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Yes, Obama is Not a Genuine American

John Sununu raised a bit of a stink yesterday with his remark that the President needs to learn to be an American:

Sununu has apologized, but I think he had it exactly right. Barack Obama is not a genuine American.

This has nothing to do with where he was born. I will reiterate again–I believe Barack Obama was born in the United States. But Barack Obama was not raised in an American culture. That is not a matter of opinion, that is a matter of fact. He was an adopted son of an Indonesian muslim and lived in Indonesia, where he was known as Barry.

He did not grow up saying the pledge of allegiance in class at the start of each school day. He was not taught American history of any type until he reached middle school in Hawaii.

Barack Hussein Obama consistently aligned himself with most radical elements in American society–Bill Ayers, an extreme leftist who admitted to participating in attacks on U.S. Government facilities, and the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, who freely damns and condemns America.

Real Americans, regardless of ethnic origin, understand that this country was created by men and women who sailed to America looking for religious freedom and economic opportunity. And yes, African slaves were brought here against their will, but the bulk of what is America was built by immigrants pursuing a dream.

Most of my ancestors showed up in the late 1600s and early 1700s. They did not have a Government Nanny waiting for them at the dock to hand out checks, housing, food and clothing. These men and women had to rely on themselves and their intellect. In the course of working to build a new society in America, they did pay taxes to create services. The fact that they paid money to build roads and infrastructure simply means that they were willing to give part of their wealth to help others. Public infrastructure does benefit everyone regardless of how much they contributed.

But just because Government builds something with your tax dollars does not mean they are doing you a great favor. You don’t have to thank the Grocer for selling you groceries after you’ve paid the money. That’s what they are supposed to do.

Barack Obama does not understand this kind of world. He is not an American at heart. He does not celebrate the pioneer spirit that led folks like Daniel Boone and his sister, my great grandmother, to move to the wilderness of Kentucky and then Missouri. They did not have a Home Depot or Loews readily at hand. No McDonald’s or Burger King. They had to grow their own food and provide for themselves.

It is one thing to acknowledge that when families and friends work together they can achieve great things. But that’s not what Barack Obama was saying. He was dismissing as foolishness the notion that anyone could build a business. He genuinely believes that anyone who succeeds in building a better mousetrap and making money by selling to the public got there because of the Government and public infrastructure.

That is un-American. That is the mentality of communists and socialists. Communists and socialists believe in the collective. The individual is irrelevant. That conflict was at the heart of our Revolution in 1776. As Thomas Jefferson penned so eloquently, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, …”

An “unalienable right” is something no man or government has a right to take away from another.

Barack Obama’s vision of America is a country that has stolen land from Indians and raped the world through Capitalism. In his simplistic, authoritarian world, just having a road in front of your house ensures your success. But any thinking, sane American knows that is pure crap. Just because there is a road and public water and sewers and lights does not ensure a business will be successful. The success of a restaurant, for example, hinges on the talent of the Chef and the service of the staff. If you serve shitty food and have a shitty attitude you will not stay in business.

It is only when you do not have a choice and the Government dictates where and what you will eat that the power of the market disappears. That is what is at the center of Obama’s un-American world view.

Yes. Obama is not a genuine American.

  • jiaolou

    tinyurl.com/cyk9xz2

  • JJ_the_PUMA

    As a wise man once said, “A political blunder is the act of accidentally speaking the truth”. What Sununu said was not a wise comment by a Romney surrogate. What Larry Johnson said is politically incorrect, but also happens to be true.

  • Popsmoke

    Holy Shit Larry… OK let me play devils advocate… Romney knows what about an American vision? Believing in Joe Smith and his hogwash? That makes him a genuine American? How about American culture? Like capitalism? That makes Romney a genuine American? Really? Then show me his tax returns.

    No Larry I do not believe Romney did anything illegal nor violated any federal laws and or regulations. But I will bet that there is enough in those returns to politically kill the campaign.

    Rove is not going off the deep end because his strategy is working. Rove is going off the deep end because Obama is using the Rove play book against ole Carl himself and its doing damage. Wait until the Chicago style campaign machine swings into gear…

    So now WE are deciding who is a true American or is not a true American? I thought that stop at Joe McCarthy? Look call it what you want, republican neoConservativism or democratic neoWilsonian. Its the same old rotten bullshit rapped in a different package.

    Now go out and vote for the devil….No matter what flag he flies…

    • scottymac54

      Outstanding.

    • Hokma

      Obama’s strategy is working? Actually it’s not. according to the latest polls after all the faux Bain attacks and the faux tax return attacks, Romney’s position has actually improved.

      The reason it has improved? NO ONE except Obama supporters care about false 20 year old out-sourcing charges or old tax returns or false accusations of Romney being a felon.

      What they care about is this ongoing bad economy which is now getting much worse and careening into a second recession.

      And it is evident to anyone except an Obama supporter that Obama is setting about these diversions because he has nothing to run on at all.

    • binky354


      Then show me his tax returns.” I’m so tired of this call to show tax returns. Romney is rich, rich, rich. Good for him. I can’t remember anyone calling for John Kennedy to produce his tax returns for umpteen years. We all know that to run for POTUS you have to be wealthy and have big money behind you. Romney’s met the letter of the law, let it go. And, I don’t care that he’s got money in off-shore banks, it would be rare to find a wealthy person who doesn’t have their money spread around the world. If I had that kind of money, I’d do it. Obama can’t run on his record and win… so divide this country, divide, divide, divide… and if he wins he can finish us off. If he loses, he’ll do his best to finish this country off in the lame-duck session. I’m tired of Obama spreading our tax dollars to create jobs all over the world; I’m angry that tax dollars went to drill off-shore in Venesuela. I’m angry that tax dollars were spent to bring our enemy to live in this country (Hamas)… and so many more anti-American efforts he’s made. Oh, yes, I’m tired of his lying stump speeches.

      • Popsmoke

        Obama is not the only one dividing this country…..

  • TeakWoodKite

    “he was known as Barry.”
    That was how he introduced himself to me in around 1981.
    I have found it surprising that BO having followed Bill Ayers from Hawaii t,California, NYC and finally to Chicago, he didn’t care to to understand anything. He was hardcore Marxist by the time he reached California. No doubt in my my mind his mentor Frank Marshall sent him on his way.
    LJ, nothing personally in anyway, but in ’08 you didn’t think the manchild was, as you described in so spot on in the post, a Socialist or Marxist or Communist. I appreciatte you giving this dangerous fool the benefit of the doubt, but there can be no question he not a speak of Red White or Blue in his veins.
    You think he is a Sulfist? I do.

  • HELENK2
  • DailyPUMA

    Obama’s father actually precludes him from being a natural born citizen, especially once he became a political figure in Kenya.

    • buzzlatte3

      Unless his real father is Frank Marshall Davis. Then he’s a citizen but his autobiographies, his foreign student status, and his fantasy about being born in “Kenya” are like everything about Obama. Lies, lies, and more lies.

      • DailyPUMA

        yes, Obama is a citizen, but Obama is NOT a natural born citizen, and that does make a difference. Not only did Obama not renounce his father’s anti american disposition, he actually embraced it by writing a book about his father while in Bali. Then it appears he soon thereafter ignored his mother after she was diagnosed with terminal cancer.

  • DailyPUMA

    I take exception to the following phrase “And yes, African slaves were brought here against their will, but the bulk of what is America was built by immigrants pursuing a dream.” Most early immigrants to the United States were some type of slave, many were prisoner’s paying off their debts as indentured servants.

    The difference was that african americans were kept as perpetual slaves from one generation to the next whereas indentured servants could actually work off their debt.

  • jrterrier

    Syria is scary out of control:

    “The king of Jordan warned Wednesday that his northern neighbor Syria was on the brink of all-out civil war and that in a worst-case scenario, chemical weapons could fall into the hands of Al-Qaeda.

    “King Abdullah II told CNN a bomb attack that killed core members of the Syrian regime was a “tremendous blow” to President Bashar al-Assad but not yet the death knell for a regime that remains determined to cling to power.

    “In other words, it’s getting very, very messy to a point where I think the worst-case scenario for all of us in the region is when you get full-out civil war. There is no coming back from the abyss,” he said.”

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/syria-brink-civil-war-jordanian-king-213636899.html

  • HELENK2

    ivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/pawlenty-on-dullness-charge-ill-show-you-my

    I have not paid a lot of attention to this man. Is he like Mitt composed but with a sense of humor

  • jrterrier

    “When President Barack Obama hauled off and slapped American small-business
    owners in the mouth the other day, I wanted to dream of my father.

    “But I didn’t have to close my eyes to see my dad. I could do it with my eyes
    open.
    . . .
    “Obama’s changed. Gone is that young knight drawing the sword from the stone,
    selling Hopium to the adoring media, preaching an end to the broken politics of
    the past. These days, he wears a new presidential persona: the multimillionaire
    with the Chicago clout, playing the class warrior, fighting for that second
    term.

    “And he offers an American dream much different from my father’s. Open your
    eyes and you can see it too. He stands there at the front of the mob, in his
    shirt sleeves, swinging that government hammer, exhorting the crowd to use its
    votes and take what it wants.”
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-kass-0718-20120718,0,2313230.column

  • jrterrier

    Look at these latest polls. I don’t see how the President wins reelection with these numbers.

    A CBS/NYTimes poll of the percentage who think the country is headed in the wrong directions:

    Right Direction 30, Wrong Track 64 (Wrong Track +34)

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

  • getfitnow

    President “I killed Osama” could not be reached for comment.
    http://politicker.com/2012/07/former-navy-seal-launches-pac-to-fight-obama/?tw_p=twt

  • jrterrier

    had to copy this from another blog because it was soooo good:
    Romney’s no “Great Communicator” but it could be worse. He could be saying things like:

    “If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

    “The private sector is doing fine.”

    “In my second term, I’ll have more flexibility, Dmitry.”

    “We’re the country that build the Intercontinental Railroad.”

    “There’s a lot of – I don’t know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing.”

    “On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes – and I see many of them in the audience here today . . .”

    As for me, I just hope Romney takes the fight to all 57 states across the country!

    • scottymac54

      “As for me, I just hope Romney takes the fight to all 57 states across the country!…”
      LOL!
      Seriously, rumor has it they are more active than expected, here in NJ. In fact, evidently Christie’s crew actually deferred and rescheduled their vaca time (usually they take a week “down the shore” with all the families, then another, with their individual families).
      Probably, another trial balloon. Still, I hold Christie in high regard. And the two camps genuinely have appreciation for each other.

  • HELENK2

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/07/18/during-senate-floor-debate-democratic-sen-frank-lautenberg-calls-for-boycott-of-koch-companies-because-he-disagrees-with-their-politics/

    Lautenberg calls for boycott of Koch co because he disagrees with their politics. Koch co has businesses in his state.

    This NEW democratic party is stuck on stupid

  • HELENK2

    WH says that in phone call today, Pres Obama & Putin agreed on
    need to support a political transition in Syria as soon as possible.

    • FLDemFem

      What you mean is.. The White House said that in a phone call today Putin told the President, “Our side won, so now we will call the shots in Syria. New government favoring Russia coming to Syria soon.” The President said, “Yes, sir.”

      • Flop_Flipper

        I find it curious that the rebels, terrorists and happy go lucky jihadists haven’t screwed with any Russian installations. I guess they aren’t completely insane.

        • HELENK2

          remember what the Russians did to the pirates they caught. put them in a boat with not compass, water or food and told them Hope you make it

    • buzzlatte3

      Don’t fall for it….all of a sudden Obama has a foreign policy? With Putin?

      • getfitnow

        Would that be a “composite” foreign policy?

    • Earl Stick

      Coming soon… “The Damascus Wall”, East Syria and West Syria.

  • jrterrier

    the problem with a down and dirty campaign is that it riles up the base on both sides. the people in the audience outside Pittsburgh listening to Romney were as fired up as I’ve seen. But you are likely to get the same response on the other side for the President.
    sometimes it’s better to let sleeping dogs lie.

  • HELENK2

    http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/pa/pa_4787.html

    world wide travel warning for US citizens from state dept

    • Flop_Flipper

      Relatively a standard warning. When I was overseas during the 9/11 attacks I was very grateful for the Embassy’s warnings. I was told to stay indoors, draw my curtains and to plan and create an escape route from my abode. They scared the living hell out of me but I’m glad they responded immediately. That said, I do think something is up.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Coopersmith wrote: “… I guess that means we’re both pathetically deluded fucking stupid assholes.”
    Quod erat demostratum.

  • buzzlatte3

    I see the demdrone comrades are back again with their twisted logic. LOL! God, I have a glimpse of what it must have been like for gunners in WWII to pick off the enemy.

    • scottymac54

      Do you remember what it was like, last time around?
      You’d write something, and snarled at, back, “RACIST blah-blah-blah…

      Sometimes with the worst spelling and grammar you could ever imagine, and that was the sum total of their argument.
      You can’t compare these commenters to them. Most are extremely thoughtful, intelligent posters who have opinions that vary somewhat to the prevailing ones here.
      They just have a different political perspective, buzz.
      With one exception, I definitely don’t think they are paid commenters or operatives, just passionate, and mostly young, I think, about the way they see things.
      It was way, way worse here, last time.

      • buzzlatte3

        The stakes are too high to give credence to their motivations. I, personally, don’t want to be a ward of the government. I like my freedom and have no use for those that want to take it away. No matter how young or how passionate or how deluded they have no idea what they are asking people to give up.

        • scottymac54

          Nonetheless, they have a right to their opinions, as well.
          I hate the tea people, but I don’t go around barking at them or cursing them out, either.
          Believe me, a lot of folks in the liberty movement have given away just as many of our freedoms as leftists and “progressives” have…there are just as many control freaks who run around spouting totally counterfeit mantras of fear, that have given away even more.
          Larry’s blog is not as controversial as it was back in 2008. Nothing will be said here that will affect the course of this contest, anymore than anyone else.

          • Flop_Flipper

            Larry’s blog is not as controversial as it was back in 2008. Nothing
            will be said here that will affect the course of this contest, anymore
            than anyone else.

            You may live to regret those statements.

            • scottymac54

              I hope not, LOL!
              (Seriously, the endless controversies and the revelations do take a toll.)

      • jrterrier

        Scotty, i don’t see that someone like “jbeck” below who has to call people names like “mittbots” is thoughtful. just becaue they parrot the party line doesn’t make them thoughtful.
        it doesn’t appear to me that they are interested in an honest discussion; they are just interested in irritating people.

        • scottymac54

          Not “all”, and definitely not “always”, LOL!
          By all means challenge them, but there is an ugly tone being used toward them, calls for them to be silenced, etc., but this go-around, it’s not warranted…it’s being used instantaneously whenever a divergent opinion is expressed, by some, and it almost totally parallels the manners the Obamabots of 2008 behaved here.
          That’s not right….I’d even go so far as to argue that Alinsky-like social control tactics and bullying are in full effect.
          A lot of these folks are legitimately questioning what is going on in a larger context. Cursing them out might be an easy way to release frustration, but it never wins elections.

          • Flop_Flipper

            Well I ain’t gonna be nice to an Obot. And I disagree, many of these Obots are Kos Kids. They spout the same nonsense, never present an argument of fact without first calling someone a name or otherwise denigrating them or this site. I will have no patience for these types. Sometimes their complete stupidity amuses me but generally it bores me. Their problem isn’t that they are ignorant of the facts. Their problem is that they are stupid.

            • shelldoll2

              I used to rarely swear but after the last few years, the obvious trouble this country is in economically, Obama attempting to “out war, out overthrow, and out CiC GWB” infuriates me.

              The same folks that hated war and invading other countries now praise Obama for doing the same. The same behavior they wanted GWB impeached for they now praise because it makes Obama look “tough”.

              It’s not just the stupidity it’s the rampant hypocrisy.

              • Justine00

                I certainly can relate to the “rarely swear” part, ShellDoll2. These days, however, it seems as if every story has reason to cuss. Gotta get a handle on it, but… .

            • scottymac54

              Maybe. But I was very pissed off when I came here. And, it turned out that I was in the middle of a fundamental shift in values, and the perspectives I learned from here helped me to develop a whole new way of seeing politics, and other Americans I’d previously scorned.
              I’ve even met commenters from here for dinner, LOL!
              That’s probably the best kind of American story, and one of the few positive things to come out of the Clinton/Barky mess, although I acknowledge, it’s not quite as warm and fuzzy nowadays.

              • Flop_Flipper

                I too have had the genuine opportunity and immense thrill to meet some of the people that have wrote and commented here and elsewhere. And yes, I too had a fundamental shift in my political views and this blog helped me get through the transition fairly well.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread860244/pg1

    getting ready for the Olympics or Syria????

  • http://twitter.com/geffbeck jbeck

    FYI. Pledge of Allegiance was authored by a socialist! FAIL as usual by MittBots

  • HELENK2

    http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2012/06/obama-green-failures-other-18-err-19.html

    list of 19 obama green failures

    this bunch would buy Pet Rocks as a long term investment

    • Madame_deFarge

      Anything to drain the treasury and line the pockets of their supporters.

  • http://twitter.com/geffbeck jbeck

    “America is a country that has stolen land from Indian”100% right. Everything else you write is nonsense. As usual! Not surprising for a Rush worshipping Puma Mittbot. If anything America shows us the power of accountable government. Take aerospace. Not only in the US but around the world, this industry owes its very existence to the government.
    I’m glad the Obama campaign is cleaning your clock. And nicely. BTW the latest prancing horse ad showing Fraudney’s dressage pony is a beaut! Guys, learn it now. Yesterday Obama was in San Antonio, TEXAS. It was such an overwhelming reception that now Fraudney’s flunkies are having to dump money in TEXAS! The way things are going it looks like tax crook Mitt is going to get wiped out in all 50 states. It’s going to be fun seeing Mitt get beat in Mass, Ca and Mich – his three states! I love the desperate frustration you guys sport. The 2008 Puma convention was a laugh riot. This year’s Romney’s crashing and burning campaign will be even more fun to watch!

    • Flop_Flipper

      Take aerospace. Not only in the US but around the world, this industry owes its very existence to the government.

      So in your insane, completely fucked up, delusional opinion, the Wright Brothers had nothing to do with it?

      • shelldoll2

        The Wright Brothers received welfare, food stamps, and government subsidy checks.

        That is why they had the time to invent a flying machine.

        Thus ends our tale.

        THE END

        • Flop_Flipper

          Thanks for clearing that up.

          • shelldoll2

            LMAO!

        • scottymac54

          Don’t forget the Section 8 airfield, LOL!

          • shelldoll2

            Thank you for the reminder! (Slaps forehead)

  • foxyladi14

    Thanks for this fine post Larry

  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2

    Mitt now has Navy Seals on his side

    http://politicker.com/2012/07/former-navy-seal-launches-pac-to-fight-obama/
    former Navy Seal launches pac to fight obama

    • HELENK2

      mitt gets the Navy Seals

      backtrack gets Jerry Springer

      sounds about right to me

      http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/2012/07/jerry-springer-gushes-about-obama-129228.html

    • Flop_Flipper

      Yep. The oath does say to defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.

      • scottymac54

        Careful, though! Our police forces are increasingly militarized, and a similar argument was used in defense of NDAA.

        • Flop_Flipper

          A military occupation by the federal government would spark a civil war. That ain’t gonna happen.

          • scottymac54

            Why? At this point, they have the upper hand, and they know it.
            I used to believe that the people would rise up, but no more. How could things have gotten so out of hand, if they would have?
            The very ones who you’d think would rise up would only be pacified back into accepting total submission, in the event of a Romney win (I submit the transition of Clinton to Bush, against the backdrop of Florida, as evidence of this).

  • elizabethrc

    Either Michelle was also brainwashed or she just flat out hates America (white America, that is). She’s on tape speaking sotto voce to her husband at a ceremony honoring America. She can be seen mouthing the words, “All this for a damn flag!”.
    She has no more idea of what America is than he does.

    • buzzlatte3

      She hates whites. She hates America. Her very sneer reveals her true feelings. She lost her license to practice law four years after she was given it. I have no proof that she earned it. We have no proof that her husband did either.

      This election is like a job interview. Are you going to hire the one with no credentials and doesn’t pass e-verify or the one with impeccable credentials and a long history of positive accomplishment?

      • scottymac54

        The anti-white aspect, I totally agree with.
        But why are so many, afraid to come out and call it for what it is?
        She’s a political wife, fair game. And it’s not as though there’s any shortage of documented instances, that at least are questionable, as far as her attitudes.

        • Flop_Flipper

          I may (and do) occasionally say some things about her but generally it is in jest. I do not think a candidate’s wife is necessarily fair game. She isn’t running for office, her husband is. It’s fine to attack what she says but unless she directly attacks someone, I don’t support responding in kind.

          • scottymac54

            Nonetheless, she’s a potent political target, who will never be “rehabilitated” in the eyes of the public.
            Hardcore Obama supporters see her as some sort of “Oprah” image.
            Her problem is, she represents more of a Joanne Chesimard type to just about every other constituency. Whole websites dedicated to channeling this angst have offered a socially acceptable escape valve for years now, under the guise of satire.
            That’s a genie that can’t be put back into the bottle, even with the best of intentions.

          • Madame_deFarge

            The Mooch put her nose into the administration as more than a political wife. Initially, she took a lot of food stamp money to fund her “Let’s Move” and then there’s her role in turning us into a socialist society by dictating our food; changing the food pyramid, etc. She’s expert in what? Nothing, yet she’s been given a lot of power. No she’s not just a political wife.

      • Flop_Flipper

        I don’t know that she hates whites but I’d bet she gets her rocks off when white people have to serve a black man or woman. Wouldn’t doubt she gets Barack to fuck with people just so she can get her jollies.

        • scottymac54

          Was told that was exactly Condoleeza’s trip, after I floated the idea of her as veep to an acquaintance.

          • Flop_Flipper

            Wow, I had not heard that.

            • scottymac54

              I do remember her being a huge shoe shopper back in the day (my office was across the street from one of her favorite stores)….
              I think we’ve all met the type, the ones that make sales help and wait staff scatter, when they appear at the door.
              Arrogant, condescending.

    • Flop_Flipper

      Please provide a link for this. I remember, 4+ years ago reading her thesis. Before it was disappeared that is. I seem to recall that her thesis was how white people were racists or something like that. Perhaps someone has a more reliable memory. Bronwyn?

      • BronwynsHarbor
        • Flop_Flipper

          Thank you kindly.

      • elizabethrc

        I think I saw it on Breitbart, but I’ll see if I can find it. I’m really not very good at ferreting up old stuff. —– Original Message —–
        From: Disqus
        To: riellyrltr@earthlink.net
        Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:23 PM
        Subject: [noquarter] Re: Yes, Obama is Not a Genuine American

        Flop_Flipper wrote , in response to elizabethrc:

        Please provide a link for this. I remember, 4+ years ago reading her thesis. Before it was disappeared that is. I seem to recall that her thesis was how white people were racists or something like that. Perhaps someone has a more reliable memory. Bronwyn?
        Link to comment

  • Flop_Flipper

    I still don’t understand why Sununu apologized. He was right, as you point out. His apology seemed like weakness and a mistake. I just thought it was the truth.

    • binky354

      I was disappointed he felt it necessary to apologize. What’s wrong with Republicans? You don’t hear Dems apologizing for anything they say. BO sure doesn’t feel he needs to apologize for anything, even his bald-face lies.

      • shelldoll2

        Thank you.

      • scottymac54

        I doubt it was his own idea to do it.
        The GOP most likely DIRECTED him to apologize, but that most likely had been written into the game plan well in advance, so I wouldn’t feel so disheartened about it….it’s just political strategy.

        • Flop_Flipper

          More likely the Romney campaign asked him to do it.

          • scottymac54

            You’re probably right, but remember that Romney stands foursquare in the middle of the GOP’s establishment wing.
            Gingrich, in contrast, would literally have used such a small matter to divide and extract any concession he could, just to snap his fingers in the face of the establishment (which made him such a catastrophe as a leadership figure, and caught up with him).

      • Madame_deFarge

        I like Tallulah Bankhead’s motto: “Never look back. Never explain. Never apologize.”

    • jrterrier

      i don’t see anything wrong with the apology and i love sununu. i think the statement that he needs to learn how to be an American was too much and sounded like a personal attack, an ad hominem attack that i usually rail against.

      sununu’s statement the day before was much better and right on point:

      “[President Obama] has no idea how the American system functions, and we shouldn’t be surprised about that, because he spent his early years in Hawaii smoking something, spent the next set of years in Indonesia, and when he came to the U.S. worked as a community organizer — which is a socialized structure — and then got into politics in Chicago. There has been no experience in his life in which he’s earned a private-sector paycheck that meant anything.”

      this really is a much better complaint about the President and explains why. just saying he needs to learn how to be an American is false — there are lots of Americans who think like the President.

    • BronwynsHarbor

      Amen to that, FF.

  • Garookie

    I posted the following a couple of years ago. It might be timely to remind those that think socialism works.
    “In evaluating the socialistic Welfare State, it might be timely to reflect on a few basic economic truths, which have been proved MANY times in the course of history.
    1. Government cannot give to the people what they first do not take away.
    2. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
    3. You cannot legislate the poor (and lazy) into economic freedom by legislating the wealthy (industrious) out of it.
    4. That which one man receives without working for, another man works for without receiving.
    5. Nothing can kill the initiative of people more quickly than for half of them to get the idea that they need not work because the other half will feed them, and the other half get the idea that it does no good to work since someone else receives the rewards of their labors.

    • Flop_Flipper

      Well said. Thanks.

  • HELENK2

    breaking news

    Fox is reporting that Syria will fall within 36 hours.

    • shelldoll2

      Fall from what and to whom? Did they say?

      • HELENK2

        Assad government falling. Attacks on government buildings

        • scottymac54

          OMG…..

          • shelldoll2

            Amen. This is a disaster.

            • scottymac54
              • Flop_Flipper

                I’m not sure what to make of all this. I’m more concerned with what Assad might do if he really thinks he will fall. I do expect there will be retaliation for the bombing. And I don’t expect it will be just a show of force.

                And just to make things more interesting, Netanyahu said Iran was responsible for the bus bombing of Israeli youth in Bulgaria and has promised definitive response. Consider that his coalition has dissipated. Is it possible this will lead to the attack on Iran we have speculated upon?

                • scottymac54

                  Not necessarily. Netanyahu was GOING to say that, regardless of what they really know, because it all has to be a lead-up to Iran, whether they do something tomorrow, or six months from now.
                  In Syria’s case, I’m pro-Assad and therefore biased, but I’m way more concerned about how unhinged things can get, AFTER he is deposed….Russia’s position is that this is totally on us, and that leaves room for all manner of bad actors to exploit the situation, which could have lasting and unnecessary ramifications for the wider region, particularly Lebanon.

                  • Hokma

                    “Not necessarily. Netanyahu was GOING to say that, regardless of what they really know,”
                    Really? Ever think that they might have evidence of who was responsible?
                    Not surprising a comment like this coming from a lowlife like you. There were kids – teenagers – on that bus. Of course they were Jewish kids.
                    And yes, there will be retaliation.

                    • Flop_Flipper

                      I expect it will be swift retaliation given his political position. I’m sensing before the end of this month. I wouldn’t mind being wrong.

                  • Flop_Flipper

                    I am by no means pro-Assad. I am pro-common sense. The rebellion in Syria is being fueled from the outside for numerous and conflicting reasons.

                • HELENK2

                  see my post up thread about unusual troop movements in England and Canada.
                  do not know if it is for the Olympics or Syria

                • jrterrier

                  there were reports yesterday that Assad was moving their chemical and other weapons of mass destruction. it wasn’t clear whether he was moving them to keep them from being taken by the rebels or to use them.

                  this would be a blow to Iran and the Russians, no? will they intervene?.

                  The Middle East is a powder keg. there was the bombing of that tourist bus in Bulgaria with Israeli students that Netnahyu is blaming on Iran and saying he will retaliate.

                  It reminds me of the days before 9/11. I sure hope the London Olympics go off without a terrorist attack.

  • shelldoll2

    Heck he’s not even a genuine Black American. Dear old dad’s family has a history of slave trading. Mom’s family has a history of slave ownership.

    Obama still tries to pretend he was born a poor black child in the inner city who dodged gangs and drugs and clawed his way to the top. Now the drugs part applies although he indulged in them rather than dodged them.

    But his grandparents provided him with money, advantages, and an education many inner kids can only dream of. Maybe that’s what he meant by his book title Dreams From My Father.

    • scottymac54

      Barky has this weird habit that I have to admit, irritates me.
      The other day, he was speechifying away, in Roanoke, and I couldn’t help but notice he’d copped a Southern accent again (it’s like Dorchester, MA, mixed with Wilson, NC, with a touch of Baltimore thrown in, but it was noticeable).
      Now he’s not the first pol to do this….even Hillary got snagged doing it, at least once.
      But who is this clown, who allegedly hails from Hawaii, had an utterly non-AA experience growing up, and sets great store for himself over others for his sophisticated “multicultural” outlook, think he’s kidding?
      It’s baffling. And, of all places, Roanoke.
      It’s not pretentious, it’s pretendy-ish. Why, if you are a sitting president?

      • shelldoll2

        I agree. Also, what’s with the fake sing-song preacher cadence in front of black audiences?

        Is there anything genuine about this man at all? No wonder so many doubt parts of his personal history.

        • buzzlatte3

          Fox news spoke to this annoying ploy of his, too. Seems a lot of people just take it as more fakery from the KIng of Fake.

          • scottymac54

            They did? Oh, very cool, LOL!
            I always have the feeling I’m being hypersensitive to these things…..my reaction is always, “Why is he doing THAT?”, and there’s rarely a good answer.

      • Retired_from_SPOnaj

        As Harry Reid so accurately observed, Obama speaks with “…no Negro dialect unless he wanted to have one.” In other words, he fakes a “Negro dialect” for the black folks. That’s how much he respects blacks.

  • PatW

    The corollary to not being responsible for one’s own success is that failure then also cannot be one’s own responsibility, which clearly falls into the realm of socialist dogma. It completely removes the effects of personal initiative, and the lack thereof, from the social fabric resulting in the importance of competition between individuals being minimized until there are no winners or losers.

    • win43

      That’s a nice summary of socialist dogma, I guess. Not sure what it has to do with Obama, given that he acknowledged the role of personal initiative in the same speech:

      The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.

      • Flop_Flipper

        A President that has made the art of dividing our country into an Olympic sport has no right to lecture us that we should be working together.

        • buzzlatte3

          Fully agree. Obama is a fake, a hologram to me until he fully reveals who he is – yep that’s right, the records. He has no validity.

      • buzzlatte3

        LOL! Ok, I see Kindergarten stuck with you.

  • antielitist

    The POS is so ignorant it really is breathtaking. Everyone’s taxes at the village, town, city, county, state and federal level pay for infrastructure including roads, bridges, schools, firehouses, government buildings, etc.

    (Except, of course, for the almost 50% of the population who currently pay no federal taxes.)

    So there was no reason to make that statement except to vilify business people and gin up the class envy card.

    It is sickening.
    I hope MR tears him a new one.

    And I agree the POS does not have an American background. He is and always will be an outsider trying to impose his nauseating, pompous, arrogant and dangerous vision on this country.

    I can’t wait to see him voted out.

  • HELENK2
    • Flop_Flipper

      That will be a very short speech.

  • samb1
  • vinnie winkel

    Don’t forget, in the same speech he said this
    I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

    What was his point with this statement other than to say, again, you didn’t get there by smarts, hardwork, or gumption…we gave you roads, bridges and internet to make it happen. Susunu need not apologize, I along with my colleagues, had the same thought about Barack. He’s un-American in the way he views this country.

    • HoosierinDixie

      I agree alot of Americans are thinking the same thing. Many don’t verbalize because they are too afraid to be called racist. It is similar to when Newt surged in South Carolina because he took on the press. Even if you weren’t a Newt fan you had to admire him sticking to Obama’s lapdogs.

  • HELENK2

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/07/18/flashback-obama-in-1999-i-do-not-support-the-clinton-welfare-reform/

    in 1999 backtrack said ” I do not support the Clinton welfare reform”

    That reform got many out of poverty

    • FLDemFem

      That is really funny, it really is. Obama took credit for the welfare reform himself when he was in the Illinois Legislature. One of the bills he claimed as his was connected to the welfare reform that Clinton did and Obama claimed all the credit for the reform in Illinois. Never mentioned Clinton being the actual reformer. It was one of the first blatant lies he told. He campaigned for the Senate in 2004 using that claim of welfare reform as part of his “credentials”.

  • HELENK2

    John Sununu is my hero

  • Hokma

    A Rasmussen Poll of likely voters states that 57% believe that Venture Capital firms are better at creating jobs while only 27% believe Government is better at it.
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/jobs_employment/july_2012/57_say_venture_capital_firms_better_job_creators_than_government_programs

    This pretty much nukes Obama’s core economic beliefs and reaffirms that Americans are not stupid and know what economic freedom is.

  • DianaLC

    It has been clear since the primary that BHO does not believe in what we were taught as American values. He’s been working toward the democratic socialist ideas from Europe since the very beginning. And you’re absolutely right about his close associations–mostly anti-American spouters of crap who have lived for a long time, as he has, on the kindness of Americans without contributing to other Americans’ welfare really. He has no idea of what is is to be working class Americans, yet he wants to lead working class Americans.
    It reminds me all the time of my reading of Marx: he views himself as the vanguard and part of the intelligentsia. And we all know from history that those people have little respect for “the working class.” He has no sense of any belief–though he pretends that he had a “come to Jesus” experience with Wright–other than in the materialistic philosophy of Marx. You can tell it in how he runs his campaign, which he has been running since he was selected as POTUS. He appeals only to the materialistic goals of the people he takes for granted in what he believes is his base. He does not respect their intelligence, just plays on their greed.

  • win43

    I think this sentiment is 100% “American”:

    The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.

    Nothing un-American about that. This nation’s success is built on a joint foundation of individual initiative and cooperation. Both parts matter.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      But that’s not what he said.

      http://freebeacon.com/obama-if-you-have-a-business-you-didnt-build-that/

      HE SAID, “IF YOU HAVE A BUSINESS, YOU DID NOT BUILD THAT.”

      He was talking very specifically from the point of view that Government is the daddy enabling its poor citizens to do anything. The Government comes from the people and from their money. Not the other way around.

      • win43

        But that IS what he said. You yourself put up the full quote in your other post on this:

        If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
        The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

        Look, I enjoy fun with selective quotation as much as anybody. But you’re being willfully obtuse with this one. Read in context, this passage is crystal clear: it’s great that people start businesses, but those businesses could not exist without public infrastructure (what “you didn’t build” is the roads and bridges — obviously you built the business).

        This isn’t a controversial position, either. It’s just the basic social contract. It’s about as American as it gets.

        • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

          Bullshit. Nobody else but me made my fucking business happen. You are the obtuse asshole. He was not talking about just public goods. He genuinely believes that someone who has built a successful business owes that success to someone else.

          That is the fucking stupidity of someone who, like Barack Obama, has always sucked off of the public tit. You probably do the same. Go work in the private sector and find out how most Americans actually live.

          • win43

            And now you’ve gone ad hominem, because you can’t make a reasoned argument for your conclusion on the basis of the text. Predictable. FYI I do work in the private sector — top tax bracket, even, so don’t bother making me out to be a leech.

            As for your business… how much of it is conducted over the internet? Did you invent the internet, Larry?

            Did you attend public school as a child?

            If somebody breaks into your offices, can you call the police or must you hire a private detective?

            If there is a fire in your offices, does the fire department come or do you and your partners form a bucket brigade?

            You deserve kudos, and financial rewards, for your initiative and success. But you also owe it to society to pay your fair share back into the pot, to keep paying for the services that have put you in the position to make the most of your individual skills.

            Again, not controversial. This is John Locke stuff.

            • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

              Fuck you. I pay more than my fair share. 50% of Americans do not pay. That’s not fair. You keep referencing public services that my family paid for. We paid taxes. There was a time when middle class people paid taxes.

              You are such a fool. My parents’ taxes paid for my public education. Just because the school did what it was paid to do from taxpayer dollars does not mean the Government did something incredibly noble or brave. They did their fucking job and got paid for it. They did it off of the backs of the private sector.

              • win43

                I don’t think I, or Obama, said anything about the gov’t being “noble or brave.”

                The argument is just that the government has to exist, and is important, and must be funded. Because we all use public services, and public services make our quality of life possible — even rich guys like you and me.

                But look, if you’re going to take refuge in that 50% lie* and similar things, then there’s not much point. Enjoy setting up a Marxist straw man and knocking it down. The real world is proceeding pretty well without you already.

                *Debunked here: http://www.politicususa.com/half-americans-taxes.html — for the year you’re (I assume) citing, only 14% of Americans actually paid no federal income or payroll taxes. And that number was artificially inflated by the temporary Make Work Pay tax credit, and by the fact that in 2009 we were in the depths of a horrible recession.

              • scottymac54

                The problem with the taxpayer argument used against government is, once you process your tax return, sign it, and sign that check, it ceases being your taxpayer dollar and the government has full jurisdiction over how it’s spent. The way they system is structured, our recourse is either to vote the bums out at the next election, or petition those individual agencies that draw upon those funds.
                But you can’t surrender ownership of that money on April 15 and still claim control over how it’s spent.
                That’s why true tax reform has always remained elusive, as long as the IRS, withholding, etc. has continued to be part of our daily lives.

                • Flop_Flipper

                  It’s not a matter of controlling the ownership of taxes. It is a matter of demanding accountability from the government’s control over how it is spent. The government is supposed to serve us, not the other way around. All citizens have the right to question their government and to hold them accountable. Some would say we have the duty to do so.

                  • scottymac54

                    We do, and the way we’ve traditionally exerted our influence, was at the ballot box (although, you could make a serious argument that this isn’t working out too effectively for “We, The People”, LOL!
                    If anything, I was trying to illustrate how little real power we now exert over our own taxation….because of this, you won’t hear me boo-hooing or ridiculing anyone’s position on either side, as long as they are open to suggestions for ways to do this that doesn’t leave everyone feeling screwed over.

                  • scottymac54

                    Agree.

            • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

              No, I’ve gone ad hominem because your stupidity is so profound. I have zero patience or tolerance for complete fucking morons like you.

              • win43

                For a guy with no patience, you sure are responding a lot.

          • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.c.coopersmith Caroline Cramer Coopersmith

            Wow Larry. So Obama isn’t a real American by your definition. Does that mean that the 69,456,897 Americans who voted for him aren’t really American either? Does that mean that I, who worked at a bank to support myself through college, am not a real American? Or my husband, who earned a physics and engineering degree on an ROTC scholarship and served honorably as an officer the Army, isn’t a real American either? Aside from his scholarship, which he repaid by his service to our country, we haven’t received a penny in government assistance, ever. Oh well, I guess that means we’re both pathetically deluded fucking stupid assholes. Just like many my relatives and friends who support the President and happen to be engineers, nurses, doctors (yes, there *are* actually doctors like the ACA), plumbers, and general contractors. You know, ungrateful lazy people who do nothing all day but suck off the government tit. *LOL*

            • shelldoll2

              He is not talking about his positions, his supporters, or anything such as that.

              What Mr. Johnson is talking about is the attitude and hyprocrisy Obama displays.

              After all, after his talk about soaking the rich he’d hold a $30, 000, $35,000 or $50,000 dollars per plate dinners. Who do you think is paying those prices? The poor?
              You are deliberately misreading what Mr. Johnson said. There are those who work and scrape and save (people employed by those filthy capitalists) and then open their own businesses and hire others.

              We The People are the government. The way Obama phrased it one gets the distinct impression the government is the be all and end all and the individual is nothing.

              The government works for us not the other way around. The government GIVES US NOTHING. Those that work earn it.

            • Hokma

              If you believe in socialism as Obama does, then you do not believe in American values.

              If you do not know that Obama is a socialist at this point then the issue is not whether you are or are not an American – you’re just an idiot.

              As far as doctors that believe in Obamacare I know there are some but very small percentage of physicians in this country. I have a number of relatives who are doctors including a son – some are liberals and some are conservatives and some moderate – but NONE are in favor of Obamacare.

              • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.c.coopersmith Caroline Cramer Coopersmith

                Hokma, if Obama is a socialist, then why are corporate profits up by 68% since he took office according to Investor’s Business Daily?
                Socialism means government takeover of all private enterprise and planning of the economy. Yes, the ACA did stipulate that insurance companies not deny coverage to those with pre-existing conditions, but they are still owned by private stockholders and the government doesn’t command how day to day operations of the companies should be run. If anything, requiring all Americans to buy health insurance should increase their profits. Yes, GM was bailed out, but Obama isn’t on the phone everyday with the CEO telling him how to build his cars, who to hire, fire, how to set their prices, ect. As far as I know, the same goes for Walmart, Home Depot, Apple , Microsoft, and pretty much all other large corporations in this country. Oh but that’s right, I’m an idiot, or otherwise I’d know Obama hasn’t done that yet because that’s all part of his evil secret agenda that will be implemented in his second term-whatever.
                And if wanting to raise taxes makes Obama a socialist, then I guess that makes Ronald Reagan a socialist, too-he partially rolled back his 1981 income tax cut in 1982, raised payroll taxes (to save Social Security), energy taxes, and capital gains taxes in 1986-many of which affected the middle class as well as the wealthy.

                • Hokma

                  Obama had zero to do with any increase in corporate profits. and much of those profits are a result of becoming “more productive” – cutting expenses including employees and their benefits.
                  The diversion Obots have with Obamacare are always raising the two relatively insignificant benefits of no pre-existing conditions and allowing young people to be covered by their parent until 26. The fundamental problem is that most companies will drop their employee health insurance because it will be cheaper for them to pay the fine than pay for health insurance. That will force hoards of employees onto government insurance and result in forcing private insurance companies out of business. In the end the intent of Obamacare was to have Canada style national healthcare.
                  As far as GM Obama made them fire their CEO and hire his selection – he abused the TARP allocated for GM and made sure it was sued for the UAW almost exclusively. GM still went through bankruptcy. And GM is still a failure. In trying to make the June numbers lok good, Obama had the federal government buy new cars for their fleets exclusively from GM.
                  Obama has effectively made every effort to bring the federal government in control of the financial industry, the energy industry, the auto industry, the healthcare industry, and the housing industry. In a second term he will complete the job. This guy is NOT Bill Clinton.

                  • http://www.facebook.com/caroline.c.coopersmith Caroline Cramer Coopersmith

                    You mean Obama is NOT like Bill Clinton-who raised the marginal tax rate from 36 to 39 percent? And Obama is not like Bill Clinton who devised a universal health care plan with Hilary, that would have forced employers to buy insurance for their employees from heavily regulated exchanges?

                • FLDemFem

                  Corporate profits may be up, but the average American has lost 48% of their wealth. Please explain how that is good for the country.

          • foxyladi14

            Nobody else but me made my fucking business happen EXACTLY Larry.

        • Hokma

          Obama got it exactly wrong.

          “Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. ”

          People are not successful in creating and running businesses because of things government do like building roads and bridges.

          Government is able to build roads and bridges because successful Americans pay taxes to the government which allows them to build them.

          • win43

            That’s just a chicken-and-egg argument. If you disagree, I’d like to see you start a successful business that is not connected either to public roads or to the internet.

            • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

              You are a complete idiot. Unless you are someone who does not pay taxes, a taxpayer is getting no special deal by driving on roads that they fucking pay for. Let’s ensure that everyone who uses a road pays for it. That’s fair. If everyone benefits then everyone pays.

              • win43

                So you are proposing we privatize the highway system, basically?

                I anxiously await that policy plank in the GOP platform.

                • Hokma

                  Now that you bring it up, any idea just how many bridges in this country need repair badly and govenment keeps kicking the can down the road because there is no money?
                  Why not privatize bridges and roads. Maybe then sufficient money can be invested to maintain them.
                  The government can’t be successful with Amtrak, let alone roads and bridges.

                  • win43

                    Hey, Daley did it with the Skyway in Chicago. And it’s been enormously unpopular. But if the GOP would like to give it a go nationally, I’d love to see it.

                    I will say that political disasterpieces aside, some transit privatization is not necessarily a bad thing; it depends on execution more than anything else. Too often local governments use privatization as a short-term money grab without getting enough of the long-term value of the asset, and I doubt the feds would do any differently.

                    • Hokma

                      Chicago has much bigger issues to deal with today than a highway – like the fact that it is the most lawless major city in the country.
                      Besides, the Chicago Skyway is turning a profit and there are others that do work.

                    • scottymac54

                      The problem with privatizing roads and bridges is that venture capitalists from other nations will inevitably come in and buy everything up.
                      That prompts a national security risk we cannot indemnify ourselves against.

                    • HoosierinDixie

                      The deal was made by Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels. It was unpopular because of the rates but it created a surplus for the state and created alot of longterm construction jobs. Did I mention they were high paying union jobs? Sure no one want’s to pay the increased toll and the years of constant construction was a bitch. But now that it has reached completion, you would be hard pressed to find someone to complain how nice and maintained the road is now. And if they do choose to complain, they can take the southshore train which by the way raised their rates. Or they can take drive 80/94 for free but don’t count on a smooth ride or reaching your destination at the expected time.

                  • Flop_Flipper

                    If they were privatized and fell into disrepair to cause accidents the owner could be sued. By all kinds of citizens. It would certainly incentivize maintaining safe passages. Not necessarily promoting the idea. More like examining it.

              • Flop_Flipper

                You had me at You are a complete idiot.

            • Hokma

              No it’s not. It is fundamental economics.
              Successful people pay the taxes that go to build roads. No money – no roads.
              Of course in Obamaworld he goes to his comrades in China to borrow money to pay for roads or healthcare or whatever he wants to spend on.
              And, yes, I did start a successful business and do run it and have helped others start their businesses.
              The taxes I pay will hopefully build new infrastructure. But today’s roads and government projects played no role in my success. I never took an SBA loan or used any government paid programs. My education was paid by tax dollars my parents paid and in business I actually had no mentor – all self-learning.
              Obama’s statements was demeaning to all the Americans who have taken risks in their lives to create a business. This could only come from an inexperienced socialist ideologue who never had a private sector job and never ran anything.

        • Flop_Flipper

          Yeah, Obama the Divider says we should unite. I suppose you speak Obot.

    • Hokma

      I hate to tell you but your guy just finished his chance of winning this election.

      Obama drew a line in the sand. This election is now about free enterprise and economic freedom versus Obama’s socialist government controlled economy.He can’t walk it back and I don’t think he wants to.

      One thing Larry left out in his Obama bio was that he was mentored as a socialist and by socialists from early childhood. By the time he became an adult his alignment with radical leftists because that was all he knew and relfected his core beliefs.

      It is indisputable that this country was founded on economic freedom and all of the founding fathers made every effort to limit government power in economic matters other than interstate commerce disputes.

      When it comes to the debates, Obama will be unable to control his inner-socialism core beliefs and will lose decisively.

      This time Obama will not be able to get away with his Joe-the-Plumber moments.

      • win43

        The problem with what you’re saying — that Obama has made this election a referendum on economic freedom vs. socialism, and thus he’ll lose the election — is that outside of a small corner of the political right, nobody agrees with you that Obama has done this.

        That’s because outside of a small corner of the political right, nobody is taking innocuous statements like this one and interpreting them as the new Communist Manifesto. I.e., you guys are kinda nuts, and you’re on your own.

        By the way… you’re aware that the tax burden under Obama is lower than it was under Reagan… right? http://www.rgj.com/article/20110421/NEWS20/110421053/Fact-checker-taxes-lower-under-Obama-than-under-Reagan-Clinton-

        • Hokma

          Hey Commie – Any idea just how many business people Obama pissed off the other day? Any idea just how many swing voters who are rising high earners he pissed off? Any idea what the hell you are talking about?

          Obama is a socialist. Big friggin surprise. Doesn’t make him a bad guy – just does not make him fit in with a huge majority of this country who are not in favor of socialism.

          As far as that Reno article – other than fun with numbers, what Obama is seeking to accomplish is to TAKE from the rich and “spread the wealth.” That is a socialist.

          • win43

            Hey, if you’re right then it’ll show up in polling within, say, a couple weeks. And I’ll put $100 against your $10 that it doesn’t. But we’ll see!

            And “fun with numbers?” Heh… numbers ARE a lot of fun when they prove that you’re right and your opponents are blowing smoke, that’s for sure.

            • Hokma

              It was already showing up in polls even before this socialist soliloquy. States like Michigan and Minnesota went from leaning Obama to open and undecided. Save your money.

              • http://twitter.com/geffbeck jbeck

                Obama is now within a shout of Fraudney in TEXAS! That should tell you that the Mitt2012 campaign is now a lame horse!

                • scottymac54

                  Beck? It’s JULY……

            • buzzlatte3

              They must have imported your brand of rotgut vodka for you to poke your red nose around here. How’s the politburo these days? Not that we care.

        • scottymac54

          LOL!

        • Flop_Flipper

          You know, I was going to welcome you back. Say hi and all. Haven’t seen you here lately and never had any real issues with you before. But you saying that we are nuts is, well, not exactly the kind of thing to say when someone was going to be nice.

          Obama said very clearly that if someone created a business they did not build it. Someone else did. How would an asshole like Obama know to begin with? And how dare he presume that the credit for personal initiative to create and prosper can somehow be shared with someone else that didn’t have the slightest thing to do with the success (or failure) of that personal initiative in the first place.

          We pay TAXES to support the construction of roads and the employment of teachers and first responders. It ain’t like our wonderful government is providing these services to us out of the generosity of it’s heart, much less it’s respect for our Constitution. Obama seems to think that we should be thankful to our government for doing such a lousy job of providing services we pay for.

          I say he ‘s fired. Out of here. Adios muchachos. Sayonara, ya’ll. Get along little doggies. And since Obama won’t be completely on the government tit any longer those dogs better heed the call.

        • Lemuel Vargas

          Or maybe Obama is just so inept that he will promise the moon to all of us we the people and in the end will kowtow to the companies that has given him a lot during the election and will be doing that again in this electio
          In other words, the “ill scratch your back if you scratch mine” approach of doing things.

        • Popsmoke

          Its fascism….Not socialism….

    • Garookie

      Doing things together means ALL classes of people work towards a common goal, not just some of us and the others sit on their asses and expect to be kept. That element of our society is growing and it consumes maybe 65% of our economy.

      • http://twitter.com/geffbeck jbeck

        The share of income and taxes paid by easy slice of the society – bottom 20% all the way to top 1% – is not disproportionate at all. While federal taxes are progressive (not all though) state and local taxes are regressive. Big fail as usual by MittBots. What’s new?

        • Hokma

          Hey Jerkie –
          What??? Do you have a high school diploma? Ever passed an English course?

          • HoosierinDixie

            I am sure it is sealed in the vault along with Obama’s records. Guess we just have to take his word for it. Can’t you tell by his post that he is a real rocket scientist?

    • scottymac54

      I don’t see it being so much about “American vs. anti-American” (maybe a Constitutional argument could be made?)
      I see it as, today’s version of conservatism is just not compatible with contemporary liberalism, and taxation is a hot-button issue.
      But it’s still an in-house debate, as opposed to foreign policy or something similar, where externals are involved.
      Dividing as citizens over it is strictly voluntary, a way we undermine ourselves as a nation, to our collective detriment, by our own choice.

      • win43

        Today’s version of conservatism is not even compatible with Ronald Reagan’s version of conservatism.

        • scottymac54

          VERY true! I would even go so far to say, neoconservatism has little resemblance to conservatism anyway.
          Nonetheless, they are here, they live and breathe, we have to deal with them.