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Stubborn white voters * hk2′s open thread

Obama needs Colorado more than in ’08. But what a difference a failed presidency makes. Even the Old Gray Lady and the geriatric stiffs at CBS (Bob Shieffer) must admit that Romney leads Obama 50% to 45% in Colorado. That’s because …

HA! Those geezers commissioned the poll from Quinniapac. Yup. That poll is officially named the “Quinnipiac University/New York Times/CBS News Swing State Poll.”

It’s so sweet. Kinda like prunes.

But, quick, before Shieffer gets the trots and the Ol’ Gray Lady buries the headline — oops, she already did! (see image below, right) — let me share with you the complete poll results for three swing states:

Matching Obama against Romney in each of these key states shows:

  • Colorado: Romney at 50 percent to Obama’s 45 percent;
  • Virginia: Obama at 49 percent to Romney’s 45 percent;
  • Wisconsin: Obama edges Romney 51 – 45 percent.

YOUR MISSION is to find the headline pertaining to the Quinniapac poll commissioned by The New York Times and CBS News.

So, what’s up with these states? Well, the gray lady has the answer. IT’S YOU WHITE PEOPLE’S FAULT! AND YOU WHITE WOMEN’S FAULT!!! From the top of the NYTimes story:

For all of the Democratic attacks painting Mitt Romney as an out-of-touch elitist who will help the rich at the expense of the middle class, he is maintaining the traditional — and sizable — Republican advantage among a politically vital constituency, white working-class voters in the states most likely to decide the presidential election.

And despite Republican efforts to use the weak economy to drive a wedge between President Obama and women on Election Day, the president is holding on to their crucial support in most battleground states.

Those findings, contained in the latest batch of Quinnipiac University/New York Times/CBS News swing state polls, highlight the stubborn divisions of this year’s presidential race among two of the most important voting groups in the most hotly contested states.

But they also help explain the intense efforts of the two campaigns to alter the balance in both groups, which together will go a long way toward determining the outcome.

Mr. Obama’s goal is to keep Mr. Romney from running up huge margins among white working-class voters — defined as those without college degrees and with household incomes of $30,000 to $100,000 [AKA DUMB REDNECKS] — who could give him the edge. …

But, hey. Quinniapac has a more balanced view of these voters:

“Voters in Virginia and Wisconsin see the two candidates as roughly even on the question of who can best fix the economy, but Romney is ahead 10 points in Colorado. There is a difference in how voters think the election returns will affect their wallets. In Colorado and Wisconsin, more voters think Gov. Mitt Romney’s policies rather than President Barack Obama’s policies will help them personally. At the same time, more voters in each state think Obama’s policies will hurt them more than Romney’s policies.

I encourage you to scan all of the Quinniapac analyses here: “August 8, 2012 – Wisconsin, Virginia, Colorado White House Races Close, Quinnipiac University/New York Times/CBS News Swing State Poll Finds.”

The New York Times thinks that these voters are stubborn. But what’s really stubborn are the facts.

Now, it’s your turn. And I know you don’t need prunes to get goin’.

  • KenoshaMarge
    • Flop_Flipper

      He also mentions that he is a hard core loyal Democrat and will “support his party” and vote for Obama. I wonder what it will take for this guy to wake up?

      The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King had a Dream.

      The Irreverent Barack Hussein Obama has a Nightmare.

      Personally I’m not a big fan of the Freddy Kruger types.

      • KenoshaMarge

        He is a perfect example of a partisan pinhead. Even as Obama and the Dems demonize and all but destroy the industry that gives him his living he will vote for them.
        Partisanship doth make idiots of normal folks IMO.

        • Flop_Flipper

          And I know that you (and I) speak from personal experience on that last point.

  • HARP2

    WHO THE HELL HAS A PICTURE TAKEN ON THE DAY YOU BURY YOUR FATHER.

    There’s a picture that was taken in June 1972, on the afternoon he and
    his three brothers buried his father — another Harry Reid — who had
    killed himself a few days before. Reid had been in his office off Las
    Vegas Boulevard in the early afternoon when his mother called. “Pop shot
    himself” was all she said. Reid flew down the highway to Searchlight to
    find his father still lying there on a mattress of blood, gun by his
    side. He dealt with the coroner and did what he could to console his
    shattered mother. Reid doesn’t speak euphemistically, and he loved and
    admired his father, but he was a drunk. A drunk who beat Reid’s mother, Inez.

    http://www.esquire.com/features/harry-reid-election-0111

  • HELENK2
    • Flop_Flipper

      Really hope the campaign works.

  • buzzlatte3

    oh no…Blago says $25,000 channeled to Obama…Blago said he wasn’t going to take the fall…keep the hits coming Blago
    drudgereport.com

    • Flop_Flipper

      Direct link.

      Pertinent paragragh:

      An upcoming book about Rod Blagojevich says undercover recordings caught the former governor saying he had heard that convicted influence peddler Antoin “Tony” Rezko secretly channeled $25,000 in cash to Barack Obama, but federal authorities did not deem the claim credible.

      Bolded emphasis my own.

      • buzzlatte3

        I’m glad you saw that, too…

    • KenoshaMarge

      I have been wondering why Blago was so quiet. Given that’s he’s a big, fat liar, and Obama is a big, fat liar I wouldn’t believe a word out of either lying mouth. However, Blago no longer has anything to lose.

  • Flop_Flipper

    It’s been a regular Obotathon over the past few days. Chicago, meet reality and our values.

  • Flop_Flipper

    I’m wondering if Romney is going to select an unexpected VP. Like a big surprise that will shock folks.

    • KenoshaMarge

      I hope so. I hope he doesn’t play it “safe” by choosing Portman or Pawlenty.

      • Flop_Flipper

        Me too. Even though I am partial to Portman because he is from Ohio and his family owns a haunted hotel. Not to mention being known for working hard and keeping his word.

        • KenoshaMarge

          I am a big fan of T-Paw. But I don’t think either man would bring enough to the ticket. And Portman being tied to Bush is a bad thing IMO. Not that they won’t demonize who ever is picked.
          Since I don’t think Susanna Martinez has a chance, ditto Kelly Ayotte, I want either Rubio or Jindal. Romney “needs” a diverse ticket IMO. Actually I think we all “need” a diverse ticket. The days when all you ever see is two white men on a ticket must end.

          • Flop_Flipper

            Of the two you are inclined toward I think Jindal is probably the most likely. Only because he has governing experience. My personal preference between the two would be Rubio because he is a good, passionate speaker and tactically speaking, would drain off some of the Hispanic vote from that O guy. But ready on day one. I don’t think he passes that test. Either way, no one could say they that Romney and his running mate were just two white guys.

            • KenoshaMarge

              Exactly. I think that Rubio could also deliver Florida.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/09/us-vietnam-usa-agentorange-idUSBRE87803K20120809

    US and Vietnam start cleanup of agent orange at Danang airport

  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2

    can we do something like this to answer obots??

    http://www.maniacworld.com/Best-Telemarketer-Prank-Ever.html

  • HELENK2

    I think this might be the symbol of this years republican party

    http://www.maniacworld.com/an-elephant-with-an-attitude.html

  • mumphrey

    Have you even looked at what the New York Times is saying? Nate Silver, who is about the best political predictor there is today (he called every state in 2008 right but Indiana, which he thought McCain would win) has Obama likely to win both Colorado and Virginia. He also called all 35 Senate races right in 2008. In 2010, Silver called 34 out of 37 Senate races right. he missed only Colorado (where he foresaw Ken Buck winning), Nevada (where he foresaw Sharron Angle winning) and Alaska (where he foresaw Joe Miller winning).

    Silver has Obama’s likelihood of winning Colorado at 57.4%, of winning Virgina at 66.6% and of winning Wisconsin at 87.4&%. His electoral vote forecast is Obama 302.3, Romney 235.7. His popular vote forecast is Obama 50.2%, Romney 48.1%. These are not what he says the election would be if it were held today, they are his foreast for the actual election in November. Now, needless to say, some things will change from now until November, but if you’re going to look for an outcome drastically unlike Silver’s, then, well, your odds aren’t too good. I’ll also note that in each case over the last 4 years where Silver got something wrong, the outcome was better for the Democrats than his forecast. This is not to say that Obama will necessarily do better than Silver thinks, but only that, if anything, his forecasts are conservative for the Democrats.

    • Hokma

      “Nate Silver who is about the best political predictor”

      You just lost whatever argument you had. You figure out the rest. It’s all published.

      • mumphrey

        ¿Que? He called every state for president in 2008 but Indiana. He called every Senate race that year, 36 of them. He called 34 of 37 Senate races in 2010. Not too bad..
        Oh, and when you make a claim, like Nate Silver isn’t a good political forecaster, then back it up. It isn’t my job to prove your point for you. Show where he screwed up or else it never happened.

    • HARP2

      At this point 8 years ago this month, John Kerry was ahead of Bush by 12 points in the Gallup Poll: 55%-43%.

      At this point in 1980, Jimmy Carter was ahead in the polls.

      At this point in 1988, Michael Dukakis was ahead in the polls.

      At this point in 1992, George H. W. Bush was ahead in the polls.

      In other words: Who cares what the polls say in July?

      • Flop_Flipper

        I’m much more interested in what the Poles have to say.

    • Flop_Flipper

      Screw you, you Obot piece of shit. Call me a racist? There are consequences asshole.

      • mumphrey

        Oooh, consequences. Por favor, enlighten me, ¿what do I have to fear? ¿Will I need a change of underwear?

        • Flop_Flipper

          Why would I ruin the surprise? But keep up with calling me a racist and you will discover it on your own.

          • mumphrey

            Oh, O.K., I’ll bite, you dumb-ass racist. I guess it would be your move now, you racist bastard.

          • mumphrey

            Come on, now, ¡I want my consequences! ¡Consequences, consequences! ¡I’m waiting, here! ¿What’s the holdup, damn it?

            • Flop_Flipper

              You are the consequence.

              • mumphrey

                Wow. That is achingly lame, even for this site.

  • HELENK2
    • buzzlatte3

      omg – They discovered Win43′s ego.

      • TeakWoodKite

        :)

  • HELENK2

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/08/montana-dem-governor-montanans-are-white-racist-rednecks/

    why do democrats think calling people names will get them to vote for them?

  • HELENK2

    I am going to rant

    just saw that sandra fluke was out campaigning for backtrack. with the same theme. She wants to have sex, not get pregnant and the taxpayer to pay for it.
    There are so many women out there right now struggling to raise families on shrinking wages due to layoffs and lack of jobs and rising prices. I am more worried about them then some college woman’s sex life. She is old enough to pay for her own

    • HARP2

      Anybody that has……”sleeps well with others”….on their resume has no credibility.

    • KenoshaMarge

      I seldom agree with Rush Limbaugh but I thought he had Sandra Fluke exactly right.

    • mumphrey

      You really are stupid. Sandra Fluke never testified about her sex life or anybody else’s. She testified about many of the other reasons women take birth control. My own wife will go back on birth control now that we’ve had our child, since she has PCOS, and birth control regulates her periods, so she has one every 2 or 3 months instead of every 6, 8, 9 months or a year. Does that make her, as Limbaugh might say, a slut? Does it make her a prostitute? Is it acceptable to take birth control for PCOS? Do you approve? I ask, since you evidently are the moral arbiter of these questions. Enlighten me, why don’t you, you judgemental ignoramus.

  • EllenD818

    Geriatric stiffs? Geezers? Prunes?
    What’s up with that? I thought Romney leads in over 65 folks. Why are you calling old people names?

    • HELENK2

      hey i am only 21 and I am voting for him

      • EllenD818

        That would make you a Geezerette :)

    • Flop_Flipper

      Not a clue. Hey, has anyone seen my prune juice?

  • no_longer_a_democrat

    Anyone who doesn’t vote for Barry Soetero is a racist.

    (-EVERY MSM.)

    oh, lookie over there, there’s ann romney’s horse, oh those evil rich romneys!

  • HELENK2

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/08/08/sheldon-adelson-files-60-million-libel-suit-against-democratic-group/

    sheldon adelson files $60 million libel suit against democratic group.

    you want to play , you pay

    • KenoshaMarge

      And rich folks have the money to fight back.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/bre8771pr-us-usa-tax-tigta/

    IRA issues thousands of ID #s
    another drain on economy because of no oversight

    • Flop_Flipper

      I’m certain you meant IRS. Had me going for a while.

      • HELENK2

        my Irish roots coming out

        • Flop_Flipper

          That’s pretty funny.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/08/08/Politico-buries-Obama-lie

    politico buried the story of the backtrack ad being a lie

    • BronwynsHarbor

      Not Anderson Cooper. I’ll post this asap. Waiting for video + transcript.

      • Flop_Flipper

        Thank you. Can’t wait to see an honest reporting of the matter on TV.

  • HELENK2

    http://nation.foxnews.com/michelle-obama/2012/08/08/obama-complains-michelle-doesnt-make-money-first-lady

    backtrack complains that meeeschele does not get paid.

    remember during the primaries she wanted a pay check.

    this woman is living high on the hog taking more vacations and getting more ugly high priced clothes then she ever had in her life and still whines it is not enough

    • HELENK2
    • HELENK2
    • BronwynsHarbor

      Know what? Even though Obama is a millionaire, he only gets $400,000 per year for being president — which would be an embarrassing paycheck if he were a capable president. Our presidents deserve a paycheck commensurate with their responsibilities and the incalculably high levels of stress.

      Anyway, if Obama were dependent on that $400,000, there’s no way he could afford Michelle’s clothing stylists, hair stylists, make-up artists, let alone her clothes, shoes, accessories, and handbags. It would probably be a stretch even if he taps his net worth.

      Surely there are people who are subsidizing Michelle’s incessant demands. Didn’t Nancy Reagan have a similar taste for the very finest? And didn’t patrons come to her aid as they did for the new White House china she insisted on? (Trusting it’s not heresy to speak ill of any Reagan.)

      • Flop_Flipper

        I disagree. He makes way too much money occupying the White House, stealing our money. And when you add in all the perks and freebies, not to mention the fat paycheck he will receive for the rest of his life (at taxpayer expense) for sitting on his ass somewhere other than the White House, I think he has a pretty good scam deal going.

        I seem to recall that Romney said he would decline a salary as President.

    • Flop_Flipper

      I seem to recall Michelle whining about how hard it was to raise two children on a $200,000 income. Oh, the fricking agony.

      And didn’t she once say something like Come on people, give us something?”

  • Flop_Flipper

    Your prunes analogy is hilarious!

    • BronwynsHarbor

      A relative referred to them when we spoke recently, and I must confess it cracked me up.

      (I’m a great fan of “little white lies.”)

      • buzzlatte3

        We call them “Slight inaccuracies”.

  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2

    http://freebeacon.com/sayonara-sierra/

    sierra club setback on keystone pipeline

  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2

    http://fool-me-twice.com/2012/08/07/hello-world/

    this is a book I want to read. plans for backtrack’s 2nd term

  • HELENK2

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/08/08/obamanomics-over-100-million-now-receiving-some-form-of-federal-welfare/

    obamanomics over 100 milllion now receiving some form of federal welfare

  • getfitnow

    It’s an Obama World
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/08
    /dying-for-work-billboard-startles-las-vegas-motorists/

    I read an article the other day. It highlighted how many bankers and Wall St. types were charged, prosecuted and jailed by both the Clinton and Bush adminsitrations–over 1000 in each case. Not ONE charge has been brought by the current administration.

  • HELENK2
  • getfitnow
  • HELENK2

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-obama-blagojevich-book-20120808,0,4938276.story

    new book coming out should be very interesting about blago.

    claims he understood reszko channelled $25,000 to backtrack,

    did he did or did he not?

    • getfitnow

      Nothing would surprise me. Do any of you remember Evelyn Pringle? She covered the trial and was reporting at RBO. Her posts were amazing–the Chicago Combine, and you can bet, That One was right in the thick of it.

      What happened to her?

      • Flop_Flipper

        Not positive if this is the same person but it sure seems so. Found her here.