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Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan – 2012 [Open Thread]

By Matthew Weaver on August 11, 2012 at 10:00 AM in Current Affairs

Governor Romney makes it official, Congressman Paul Ryan is his choice for vice-president.

What do you think about this choice?

About Obama, Ryan observes,

“Whatever the explanations, whatever the excuses, this is a record of failure.”

“Regrettably, President Obama has become part of the problem, and Mitt Romney is the solution” to an economy that has yet to make a strong recovery from the worst recession in decades.”

About Romney-Ryan:

“We won’t duck the tough issues, we will lead; we won’t blame others; we will take responsibility. And we won’t replace our founding principles, we will reapply them.”

 
 
Matthew Weaver is president/CEO of Project Weavers, which offers project management training and PMP exam prep courses.

  • Flop_Flipper

    During the Revolutionary War there were more than a few times when it seemed that the fight for independence was futile. Facing overwhelming odds against the world’s super power, our capital destroyed, mutiny and treason, a Congress unwilling and unable to appropriate the necessary funding and a few generals that ignored orders thinking they knew best, several battles lost, General Washington did not give up. He took a rag tag, untrained and undisciplined militia whose love for freedom outweighed the hardships of their struggle and kicked the Brit’s ass.

    Now let’s examine the present. We are facing an uphill battle. A corrupt party and president, held in power by a compliant bought and paid for press making a mockery of our first Amendment, our capital in shambles, near ruin, a Congress unwilling to make the difficult decisions necessary to right the wrong, an economy barely sputtering along, and a slew of political pundits that think they know best. Some willing to cut throats, abetting the enemy and hedging their bets should the fight be futile.

    We are in the midst of a new American Revolution. The consequences of losing this war are so dreadful that we risk dishonoring those wise men and women that put their lives on the line, despite the odds, to fight for the promise of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. So that not only their generation, but every generation, should share in the fruit of the promise we call America.

    Make no mistake. This is not a time for gnashing of teeth or wailing in despair. It is a time to fight for what we all know is right. This is not a time to second guess our general. It is a time for resolve and a time for unity. A time to reload, get in line or get out of the way.

    Give me liberty or give me Obama!

    • FLDemFem

      Flip, we did not have a Capitol city during the Revolution. We had one after it. Philadelphia was where the Continental Congress met, but was not designated as the capitol city. The first, temporary, Capitol of the United States was New York City, where Washington was inaugurated. Then it was moved to DC since it was felt that the capitol city should not be in any one state, but in its own territory, District of Columbia. The capitol was moved to Leesburg, VA for six months during the War of 1812 when the British burned Washington.

      • Flop_Flipper

        I agree that Philly was not “officially” the capitol as the nation had not been founded. But for all intents and purposes it served in that capacity. Thank you, though, for correcting my error.

  • arabella_trefoil

    Great choice.

  • arabella_trefoil

    Obama is reported “thrilled” by Romney’s choice of Ryan as running mate. I’ll bet Obama is so thrilled that he’s sitting on the toilet shitting his brains out. Michelle is banging on the door holding a can of Lysol spray and calling her husband “Stinky.” Valerie is trying to de-escalate the situation by shoving Immodium melt-tabs under the door. It’s a crazy scene.

    • HARP2

      Biden`s campaign tour will now be sponsored by Depends

      • http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

        What campaign tour? My guess is that he’s sitting at the beach this morning thinking about how nice it will be to just relax like today once Obama replaces him with Hillary.

        • HARP2

          Or somebody smarter than Biden…….like Alvin Greene.

        • jrterrier

          Actually was thinking how nice it will be for the Ryan kids to live in the VP’s residence and that they will get to see their father every night rather than just weekends.

        • Flop_Flipper

          Ain’t gonna happen.

      • arabella_trefoil

        Nah, he just pees between parked cars when he has to.

    • DianaLC

      You are so funny! I just get such a kick out of the mental images you create for us.

      • arabella_trefoil

        DianaLC: I left out the huge fight Michelle had with her mother. Michelle’s mom helpfully brought a bottle of PineSol to the disaster scene. Michelle went ballistic. Valerie had to defuse the situation by reminding Michelle’s mother that she was way behind in her pie baking.

        • DianaLC

          Quit it; my sides ache from laughing.

          • arabella_trefoil

            “Stinky, I will NOT clean that commode. I will not. And don’t forget to put a new role of toilet paper in the dispenser…….. Shut up, Valerie. I’ve had enough from you. Nobody gets between me and my man. Put that Febreze down Sasha. Febreeze is for White People. Go run some laps.

            • DianaLC

              You lost your calling. You should replace Leno.

    • getfitnow

      Yep–wee-weed up, I suspect.

    • twobits2

      :)

    • DianaLC

      arabella, call it coincidence if you will, but this afternoon my mailman delivered a letter from MEchelle to me. In it she explains why we must vote for Obama. I was glad it had a pre-paid envelope, because I returned a note saying I had just sent a donation so that I could have some R & R after the Obamanation of a Presidency I had just endured. Wasn’t it nice for Mitt to make sure I had that letter this very same day?

  • http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Romney and Ryan definitely touched on some of what will surely differentiate them from Obama:

    From Romney
    – Paul Ryan … doesn’t demonize his opponents
    – Paul also combines firm principles with a practical concern for getting things done. He’s never been content to just curse the darkness
    – Paul believes in the worth and dignity of human life
    – We will return work to welfare
    – We will preserve and protect Medicare … and keep it for future generations

    From Ryan:
    – If you built a small business, you did build that
    – Romney will have the courage to tell you the truth
    – America is more than just a place. American is an ideal. Our rights come from nature and God, not from government.

    And finally, gotta live the point Ryan made about Obama’s utter failure:

    “And, in his first two years, with his party in complete control of Washington, he passed nearly every item on his agenda. But that didn’t make things better.”

    • jrterrier

      all great points.
      also from a more mundane perspective, it appears that Ryan has a very good relationship with reporters, which is always good for getting good coverage. even last night on MSNBC, luke russert was talking about how friendly ryan is.

    • Hokma

      “If you built a small business, you did build that”

      That was not a gaffe and truly defines Obama without having to call him a socialist.

      I believe it will be constantly used and will be Obama’s undoing.

  • DianaLC

    I’m going to give the same comment I gave after the recent recall election results in Wisconsin: ON WISCONSIN!!!!

    • DianaLC

      I had other thoughts:
      I don’t mind that he there are two clean-cut white guys on the ticket. I am sure it’s a problem for some people nowadays, but if it were two clean cut men of any ethnic group I wouldn’t mind either. I was raised in a family of honorable hard-working men. I would have liked a female president once in my lifetime, but Obama stole that from Hillary and she has not stepped up to speak about against the abuse she and her followers endured.
      What I would really like to see also is Romney announcing early who his AG pick would be. I don’t have a suggestion but I do believe there are enough people so thoroughly disgusted with Holder that a mention of a possible change in the AG might also give the campaign a kick in the right direction.

      • jrterrier

        could be kelly ayotte, if she’ll take it. the current senator & former AG in NH.
        romney might have picked ayotte as the VP pick if the economy weren’t his #1 interest.

      • arabella_trefoil

        Acccording to some projections, whites will be in the minority by 2040 or so. The reason that is often given is the the white birthrate is declining, while the Hispanic birth rate is going up. I am unable to find a source for this. Also, I don’t know what the projections for other ethnic groups are.

        • DianaLC

          Yes, this is the year more “minority” babies were born than white babies.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/11/Lefty-Attack-Paul-Ryan-is-a-Follower-of-Ayn-Rand

    good article on Paul Romney and Ayn Rand and the baseless attacks on his Rand beliefs

    • DianaLC

      It is a good article. I wish I could have worked for school administrators and company bosses of the same type as Romney is described as while at Bain. I hate the touchy feely sort and the playing favorites with suck up sorts.

  • HELENK2
    • jrterrier

      this is the best video. it show’s ryan’s competence and also is a great explanation of the problems with Obamacare. It also is great for the expression on the President’s face when confronted with facts — proves the point that a picture is worth a thousand words.

  • getfitnow

    This!
    **************
    “Now with Ryan, Obama faces his greatest nightmare: math” –Iowahawk

  • HELENK2
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    • getfitnow

      It’s on!

  • jrterrier

    Ryan makes Romney more at ease; that’s good. Carville looks very unhappy on CNN; that’s very good.
    CNN playing a couple of the one-on-ones between the President & Ryan. Ryan wins all of them.
    Ryan comes accross completely real; almost choked up when he started his speech & spoke about his father; hope that doesn’t go away. I think Romney made the announcement this week to capitalize on the theme that the President is not telling you the truth; after all almost unanimously every major paper & all cable channels called the cancer ad a lie or not true. And Ryan doubled down on the theme that we will tell you the truth.
    All in all, I think Ryan is a good pick. I did keep on wondering how the whole thing would have been different if Rubio had been the nominee. Ryan’s youth is good for the ticket just as Rubio’s would have been. The Ryan picks doubles down on fiscal issues; Rubio would have veered away from the economy into the coming browning/diversity of America.
    I think we need to take care of the economy before we take care of anything else.
    Finally, hope the Ryan kids & Romney grandkids get to go to the beach or a good pool while they are on this bus tour.

    • DianaLC

      I love your line about the Kardasian Presidency. Since I don’t follow the celeb news, it took me some time to understand who in the heck people were referring to when they mentioned the Kardiasians. The Start Trek nerd that I am, kept thinking they were talking about the evil Cardassian empire. I think both are appropriate for the current presidency.

  • getfitnow
  • getfitnow

    I’m no fan of Dick Morris, but at the end of this clip he mentions this may be a Co-presidency in some respects. I think he’s right. Ryan won’t just be cutting ribbons and going to funerals.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVV_Me8-eU8&feature=player_embedded

    • Hokma

      As a business manager Romney knows that you are only as good as the peple you hire – and always hire the best talent.

      • jrterrier

        compare & contrast the biden pick!

        • lola828

          Biden has been an excellent VP.

          • DianaLC

            ROTFLMAO!!!!

    • twobits2

      Morris is very savvy – he was pulling for Rubio, but, as with many of us, realizes the brilliance of Ryan. It was funny when they asked him about what differentiates Ryan from Biden – I responded “brains” just before Morris said “intelligence” and later said “brains.”
      Great minds think alike. I was tepid about Romney, warming up more and more, but this seals the deal for me.

    • Flop_Flipper

      They left out the part where Morris was admiring Ryan’s toes. snark off.

  • jrterrier

    so many good lines from the ryan speech:
    ‘If You Have a Small Business, You Did Build That’

    • Hokma

      I truly believe that when Obama made hat statement he ended his political career. They will use that line to clearly define who Obama is without having to call hima socialist.

      • DianaLC

        Boy am I hoping you’re right.

        • buzzlatte3

          I tend to think it was Obama’s defining moment, too. We finally got a glimpse behind the curtain of obfuscation and deceit and we didn’t like what we saw. America is about to get rid of it’s festering boil.

    • foxyladi14

      Huzzah!

  • jrterrier

    i also liked romney’s line when he came back to correct his mistake introducing ryan as the next president …
    i’ve been known to make mistakes but not with this guy, tapping ryan on the shoulder.

  • HELENK2
    • jrterrier

      i think it makes them look small and confirms both romney & ryan’s speeches about wanting to talk about issues and the truth.

  • jrterrier

    there was a very good article forecasting the ryan pick based on romney’s history of picking and mentoring the best and the brightest at bates. it’s my reason for supporting romney; the sign of greatness is that a person doesn’t shy away from having the best and the brightest around him/her.

    The Ryan Way
    Mitt Romney has a history of elevating young talent.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/313555/ryan-way-robert-costa

  • FormerLiberal9

    I love the choice. Romney didn’t pick the safe choice but a choice based on who could best help him turn the economy around. We will hear the squeals and condemnations from those who want to spend our way into oblivion, notably the left wing of the Democrat Party, but it is very clear now which direction Romney wants to take this country.

  • twobits2

    Brilliant choice.

  • Flop_Flipper

    If you look closely at the Romney logo it has two Rs.

  • HELENK2
  • FormerLiberal9

    I might add that Romney was fortunate to have so many good choices. Poor BO was stuck with Biden ( as I don’t think Hillary would have accepted the VP nomination). The Republicans have a great stable of rising stars in the Party for the future. While the Dems don’t seem to have very many worthy new faces just people like Debbie Downer. They will probably have to start looking to Hollywood to find Nominees that people would like.

    • jrterrier

      i think hillary would have accepted the VP nomination. it was just the first indication that the President was a small person. he was afraid to pick the best candidate. compare & contrast with romney’s pick. some said romney would be afraid of picking ryan because he is more dynamic. nonsense. he picked the best.

  • HELENK2

    just my opinion on this election

    This country is in too much economic trouble to worry about the fools hollering about the color of the ticket. The brains of the ticket and
    the ideas of the ticket and the solutions of the ticket are what people should be paying attention to.

    I am too old to worry about abortion

    I do not give a damn about color

    I do need to know will my kids and grandkids have a job and a future.

    I do need to know will my retirement check be enough to keep me without me being a burden on my family

    • DianaLC

      I am in the same position.

    • Deapster

      Aging baby boomer women are radically changing their thoughts about abortion.

      It is murder. But i never saw it that way when my younger age made me more vulnerable to stupid choices. Demographers, take note.
      The issues today are what sort of country are we leaving our grandchildren. The fiscal reckless of our me-generation self-absorbtion is our biggest liability that needs immediate repair.
      Go Team Romney-Ryan and lead us out of our self-inflicted darkness.

      • FormerLiberal9

        You are right Deapster I know my wife has had a change of heart about the abortion issue but I should let her talk about that for herself.

        And many of us boomers, myself included, have to take some responsibility for the lack of moral values in today’s culture.

        Mea culpa Mea culpa Mea maxima culpa

        • jrterrier

          you went to catholic school, didn’t you?

          • FormerLiberal9

            Yes and an alter boy too boot.

      • jrterrier

        a woman cannot have a child without knowing that truth.

      • DianaLC

        I have always viewed abortion as somehow terribly wrong. I mentioned once before, my close friend and I (she was our hs class pregnant girl) were the only two in our class who argued against easy access to abortion (back in the late 60s when the topic was first being argued). I later decided that it should be a woman’s choice, but that was because I assumed it would be a terribly difficult choice for most women, one I could not make.
        I am so saddened to see the flippant attitude many young people have about abortions and their lack of concern sometimes about getting into situations that might mean they have to make that horrifying decision.
        I guess I am still very much stuck in the mores of the generations that raised me and the generation in which I grew up.

      • twobits2

        I have always thought it was murder – could be my being raised as a Catholic – I’m now a Buddhist, which takes the respect for all life to a different plateau. Over the years I have been appalled by the cavalier attitude many women (and men) have towards that act.
        Much of the decline of our country began when abortion became legal. When it became legal to destroy a human life because of the inconvenience to the mother.
        When Abortion became a section in the Yellow Pages, I truly knew that our country was in trouble.

  • jrterrier

    One of the biggest turn-offs is that there are so few honest brokers in the punditry. there is a DEM on fox right now who said that Romney was pressured by the conservative wing to pick Ryan because it was obvious that Romney had more chemistry with Pawlenty. who’s kidding who. if you watched romney & ryan interact during the primaries & today, there seems a genuine rapport between the two.
    the DEMS wanted pawlenty because he would have been such a safe, boring choice.

    • FormerLiberal9

      PUNDITS. If you can’t get a real job become a pundit.

    • Flop_Flipper

      I stopped reading when you said there was a DEM on Fox.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/08/11/roots-paul-ryan/

    the roots of Paul Ryan. he comes from good stock

    • twobits2

      Good old-fashioned midwestern values.

      • jrterrier

        you’ve got to believe that ryan helps romney in all of the midwest. romney was already ahead in IA. and pulling even in MI. gotta believe that R&R will be more appealing to MI, WI, OH, MN & IA than O&B.

    • jrterrier

      WI will surely go Republican with all those Ryans voting. He said that he has more than 50 cousins. when you start adding spouses, children, aunts & uncles, in-laws. the ryans can probably swing any election in WI.

    • foxyladi14

      from the comments

      With Paul Ryan, I don’t have renewed hope for 2012.
      It extends through 2020, then, 2028.
      It’s “his time”. 8 yrs as VP, another 8 in the driver’s seat.
      Thank God.

  • lola828

    How many years of tax returns did Ryan have to provide?

    An excellent pick by Romney. We now have a clear choice election. Bravo Romney!

    • jrterrier

      none. neither ryan nor romney hail from chicago so they obey the law.

      • lola828

        So what is Romney hiding by not releasing his tax returns for a bunch of years?

        • PatW

          Romney has released all tax returns as required under federal election laws. We are a nation of laws, and those laws apply equally to everyone. So, you, little Lola, do not get to determine what is required of Mitt Romney to comply with the law. BTW, what is Obama trying to hide by not releasing his records from Columbia and Harvard?

    • HELENK2

      for once you said something that made sense although I do not think you meant to

      we now have a clear choice

      yes we do have a clear choice

      A FREE COUNTRY OR A DEPENDENT COUNTRY

      • Flop_Flipper

        Right on!

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    • HELENK2

      Rasmussen: Ryan favorability 39/25, 52/29 among … seniors

  • getfitnow

    Yep, I can picture Ann Romeny saying something like this./s
    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/08/10/Michelle-Obama-To-Black-Radio-
    Get-Out-There-And-Convince-This-Confused-Knuckleheads-to-Vote-Obama

    Honestly, no class.

  • getfitnow
    • jrterrier

      the R&R team’s ad is much more positive.

    • Flop_Flipper

      Freakin awesome.

    • foxyladi14

      thanks spread it around i did.lol

    • DianaLC

      No question about it. The ad about Ryan wins hands down as being far more convincing and more positive. The Dem ad is their usual group think language that appeals only to group thinkers.

  • Deapster

    What looks good is all the Republican talent still left over. There are bright young conservative stars all over this country rising up and ready to serve.

    Romney had an embarrassment of riches from which to choose. Ryan is a very good choice. And they now both have a lot of depth in the outlying farm club too.

    • jrterrier

      so true.

  • Deapster

    Safe and boring is good. I am ready for safe and boring.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    As I have listened to the talkings heads on TV, while working since Romney’s announcement, one thing is clear, with Romney and Ryan we’ve got two serious candidates that truly make Obama and Biden out to be the amateurs that they are.

    • Hokma

      If you look at the polls that count (Gallup and Rasmussen) Obama is not ahead by much if at all an his negatives are horrific. And that si AFTER Obama outspent Romney 3:1 with the most negative ads ever seen.

      The campaign starts now and once he is nominated then he will be able to out-spend Obama and then come the debates.

      With Ryan I cannot see how this will even be a close election in the end and will be an R&R landslide.

      • jrterrier

        i can’t see how R&R lose the midwest. WI, OH, MI, & IA all go to them. And it would be poetic justice if IL went to R&R.

  • no_longer_a_democrat

    I like Paul Ryan.
    R & R 2012

    And for trolls, the whole pushing granny over the cliffs, grannies, even the dem ones, know how much SS and Medicare is in trouble, they know any changes made will not affect them, but the younger, 45 and younger crowd. So keep trying those same tired scare tactics, you won’t sway even a ex-dem like me, who even voted and campaigned for Howard dean in 2004.

    ABO ALL THE WAY!!!!!!

  • HARP2
    • foxyladi14

      Wonderful..

  • jrterrier

    here’s bill clinton commiserating with Ryan about congress. clintons ends it by telling ryan to call him:
    http://youtu.be/aOrSURZKrcw
    hope they have this ready if the put clinton up to criticize Ryan.

  • jrterrier

    even romney is on fire. in ashland, va.

    • no_longer_a_democrat

      I know… lol, but I’m watching to listen to Ryan more than Romney. LOL. but yes, romney seems very upbeat right now.

  • jrterrier

    unbelieveable, some DEM hack is saying that Ryan is not fit to be VICE PRESIDENT because he is too young & has no executive experience and no national security experience. to his credit, the FOX host noted that JFK took over at 43 & . . . wait for it . . . what kind of executive experience did Obama have?
    the guy answered the JFK question but didn’t even touch the Obama question.

    • no_longer_a_democrat

      lol, I saw that, I’m still laughing about it…. that was so pathetic.

    • HELENK2

      I heard the fool. They really insult the people’s intelligence. I laughed when he brought up Ayn Rand. I read her years ago. Her books were about free enterprise. It is like any work of fiction you take the good,pay no attention to the bad. One writer that influenced my thinking was Taylor Caldwell. She seemed to understand people and free enterprise and the danger of big government

      • DianaLC

        As an English major, we were rarely asked to read Rand. I view her books as I do Michael Chricton’s books,. for example. They are meant for mass consumption to show her political and economic philosophy. She admitted that. Chrichton’s were written to appeal to the current concerns about science, etc.
        When I read Atlas Shrugged, I could easily picture in my mind the possible actors and actresses of her time who would be asked to play the part in the movie.
        The “literary” merit of the novels just doesn’t hold up. That is why they were assigned more for social studies and economics students.
        I clearly see her hatred of collectivism as a Russian ex-patriot after the bolshevik revolution. Who can disagree with her about that if he/she has any knowledge of that period in Russian history.
        But I never liked the actual atheism that comes through, though she doesn’t really hit much on religion.

  • no_longer_a_democrat
  • kirkbride

    Interesting side effect. Palin has now been ‘recruited’. She has so far avoided directly endorsing MR. However, Ryan is a conservative and she (if I remember correctly) was one of the first to endorse Ryan’s ideas on the economy. This means she can support the ticket through Ryan without having to directly endorse Mitt. Palin is a major figure, MR has both boxed her in and given her a way out. As getting out the vote is the big risk (conservatives stay home) and getting out the vote is her big skill then this is a great move.

  • lola828

    The Ryan Plan and Ayn Rand are now front and center. I am sure this will find its way into an Ad.

    “…the domestic policy proposals of Paul Ryan, embraced by Romney, have been condemned by Catholic leaders as immoral. The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops stated, in an April 17 letter, that:

    the [now Romney-Ryan] budget fails to meet certain “moral criteria” by disproportionately cutting programs that “serve poor and vulnerable people.” ”

    *****

    “The likely script of the next attack ad. A woman in her later 40s, looking worried at a kitchen table. She’s probably vaguely Latino; the photos on her refrigerator (kids, no dad) suggest a single mom.

    A woman’s voice over. “You’ve worked hard all your life. You’ve paid Medicare taxes for almost 30 years. But under the Republican plan, Medicare won’t be there for you. Instead of Medicare as it exists now, under the Republican plan you’ll get a voucher that will pay as little as half your Medicare costs when you turn 65—and as little as a quarter in your 80s. And all so that millionaires and billionaires can have a huge tax cut.”

    That ad will draw blood and will—as Henry Kissinger used to say—have the additional merit of being true.”

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/11/attack-ads.html

    • DianaLC

      Apparently you didn’t take time to see the link HELENK2 provided that explains Ryan’s differences with Ayn Rand’s philosophy. But you little odiots are all alike. Groups think, buzz word thinking, minds connected to the Media Matters Matrix. You’re unable to really listen to the other side and see there is no millionaire Boogey Man? You want us to read the Daily Beast? I think you are like some of the pachycephalosauria. I remember reading about them to my toddler son, who loved to study the extinct dinosaurs. In the book he had they were described as having nine-inch thick skulls.
      Even you can’t destroy my happy mood today.

      • lola828

        Sure after years of promoting Ayn Rand and her books, even buying them for his campaign people, he tried very weakly to distance himself from some of Rand, as he knew it would be a political handicap, given his national ambitions, but know one if fooled by his flip flop. At least he has got the flip flop down like Romney.

        “[T]he reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand. And the fight we are in here, make no mistake about it, is a fight of individualism versus collectivism.”

        Paul Ryan in a 2005 speech to the Atlas Society.

        “what’s unique about what’s happening today in government, in the world, in America, is that it’s as if we’re living in an Ayn Rand novel right now. I think Ayn Rand did the best job of anybody to build a moral case of capitalism, and that morality of capitalism is under assault.”

        Paul Ryan, 2009

        Watch it in his own words.

        http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1188874849092

        A Mormon puts a follower of an atheist on the ticket. That will certainly make the Christian Right and evangelicals happy. That is why Ryan tried to distance himself from Rand because Evanelicals don’t like the big time Ayn Rand atheist.

        • DianaLC

          Tell the truth. Have you read anyt of Rand’s book? When you read a book do you always have to buy into everything that is behind the philosophy of the book. I suppose if I said I liked Stranger in a Strange Land for some of the philosophical ideas presented in it, you would asuume I wanted to be a free sex nudist, who believed the best honor to give a friend is to eat his/her flesh after he/she “discorporated.”
          I have never liked at all the human-centered, almost humanity deification of, for instance, Atlas Shrugged. But I did admire it’s take on the absolute horrible uselessness, almost cannibal-like nature of some in academica and especially in government who felt it was their right to live off the work of the real workers. It paints a very good picture of what, for instance, the GSA (UNDER OBAMA) has become. It paints a very good picture of what over-regulation for the sake of regulation can do.
          Rand came out of Russia, the atheistic point of view was probably ingrained in her, but certainly she was able to observe the evils of “collectivism.”
          But then I am writing to someone who probably carries around Dreams From My Father as if it were a Bible and who believes it tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
          Go cut and paste elsewhere. He can admire Rand’s political and economic ideas without worshiping her entire Weltanschauung, especiall her Objectivism.

          • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

            Diana,
            Save your reason, sanity and logic. LOLA is an insufferable, thick as mule shit, asshole. Not interested in the least in a dialogue or thought. A complete moron incapable of free thought.

            • DianaLC

              Sorry, I know you’re right. I just can’t get out of the teacher mode.

    • HELENK2

      I usually do not pay attention to people like lola that keep making excuses for the backtrack bunch.
      i have children, grand children and great grand children. Thanks to the backtrack bunch and their spending spree,and refusal to make good policy, my great grand children from the moment they took their first breath have been put in debt.
      Maybe lola and her ilk think this is fine. I find it horrible and so against everything America stand for and will never understand why they do not.

      • DianaLC

        I know I shouldn’t encourage him/her/it by responding, but he/she/it is such an obvious non-thinking fool, it’s sometimes fun to show that her idiocy can be answered with logic.

  • Alex Yamach

    Interesting facts: Romney’s father was born in Mexico. His Grandfather fled
    the USA to Mexico to join a Polygamy Commune after a crackdown in the USA on
    having multiple wives, and the Mormon Church refused to allow Blacks to become
    Priests until 1978, because they considered them to be “inferior people”. It’s
    all true! Google it!

    In 1988, Paul Ryan’s senior year, his classmates chose him as “Biggest
    ‘Brown-Noser’,” overlooking the VP-to-be in other categories like “best
    looking,” “biggest flirt,” and “most likely to succeed.” Scroll down to the
    third photo.

    LINK: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/11/paul-ryan-s-high-school-yearbook-pictures.html