Comments on: Music and the Thought Police http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7067/music-and-the-thought-police/ Sun, 27 May 2012 12:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: PN http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7067/music-and-the-thought-police/#comment-1077737 PN Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:47:09 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7067#comment-1077737 Nice Try: There is no doubt that that Wagner harboured and promoted vile opinions. I don't think anyone has denied that. Equally certain is the fact that he created some truly soaring, glorious music. As the glory of his music does not excuse the evil he did, neither does the evil he did tarnish the beauty of his music. If we held such, most of the great art of the world would have to be discarded for sake of the moral failings of its creator(s). I am, however, also not so sure putting him and his music on the shelf for a couple of decades after WWII was such a bad thing, either. His work and life did play a part in the horror, and setting it aside for a bit was a defensible response. Make of that what you will. The evil Wagner did is dead and buried with him; his music lives on. The best that any of us can hope is that our evil deeds die with us and the good we do carries on after our deaths. The reverse is far too often the case. Nice Try:

There is no doubt that that Wagner harboured and promoted vile opinions. I don’t think anyone has denied that. Equally certain is the fact that he created some truly soaring, glorious music. As the glory of his music does not excuse the evil he did, neither does the evil he did tarnish the beauty of his music. If we held such, most of the great art of the world would have to be discarded for sake of the moral failings of its creator(s).

I am, however, also not so sure putting him and his music on the shelf for a couple of decades after WWII was such a bad thing, either. His work and life did play a part in the horror, and setting it aside for a bit was a defensible response. Make of that what you will.

The evil Wagner did is dead and buried with him; his music lives on. The best that any of us can hope is that our evil deeds die with us and the good we do carries on after our deaths. The reverse is far too often the case.

]]> By: Galt http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7067/music-and-the-thought-police/#comment-1063869 Galt Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:27:32 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7067#comment-1063869 Am I the only one who hears Stravinsky in John Williams? Hey OGG, I think you are walking a fine line when you are being critical of the wannabees (critics, musicologists) and coming up with your own "best" composers? ;) This dawned on me after I lamented on some of the grief you took in this thread. Art can be trash to one and trash can be art to another, I guess. :shock: Am I the only one who hears Stravinsky in John Williams? Hey OGG, I think you are walking a fine line when you are being critical of the wannabees (critics, musicologists) and coming up with your own “best” composers? ;) This dawned on me after I lamented on some of the grief you took in this thread. Art can be trash to one and trash can be art to another, I guess. :shock:

]]> By: elliewyatt http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7067/music-and-the-thought-police/#comment-1063847 elliewyatt Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:59:06 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7067#comment-1063847 It's OK. There is an antidote to 'Kill da wabbit', but it's very painful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 It’s OK. There is an antidote to ‘Kill da wabbit’, but it’s very painful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

]]> By: workingclass artist http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7067/music-and-the-thought-police/#comment-1063497 workingclass artist Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:13:13 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7067#comment-1063497 lol....Indeed. Although I admired the ambition of Paul's recent foray into the realm of Classical with his Ode to Liverpool...It was telling no? Like other words in the English Language the word Composer has become a bit muddied...*sigh* lol….Indeed. Although I admired the ambition of Paul’s recent foray into the realm of Classical with his Ode to Liverpool…It was telling no?
Like other words in the English Language the word Composer has become a bit muddied…*sigh*

]]> By: workingclass artist http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7067/music-and-the-thought-police/#comment-1063483 workingclass artist Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:59:35 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7067#comment-1063483 <strong>Hmmmm...Lizpolaris..I think Wagner falls into a typical European reaction to Zionism and it's rise as a growing solidified political movement....There is a difference...I'm not defending his views but to discount a Great Artist because of this is like discounting the Sistine Chapel...Because it is simply Catholic Propaganda...Kinda silly.</strong> <em>BTW there are JEWS...Plenty of them back then and now who are Anti-Zionist...I'm just sayin'</em> Hmmmm…Lizpolaris..I think Wagner falls into a typical European reaction to Zionism and it’s rise as a growing solidified political movement….There is a difference…I’m not defending his views but to discount a Great Artist because of this is like discounting the Sistine Chapel…Because it is simply Catholic Propaganda…Kinda silly.

BTW there are JEWS…Plenty of them back then and now who are Anti-Zionist…I’m just sayin’

]]> By: OldGrumpyGuy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7067/music-and-the-thought-police/#comment-1063471 OldGrumpyGuy Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:43:06 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7067#comment-1063471 Lennon and McCartney were songwriters Lennon and McCartney were songwriters

]]> By: OldGrumpyGuy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7067/music-and-the-thought-police/#comment-1063464 OldGrumpyGuy Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:35:10 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7067#comment-1063464 "Save da wabbit" doesn't have quite the same dramatic impact, but I concur with the sentiments as Bugs is a big hero of mine “Save da wabbit” doesn’t have quite the same dramatic impact, but I concur with the sentiments as Bugs is a big hero of mine

]]> By: OldGrumpyGuy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7067/music-and-the-thought-police/#comment-1063461 OldGrumpyGuy Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:33:16 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7067#comment-1063461 well said uppity well said uppity

]]> By: OldGrumpyGuy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7067/music-and-the-thought-police/#comment-1063459 OldGrumpyGuy Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:31:15 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7067#comment-1063459 Puccini wrote some pretty songs and gave Andrew Lloyd Webber and the composer of Les Miserables a lot to borrow from. If we were doing a top ten of operatic composers who came up with pretty tunes he would certainly be somewhere around the top. But the people in the top ten have generally had a bigger impact and have more depth and range than Puccini, Verdi, Rossini et al. Puccini wrote some pretty songs and gave Andrew Lloyd Webber and the composer of Les Miserables a lot to borrow from. If we were doing a top ten of operatic composers who came up with pretty tunes he would certainly be somewhere around the top. But the people in the top ten have generally had a bigger impact and have more depth and range than Puccini, Verdi, Rossini et al.

]]> By: workingclass artist http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7067/music-and-the-thought-police/#comment-1063436 workingclass artist Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:53:34 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7067#comment-1063436 <strong>Great Art is not for the faint hearted...Or the politically correct. Never has been...Never will be.</strong> Enjoyed this one Grump. Wagner is huge. Singlehandedly broke the dominance of the Italians/French in Opera and brought Mythos to the forefront of theater again. I am wondering if your American Composer will be Gershwin or Bernstein...Can't wait to find out. Personally...As a big fan of Mythology ( especially the Grail Romances ) I alway enjoyed Wagner and his ambition..Not an easy task but well worth the effort. We all benefit as a result...Tolstoy was perceived as anti-semitic as well. Revisionist history is what it is suspect through motive....Some folks would hear "Grand ol Flag"as an anti-immigrant fascist imperialist anthem instead of what it was...A patriotic show tune...sheeesh! <strong>I look forward to the next installment...Thanks.</strong> Great Art is not for the faint hearted…Or the politically correct. Never has been…Never will be.
Enjoyed this one Grump. Wagner is huge. Singlehandedly broke the dominance of the Italians/French in Opera and brought Mythos to the forefront of theater again. I am wondering if your American Composer will be Gershwin or Bernstein…Can’t wait to find out.
Personally…As a big fan of Mythology ( especially the Grail Romances ) I alway enjoyed Wagner and his ambition..Not an easy task but well worth the effort. We all benefit as a result…Tolstoy was perceived as anti-semitic as well. Revisionist history is what it is
suspect through motive….Some folks would hear “Grand ol Flag”as an anti-immigrant fascist imperialist anthem instead of what it was…A patriotic show tune…sheeesh!

I look forward to the next installment…Thanks.

]]> By: uppity woman http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7067/music-and-the-thought-police/#comment-1063399 uppity woman Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:56:21 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7067#comment-1063399 Garlic noses demand equal PUCCINI time! Garlic noses demand equal PUCCINI time!

]]> By: uppity woman http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7067/music-and-the-thought-police/#comment-1063396 uppity woman Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:55:25 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7067#comment-1063396 I'm sure you didn't intend to show your own lack of culture. Classical music is timeless. In 100 years nobody will know who Ludicris was. And they won't know who you were either. I’m sure you didn’t intend to show your own lack of culture. Classical music is timeless. In 100 years nobody will know who Ludicris was. And they won’t know who you were either.

]]> By: uppity woman http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7067/music-and-the-thought-police/#comment-1063394 uppity woman Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:50:18 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7067#comment-1063394 <blockquote>It’s not possible for the music to be offensive and the dead composer cannot profit from anyone listening to it.</blockquote> Yes indeed you are correct. You might say the dead composer is DEcomposing as we speak!

It’s not possible for the music to be offensive and the dead composer cannot profit from anyone listening to it.

Yes indeed you are correct. You might say the dead composer is DEcomposing as we speak!

]]> By: melisa http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7067/music-and-the-thought-police/#comment-1063224 melisa Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:11:23 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7067#comment-1063224 well, need to give the answer, I guess ...even when disaster stares them in the face, they feel neither doubt nor remorse... Sound familiar? well, need to give the answer, I guess
…even when disaster stares them in the face, they feel neither doubt nor remorse…
Sound familiar?

]]> By: Patrick Henry http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7067/music-and-the-thought-police/#comment-1063139 Patrick Henry Thu, 27 Nov 2008 05:28:32 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7067#comment-1063139 Herr Grumpy.... I thought that Video was Interesting History..An appreciation of Music is worthwhile...I can enjoy Wagner or the Moody Blues...Music and compositions... However...I understand the Real Intent of That Music being played in Bugs Bunny was intended to represent Good over Evil..and the Meaning Was... Save the Wabbit....Save the Wabbit...Save the Wabbit... What seems to be...Is not always as it seems to Be.. Happy Thanksgiving... Thank God For FREEDOM...Speech and Opinions Included.. Herr Grumpy….

I thought that Video was Interesting History..An appreciation of Music is worthwhile…I can enjoy
Wagner or the Moody Blues…Music and compositions…

However…I understand the Real Intent of That Music being played in Bugs Bunny was intended to represent Good over Evil..and the Meaning Was…

Save the Wabbit….Save the Wabbit…Save the Wabbit…

What seems to be…Is not always as it seems to Be..

Happy Thanksgiving…

Thank God For FREEDOM…Speech and Opinions Included..

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