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Bill Clinton to the Rescue, because it is so obvious that Obama hasn’t a clue

By SusanUnPC on November 27, 2008 at 4:47 PM in Current Affairs

I hope I’m wrong. I hope Larry is pissed off by my title, and writes a retort. Come on, Larry. Show me how wrong I am. I had no idea about all of this news until just a few moments ago when I heard the report about Bill Clinton being a “peace envoy” between Pakistan and India. Then I stumbled upon the following. Lordy.

(1) From INDIAWEST, November 13, 2008:

In an interview with Time magazine last month, Obama indicated his intention of appointing former President Bill Clinton as a special envoy to Kashmir and said he had spoken to Clinton about the matter over lunch in Harlem. Clinton successfully intervened in the 1999 Kargil conflict between India and Pakistan.

(2) From “India reels over Obama’s silence, Asia Times, November 12, 2008:

Diplomatic predicaments can at times be almost laughable. Indian officials were scurrying around like headless chickens because 120 anxious hours had passed and United States president-elect Barack Obama had not yet put a phone call through to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh – as he has done to at least nine other heads of state.

The Indians could learn a thing or two from the Kremlin. Russian President Dmitry Medvedev found himself exactly in Manmohan’s predicament when by November 8 his Kremlin telephone still had not rung. But 43-year-old Medvedev did a smart thing.

He put a call through to Chicago to the 47-year old president-elect. The Kremlin thereupon went ahead and publicized the conversation in an upbeat account. A budding controversy was nipped before it could blossom. …

I’m left speechless. Utterly speechless. Okay, so the Indians, from this particular reporter’s POV, overreacted, but honest to god. Obama wasn’t calling these world leaders? We know he didn’t know the man’s name during the primaries — and had to turn his head to Hillary during the debate in the desperate hope she’d know the Russian leader’s name — but he didn’t even call Medvedev after the election? My goodness.

(3) From the “Test of Barack Obama’s mettle as president-elect forms emergency team,” The Australian, November 28, 2008, the key sentence, to which MSNBC referred earlier today:

Mr Obama has also said previously he had spoken to former US president Bill Clinton about playing the role of peace envoy in the flashpoint border region between India and Pakistan in Kashmir.

Full story:

US president-elect Barack Obama’s stance on national security and terrorism is sharply back in focus following the terror attacks in Mumbai, just days before he announces the leading members of his national security team.

Mr Obama set up an emergency advisory team yesterday to co-ordinate with the diplomatic and intelligence arms of the Bush administration.

Mr Obama, as a president-elect, has access to Washington’s classified intelligence reports and is receiving the President’s daily brief from the security and intelligence apparatus. But intelligence officials in Washington were scrambling to ascertain the nature of the attacks, which did not include the al-Qa’ida hallmark of suicide bombers. …

The intelligence community had been expecting a spectacular terrorist act during the transition phase of power in Washington and attacks on one of the US’s most important allies in the subcontinent adds a layer of complexity to a transition so far dominated by the economic crisis.

A suicide car bomb in the Afghan capital of Kabul, which killed at least four yesterday, was also seen as a test of the incoming leader’s authority.

Mr Obama is expected to reveal his national security, defence and diplomatic appointments next Monday.

The Bush administration’s Defence Secretary, Robert Gates, will stay on for at least a year.

Mr Obama is inheriting a complex set of challenges.

In late October, just a few weeks before the election, Mr Obama’s vice-presidential running mate, Joe Biden, said Mr Obama would be tested.

“It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama, like they did John Kennedy,” Mr Biden said.

“The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”

Security analysts fear yesterday’s attacks could be a harbinger of more destabilising acts on the subcontinent as Islamic extremist leaders eye shifting world opinion following Mr Obama’s election.

Moderate Muslims around the world have been intrigued by Mr Obama’s victory in the US and analysts say this has been unsettling Muslim fundamentalists who fear they could be on the losing end of the public relations battle if Washington is seen in a better light following eight years of the Bush administration.

Mr Obama has also said previously he had spoken to former US president Bill Clinton about playing the role of peace envoy in the flashpoint border region between India and Pakistan in Kashmir.

In a statement from Mr Obama’s transition headquarters in Chicago, the incoming president – he will be sworn in to office on January 20 – condemned the terrorist attacks. “These co-ordinated attacks on innocent civilians demonstrate the grave and urgent threat of terrorism,” said Brooke Anderson, Mr Obama’s chief national security spokeswoman.

“The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks.

“We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than thehateful ideology that led to these attacks.”

The confusion over who was responsible added to the fear thata new Islamic extremist group was opening up a new front on Western targets in India, a critical ally to the West with a Muslim population of more than 150 million.

  • Galt

    nasuS, we should not be surprised as the soon to be president of the Keystone Cops takes the reigns.

    Care for a cocktail as we watch? I don’t know what else to do. We valiantly tried to warn the electorate.

    • beebop

      So … are we to assume that this is one of those situations where there aren’t two presidents? I guess it’s only fun to upstage the one who is still in office when the news is good? What a joke. Faux President.

      • Galt

        Dejua vu city. Here we go again. The right wing supported Bush no matter how bad his judgment was. Now we will witness the left wing do the same with Chockablock Opampers. Wow, a twofer! Two faux presidents in a row. This is what happens when most people are apathetic and don’t vote and the media, corporations and pols decide who should lead us and what doom and gloom to hype up for the next war for profit or “bailout.” –The Oracle at Galt’s Pizza Parlor. :shock:

        Both sides are getting their pocket’s picked by this alternating tag team. In essence, there is no right or left president, just one large criminal enterprise of good cop and bad cop. Excuse the apparently illogical mixed metaphor of criminals and law enforcement. :mrgreen:

        • Joe

          This is what happens when most people are apathetic and don’t vote and the media, corporations and pols decide who should lead us and what doom and gloom

          It’s my firm opinion the people voted for Hillary Clinton, having little control over the final electoral results.

          • Galt

            I agree. As I have been saying, neither side of activists had anything to say in this election. We were all duking it out when the fix was in. This election was basically decided in a smoke filled backroom deal, per se. This was a sham election from the get go just like the theater we saw leading up to the second Iraq war. I’m really tired of all this window dressing nonsense our “leaders” try to scam us with.

        • Ferd Berfle

          This is what happens when most people are apathetic and don’t vote and the media,

          With all due respect, Galt, I think this is what happens when people who aren’t smart enough to know he grave they have dug themselves from the shovel they used to make it are allowed to vote. That’s why they never stopped digging.

          Beware the power of stupid peple in large groups.

          • Joe

            Beware the power of stupid peple in large groups.

            Oh, the American corporate press, you mean?

            I agree, they ARE the sheep they despise.

            David Broder today, in the WAPO, refers to Obama as a “brain.”

            On what fucking planet?

            At one point, and this is just anecdote, I was watching the news during the general campaign (and I supported neither candidate, Obama, nor McCain, I would have only voted for Clinton), anyway, I caught a brief camera shot of McCain, early on, looking bewildered, completely out of it.

            And I thought, based on the prior slanted coverage of Clinton, he, McCain, didn’t have a chance, if the network news was portraying him as hapless.

            When the press coverage is so skewed you can tell by the camera shot who will win the election, something is wrong.

            But those corporate “masters” got what they wanted, I’m wondering if they’re having second thoughts, now.

            “Real terrorism,” so to speak?

            Gonna call Soros, Geffen, gonna pull the Atwater press trick, gonna send your business partner to talk it over with Putin’s oil guy?

            ROTFLMAO

            Good thing they have the Clintons, and some of the betters from the Clinton staff — I just hope they don’t fall back on that second tier garbage, such as Holder, conveying ambiguity in regard to closing GITMO, say.

            Closing GITMO sends a message to the “terrorists” — we will not be intimdated by your acts of violence, we will not be afraid, or change our country, our laws, ie, we can handle you, and before breakfast, while making lunch.

            But, you know, we’re already used to Bush’s failed policies, if Obama choses to continue them, it’s same old, old hat.

            It’s my impression they have no understanding, whatsoever, as to what they’re facing.

            Kinda hard to DUMB it down, anymore, for them, I would think…

            • Ferd Berfle

              Oh, the American corporate press, you mean?

              Actually, no. I mean the functionaly addle-brained morons that believed the crap coming from the MSM during this election cycle. When I’m told something, I can choose to believe it, not to believe it, or to actually do some investigation to discern the truth. It isn’t up to the MSM to do it for me, although it would be nice if they were at least unbiased.

              When Americans can’t find neighboring countries on a map or think that Al Qaeda was working with Sadam Hussein or that fluoride added to drinking water is a communist plot or that cavemen walked with dinosaurs, I’m of the opinion we’re on the downward slope from former greatness.

              • Joe

                I understand your point, but I disagree, entirely.

                I place blame with a press that is violating the public trust.

                • trixta

                  The last time we had a genuine press was during the Watergate. Things went down hill very fast after that. Indeed, the right wing decided to either sue networks (i.e. CBS) for their investigative reporting or simply tried to buy as much of the media as possible. Unfortunately, there is very little difference between the Left and Right these days, as these elections have proven.

              • Joe

                And again, the points you fault the public for are really those of the press.

          • Galt

            Beware the power of stupid peple in large groups.re the power of stupid peple in large groups

            Ferd, if you recall, Hillary won the nomination, assuming the process was not rigged. So the people got it right in this case.

            • Ferd Berfle

              Happy Thanksgiving, Galt.

              I see our point, but if she did indeed win the nomination, then it was stolen and the American people were still stupid by voting That One, who caused it to be stolen, into office.

              We have been had three straight election cycles. You would think that once would have been sufficient.

              • Ferd Berfle

                That should read, “I see your point”.

                • Galt

                  Almost.

                  There was also cheating in the GE, illegal cash and the MSM propaganda — McCain could possibly have won if the playing field was not a minefield of unfairness.

                  • Ferd Berfle

                    Yeah, the election was bought–I’d agree to that.

                    Ultimately, we have been saddled with another me-first-er and am I depressed about it.

        • TeakWoodKite

          Both sides are getting their pocket’s picked by this alternating tag team

          Please sir? May I have some more?

          Robin Hood, what a crook:
          Gave away all he took.
          Charity’s fine, subscribe to mine.
          Get out and pick a pocket or two.
          You’ve got to pick a pocket or two, boys,
          You’ve got to pick a pocket or two.
          BOYS: Robin Hood was far too good.
          Get out and pick a pocket or two.
          FAGIN: Watch the beat, boys!

          . Oliver Twist.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82qCwLX9piE Woman Voter

      Presidential Hopeful Barack Obama Calls India Memo Attacking Hillary Clinton ‘Dumb Mistake’
      http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284156,00.html
      In an interview with The Associated Press, Obama disavowed the memo which carried the headline — “Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab) — and referred to Bill and Hillary Clintons’ investments in India; her fundraising among Indian-Americans; and the former president’s $300,000 in speech fees from Cisco, a company that has moved U.S. jobs to India.

      “It was a dumb mistake on our campaign’s part and I made it clear to my staff in no uncertain terms that it was a mistake,” Obama told the AP in a brief interview in which he referred to the memo as “unnecessarily caustic.”
      ………….

      Do people remember the “Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab)” memo? Yea, I think it is a better idea to send a Clinton since it hasn’t even been a year since the ‘dumb’ insulting memo was sent out.

      • TeakWoodKite

        woman Voter, see? :)
        He does say these things.

        He can’t take them back. He did MEAN it when the memo went out.

        It is fine to distance yourself from a rookie mistake, but as you may well recall, it was at least a week of that memo bouncing around, that BO even wagged his tonugue to patronize Hillary as he had ““unnecessarily caustic.”

        • trixta

          Will BO take back the charges of racism against the Clintons? I’m still waiting for that apology.

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  • interested party

    The Asia Times article covers a lot of ground, but this stands out:

    Delhi finds it appalling that Obama phoned Pakistani leader Asif Zardari on Saturday and the two leaders reportedly discussed the Kashmir issue. External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee promptly reacted, invoking the Simla Accord of 1972 as the cornerstone of India-Pakistan relations, which rules out third-party mediation over the disputed territory of Kashmir.

    It is a long while since an Indian statesman mentioned the Simla Accord. It is a “back-off” message and it comes amid reports that in a move to inspire Islamabad to perform better in the “war on terror”, the incoming US administration may coax India into a settlement of the Kashmir problem…

    The issues here are not only India and Pakistan, but but the war in Afghanistan, India’s role as a nuclear nation, the containment of China, and a host of others.

    Lets hope Obama has his 3 am phone hooked-up and he won’t need 300 advisers to make a decision.

    • Strawberrybitch

      So is Barky unaware of the accord or is he just blowing it off? Ugh. We should have just elected Hillary and cut out the middle of the road man.

      • Carol

        No Shit Sherlock!

        I’m sure she won the primaries! I sure McCain won the election! But no one would like to look into the election fraud perpetrated by the Obama crooks and the DNC!

        CAROL HAKA :evil:

      • Carol

        No Sh*t Sherlock!

        I’m sure she won the primaries! I sure McCain won the election! But no one would like to look into the election fraud perpetrated by the Obama crooks and the DNC!

        CAROL HAKA :evil:

  • rls

    He was just voting present.

  • hadenough

    The Big Dog and Hillary are respected and even loved by most of the know world. Not because of campaign promises and not because the “liberal media” pimped them for 18 months. But because of what they both did, their actions, during the 8 years of the Clinton presidency. Some need to get over that.

  • hootnannie

    Bill and Hillary will certainly have to be the old salts telling this shaky new captain what to do. Thank God Obama (or some influential advisor) had the horse sense to see that the Clintons will be around to steer the ship of state!

    • desgans

      FRANCE

      Franchement à quoi il sert ce Obama !

  • Galt

    Excuse this OT but the thread I want to post it on won’t let me (spam filter issue). This was meant for the India-Pakistan thread:

    Some personal thoughts more towards the philosophical as I am certainly no expert on counterterrorism: Somewhere in between the hawks and the doves we will find a solution to conflict if we seek it. I see the need for defense and even offensive action on occasion, but we are missing a solution somewhere here. Its something I like to think about. Another that I like to think about is at one time the founders of Israel were considered terrorists. These terrorists transitioned into a country. Mind you I am not trying to justify violence. The conflict in Northern Ireland is another example.

    I wish there was a way those in the India-Pakistan conflict would resolve their differences peacefully. And if India is attacked, they have the right to defend themselves. But where does this stop? Attack, counter attack, counter counter attack, ad infinitum. I have no answers for humanity other than discussion that seeks a new direction and ideas to implement them is in tall order. If you think about it, the hawks and doves have had their chance. I think it is time for a new direction. I think Hillary and McCain understand this and would like to move us in this third direction.

  • Steve_in_KC

    Boy, you have to admire the Democratic strategies at play here. Knowing that if Hillary got the nomination, the Republicans would turn out in droves, urged on by the full force of the Clinton-hating right, they wisely made a show of her losing the primaries to a novice who is unqualified to be president because of his place of birth. They kept it all a big secret, playing up the rivalry between the Clintons and the sweet-talking Obama. The Republicans didn’t know how to run against Obama without looking like jerks.

    Meanwhile, the Clintons were pulling all the strings and garnering new-found sympathy and respect from the Democrats that didn’t like them. The real stroke of genius was keeping her off the ticket as VP until after the election, putting in the clueless Biden.

    When Obama is disqualified by the Supreme Court, and Biden is bumped up to President-elect, the Dems will give Hillary the nod to step in as VP. Then Biden will resign in January for health reasons, and Hill takes the oath of office. Bill moves his office into the West Wing, and they bring in a new VP, someone like Governor Deval Patrick, to allay the racial tensions after Obama is ousted.

    Brilliantly played! The Republicans never knew what hit them!

    You gotta hand it to Dean and Brazille. They executed this thing flawlessly.

    /snark

    • Galt

      We can only dream some of your snark manifests into reality. :shock:

    • http://cinie.wordpress.com Cinie

      You call it snark, I call it prayer.

      • Steve_in_KC

        Actually, it’s my own wishful thinking running rampant! :)

        • http://noquarterusa.net/ NoQuarter

          Don’t be so kindly, Steve, although I know you just enough to know you’re good hearted.

          It was great snark, and deserved. Visit a No Quarter Radio show and watch the conspiracy theorists hijack the live chat, ignoring the radio show the entire time, and you’ll be forever fed up. I am. Rude, self-obsessed, delusional… they are all of that and more. I’ve had it. The delusional can all go to Atlas Shrugs as far as I’m concerned. They embarrass me. We need realists here.

          • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

            I guess there are advantages of rural dial-up — I get spitting angry about so many other things that are REAL — I don’t need conspiracy theories. Even getting Internet radio seems to be more than antique phone lines can handle.

          • Steve_in_KC

            I’m no conspiracist. I’ve heard that fantasy brayed about for a long time, and it would be a great movie plot, not likely reality.

            Believe me, I know the political realities. :(

        • bemused

          I see you are writing and re-writing the best possible miraculous finish to this mess as the story unfolds. I like your version better than mine. :)

        • trixta

          Mine too!

      • NewlyIndependent

        You call it snark, I call it prayer.

        LOL!!! Really!

        From your keyboard to God’s eyes…..

    • IBI

      I thought that if BO is found ineligible by Supreme Court BEFORE Dec. 15 (ie, before electors meet), the DNC can substitute another name for electors to vote on as President (eg, Hillary). Thus she could be elected by electors on Dec. 15 (16th?), with Biden as VP.

      If BO is found ineligible AFTER Dec. 15 (when electors have voted) but before Jan. 20, then Biden would be inaugurated because by that time he really has been elected as VP.

  • HARP

    When they mentioned the Indians, Obama probably wondered if they were Apache or Navajo.

    • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

      Obama and a majority of Americans who couldn’t find India or Pakistan (Iraq) on a world map if their lives depended on it.

      Isn’t Geography being taught in school any more?

      Nobody listens to us Cassandras –

      • Seattle Moss

        NW Rain,

        40% are unable to find Mexico on a map

        and we are trying to have strategic discussions with these folks…Sad!

        • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

          And these people probably voted for Obama —

          Obama didn’t even know which state was South of Illinois — and he didn’t even know much about Oregon — or even the Great Lakes.

          Someone once remarked that Americans don’t know where other countries are until our military is sent — then the news media might cover the action and show a MAP or two.

          Perhaps Americans don’t have any comprehension of where they are in the world? When I lived on the East coast ages ago most people in Eastern Mass concept of south was Connecticut. Not the Southern US or even Mexico — but Connecticut. When I spent a summer in Europe — students from the East Coast had never been west in the US and had no comprehension of the vastness of their own nation.

          Obama just has no concept of Global politics and he is another in-curious being — just like GWB.

          • Seattle Moss

            NW
            When I first moved to the region 20 years ago I was happy to tell folks in the mid west why I was so happy to move to Seattle. I talked about the mountains and the bald eagles and of course the life nourishing rains.
            Here is a response that sticks out…You’re moving to Seattle..That’s close to San Diego.
            When I said I love the mountains and the clear air….The guy said..You can’t build houses on mountains.
            I give up on these people!

            • stodgie

              at least he won’t be your neighbor. smile!

            • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

              Yep — when we showed slides of the Pacific Northwest to people on the east coast — years ago — they though that we were using tricks to make the trees look so big.

              As you know the trees here are HUGE!

              I feel like I’m pulling up my draw bridge and let the world crash and burn — that seems to be what people really want to do.

              The ONE good thing about the eruption of Mt. St. Helens in 1980 — was that the ash went east and also down to Texas — people got a clue about geography and wind patterns and how something that happens on the WEST coast can indeed impact vast areas in the east because of wind patterns.

              • stodgie

                nwrain, when i read about the history of volcanic eruptions, it gave me a new insight. very powerful!

                • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

                  The Mt.St. Helens eruption was very powerful — I was outside (about 150 miles north) and HEARD the blast. There were a series of blasts which sounded like sonic booms. The blast was lateral — and north — which is why so many of us heard it.

                  Anyway the ash had to go all the way around the world before reaching us living northwest of the blast.

                  I’ve spent most of my life living near volcanoes — active volcanoes. The Pacific has the ring of fire — North to Alaska, west to Japan around the Pacific to South America, then Mexico, and California, Oregon and back to Washington. Each of these regions could be devastated by volcanoes — which has the potential for massive destruction.

                  As GWB found out — mom Nature has some village wrecking skills. And he wasn’t prepared — he had lots of advisers but he was unable to make critical decisions because he didn’t have the basic information in order to deal with a crisis.

                  WE understand this — but the Obamabots who keep coming demanding that we bow down and acknowledge their messiah — these poor folk just don’t get it.

                  In Washington we had a Governor at the time who didn’t understand how to manage a crisis — she was an Academic — smart — but she had dealt with the abstract of the Academic world. She wanted nuclear power. Yet she didn’t see the massive electric power potential of the VOLCANOES. (Geothermal electrical power potential — water at great depth being heated — this as close to green energy as we can get.)

                  Obama is another Academic (gadfly) — and we are in deep sh**.

                  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

                    I still remember watching the huge cloud of Mt. St, Helen’s ash blacken the sky completely in Eastern Washington and of being stranded for three days before we could get back home. The state patrol wouldn’t let anyone travel. We backpacked into a grocery store to get supplies – in the city no less!

                    I had stack of air filters in the trunk of my car since they had to be changed about every 100 miles because of the destructiveness of the ash on engines.

                    Dixie Lee Ray…and Obama…we are in deep shyt.

                    • TeakWoodKite

                      A person I knew was camping in the area around Mt. St, Helen, to the west and they found him with in an inch of his life, after he had crawled for three days down a river bed. He was was very lucky.

                      Northwest rain, he described the sound in much the same way as you…

                      It is a remarkable amount of power that can blow off the side of a mountain like that.

                    • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

                      The photos of that event still make my jaw drop. The whole side of the mountain was BLOWN out. And then the ash went straight up and drifted to Eastern Washington — where we have Buzz Latte’s eye witness account of events under that huge ash cloud. The piles of ash can still be seen here and there in rural eastern Washington.

                      Ironically there is an island in the Caribbean with a volcano — I was there when it erupted a couple of years ago. It sounded like thunder — but different. Once you’ve heard that sound you know.

                      I prefer the Hawaiian volcanoes — just oozing lava, not the explosive type like in Washington State and the Caribbean.

                      That camper who was in the blast zone of Mt.St. Helen was lucky to survive. Gov. Ray ignored the Scientists and listened to the lumber companies — but even the scientist didn’t predict how large a boom and blast really were. The problem with scientists, especially the vulcanologist, they are guessing what might happen, based on what they see in the old blast zones.

                      And then there are the Academic gadflies who go from volcano hots spots trying to “predict” an event — if they “guess” correctly — then the Academic gadflies will make a name for themselves.

                      Obama is another Academic gadfly — he thinks he knows stuff — because he thinks he is smart. BUT he doesn’t have a written record to prove his claims.

                      Yep — Academic gadfly — with no real knowledge of how even the legislative process works. An editor who hasn’t written articles for publication.

                      Anyone know Academic gadflies?

          • TeakWoodKite

            students from the East Coast had never been west in the US and had no comprehension of the vastness of their own nation.

            True statement.

            • KintheNorthwest

              I remember one of my daughters talking to someone from Texas about an earthquake and being called a liar.
              The Texas child said that if they had not felt it in Texas then there was no earthquake. They thought an earthquake meant the whole earth(planet) shook. The child was a 7th grade honor roll student.

              Hmmmmm.

          • rolling_thunder

            Hell they don’t even know where Alaska is or anything else about it! No child left beind?

      • andrew191

        Do you think that Pakistan and Iraq are the same country? They don’t even share a common border. When you list a country the way you did, “Pakistan(Iraq)” the implication is that it is the same country known by two names like Sri Lanka (Ceylon), or Myanmar (Burma). Geography lessons courtesy of Cassandra.

        • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

          You are a sexist pig.

          • andrew191

            Let’s see, if I write objectively about history you call me a “racist pig”. If I question what seamed to be an erroneus geographical statement you call me a “sexist pig”. Both are instances of a non-sequiture thought process. I’ve observed that when the type of people that eagerly jump at every opportunity to call someone racist, or sexist, or any other foul epithet, they are PROJECTING!

    • Margaret

      And then, he probably thought they were talking about the first Thanksgiving

  • JB in VA

    It looks like the story of the obama presidency will be exactly like the story of his life: other people have all the experience and ideas, and do all the work, and he takes all the glory. It seems to be the one thing he’s good at.

    • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

      He’s lazy — he’ll need 3 or 4 hours for exercise. Then he’s going to need several naps. Probably he’ll retire early — sort of like GWB.

      It’s doubtful that he will have WRITTEN reports — probably all reports will be oral — these are easier to destroy —

      He hasn’t generated much paper up to now — it’s unlikely he’ll change his habits.

      Perhaps he’ll write a book — secrets of a successful lazy man.

  • justsomeone

    I thought Obama went to elementary school in Pakistan, doesn’t that count for knowing where it is on a map? I don’t understand. I ultimately couldn’t support Obama because of his tax plans (how was I to know 1/2 the country was getting nationalized during GWB’s final lame duck days, before Obama even takes office) but to criticize him for hiring the Clintons to globe trot, why doesn’t that make you all happy? Leadership isn’t doing everything yourself, in great part it’s delegating authority.

    • Ferd Berfle

      but to criticize him for hiring the Clintons to globe trot, why doesn’t that make you all happy?

      Because I would have preferred to have HRC as POTUS and let That One trot around the globe at her behest.

    • interested party

      try Indonesia

  • benny

    The Indians have a great deal of respect for Bill Clinton. But they dont trust Obama. The Indians dont want Bill to take up this job, cos they’ll have to oppose him.

    • pm317

      BC won’t agree to this. It shows Obama’s naivete about India and its history. He thinks he could play favorites and goad India to settle this issue with Pakistan. But it is never that simple. My fear is if he is seen as pro-Pakistan, bad guys may do more harm against India with more impunity.

  • justsomeone

    Those who may be inclined should check out ASTROTABLETALK.com for a Brit’s take on what’s happening or not happening with our Pres elect

    • rolling_thunder
    • kgirl1028

      LOL oh the brits are just figuring this out. I thought they loved obama. my biggest problem with obama has been that he is the wrong president for the wrong times. if this were 2000 I would have probably been call most of you racist (I know myself, and as much as I like to think i am not perfect), after the prosperous Clinton 90′s we could have tried out this lying, clueless, little narcissist with sociolist tendencies. But when you are fightening a war that has made you more prone to terrorism cause your last presedent was more worrried about filling his pocket than fighting a war and had to borrow money from communist China. You do not elect the lest qualified person you can find no matter how smart he may appear. And anyone who encorages you do so is trying to set you up for failure.

  • jbjd

    You divide your site into “conspiracy theorists” and “realists.” So, if based on countless hours of research, I have concluded Barack Obama is ineligible to be POTUS because he is not a natural born citizen as intended by the drafters of our Constitution; and I have concluded he and his troops know he is ineligible and have perpetrated a fraud on the American people; and I believe acquiescing to his Presidency is unpatriotic and, confronted with the vacuum of news and analysis on this issue by the MSM, try to incite the blogs to pick up the slack, which, in your judgment, describes me?

    The Electoral College votes on December 15. There are thousands of us out here who are racking our brains trying to come up with something, anything, that would persuade them from casting their votes for a candidate because he is popular when he may not be legal. Now that even the more ‘reasonable’ blogs are no longer a forum for civil disobedience, some of us have gravitated to other less credible sites. However, others of us remain behind, hoping to stem the tide of submission.

    • Ferd Berfle

      However, others of us remain behind, hoping to stem the tide of submission.

      I wish you all the luck in that endeavor. Judging from the attention span of the average American, however, I think That One is (shudder) going to be our next president.

    • Galt

      If it is true people who have questions on eligibility are being labeled as conspiracy theorists, I wholeheartedly disagree with this unfair label. I’m glad to see people exercising their right of free speech and redress of grievances and would never discourage it. If someone is thinking this is a hopeless endeavor I could see why they would rather have what they consider realists around them. So I guess this all depends on perspective.

      As seems usual on controversy I am in the middle on this issue. I don’t see these efforts working but support everyone’s right to pursue this, if they believe in it. I advise not getting discouraged by either Obama supporters or people who are out of steam and want to move on. Do what YOU believe in.

      • Ferd Berfle

        If it is true people who have questions on eligibility are being labeled as conspiracy theorists, I wholeheartedly disagree with this unfair label.

        It is an unfair label. As a minimum, they are doing us a service by acting as a check.

    • Joe

      Conspiracy theorists?

      You know, I get together with my friends, we might decide to talk about starting a business.

      Cheney gets together with his friends and he talks about invading Iraq, for oil.

      Is it really that much of a stretch?

      How do the very wealthy but kind of dumb, think?

      • Ferd Berfle

        You know, I get together with my friends, we might decide to talk about starting a business.

        Cheney gets together with his friends and he talks about invading Iraq, for oil.

        Is it really that much of a stretch?

        It isn’t much of a stretch at all. I have never trusted Cheney since he was Ford’s Chief of Staff. There is something distinctly unsettling about a man who never seems to be around when disaster strikes.

        • Joe

          I agree.

          Do you see him as intelligent?

          • Ferd Berfle

            He’s intelligent but also amoral. His eyes are dead, to boot. I believe he scared the crap out of Dubya and was the real power the last 8 years. I would love to see him brought before the bar of justice, if only to find out what goes on in that warped little mind of his.

    • kgirl1028

      As much as i would love for this to work, after seeing obama dodge bullet after bullet, I have come as much to term with obama being president with a nice cool apathy that passes all understanding. the next four to eight years are going to be ugly, but hey that’s what people want so give it to them. I have neatly folded most of my hopes placed them in a sealed container with moth balls. if I can get to 39 with a job, a roof over my head, and a working automobile I will be happy.

      • trixta

        You said it, kgirl!

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  • noname

    Guys, Obama should do fine in India – though mayn’t be in an American free way. India has a little problem with elite power brokers who have disproportionate share of power in the country, that they derive from socialists of europe and USA. So until Bill Clinton condemned the Kashmir massacres during his presidency, half of the elite thought if it is inappropriate to talk in a harsh language to terrorists. It is politically incorrect to say “Islamic terrorists” in India. Thus we have so many variety of fate upon us – including maoists, Islamic terrorists, and plain political power brokers who can trade options of Arcon and Bill Ayers. I believe lot of the power brokers, including media is favorably disposed towards Obama. He will do just fine.

  • first history

    If Bill does serve as a Pak/India he:

    1) Will have his work cut out for him given the terrorist attacks yesterday; an

    2) Since he will be sleeping (hopefully) with the Secretary of State reporting his findings will be easy.

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