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Bumped Up. Chicago’s Teacher’s Strike Enters Week 2 Today

There is a terrific piece at Hot Air scribed by one Matt Vespa. Here is the key paragraph:

As the Chicago teachers’ strike continues, we’ve learned that they make $71-76,000 a year and they turned down a 16% pay increase, which amounts to $11,360. They work nine months out of the year, but say that this strike is benefits oriented. However, given that ABC World News didn’t even air this story last Sunday and most of the media, with the exception of CBS, failing to mention the compensation statistics in their broadcast – suffice to say that the media will probably ignore the fact that almost 40% of Chicago’s public school teachers send their kids to private schools.

The choice of liberals is no choice for the average American.

I encourage you to go read Vespa’s entire piece. It is a stunner.

  • mumphrey

    You people suck. You really do. I can’t tell if you’re as un-self aware as you seem to be or if you know what you’re doing ad saying and doing it anyway to help your cause. That is to say, I can’t tell, as the Daily Show so well put it, if you’re on Team Evil or Team Stupid.

    Whichever it is, I don’t guess it means much either way. You’re still all for screwing the students if it helps you bust the unions. Congratulations. You’re all two-faced weasels. I’ll let an actual teacher put this far better than I could:

    “The reality is that you can’t be pro-education and anti-educator. Not just in the sense that you shouldn’t be, ethically, although I certainly believe that. I mean the notion that you can say that you care about education while working relentlessly to attack our actual teachers is nonsensical. If you want to attack our teachers as “overpaid,” OK. Go ahead. But you don’t get to pretend that you give a shit about education. If you don’t have a problem with celebrity dog trainers who make 7 figures or personal stylists who make $5,000 a consultation or people who sell artisanal moonshine for $400 a bottle, but you have a problem with teachers working in one of the most difficult teaching environments in the country making $75K a year, hey, alright. But save me the platitudes. Save me your chest-beating and your weeping for the children, the children. Quality health insurance, pensions, job security, a strong union to represent your self-interest: these are the only tools we have to attract people into this profession, when so many other educated professions make so much more. Advocate the end of those benefits and you declare yourself an enemy of education. You make it plain that you don’t actually value it with the only currency we care about in this culture, hard cash. You are saying that you don’t really value what you say you value. Period.”

  • HObama HObamanana

    Now I don’t know this to be true, but the sources I am in contact with have informed me that Karen Lewis, the President of the Chicago Teachers Association, has decided to play hardball with Rahm Emanuel. She has vowed to go on a hunger strike until her demands are met. Lewis has allegedly threatened to quit eating until she is as skinny as Emanuel. Rahm was unavailable for comment, but rumor has it that he declared an emergency meeting with his cabinet to craft a plan to educate Chicago’s children until at least Spring.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ND2FCCGVV2IZTTAZQTXKJTCPNI Ruth

      thanks for the info hobama! i looked at a video of this woman. geez! i would walk out the door and go to prviate school teaching than be involved with a union with her around. she is bad news.

  • lola828

    Another simpleton post by Larry Johnson. What is the point of your post? Are you claiming that Chicago Teachers get paid too much? Bullshit. You have not proven that. The cost of living in any big city is very high, so hard to just look at income. Second compared to the amount of education a Teacher requires, their income in actually quite low. Studies that compare salaries, days worked and benefits have shown that Teachers do NOT make more than other comparable occupations. “The analysis found that public school teachers make 94 cents for every dollar earned by workers in 16 comparable occupations, according to the Census Bureau’s American Community Survey data from 2010.” http://abcnews.go.com/Business/chicago-public-school-teachers-highlight-perennial-debate-teacher/story?id=17202417 As far as the other claims in your HotAir piece (nice credible source of your information): “turned down a 16% pay increase, which amounts to $11,360.” Yeah, that is 16% over 4 years. Many teachers in Chicago have had no pay increases in years. and “40% of Chicago’s public school teachers send their kids to private schools.” Is there any proof of this 40% stat? Seems like bullshit and there would be no way to know that? Nobody is sending their kids to private school with only a $71,000 income or even if you household income in $100,000. Just curious Larry Johnson how much money do you make as a Pentagon contactor? Do you think you merit your income, given the value you add to society?

    • http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      Okay, lola828, you say the teachers are paid too much at $76K for 9-months work (and the shortest school years among large cities), with nearly 100% paid health care, and other benefits that incredibly few other people get. And you say, seriously, that these same teachers are not overpaid when their students, by a vast majority fail to show competency in the topics taught or to even graduate from school?
      And you simply show your ignorance by not looking up the stats yourself. Are they simply inconvenient or are they at locations and sources not on your talking points or approved reading list? The 40% in private school is more exactly 39.1% as reported by the Thomas B. Fordham Institute.
      Here, add this to your reading list: http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/15/almost-40-of-chicagos-public-school-teachers-send-their-kids-elsewhere-to-learn/

      • lola828

        Your first sentence does not even make sense.
        I think Chicago school teachers deserve every cent they get.
        A 76K job in a big city like Chicago is no big deal for a profession like teaching that required graduate degrees. An average STARTING salary for an MBA in a big city like Chicago is over $100,000.
        Thomas B. Fordham Institute? A conservative funded ThinkTank/lobby organization. How would they know how many teachers send their kids to private school? Did they ask all of them?

        • http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

          Sorry you are having trouble reading English. Were you educated in Chicago?

          Now, how about addressing the question put directly to you after your rude and ignorant comments in another discussion:
          “So, lola828, you’d rather throw insults around than answer the question in a reasoned, mature manner? Figures. As others say, you really are not worth engaging as you are too immature to converse with and likely limited by your daily talking points.

          Personally, if you were serious about a conversation, you’d step out from your anonymity and write politely and intelligently. Would you care to put your name and face on your words? I suspect, instead, that you don’t want anyone to know the trash your write as your co-workers, friends, and family would be highly embarrassed at what you write. Else, maybe you’d have to admit paid association with Obama and others supporting Obama?”

          Lola828, we are still waiting.

          • Hokma

            Matt – this guy lives in a basement in his mother’s house and his entire body of information is from Google searches.

          • lola828

            Another dumb response from you.

            What question are you waiting to be answered?

            You make a lot of unsubstantiated claims.
            Can you prove your statement:

            “a vast majority fail to show competency in the topics taught or to even graduate from school?”

            Where do you get that from?

            Blaming the teacher is a complete cope out. The poverty level is much more coorelated to test scores.

            You do not even know what this strike is about. It has nothing to do with healthcare, as you said in another post, and it has nothing to do with wages. It has everything to do with Teacher hiring and evaluation, which I am sure you are equally ignorant about.

            If Teachers are going to be entirely held responsible for the performance of their students then you might as well fire all Teachers that teach in the poorest areas, as that is where the students perform the worse. There is also very little value in teaching toward a test.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/ND2FCCGVV2IZTTAZQTXKJTCPNI Ruth

          lol lola! i see you are a product of bad teachers.

  • KenoshaMarge

    Rahm to Sue Chicago Teachers

    The Chicago teachers union has decided to continue their strike, depriving students of teachers for another week, entrenching an increasingly public and bitter labor dispute.

    Reports said that the union’s delegates would meet on Tuesday, meaning that schools in the nation’s third largest school district would be unlikely to open before Wednesday.
    Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel has now threatened to sue to force the end of the strike and force the unions back into the classrooms to teach Chicago children.

    more: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2012/09/16/rahm_to_sue_chicago_teachers

    Democrats and Unions in a tiff? How fortunate for the Dems that the Middle-East is in one of its periodic meltdowns and the media drones are following that story, mostly how Mitt Romney is the enemy and not al Quada, instead of reporting on the Chicago strike.

    But then the MSM, traitors to their duty that they are, seldom report anything that would be detrimental to their hero getting re-elected.

    • http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      “…depriving the sudents of teachers for another week.” Considering the incredibly high failure rate in Chicago, this might be a blessing in disquise. Rahm Emanuel should simply get a court order to return to work, then fire every teacher that doesn’t immediately comply. Obama will continue to vote present; Rahm can hire some new teachers, and maybe, just maybe, the education system in Chicago might improve.

      • KenoshaMarge

        I’m all for hiring some “new” teachers. The ones they have are failures. I cannot understand how they have the gall to demand anything given how sadly they perform.

        The job of teachers is to teach. Something these people don’t seem to be able to do.

      • DianaLC

        This would be a great time for some of the larger charter school organizations to make massive inroads in the Chicago area. Go in now and offer to educate the children while they are waiting for their public school teachers to quit having socialist hissy fits, and give some discounts for signing up for the long run if they like what they get while the strike is on.

      • mumphrey

        It’s kind of funny when somebody who can’t even spell “disguise” slams teachers for being bad at their jobs. I know it’s kind of a cheap shot to knock somebody’s spelling, but, jeez, if you’re about to dump on teachers for not doing their jobs as well as you think they should, then take the time to look over your own bleatings.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Will the continued strike, especially now with Emanuel going to court, begin to affect Obama? Has he sided with the community or with the teacher’s union?

    • HARP2

      No teacher left behind.

    • KenoshaMarge

      Thus far it seems our “prezzy” is still voting present.

  • HoosierinDixie

    Breaking News: Chicago Mayor asking city lawyers to file injunction to immediately end the Teacher Strike. I am sure this is going to go over real well with the unions.

  • KenoshaMarge

    I used to have a great deal of respect for teachers and their profession. I am sure there are still wonderful teachers, somewhere, who inspire children as the ones who inspired me when I was a child.

    But I don’t think you find them in that disgusting crowd in Chicago.

    There was a time when I simply said that I respected teachers and totally disrespected Teacher’s Unions. Can’t say that any longer. So long as the teachers go along with the actions of their unions out of greed and fear of accountability they are unworthy of respect.

    The fact that they send their children to private school adds hypocrisy to the reasons to disrespect them.

    • HObama HObamanana

      You make a very valid point and I commend your courage for pointing out what should be obvious. The excuse that they are only following orders shouldn’t shield them from responsibility.

      • KenoshaMarge

        Only following orders is one thing, going along to get along and to get “more” is another.

        Doesn’t take courage to say what I believe to be true. I’ve been battered and bashed for that for quite some time. But never as frequently as since Obama came on the scene. Being called a “racist” was something new for me. Now, it doesn’t bother me when some race-baiting POS does it. What they call me means nothing compared to what I could/would/should call them.

        • HObama HObamanana

          I’ll admit to sometimes still being upset when someone calls me a racist. It offends me greatly. It offends me even more that our country is being run by a dangerous knucklehead that permits, even encourages such things. Perhaps I should start a religion of non-racists that get easily offended when someone calls us racists. Maybe then Obama would care about my feelings as much as he does those sensitive Muslims.

          • KenoshaMarge

            As Americans, our feelings don’t count. And if someone insults or demeans our religion, that doesn’t count either. At least not to our knucklehead president.

  • jrterrier

    And this must be very disruptive for the children and any parents who work. You simply cannot keep kids out of school this many days without it affecting their school habits.

    • http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      They’ve been out all summer, a few extra days won’t hurt. Especially in Chicago where most fail at the hands of these lousy, overpaid teachers.

  • HELENK2

    http://kdvr.com/2012/09/14/loveland-school-seizes-rosary-beads-to-fight-gangs/

    stories like this and some other reason one make our schools seem to stuck on stupid

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ND2FCCGVV2IZTTAZQTXKJTCPNI Ruth

      dumb down the masses so you can fool them.

  • HARP2

    [LEAKED VIDEO] Mitt Romney Talks About Bain Profitting From Chinese Slave Labor

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2J61379sEs&feature=player_embedded

    • jrterrier

      of course, we are not sure whether Bain bought the factory. but let’s not kid ourselves, everyone of us who owns an apple product or so many other items made
      in china also profit from that kind of slave labor.

      • http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

        And, seriously, do we really care if China uses ‘slave labor’ or not? Import products to put Americans out of business or out of work yes, but slave labor, that’s a Chinese problem for the Chinese to solve.

        • MG6

          The political elite has always enslaved their people…communist or not. It is up to the Chineses people to revolt against their enslavement by the elite, and create their own Democracies . Best yet! Let’s send them over our union organizers.

  • shelldoll2

    I are back. It seems someone, confirmed by Microsoft, hacked my computer. If I pay them enough they’ll find out who did it. Did I mention hacking is a felony?

    • HObama HObamanana

      Glad you are back and disinfected.

  • shelldoll2

    hello

  • HObama HObamanana

    The teachers within teachers unions aren’t just hypocrites, they are the root of what is wrong with our education system. These teachers are not judged upon results, they are judged upon tenure. Their definition of merit is how long they have been on the job and how much they can get away with while protected by their union thug bosses that constantly remind us how much the children will suffer if we don’t bow to their every desire.

    When teachers unions produce students that are ready for college then maybe I will have a sympathetic pocketbook for them. Until then I will speak out against them and vote against every single pay raise and school levy they request. They are a sham and a scam and it’s time we called them on it once and for all.

    • Steve_from_Racine_WI

      And always, always, mention how fat they are. When wrestling with pigs you gotta get a little dirty.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ND2FCCGVV2IZTTAZQTXKJTCPNI Ruth

      homabama, it is very hard for a good teacher to implement basic teaching in a room with students who won’t sit down and pay attention. first bring discipline back and real sanctions for those who disrupt the other students who want to learn. then get rid of the worthless teachers who just collect pay checks. i left teaching sometime back when i saw what was happening.

      • HObama HObamanana

        The discipline has to start at home. But I agree, there have to be actual sanctions against intentionally disruptive children. Having those sanctions apply toward their parents might be a good start. I’m not against teachers. I am against bad teachers. And I am completely opposed to teachers unions that permit teachers to be bad and protect and make excuses for them.

  • no_longer_a_democrat

    omg. 70K+??!?! I work 2-3 jobs and I don’t make that much. Do these people have any idea how much money that is! and that’s not even including their benefits!!

    I’m so tired of these unions. They served a good purpose in the past, making sure dangerous work conditions etc were no longer posing problems to the working man/woman, but now we have organized thuggery, and I would be fine with that level of pay, benefits if at least the results were good, but the kids aren’t even taught basic foundational skills they need!

    I know some very good teachers, very good, and frankly they should be paid even more than 70K! I also know some lazy a$$ teachers, who shouldn’t even be teachers, and they get paid a hell of a lot more because of tenure, that is so so unfair!, its unfair to good teachers, its unfair to kids, its unfair to parents, and its unfair to the taxpayer, who funds all this!!

  • DianaLC

    Vespa’s article has lots of good information. I find it incredible that we even have a Department of Education. Public education is NOT working, especially in the larger and poorer schools. And public education was first developed as a means to educate citizens for their role in a free society.
    Stossel’s show about charters vs public schools awhile back was did a great job of explaining why these large public school systems are not working, and–yes–it has a lot to do with UNIONS.
    But I also blame teacher education programs and certification programs all across the nation. And I blame the lame NCLB law. It’s heart was in the right place, but because it was written by education majors and not the content area teachers, it created a mess.
    In an answer to our dear lola to one of her comments to me–one she posted long after people were still commenting on the previous post about the Chicago teachers’ strike, I mentioned the fact that I hated the way teachers’ salaries were figured on the common scales–steps over for more college courses and steps up for more experience. It meant that I could be earning the same as a person who got years of experience for doing NOTHING in his classroom but play games because none of his students complained and that’s all the principal cared about, especially since he was also the baseball coach; and his pay also went up the same as mine did for taking stupid online courses in the latest educational jargon “methods” courses, while I refused to take those ridiculous courses because you learned nothing but the current social engineering jargon. Instead took courses in my content area so I REALLY KNEW MY SUBJECT.
    Then we should take away all the programs from public schools that have nothing to do with educating students: the anti-drug programs, the anti-bullying programs, the anti-gang progrms, etc. They waste time, have never once been proved effective in the long run. Take away all the assemblies for school spirit–fart too many, again time wasters. Think about all my eduction put to use as a door guard to prevent students from escapting rather than attend the assembly. School policies and security can do much more to further those causes. But that requires administration that has a firm grasp of what should be taught in the content areas–not just the jargon about “classroom management.”
    I became so sick of being observed by ex-PE teachers, ex-shop teacers turned administrators who would write comments like “Wow! great class. I never learned that stuff.”
    My first principal when I began teaching in ’70 knew exactly what my curriculum required that I should be teaching, and he knew it about every subject he observed. He was a cranky old coot, but a smart man who put up with no nonsense in the class room. Nowadays, the more game playing and silliness that goes on in the classroom, the better, as far as the new administrators go.
    I am a retired public school teacher, who couldn’t afford to send my sons to private schools. The older son went through o.k. I would give my right arm to be able to have a do over so could could home school my second son. He hated school so much that I finally took him out and just put him through a GED program. At that time, the head of the state’s Dept. of Ed. gave his commencement speech and told all the grads to hold their heads high, as he knew that over 80% of the people with high school diplomas graduating at the same time would NOT be able to pass the GED tests.

    • HELENK2

      today’s kids get cheated and do not even know it. There time is being wasted and good teachers are NOT encouraged and are expected to pass failing kids.
      the idea of a kids feelings are more important than feeding his brain just promotes laziness on the part of the student and the teacher.

      I would get fired my first day as a teacher. Do not have the patience to tolerate bad behavior. Grew up in a different time where respect mattered, Students were expected to respect teachers and teachers were expected to teach kids.

      I respect your dedication to the great gift of teaching, I am sure you did make a difference

  • Fred82

    Seems to me as if these teachers are using Communist tactics.

    Communist inspired strikes aren’t meant to address legitimate issues or attain better working conditions. They are meant to create chaos and wreck economies.

  • HELENK2

    a couple of days ago Matthew wrote about the chicago strike,
    I linked an article that had surprising stats on the remedial levels of chicago public school grads in English, Math and reading. now these are basics and if they are not being taught, the kids are being cheated big time

  • HELENK2

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/5189336-418/college-can-be-a-rude-remedial-awakening.html

    they do such a great job that over 1/2 of high school grads going to community college need remedial studies