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America vs. Islam

By Matthew Weaver on September 16, 2012 at 5:40 PM in Current Affairs

What happens if we come to the conclusion that we, the United States and our Western allies, are under direct and indirect attack by Islam? What happens if we realize that we are at war with a “religion” that is hell-bent on destroying everything that is not Islam?

America was set up on the principle of religious freedom. Our founding fathers clearly, though, did not envision an entire religion being violently opposed to us as a nation and a free people. Do we weakly succumb or do we say enough, recognize that Islam is a threat and act accordingly?

And how should we respond? Ban Islam? Demand repudiation or conversion?

Every religion has its fanatics. Let’s not forget that Hitler was a Christian, specifically Roman Catholic. Each religion also have their well-meaning disciples. Aside from the question of who is a Christian, a follower of Islam, or a Jew, what about the very values of their respective religions?

Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all have violent pasts, tell of and even demand violence against those who do not follow their respective teachings. Christianity and Judaism have evolved into more peaceful religions while Islam has not.

Islam demands the death of the infidel and anyone that might offend its teachings, even to show a picture of Mohammed. At every turn it is characterized, fairly or not, as violent. And women? It subjugates women beyond anything even the most fanatical Christians and Jews might attempt.

Now, in America, our constitutional right to exercise religion of our choice is predicated on the peaceful practice of our religion. Our nation strives for neutrality and respect. But, what about Islam? How do we and can we co-exist with a religion that actively demands death to others for even the slightest offense?

Coexisting is like treating all animals the same and putting the fox in the hen house. It won’t work and as we see with Islam, we cannot treat it the same as we do other religions.

Now, the challenge, how do we and can we have an intelligent, reasonable, and mature discussion on the topic without discussion-ending comments, insults, and threats?

Can we truly separate peaceful and violent factions of Islam? Should we even bother? Do we instead simply accept that Islam cannot co-exist with us? Do we then ban it? Do we openly fight it worldwide? Do we revisit the crusades of centuries ago to eradicate Islam wherever it might exist? And, finally, how do we reconcile any and all of this with our constitutional right to practice religion of our choice?

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”—First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

Matthew Weaver is president/CEO of Project Weavers, which offers project management training and PMP exam prep courses.

binky354

Some very complicated issues, huh? I don’t think Islam and our Constitution are compatible, but what to do?

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

That is my conclusion as well. As the Crusades we not so distant a memory in the 1700s, I wonder how and if our founding fathers recognized Islam as a religion in the same manner as they did the various flavors of Christianity?

HoosierinDixie

That is a very good question Matthew. The Barbary pirates raided European ships and enslaved Christians. It became customary to pay these states a tribute to pass through the area without fear of being seized. Since we continued to pay tribute and ransom to the Barbary states as the Europeans did until Jefferson refused in 1803, it is highly unlikely are founding fathers were completely unaware. The history books are very unclear on the issue. Are there any historians here that can shed some light on the subject?
TeakWoodKite

They did not but that doesn’t mean they were not true to thier beliefs about the freedom of religion or way of life.

The first mosque in America was probably build by Albanian Muslims in 1915 in Maine. By 1919, they had established another mosque in Connecticut. Polish-speaking Tatars build a mosque in Brooklyn, NY in 1926, which is still in use. African American Muslims established the first Mosque in Pittsburgh, PA in
1930. The Lebanese Community of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, opened its first mosque in
1935. The State Street Mosque in New York City was established by Sheikh Dawood
Ahmed Faisal in 1955. This mosque represents a special point in the development
of the American Muslim community. The Dar-ul-Islam movement began from
there.

pghpuma

”And women? It subjugates women beyond anything even the most fanatical Christians and Jews might attempt.”

Consider the view of Thomas Aquinas: Any “prophet” who would promise the carnal knowledge of another human being as the “spiritual” reward for committing murder is not to be taken seriously. as in: Seriously? Are these mobbing males all on Viagara with no place to go? While my daughter was in the Pharma export business, she noticed that the largest buyers of Viagara, by far, were in the Middle East. Perhaps the CEO of Pfizer should be “consulted” for Security.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

Maybe a little saltpeter instead of the regular contents of the capsules?
Hokma

“the largest buyers of Viagara, by far, were in the Middle East”

Is that right? Wow.
HObama HObamanana

And such carnal knowledge is with a virgin. In the case of their prophet’s such carnal knowledge with a 9 year old virgin. One has to wonder if the rest of these folks that blow themselves up are pedophiles in paradise too.

And pardon my tendency to be just a little irreverent, but I just heard like a Weird Al Yankovic song called Pedophiles in Paradise to the tune of Jimmy Buffett’s Cheeseburger in Paradise. I could even see Weird Al with the Arab costume, bombs strapped on and everything. I’m guessing that might really piss some Islamists off. Sorry.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

I think there is a video somewhere of that. Anybody?

HObama HObamanana

Here’s Weird Al doing Amish Paradise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIfMLUx6YhI

HELENK2

Isam will never be a peaceful religion.It is a group that is so full of hate that there is no room for peace. It does not respect it’s own followers let alone anyone else. We have come to the point that even though there are those it this country that would bow down to islam, we have to understand islam will never understand the founding principles of American and would destroy her if they could. They use our freedom against us. Our country does believe in freedom of religion and freedom from religion. islam does not and never will. It is our enemy and we must never forget that. It has been around for over 1000 years and has not evolved because it does not want to be.
we can not stop all contract with them but we sure can minimize contact with them.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

Obama’s bowing didn’t get us far, did it?
MG6

Well stated…
Theymustbemorons

I think you’ve hit a big nail on the head here HELENK2 when you say: “Our country does believe in freedom OF religion and freedom FROM religion.” This American concept would be insane to Islamic fundamentalists who commit/support violence, whether it’s an “honor” killing of a westernized daughter on American soil, or a suicide bomber in the Middle East. We continue to offer political/military/diplomatic responses to these events. Our enemy considers these issues to be religious in nature.
FLDemFem

I think that under US law, Islam may not be a religion. Religions are not allowed to be politically involved in the US, and Islam states that its goal is to install sharia law in all countries. In other words, over throw the government and destroy the Constitution. That makes it a political movement masquerading as a religion. So not only should they not be regarded as a religion, their mosques, etc. should not be tax-exempt or treated any differently as any subversive political organization is treated.

We can start by pointing out to them when they scream about their rights, that their rights stop where they infringe on someone else’s. For instance, Muslims make a big deal about public prayer, to the point of holding up traffic at rush hour by praying in the streets. If any Christian church tried holding a service in the middle of the street at any time, they would be arrested for obstructing traffic. No one even asked the Muslims to get their butts out of the road because they might get up and kill people if disturbed at prayer. These people need to have it explained to them that if they want to behave like uncivilized barbarians, they should go live in countries where that sort of behavior is tolerated. This country isn’t one of them.
TeakWoodKite

“They use our freedom against us.”
If you were intent on destroying religous freedoms as Islam dictates, wouldn’t you?
Larry made the valid point that Islam is not monolithic and some Muslims he knows drink a beer and go home to their familles and prayer rugs. (I haven’t had the pleasure, but I take Larry at his word. )

The day that religous texts and worship of all kinds are permitted in Mecca, when women are not put in bags and not executed for being raped or murdered for some percieved insult of honor, I will concede Islam is a peaceful religion.
Only a fool would think it is, based on the last 1400 years of Islam. I say this not to be labeled as anything you percieve me to be because I am just a humble kite and frankly don’t give a damn. History tells no lies, just the folks re-writing it.
What fasinates me the most is for the talk the Late King of Jordan did about the difficulty promoting modernity in Islam, it is very much regressing as a culture to the stone age. With one exception…. come next year they will have a nuclear weapon in which drag us back there with ‘em.
That is the express purpose of Obama’s foriegn policy based on the guiding principles of indifferent ignorace.
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Can anyone tell me who is picking up the tab for 6 fighter jets the dead and wonded…. WTF happened to base security that a 20 man team was let on base? Seriously!! Jihadists in American uniforms??? I hope the cretin they captured alive gets the Full Monte and we can follow the money.

Hokma

This has been a very long simmering problem that was mostly ignored because we had strongmen leaders in these Muslim countries that suppressed all dissent.

These are people that have been denied a lot of freedoms and opportunities since the wealth all went to their leaders. Concurrently they were taught from a young age that the reason for their situation was not their leaders but were the fault of western culture and the Jews. This goes back to the early part of the 20th century.

Now you have radical fundamentalist leaders who are perpetuating the same hate but not suppressing the masses anymore.

As Samuel Huntington assessed there is a war but it is a clash of civilizations. We have chosen for the most part to ignore it and appease it. Because of the events of 9/11 GW Bush was the only President to aggressively confront it but not in exactly the right way. He identified it as “terrorism” and not the actual enemy.

Obama has taken the opposite tact and appeased it more than any prior President and we are witnessing the results of that.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

Yes, neither addressing it as terrorism or appeasing it will solve the challenge.
HObama HObamanana

But there is nothing civil about their liezation.
jrterrier

WASHINGTON – The number of Islamic places of worship in the United States soared 74% in the past decade.

While protests against new mosques in New York, Tennessee and California made headlines, the overall number of mosques quietly rose from 1,209 in 2000 to 2,106 in 2010.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-29/islamic-worship-growth-us/53298792/1

HELENK2

this is what the world is dealing with, do not ever forget it

graphic video of the animals dragging out our ambassador

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMSnyOMRXos&feature=plcp

HARP2

Hey…..lying democrats.

I don`t think that`s how you take someone to the Hospital .

HELENK2

d:

Correction: Hezbollah: protesters should ‘express anger’ at US
embassies (Corrects story that said Hezbollah said not to attack
embassies.)
HELENK2

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/09/16/dearborn-imam-calls-on-american-government-to-enforce-sharia-blasphemy-laws/

dearborn iman calls on American government to enforce sharia blasphemy laws.
does that sound like adapting to America and the laws of this country? In every country that they have immigrated to , they want their laws obeys regardless of the laws of the country they immigrate to. If they want their laws , then stay in their countries. those who convert should move to and islamic country and try really living under their laws
skep247

Not all religions are created equal and some are just unacceptable in a modern civilization. You can’t make me believe that a religion that practices baby sacrifices would be recognized as a religion in America. (Okay, maybe that was not the best example with Planned Parenthood around. But we wouldn’t allow it at the alter of a church/mosque.) So the first order of business is to determine if a “religion” is in opposition to our Constitution. That is easy to do. If it is and the religion in question has to push for a separate judicial system for their believers, then there’s a problem. The system Muslims, moderate and radical, are pushing for in America as their numbers increase is Sharia Law. It’s unconstitutional and it does not belong in America. God help us if we succumb to allowing honor killings, fatwas, dhimmitude, polygamy, stonings, female mutilation/circumcision, apastasy(subject to being killed for leaving a religion?!), no freedom of speech, second-class citizenship for women, blasphemy laws (already in Europe), etc, etc.

If we don’t fight back against this wave of insanity, be prepared to look your grandchildren in the eyes later on, and try to explain why they live under tyranny.

HObama HObamanana

Unless you are stating that liberalism is a religion. If it is, would Obama be it’s God or it’s prophet? Scratch that, couldn’t be a God because liberals don’t recognize a God, lest we forget.

DianaLC

This post raises the most important question the world faces today.
First, as a confirmed Christian, I have a very hard time understanding the hate that is coming out of Islam today, the bloodieness of it.
However, I was born in almost the exact center of the twentieth centure. I recently read a book entitled The Jesus Wars, which covered the very early Christian church. Reading a book like that wakes one up to the great, dare I use the term, evolution of the Christian religion over time.
But one does not have to go back as far as the 3rd or 4th century to see bloodshed in Christianity. Go back only to the Protestant Reformation to read about the bloodshed that created. (My own ancestors made the trip from the Palatinate to Russia because Catherine the Great promised them freedom from conscription into armies and freedom of religion by settling them in villages that did NOT mix the various forms of Christianity–i.e., Catholic villages, Mennonite villages, Lutheran villages, etc.
Look back at our own history, the Salen witch trials. That seems strange to us now.
And I think of all my parents’ generation and their moral quandaries over women working outside the home, and my ex’s mother being singled out in church one time for cutting her hair.
The bloody battles between the Puritan factions and the Anglican factions in England during the seventeenth century is another example.
I could go on, but my point is this. I don’t know why it is that Islam is so behind in its evolution. It may have had something to do with the Roman’s USE of Chritianity to solidify its power at a time when it was definitely losing power. The Ottoman Empire faltered eventually, as someone commented earlier. But in Turkey the Ottomans under Ataturk decided they needed to become secular. Now my Turkish daughter-in-law proudly claims she is “not religious,” though she has a toleration for those in her country who are. They’ve lost much of their power, though. And she notes that as a Turkish immigrant to the U.S. she seems out of place with other Turkish immigrants, as most of them come here for MORE freedom of religion than they feel they have in Turkey.
I asked Larry awhile back if this fundamentalist zeal and bloodthirst might sometime in our lifetime die out. The onely way I see that happening is the same way it has happened with Christianity–having to live in a modern technological and capitalistic society.
When the Imans are “dethroned” as, for instance, Charles I was in England and politics become separated from religion more in those countries, it may happen.
It’s my firm belief, because I have studied much in the way about the world’s religions, that Christianity’s spiritual system speaks best for me, and I acknowledge that it’s probably because I was nurtured in it as I grew up.
But, I’ve always taken the attitude that “in my Father’s house there are many mansions.” And to me, as for others, that possibly means that there are many ways God reaches people.
Right now we are seeing the ugliest fruits of Islam. I hole out hope that there are many who follow it who are hoping a praying that soon their more gentle form will prevail.
I have, sadly, no answer for how that can be brought about.

Theymustbemorons

Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

I wonder if the eventual loss of oil revenue will sober up Islam. Right now they have the money to be disruptive and violent. Further the benefits of Western success is allowing their populations to explode in areas that simply cannot support the population.

HELENK2

I keep saying all they have to export is

hate…..they can choke on that

heroin…. they can keep that it has caused too many problems in the world and with advances in medicine it is not needed now

oil…too many other places in the world including here that has oil and with technology less will be needed

so who really needs who???

http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

Islam is behind Christianity in terms of “evolution” because Mohammed preached war and Jesus preached peace. It’s that simple.

DianaLC

I agree that the message of Christ and the concept of the Trinity is quite different from what Mohammed gave. As I said, Christianity is my “language” for talking with God. It almost seems very strange to me that they insist on calling Mohammed a prophet and seem proud of that. We call on the Son of God and the Son of Man. That seems so much better.
But there is still no denying that Christianity was for some time used to justify horrendous behavior–I could also add the Inquisition to my list, for example.
I don’t relate to Islam at all, but I do pray all the time “Thy will (God’s) be done” and, of course the rest of that most perfect prayer. I cling to the “ask and ye shall receive.”
I don’t mean to preach, but it just seems more sad to me to see these people eating themselves up, burning themselves up with anger and hatred. I does us no good to hate them back. I feel sorry for them.

DianaLC

Sorry–forgot to proofread.

HARP2

Ya gotta love it !!!

Iranian Regime Threatens to Sue Obama Using New UN Blasphemy Law He Signed

In December the Obama Administration pushed a UN resolution that banned criticism of Islam.

The Obama Administration helped
the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) push through their
resolution condemning the stereotyping, negative profiling and
stigmatization of people based on religion. Team Obama led the way for the resolution to pass through the General Assembly.

Now the Iranian Regime is threatening to sue Barack Obama using that same blasphemy law.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/iranian-regime-threatens-to-sue-obama-using-new-un-blasphemy-laws-he-signed/

HELENK2

that Karma is such a bitch, I do love her
HObama HObamanana

Considering some of the defamatory things the Iranians say about Jews and Christians they haven’t a leg to stand on. And I do not respect the laws of the UN anyway. They have no relevance or authority in this country.

akaPatience

Matthew, I don’t think it’s a case of America vs. Islam. Maybe Western Civilization vs. Radical Islam though.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

Can you separate Radical Islam? How do or will we know short of after-the-fact when they murder someone? And how about Sharia Law?

akaPatience

Well Matthew, I can easily distinguish between the behavior of terrorists/violent mobs and a former tenant/neighbor who remains one of my favorite people. She’s a Muslim and an absolute sweetheart. Happily, I ran into her the other day and we had a nice chat. As far as Sharia Law in the US goes, IMO it should never be accomodated. Ever. I just think you’re painting with too broad a brush because not every Muslim wants to destroy America. Don’t get me wrong though, I’m very alarmed by what’s been happening in the ME as well as pronouncements made by some Islamic clerics in the US. Unfortunately their mouths are bigger and louder than peaceful Muslims.

HObama HObamanana

You may be correct that not every Muslim wants to destroy America. I would certainly like to believe that. But considering the circumstances and out of an abundance of caution I think it prudent to be careful around all of them at this time.
TeakWoodKite

“Unfortunately their mouths are bigger and louder than peaceful Muslims”
Ask your friend,with all respect, when is enough enough? When will the voices of silence. SPEAK OUT and sweep these Imans back to the primorial soup they crawled out of?

http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

They won’t speak out, especially in the Middle East, because they are FORCED to be Muslims there. And go read the Muslim apostate websites…these folks have to change their names because they receive death threats for speaking out against radical Islam.
http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

I suspect they need help. We can do so by scouring every video and identifying anyone that protests against the US, that attacks an American and the American embassies. No mercy to any of them. And that includes especially the Imans.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

Agreed. There is a danger in painting all Muslims with a broad brush. I know many, have worked with many, hired them without hesitation, and have traveled to nearly 50 countries, including Egypt, Pakistan, Morocco, Turkey, Dubai (UAE), Indoneasia, etc. where when I was there I was treated respectfully and did the same in return. Individually, they are our neighbors. But the issue of Islam and separating the good from the bad is a challenge. Can we? And can we do so without compromising who we are and our heritage? And, finally, can we afford not to?

skep247

We can’t afford to ignore this challenge. I’m afraid our heritage has already been compromised by the great ‘religion’ of Islam. Did you see the picture of the film maker being taken in for questioning in the middle of the night? Moderate Muslims are on the TV saying the violence is wrong, BUT Americans must give up some of their freedom of speech. That is one solution I’m not interested in. They can go back to where oppression is the name of the game if they are experiencing too much freedom here.

PatW

I have traveled to many countries on both pleasure and business and found people are inherently nice, whether I spoke the local language or struggled when our common conversation language was other than our native language. I do know this, I am big in Japan and everywhere else in East Asia too!

Back to point. There have been several cases over the last decade of domestic terrorism, or “Sudden Jihad Syndrome” although the MSM never wanted to call it that. The media has always been described it as a result of someone who just went bonkers.

Yet, the fact pattern in each these cases has one similarity. Family and friends always describe the perpetrator as that nice polite boy from the neighborhood who never got into any trouble, had lots of friends, was good at school, blah, blah blah., but,then he started reading the koran and became religious and started attending mosque.

Adolph Hitler liked to dance with Eva, play with kids and his beloved German shepherds and throw backyard barbeques at his Austrian estate. Give Stalin a cigar and a tall glass of vodka, and he was probably a riot at the Friday night poker game. Evil people can appear to be very normal and nice. I am sure even Osama bin Laden had his lighter moments when he wasn’t quoting passages from the koran.

Therein lies the problem with islam. There is no societal problem with
the wedding and funeral muslim, but the religious muslim who studies the
koran and the hadith (teachings of Mohammed) goes bonkers. The Hitlers, Stalins and Mohammeds of the world have this ability to take other normal people who like to eat and drink and play with kids and dogs and turn them into sociopaths.

The Christian gospels contain the teachings of Jesus. The Koran contains the teachings of Mohammed. If one takes the gospels to the extreme following its true teachings, one becomes Mother Teresa. If one takes the koran to the extreme following its true teachings, one becomes Osama bin Laden.
DianaLC

akaPatience, thank you for your comment. I would hate to be a non-radical Muslim in the U.S. at this point. I am sure they don’t know how to act or behave and are frightened too.
I believe many do come here–as I mention below–for freedom OF religion away from the Medieval Imans. When one is born into a religion that has nurtured her in some way, it would be hard to turn away.

HObama HObamanana

For the sake of argument, let’s suppose that there is a difference between Muslims and Islamists. Making this distinction, we may then declare that those who wish us, and have caused us, harm are Islamists, not Muslims. The Islamists believe that their brand of religion is the only one faithful to the true teachings of their prophet. Armed with this belief, they believe that anyone not of the faith are infidels that must either convert or be slain.

From an American perspective, or purely a human one, that makes them my enemy. Not by my declaration but by their own. So that makes them incompatible with our Constitution, our republic, our democracy and our way of life. In short, they are our enemies whether we prefer or not to accept the fact.

Now to the other group, followers of the same prophet, that we will call Muslims. Our President and his lackeys tell us that these folks believe in a religion of peace; that they are moderate and merely wish to coexist within our society causing no one any harm. Sounds pretty good to me. But in practice is any of this true?

Recently there have been repeated calls for us to curb our freedom of speech from no less than our President and Secretary of State. To be watchful what we say or do, because we might offend these Muslims and Islamists. We are not to question their beliefs. We are not to characterize their religion. We aren’t really suppose to do anything they say we shouldn’t do because, if we do, we might spark violence and then be responsible for the actions they take against us. Somehow it’s our fault that they are such fanatics. Because their religion tells them it’s alright to kill us if we don’t subject our will to theirs.

So what does this mean? As near as I can tell, there are Muslims that claim to want to live peacefully among us but who really want us to curtail our way of life and convert to their beliefs. And if they can’t accomplish this peacefully, the Muslims will become Islamists and take matters into their own hands.

skep247

Americans must educate themselves. These two books , A God That Hates and Cruel and Usual Punishment , might answer some basic questions about Islam. They were written by former Muslim women who know what it is all about. You do not want your sons and especially your daughters to live under any aspect of Sharia law.

HObama HObamanana

I agree and intend to read both books. Here is an Amazon link to A God That Hates and here is one to Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Maybe these books could be linked at this blog because I know that we all support women’s rights for all women, not just liberals.

skep247

Thank you for the links. Cruel and Usual Punishment goes so far as to lay out a strategy for the Western Democracies to consider. Nonie Darwish, the author, is concerned that if we don’t wake up fast, we will find ourselves living under the oppression she knew before moving to this country. It’s a great book.

BettsAZ

The movie “the Stoning of Soraya M” is a movie, based on a true story, should be required viewing in America. Islam’s ugliness must be exposed and eradicated. It’s founding is based on violence, subjugation, and dominance over all.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

Yes. Islam, as we see practiced, is no better than the Khmer Rouge. They deserve no mercy.
seattlegonz

A movie? Where were the murders when that came out?

BettsAZ

I saw the movie in a theater a couple of years ago. Takes place in Iran.Truly, a very disturbing movie. Just google “The Stoning of Soraya M”.

pghpuma

what you describe is what the victims of domestic violence endure in their own homes. If, by horror, the abuser is an islamic extremist, he can manufacture some “slight” and behead her for “honor.”

HObama HObamanana

That is exactly what it is. And I ain’t about to put up with Islamic domestic abuse in my own country.

elizabethrc

Today, once again, Obama’s minion, Amb. Rice, trotted out the administration line. It was the movie that caused the riots when, from what the head of Libya and a growing number of highly placed, knowledgeable people indicate that this was a long planned, well organized effort and state categorically that the movie had nothing to do with it. This goes much deeper than that far too easy cop out.
I lose patience with diplomacy in dealing with these middle eastern nations which choose to live by centuries old mores, for they have no intention of modifying, adapting or ever accepting anything other than Islam’s harsh dictums. It is no secret that they are required to convert non- Islamists or kill them, a prospect which seems to give them a thrill up their legs. That seems pretty cut and dried to me and given their appetite for the latter, I find myself in a quandry: I know that the Constitution asks us to respect and tolerate other religions and for the most part, we do. I do not think that the founders could ever have envisioned the growth of Islam ( 1 in 5 people follow Islam) nor how it would threaten the very existence of America. Diplomacy will never work except among civilized societies who hold others in at least a modicum of respect. I seriously doubt that your average barbarian gives two hoots about the best of do-gooder intentions.
Slam the door shut on any foreign aid, any material assistance and any diplomatic relationship to every ME country which supports radical Islam and make darned sure you look over your shoulder at supposed non-radical Islamists. I imagine the four soldiers shot dead today by the Islamic policemen our soldiers were training wish they had done that. (Isn’t it about time we concentrated on developing the natural resources we have in this country so that we have little if any need of their oil?) Slam me if you will, but I will no longer give them the benefit of the doubt. They are in our midst and their jihad is worldwide. Let them fend for themselves. Political correctness has it’s place; it’s just not here and not now.

MG6

I’m getting that feeling that the people know they are being lied to, except those obots.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

The supply of Kool-Aid hasn’t run out yet.

TeakWoodKite

…hopefully the supply of people drinking it will.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

“They are in our midst and their jihad is worldwide. … Political correctness has it’s place; it’s just not here and not now.”
Okay, but do we declare Islam a non-religion?

HELENK2

personally I call it a sickness. but politically I guess we have to call in a religion
HObama HObamanana

We declare it a hate crime.
TeakWoodKite

No, we declare it what it is. It is a body of law diametrically opposed to the US Constitution. You want to pray to a god? Fine. Don’t bug out and kill me when I don’t want to or I choose a different god than Allah.
elizabethrc

Matthew, in the Christian and Jewish world (and in other religions) there are also violent people who commit violent acts against others. We have laws to protect the innocent. Civilized societies make distinctions and apply reason to how we deal with those people. We put those people away for the benefit of society as a whole.
Do we need to put a label of “religion” on Islam and therefore back away from protecting our beliefs, our way of life, our very safety? Has Islam demonstrated over the last 100 years the ability or even the desire to live in peace and harmony with the rest of the world if they are not Islamists? Their belief, as I said, is singular..to force acceptance or to kill us. That, in my book isn’t the definition of religion.
I”m not going to get hung up on declaring or not declaring it a religion. It is immaterial to me in the face of the terminal hatred and violence they hold toward other ‘religions’. If my house is infested with rodents, I do whatever is necessary to rid it of them. I don’t stop to ask their names.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

I like your point that a belief system saying ‘join or die’ is not a religion. As you say, “If my house is infested with rodents, I do whatever is necessary to rid it of them. I don’t stop to ask their names.”

MG6

This video puts plainly the position Israel and the world is facing with Iran:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMJ4TYXDKLc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Guest

Armada of British naval power massing in the Gulf as Israel prepares an Iran
strike

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9545597/Armada-of-British-naval-power-massing-in-the-Gulf-as-Israel-prepares-an-Iran-strike.html

An armada of US and British naval power is massing in the Persian Gulf in
the belief that Israel is considering a pre-emptive strike against Iran’s covert
nuclear weapons programme.

HELENK2

Canadian embassies in Libya & Egypt will reopen tomorrow; embassy in Khartoum, Sudan will stay closed – @sasapetricic

32 mins ago

by editor

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

Those countries that refused to allow U.S. Marines to secure our embassies should find their own embassies immediately shut down in the U.S. Likewise, we should simply lock ours up in their countries and freeze ALL government and non-government relations. I suspect they’d quickly backtrack.

FLDemFem

The first thing we should do is insist that Congress not send them another friggin’ dime!! And no more weapons either. Let’s just isolate them and let them kill each other off with what they have now. Once they can’t get out to kill others, then they will turn on each other. There are so many Muslim sects and sub-sects that by the time they get finished doing in every one who thinks a bit differently than they do, there will only be a couple of dozen of them left.

HELENK2

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/09/16/egyptian-pm-hints-at-violence-if-america-doesnt-enforce-blasphemy-laws/

Egyptian pm hints violence if American doesn’t enforce blasphemy laws.

can anyone imagine threats like this under any other president? I can not

HELENK2

I know it is not politically correct but screw them, here is my answer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anEuw8F8cpE

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

This is my all-time favorite movie scene that sums up best how we should deal with Islam.

HObama HObamanana

I don’t suppose that it would be politically correct that the next time an American is killed in the name of Islam that we riot their mosques and replace their flags with one that has the one fingered salute.

HELENK2

works for me

FLDemFem

The outcome of that scene was an ad lib. Indy was supposed to take out the swordsman with some great whip play but Harrison Ford had been filming all day and was tired, so he pulled out his gun and shot the guy instead. The guy reacted well and fell down on cue, so to speak. And that is how that scene got into the movie. A tired actor didn’t want to mess around any more and came up a re-write on camera.

TeakWoodKite

First there was a human. Then there was the need to explain what was not understood. Why humans?
That is the history of mankind.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ”
When the United States funds the building of a house of worship, whether it’s a Mosque, Church , Synagogue or Temple, it is a violation of the first amendment of the US Constitution.
Because the SCOTUS has ruled that money is capable of free speech, it stands to reason that paying for the re-contruction of a Mosque on foriegn soil, is promoting Islam. If Muslims destroy a Coptic Church in Egypt, should “we” pay for it’s reconstruction or offer assistance to bury their dead?
Do we do such things in our own country?

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

Our government, in my opinion, should never pay for a house of worship anywhere, anytime. The only exception I see is if we directly caused the damage by accident. Otherwise, no.
And burying the dead? No, likewise not our problem.

TeakWoodKite

The seperation of church and state is central to religious freedom of this country and within Islam it is an impossibility to seperate them for very long. Turkey is an example of this trend.

DianaLC

My daughter-in-law’s mother is visiting right now. These people–the entire family–were so very nice to us when we went to the wedding. Most of the Turkish people I met were “not religious” as they put it. Yes, Erdogan (sp?) is allowing more tolerance of Muslim expression, but this is a country that went extremely overboard to be secular for a while. I keep mentioning that the Turkish people my daughter-in-law meets for the most part who are here as immigrants are here are the “religious,” and so she feels less at home with them than she would with her friends and classmates–who attended an international university in Ankara, where all the classes were taught in English. Those people she meets who are here and who are religious are not radical and just feel there is MORE freedom of religion here than there.

TeakWoodKite

All for the free expression and worship of one’s beliefs until they start telling me I can’t.

DianaLC

That’s my point. In many places in Turkey, they could not find work because of their dress, etc., since it was supposed to be secular. There are, indeed, as Larry has stated, more “evolved” and moderate Muslims. Heck, those were the kind O was so close with in college, etc. That’s why he has misjudged the radicals.
I will be the first to stand with you if someone starts telling me I can’t freely express my faith and worship as I please.
Just as I am totally unwilling to give up free speech and, thus, condemn the statement by the embassy, I also stand firm on our religious freedoms here—within the law.
(“Render unto Caesar”)

HELENK2

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/op-ed
/impossible+keep+diplomats+safe/7244199/story.html

close embassies in the ME????
jrterrier

“So, let me get this straight:

It is September 11, 2012. An Al Qaeda sponsored mob is marching, running, screaming towards the U.S. Embassy in Cairo. Supposedly they are angry about an e-mail cartoon about the Islamic figure, Mohammed. It is known right away that the organizers of the march are the same entity that did the mass murder of Americans on 9.11.01.

The Embassy issues an apology for an American using his
free speech rights about a matter of deep concern. They attempt to appease the mob. It doesn’t work. The mobs acts violently and disrespectfully towards the U.S. Embassy. They are al Qaeda. This is what they do.

No comment or almost none from Mr. Obama.

Then an al Qaeda mob attacks the U.S. Mission in Benghazi, Libya, burns it, kills the U.S. Ambassador and three other heroic American diplomats. Again, in a classic al Qaeda move, it is all timed perfectly to infuriate the USA. It isn’t spontaneous. It was 9/11, for Pete’s sake.

No comment from Mr. Obama except terse condolences.

Then along comes Governor Romney, who rightly says, “Hey, why are we appeasing an al Qaeda mob? Why aren’t we calling these guys the vicious killers that they are? Why are we back in this apology to bad guys mode?”

Then, and only then, the Obama White House goes into hyper drive. It turns out that the real problem is not al Qaeda. No, and it’s not Mr. Obama’s appeasement. No, the real threat to America is (wait for it), Mitt Romney. Yes!!!

According to White House uber-pal, MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow [and don't forget Peggy Noonan], Romney is working with the terrorists against the U.S. government by calling for criticism of the al Qaeda! Yes, Romney is the enemy for pointing out that Mr. Obama is ass kissing the terrorists!

This is terrifying. The media line up to get their marching orders from the Obama Ministry of Truth and suddenly it’s Gospel: the problem is not al Qaeda. It is Romney. With a “more in sorrow than in anger…” look and tone, Mr. Obama pities Romney’s naïveté.

This is disgusting. It is nauseating. This is what happens when you have a one-party media. The lie becomes the truth. . . .”

to read the whole post: http://spectator.org/archives/2012/09/13/mr-president-mitt-romney-is-no/

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

I agree with your narrative and summary. I do wonder if the American people are really as dumb as Obama and his media seem to think.

HObama HObamanana

Even some of the journalists are starting to doubt the story. That said, it’s still the main reason given in nearly every single account published or spoken in the MSM.
jrterrier

it’s not mine. i am quoting from an article by Ben Stein.
KenoshaMarge

All too many sit in front of their televisions and absorb the MSM swill like so many potted plants. Thinking is a rare commodity in our country these days. Children who do not receive and decent education do not even “know” how to think. They feel and that is how they behave.

When our government apologizes for hurting the “feelings” of Islam because of some silly video you see this infantilizing of the public given full rein.

People who vote for the office of President of the United States because he/she is “cool” or “likable” are a perfect example.

akaPatience

jterrier, I seem to live in a perpetual state of disgust and dismay these days. There’s just no other way to say it – Big Media in America has become dangerous. It’s no better than outright propaganda. The people of the US have fallen victim to an MSM that speaks with one mind-numbing voice. And with a few exceptions, I’m even f-ing angry with a lot of so-called conservative punditry, which can be so idealistic as to, at least, aid and abet the opposition and at worst, eat their own.
PatW

Media in the tank for Obama? If confronted, they will probably say it is only a small minority of extremist media types and not representative of media as a whole who are really a peaceful unbiased lot.

CNN Reporter Sends Obama Donation Request Form to Twitter Followers
KenoshaMarge

The corrupt media has been and is committing treason when it abuses it’s First Amendment Rights by refusing to inform the citizens of this country of the facts. I may loathe Obama and all his ilk but I hate the MSM with a deep and abiding hate as I hate those who would destroy our way of life.

jrterrier

We are doing it again. For years before 9/11, Al Qaeda was fairly clear with their intentions and we ignored them. It seems pretty clear again that a number of Islamist leaders (radical ones if you want to be discriminating) continue to say that they want to establish an Islamist caliphate in the world. And we ignore them.

But from the looks of what is going on in the Middle East, Europe and even Australia this past week, perhaps we should take them seriously.
jrterrier

came accross this on twitter. don’t know if it’s true and have never heard of this outfit before. but as i believe in the founding father’s view of the First Amendment as the market place of ideas where open discourse will lead to the truth, here goes . . . http://www.westernjournalism.com/wikileaks-obama-team-stole-election-bribed-jesse-jackson-and-took-russian-money-in-2008/

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

Makes for interesting reading but is not really believable. We’ve all seen the “Will get more on this when the time is right. My source was too giddy to continue.” stories that never become real. Besides, they mix 2008 data, undated emails, and Obama’s March 2012 comment to Medvedev. A quick search of the Internet shows this whole Western Jouralism piece as having been floating around for a while now.

http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

There is no comparison between Christianity and Islam. Mohammed was a pedophile who raped women and declared war on anyone who did not follow him. He was an evil man, and at best a cult leader. At worst, he was a demon-possessed sociopath here to do great evil to the world. I say this after being a kind-hearted “liberal” who knew nothing about Islam until I read up on it on many ex-Muslim websites. I also believed the BS that Islam was a “religion of peace” until I did my homework on it. Islam is no religion of peace. It is death to women and homosexuals, and anyone who opposes it.

Even people who do not believe in Jesus as the Son of God concede he was a good man. Liberals look up to him as a social agitator and fighter for the poor. Jesus preached peace and love; Mohammed preached war and hate.

The reason there are so many Muslims in the Middle East is that people who live there are FORCED to be Muslim. Muslim can only be spread by the sword because compared to other religions of the world (like Buddhism or Christianity), it does not have an inherent message of peace and goodwill to sell it on its own.

Yes, I’m sure many good Muslims exist. They had no choice but to become Muslim because of birth and location. And many Muslims live in the Western world who are not fundamentalist about their faith, and who genuinely try to seek God in Islam. But Islam by its very nature appeals to evil, because of its focus on jihad and conversion of others at any cost. At some point we may have no choice but to fight it.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

Great distinction: Jesus preached peace and love; Mohammed, a pediphile sociopath, preached war and hate.

jrterrier

a cartoon for the times:
jrterrier

i cannot look at the cruelty of some of those pictures — turns my stomach.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

I agree these are cruel and the ones I picked for the post are mild compared to what is available on the Internet. More people need to see all of these–just as we took Germans to see their concentration camps at the end of the war–to understand that Islam is not a peaceful religion and that this is not a simple abstract discussion.

jrterrier

I agree. Weaselzippers shows those pictures regularly and I make myself look at them if only for a moment. Those on the extreme end are truly disgusting. There were pictures the other day of a poor man whose foot and hand had been chopped off because he was accused of having been a thief. Another young man died a few weeks earlier when his wound from a similar chopping did not heal. Don’t recall the country where this is happening. It is just dreadful.
I have said this often. I am still a registered DEM just because I haven’t bothered to change my registration; and I had always voted liberal. Also in the state where I live, if you do not vote in the DEM primary, you really don’t have a voice in the general election. The state is that skewed DEM.
I say that just to say how ignorant and small DEMS have become, particularly the left wing. They just refuse to see what’s in front of their eyes.

HELENK2

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/09/16/pakistani-islamist-dies-from-inhaling-fumes-of-burning-american-flags-at-mohammed-film-protest/

pakistani islamist dies from inhaling fumes of burning American flags at protest

Aw that Karma she is something else, gotta love her

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

Maybe we should be lacing all American flags with something incredibly toxic.

Changes

BREAKING!!
Armada of British naval power massing in the Gulf as Israel prepares an Iran
strike

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9545597/Armada-of-British-naval-power-massing-in-the-Gulf-as-Israel-prepares-an-Iran-strike.html

An armada of US and British naval power is massing in the Persian Gulf in
the belief that Israel is considering a pre-emptive strike against Iran’s covert
nuclear weapons programme.
HELENK2

something we should never forget.

in his own words

In “Audacity of Hope” he writes: “I will stand with the Muslims should
the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” The quote comes from
page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope.
http://lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com/ Canaan

From our point of view, Islamic violence is irrational. They’re no more violent than we are — I mean, come on, napalm? But from our point of view, they are violent for no reason. That’s what Morsi, Obama, and Hillary are saying with this video story — Morsi is insulting his own people very badly.

I see it more in Darwinian terms than religion. Animals have a focused killer instinct, fine-tuned by natural selection. Americans kill for a reason, it might be a stupid or terrible reason, but we don’t kill for no reason. Muslim violence is headless chicken violence. It’s just a blind, pointless killer instinct that’s not connected to any goal, moral or immoral. Like a woodpecker pecking on an aluminum telephone pole, they just kill to kill. Evolution takes a very long time, and there’s nothing we can dream of to speed it up.

I think their innate irrational violence takes us off the hook morally as far as ME dictators go. We’re better off with the strongmen in place, and Muslims are no worse off under the strongmen because they will kill each other anyway. Maybe in 5,000 years, natural selection will bring democracy to Islam. But we’re never going to do it.

HObama HObamanana

Would it not also be as equally possible that natural selection would cause Islam to become extinct?

HELENK2

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/09/obama_destabilized_the_middle_east_on_purpose.html

did backtrack destabilize the middle east on purpose?
http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

Good article:

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/50-stunich/1149-how-flawed-american-foreign-policy-is-killing-americans.html

“Many have been so inundated by a misleading presentation of Islam that infects most mainstream educational and media sources that despite the fact that they have surely stumbled upon the truth about Islam at some point, they have been preconditioned to ignore or rationalize the truth. This preconditioned ignorance guarantees that the “elites” will never grasp the true level of danger presented by Islam.”

KenoshaMarge

None so blind as those who will not see.

HELENK2

http://www.france24.com/en/20120916-israels-el-al-looks-end-cairo-flights

EL AL will end flights to Cairo
high cost of security
PatW

Muslim belief requires an acceptance that the koran is the literal word, unchanged in eternity from the beginning of time itself, of allah as revealed through the angel Gabriel to Mohammed. This tenet is as fundamental to islam as belief in the resurrection is to Christianity or G-d’s covenant with Abraham is to Judaism. As a result of this basic tenet of islam, a true muslim must also accept as a fundamental tenet that the koran, being allah’s law, is therefore the source of all law and also that any man made law contrary to the literal words of allah in the koran is disobedience to allah and therefore haram or forbidden.

One of those laws is that all other religions are false, since islam has existed as allah’s law since the beginning and any later religion, including Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Christianity and all others, therefore must be man made and accordingly forbidden by allah. To a wedding and funeral muslim, or a nonpracticing muslim, to whom religion is a hereditary artifact (just like many in all other faiths), this distinction of other religions being haram is probably of little or no consequence. However, to a true believer muslim the mere existence of another religion is haram and forbidden under allah’s absolute and unchanging law.

This now becomes my favorite legal question in American jurisprudence. Since islam forbids any other religion from even existing, can a devout muslim who accepts unconditionally the koran as the literal word of allah take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States without committing false oath and perjury?

KenoshaMarge

Since islam forbids any other religion from even existing, can a devout muslim who accepts unconditionally the koran as the literal word of allah take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States without committing false oath and perjury?

That’s a very good question.

FLDemFem

They can’t, but there is always taqiyya which says that you can commit perjury to fool the dhimmi, that would be us, when it is necessary to further the cause of Islam. And no oath given to a dhimmi is binding. So they can swear to anything they like and not be held responsible if they don’t live up to their oath as long as it was given to a dhimmi. Makes you wonder about Keith Ellison, and other Muslim politicians, do they mean it when they swear to uphold and defend the Constitution or are they just playing the dhimmi??

KenoshaMarge

Having seen Keith Ellison on television a few times, and believing him to be one of the biggest horse’s asses I’ve ever seen, I wouldn’t believe him if he was talking to a dhimmi or anything or anyone else.

Nice though that their religion gives them permission to lie.

Mine tells me not to “bear false witness.” Maybe that’s why I couldn’t be a Dem anymore. I take truthfulness seriously. Probably why I loathe politicians and the MSM.

FLDemFem

Want to have fun with a Muslim? Ask some questions, reasonable ones. I do it and enjoy it. First “You do believe that the Ten Commandments are the word of God, don’t you?” “Oh yes, of course!!” “God says “Thou shalt not kill”, how can you say that you think it’s the word of God when Muslims kill “in the name of God” all the time?” “Well, Mohamed says…” “Oh, so you take the word of Mohamed over the word of God?” “NO!! We do not!” “But you just said that Muslims kill because Mohamed said to, and God says not to kill. So how can you say that you put God’s word over Mohamed’s when you follow Mohamed’s word and not God’s” By now their eyeballs will be spinning in their heads. Then start with “bearing false witness” etc. By the time you are done they will be foaming at the mouth and totally unable to justify the lies and killings as “in the name of God”. Weird thing is that Muslims recognize Jesus as a major prophet, but ignore his message.

HARP2

* Muhammad was born around 570 CE.
* Around the year 610 CE, Muhammad, while in Mecca (presently in Saudi Arabia) began to receive Quran revelations from God.

* in 622 CE, he left Mecca with his followers (due to sufferings in
Mecca and being subject to assassination plot) to a city in the north
named Yathrib (later Medina), where another Muslim community had
begun to grow. The date of this emigration. 622 CE, is the
beginning year for the Muslim calendar.

They are about 600 years behind us. MAYBE THAT EXPLAINS WHY THEY ARE SO PISSED.

KenoshaMarge

I guess that’s all our fault too? Or could be in the mindless thought of a barbarian.

KenoshaMarge

I doubt the founding fathers expected us to “respect” someone or something that was trying to destroy us. Murdering, bararians deserve our contempt not respect.
Respect is a two way street. One that Islam and it’s followers, with some, few, exceptions seem willing to travel.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

You’ve got that right!

Hokma

OT:

Another morning and another Morning Schmo Show on MSNBC.

Today’s topic – like all other days – starts with Scarborough trashing Romney.

Middle East blowing up – Israel preparing to strike Iran – gas prices over $4 – and economy still in the toilet – - – -

But to Scarborough no other story is important than trashing Mitt Romney surrounded by his band of Obama Pravda loyalists.

HARP2

In 2008, an historic election wave for Democrats, the electorate was
D+7. In 2004, when George W. Bush won reelection, the electorate was
evenly split. In other words, D+0. Repeat after me; the Democrat share
of the electorate is not going to double this year. Given the well-noted
enthusiasm edge for Republicans this year, the electorate is going to
be far closer to the 2004 model than 2008. Any poll trying to replicate
the 2008 is going to artificially inflate Obama’s support.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/16/cbs-obama-leads-in-d-13-poll

Hokma

What I am finding is more than every before, there is a coordinated and concerted effort to hijack this election by 95% of the media (TV broadcast and daily newspapers) to sabotage Mitt Romney, intentionally suppress all the news that is negative for Obama, and to deliberately deceive Americans into a false narrative.

If I were Romney’s surrogates I would start campaigning to expose them – force newspapers to either print both sides or to tell the truth – and in broadcast they should all be Newts and professionally embarrass them to their audience to dimiinsh their influence.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

A successful Romney is scary to them as they’d have to face reality that Obama has not only been a failure, but has seriously hurt the U.S.

Hokma

Matt – we know that but when 90% of Americans pick up their daily newspaper they only read the propaganda usually from AP wire or another newspaper like The Washington Post, or LA Times, or NY Times.

Or they turn on their local news and 90% of the time they are reciting the Obama false narrative and not the actual facts and news.

I saw, read, and heard it this morning – the protests and riots sparked by the film. – and ignore the real coordinated causes or the fact that there were warnings in Libya and even the President of Libya stating that it had nothing to do with the film.

Romney’s surrogates must call out the media on this conspiracy (and there is no other way of positioning it) treat them as the opponents and not the purveyors of the news.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

Agreed. Team Romney is not doing enough to get their message out, leaving the media to craft their own narrative, lies and all, to support Obama.
In the past it was Republicans and conservatives that railed against the Fairness Doctrine. I wonder if it might not still have valid role in government-licensed mediums, such as over-the-air television and radio?

Hokma

Agreed. While it might negatively impact radio it would be a major blow to TV and print and could level the playing field.

The indoctrination of a nation by the Obama driven media is about the most scandalous media event in American history.
HObama HObamanana

I think he should come right and say that the Obama Administration is lying to the American people, politicizing circumstances so that they won’t negatively impact his reelection chances. And willing to suppress the First Amendment to do so.

HObama HObamanana

I am much more concerned with what is being done in the name of Islam than I am whether or not it is a valid religion or if it is or is not compatible with our way of life. Think about it. Muslims have attacked and killed at least 4 Americans that did absolutely nothing to them. All of the evidence points to a pre-planned, coordinated assault using the premise of a blasphemous video as cover and a distraction to enable and excuse it. The President of the country where this happened has verified this. And it would seem that he would know what is going on in his country much better than we would. If the attacks haven’t proven that I don’t know what will.

Obama is pushing the meme that this was not a premeditated attack because to accept that it was would require him to assume responsibility and take action. Not to mention make him look like an ass for spiking the football on Bin Laden and appearing to shoot first and aim later as he has accused Mitt Romney.

Face it. Obama is covering up a crime against humanity because letting the facts shine brightly places the responsibility for these murders squarely upon him and diminishes (if not ends) his chances for reelection. That is the truth. His staff knows it. His Administration knows it. His political party knows it. And so do his media allies.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

Obama would clearly rather lie to the American people than to tell the truth about Islam and those that use it to attack the U.S. Let’s not forget that he has on multiple occasions said he’d defend Islam. Sad but true that he places that commitment above defending the U.S.

getfitnow

Now is this the attempt to take the ambassador to the hospital? NOT!
http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/09/16/video-proof-of-obamas-embassy-attack-lies-warning-graphic-content/
MJP

Obama and Hillary install a gay ambassador in a fundamentalist Moslem country with no protection. When he is sodomized and murdered, Obama goes to Vegas.
Now they are blaming the whole incident on a film. Hollywood, where is the outrage?

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

As some suggest, since Mohammed was a pediphile sociopath, maybe Obama and Hillary figured Stevens would sort of fit in. Go figure, being American trumped sexual orientation.

lola828

“since Mohammed was a pediphile sociopath”
So now we know what you are really all about. You are a bigoted Muslim hater.
You should just admit that upfront in your piece.
You are not serious or mature.

HObama HObamanana

So are you saying that a Muslim having sex with a 9 year old girl is not a pedophile?

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

Yes, now we know why Obama troll lola828 hides behind anonymity.
lola828

Where did you get that from? Is that from the video that has caused all the fuss? Are you an expert on Islam and the Prophet Mohammed like Weaver appartently is?

HELENK2

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49060045

tunisian security forces surround mosque to arrest salafist leader involved in US embassy attack
lola828

“What happens if we come to the conclusion that we, the United States and our Western allies, are under direct and indirect attack by Islam? What happens if we realize that we are at war with a “religion” that is hell-bent on destroying everything that is not Islam?”

Weaver you are an idiot?

The West and the United States is not at war with Islam. And if Larry Johnson thinks we are by letting you post this bullshit on NQ, then Larry Johnson should be advising nobody in national security issues.

So you think the actions of a few extremists represent the 1.7 billion muslims on the planet?

So you actually believe that the actions of the Taliban in Afghanistan or a few hundred religious/soccer hooligans in Egypt represents the entire world muslim population and their view of the U.S. and that they all think they are at war with the U.S. Bullshit.

Just look at the top 10 muslim countries in the world (representing almost 70% of all muslims):

1. Indonesia
2. Pakistan
3. India
4. Bangladesh
5. Egypt
6. Nigeria
7. Iran
8. Turkey
9. Algeria
10. Morocco

Other than in Iran, Egypt and Pakistan there is almost zero animosity toward Americans in those countries and even in Pakistan, Egypt the Iran the majority of the population in those countries likely have reasonably positive views on the west and America. Muslims are not at war with America. Far from it.

62% of the muslim population lives in Asia where there is very little animosity toward the U.S.

Your thinking Weaver represents the worst in America. You do nothing but spread bullshit and baseless exaggerated fear and anger in America. That is all you are doing with this post on NQ. You are once again degrading NQ and any credibility Larry Johnson once had.

Weaver were you the Author of that video?

HELENK2

i am sure you would be happy living in the peaceful ME. how soon can you move there. just do not expect any protection from your hero. Our embassies could not get any why should you

lola828

Our Embassies have plenty of protection. You are insulting all of our service members who protect our Embassies every single day in the Middle East.

HObama HObamanana

Apparently the Consulate in Libya didn’t have adequate protection.
Hokma

Moron. You cannot defend the indefensible.

Two former SEALS who were private contractors cannot defend against a mob who have rocket propelled grenades and did not even have an armor-plated car.

And there were 5 (five) prior incidents in Libya and the new Libyan President gave a warning 3 days earlier. So when Obama lies (that is L-I-E-S) that there was no actionable information he is committing a LIE and a Congressional Committee will soon document that. Of course don’t expect Pravda to report it or left wing on-line sites like Wiki to expose it.

lola828

You need to read a little better. Helen above says Embassies and not the consulate where Stevens was killed.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

So, lola828, you’d rather throw insults around than answer the question in a reasoned, mature manner? Figures. As others say, you really are not worth engaging as you are too immature to converse with and likely limited by your daily talking points.
Personally, if you were serious about a conversation, you’d step out from your anonymity and write politely and intelligently. Would you care to put your name and face on your words? I suspect, instead, that you don’t want anyone to know the trash your write as your co-workers, friends, and family would be highly embarrassed at what you write. Else, maybe you’d have to admit paid association with Obama and others supporting Obama?

Hokma

He would first have to step out his basement and get a basic education. He is running out of material and just becoming repetitive.

HObama HObamanana

He’s becoming repetitive because he thinks the Alinsky method will work here. It’s all he has been taught in Obama school. Poor little pea brain.

lola828

You just want to avoid engaging because you cannot support your moranic posts. You put this trash up on the web for the world to see, but you cannot defend your BS, making excuses why you don’t want to defend your stuff or deal with a little push-back.

Again, how can you say the U.S. is at war with Islam or Islam is at war with America when the vast majority of Muslims come from countries that have very good relationships wtih the U.S.?

Now you can say Islamic extremists are at war with America. That is what you should have titled your post.

HObama HObamanana

Lola, you ignorant slut. Matthew did not say that the U.S. was at war with Islam. He asks questions. What ifs? It’s a mental exercise, which is probably why you are confused.

lola828

Read the title of the post.
Sure he asks the rhetorical questions, but he goes on with all of these BS images to make the case that Isalm/Muslims (he does not separate out extremists, but says Muslims) all follow the worst interpretations of the religion and are extremists. Weaver needs to educate himself about the Muslim religion what what the vast majority of Muslims’s believe.

Not a surprise, as fits the anti-Muslim MO of NQ. It has been going on for years on here. Goes with the NQ insensitivity and outright bigotry to minorities, women, etc. on NQ, Standard fair for a conservative website like NQ.

HObama HObamanana

You really are funny. Go to the Bill Maher school of dumbass potheads? How about you school us on Muslims. Give us your expert dissertation. I’m sure everyone here would appreciate it. And us being bigots toward minorities and women? You must have us confused with Obot Central. Perhaps it’s time that you got a long overdue defragging.

Hokma

“62% of the muslim population lives in Asia where there is very little animosity toward the U.S.”

You are really in a dream world.

“a few hundred religious/soccer hooligans in Egypt”

Clearly you an’t count and it is just a few more countries than just Egypt.

You really should ask your mommy to let you out of your basement a little – maybe even watch the news.

lola828

“You are really in a dream world. ”
Where do you think the majority of Muslims live?
Out of the 82 million people in Egypt, how many do you think are protesting in front of the U.S. Embassy?

Hokma

there were not a few hundred. More importantly if you had slightly amount of intelligence you would understand that this was condoned by the government much the same way the Ayatollah condoned the takeover of our embassy in Tehran by 500 students. Get it? It was only 500 students and not the entire population of Iran. That is just how utterly ignorant your comment is.

Bottom line? Obama is a clear and present danger to the United States as well as much of the western world.

lola828

Another lame response from you. So you think the protests in Egypt are Islam at war with America? Bullshit. By your logic I guess you think OWS represents all Americans then.

HELENK2

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/us-outposts-still-face-threat-in-muslim-world/2012/09/16/2c4706c4-0033-11e2-b257-e1c2b3548a4a_story.html?wprss=rss_world

US embassies still under threat

backtrack still campaigning
HELENK2

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/17/american-consulate-in-pakistan-under-siege-one-killed/

American consulate in pakistan under siege one protester killed
HELENK2

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/video-shows-terrorists-with-rocket-propelled-grenades-at-us-consulate-in-libya/

video shows RPGs at US consulate in Libya

protesters always carry RPGs don’t they

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

Hey, they are in aisle 12 at your local Wal-Mart.

HELENK2

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/obama-uses-mideast-chaos-to-attack-our-constitutional-rights/

backtrack uses ME chaos to attack our constitutional rights
HELENK2

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/16/egypts-islamic-tv-talkswith-iron-salafist/

Egypt’s islamic tv talks with iron salafist
HELENK2

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57513675/a-look-at-the-libya-safe-house-that-was-attacked/

video of the libya safe house that was attacked after the attack on the consulate
HELENK2

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/09/17/thousands-of-afghans-rampage-over-mohammed-film-we-will-defend-our-prophet-until-we-have-blood-across-our-bodies/

thousands of afghans rampage over mohammed film we will defend our prophet until we have blood across our bodies

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

Here’s an idea. Use this pretext to root out all of the crazies everywhere That way we can identify and separate them from the equation as they are not sane, not civilized, and simply need to be removed quickly and quietly from the equation. If, as lola828 defends, they are a very small subset of the Islamic population, everyone else will be much better off. And, if lola828 is wrong, then maybe everyone will wake up to the fact that Islam is not a religion, just hate.

HELENK2

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/09/17/libya-says-islamist-group-that-killed-ambassador-stevens-was-in-contact-with-al-qaeda-faction-in-control-of-mali/

libya says islamist group that killed ambassador Stevens was in contact with al qaeda faction in control of mali
HELENK2

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19625167

protests still going on in various countries in the ME
HELENK2

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/09/16/nakoula-arrest-photoshops-best-of-the-best/

photoshopped photos of the arrest the violated the constitution

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

A couple problems with the hysterics of the PJ Media page. First, the guy wasn’t arrested (and he was subsequently released), Second, he is a convicted felon with probation rules that prohibit him from computers and the Internet since he’s used them for fraud. Unless I’m mistaken, I haven’t read anywhere suggesting he be or was arrested for his amatuerish video. Nor is he being held accountable for his views or told not to have them.
Whether it helps the Obama meme that protests were a result of the video or not (and in my opinion they are not), I have no problem with outing the producer, participants, and financiers of the movie. Anonymity is not a license to be stupid, lola828 excepted. People should be responsible-enough to stand by their actions and their ideas as they are not worth much if you instead cower in anonymity, ashamed and embarrassed at what you have done, are doing, or are thinking and suggesting. Seriously, while he might be jailed for violation his probation, this guy has no real fear of persecution in the U.S.

HELENK2

he is getting death threats from the islamists because backtrack used his film as an excuse for the violence. The newspapers printed his name and location. Hell I am slightly worried, the NYT printed the location of one of the people involved and he lives in my small town. Will our town get invaded with a bunch of fruitcakes because backtrack played mighty mouse on the death of ben laden and picking names to use drones to kill. then when the shit hits the fan he blames a lousy film.

http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

I’d be more worried that Obama might come for a visit.

HELENK2

it might do him good. he needs to be told a few truths

binky354

Thought this might be appropriate to be seen again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=JVAhr4hZDJE&vq=medium#t=19*

HELENK2

HAPPY CONSTITUTION DAY

thank you for sharing that video

http://www.facebook.com/adrienne.d.wilson Adrienne D. Wilson

I’m glad you wrote this. I remember 2008, well, post-Wright and I began to research — anyway this was part of that. Uppity was writing about Sharia so I began to look into that a bit as well — I wish now I had read the book I was writing about, because today these ideas? Here was my blog, back then. http://vbonnaire.wordpress.com/2008/12/28/2012-the-book-all-people-should-read-now-to-end-war-the-clash-of-civilizations-and-the-remaking-of-world-order/
http://www.facebook.com/adrienne.d.wilson Adrienne D. Wilson

I had some research 4 years ago post-Wright on various ideologies at work that we might not have known about? This is part of that research I did. Only now it is four years later. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/farrakhan-releases-militant-video-featuring-solders-of-muhammed-teaching-children-to-march-sing-about-nation-of-islam/

HObama HObamanana

These people teach hatred of whites. I’ve had a few run ins with them over the years and each time I’ve reached out with a hand of friendship seeking understanding and unity it was shoved away and spat upon. I can only handle being called a “white devil” so many times before my compassion and empathy takes a hike.

http://www.facebook.com/adrienne.d.wilson Adrienne D. Wilson

In the initial research, I remember thinking, WTF? But, really since Malcolm X this has been preached. I have not seen the poverty at levels I looked at the other day in the northern states — especially cities like Detroit. Watching the videos was just unbelievable. Somebody has got to address the poverty in the country. Soon. Anyway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02x8EHXPfB0 –
http://www.facebook.com/adrienne.d.wilson Adrienne D. Wilson

More: http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/National_News_2/article_7316.shtml
HObama HObamanana

It seems that there are a few cracks in the Obama/Clinton/Rice/Carney lying armor. One media outlet, obviously loyal to The One, has come out suggesting that maybe the attack in Libya wasn’t a spontaneous accident that got out of hand. Believe it or not, NBC is reporting that U.S. Officials are reporting (anonymously of course) that the attack is likely the work of Al Qaeda.

I don’t think Prezzy Obama is going to be very happy about this. And what is Chris Matthews going to do about his tingle?
http://www.theindependentview.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

NEWS FLASH!!! Lola828 defends sex with 9 year old girl.
No wonder Obama troll Lola828 hides behind anonymity.