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		<title>By: Kian</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/727/nonsense-from-ohanlon-and-pollack/#comment-1203830</link>
		<dc:creator>Kian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 01:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Government Pay Banding...&lt;/strong&gt;

Maybe, but I&#039;m not sure it&#039;for everyone....</description>
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<p>Maybe, but I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;for everyone&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: samosamo</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/727/nonsense-from-ohanlon-and-pollack/#comment-18553</link>
		<dc:creator>samosamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if O’Hanlon, Graham, Malkin, McCain, or Lieberman would like to be embedded somewhere outside the green zone. Another case of the 25%ers big mouths still leading our country into the ground.
People, we better all wake up. My hopes now are that it is not too late to get our country back from the corporate lackeys because the new &#039;order&#039; in this country and the world is the &#039;elitist&#039; that are above any laws and accountability. The next go round of elected crap in 08 does not promise to be a help, after all if little w can have all the power why would any of the newly elected crap want to not keep that power so they can profit by it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if O’Hanlon, Graham, Malkin, McCain, or Lieberman would like to be embedded somewhere outside the green zone. Another case of the 25%ers big mouths still leading our country into the ground.<br />
People, we better all wake up. My hopes now are that it is not too late to get our country back from the corporate lackeys because the new &#8216;order&#8217; in this country and the world is the &#8216;elitist&#8217; that are above any laws and accountability. The next go round of elected crap in 08 does not promise to be a help, after all if little w can have all the power why would any of the newly elected crap want to not keep that power so they can profit by it.</p>
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		<title>By: RS Janes</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/727/nonsense-from-ohanlon-and-pollack/#comment-18254</link>
		<dc:creator>RS Janes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to find out if these two &#039;liberal&#039; Brookings &#039;scholars&#039; are getting a little under the table.

The news I heard recently on the elimination of Al Qaeda in the western provinces claimed that the tribal leaders had basically told our military to provide them with weapons and stay out of the way. We did and they got rid of most of Al Qaeda. Now, what will those Sunni tribesmen, who all want our occuaption to end, do with the weapons we helpfully provided them?

Then there&#039;s this news from the AP today &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20065991/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Largest Sunni bloc leaves Iraq government&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&quot; That means the only &#039;coalition&#039; left in Bush&#039;s Iraqi  government are the Shia and the Kurds, and the Kurds want independence. Yep, the surge is working -- to make things worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to find out if these two &#8216;liberal&#8217; Brookings &#8216;scholars&#8217; are getting a little under the table.</p>
<p>The news I heard recently on the elimination of Al Qaeda in the western provinces claimed that the tribal leaders had basically told our military to provide them with weapons and stay out of the way. We did and they got rid of most of Al Qaeda. Now, what will those Sunni tribesmen, who all want our occuaption to end, do with the weapons we helpfully provided them?</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s this news from the AP today &#8220;<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20065991/" rel="nofollow"><strong>Largest Sunni bloc leaves Iraq government</strong></a>.&#8221; That means the only &#8216;coalition&#8217; left in Bush&#8217;s Iraqi  government are the Shia and the Kurds, and the Kurds want independence. Yep, the surge is working &#8212; to make things worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Henika</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/727/nonsense-from-ohanlon-and-pollack/#comment-18253</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Henika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key word for Brooking&#039;s Institute foreign policy is the military term &quot;engagement&quot;. The key strategy of the Bush Administration re: military intervention and the rebuilding of Iraq is &quot;privatization&quot;. An Iraqi &#039;peacebuilding initiative&#039; in which the basic principle is &#039;helping people to help themselves&#039; -  will never proceed as long &quot;engagement&quot; and &quot;privatization&quot; are locked into the Bush Administration agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key word for Brooking&#8217;s Institute foreign policy is the military term &#8220;engagement&#8221;. The key strategy of the Bush Administration re: military intervention and the rebuilding of Iraq is &#8220;privatization&#8221;. An Iraqi &#8216;peacebuilding initiative&#8217; in which the basic principle is &#8216;helping people to help themselves&#8217; &#8211;  will never proceed as long &#8220;engagement&#8221; and &#8220;privatization&#8221; are locked into the Bush Administration agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/727/nonsense-from-ohanlon-and-pollack/#comment-18239</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Englehardt &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174827/michael_schwartz_benchmarking_iraq_for_disaster&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;shreds O&#039;Hanlan and Pollack &lt;/a&gt; in his introduction to a very important Michael Schwartz piece on the &quot;The Surge&quot;™. I recommend this piece both for what Englehardt has to say, and of course for Michael Schwartz&#039;s excellent analysis. Please read it/

Tom on O&#039;Hanlan and Pollack (emphasis added by me):

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Their carefully cobbled together formula for where it might take American forces went like this: It had &quot;the potential to produce not necessarily ‘victory&#039; but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with.&quot;...Of course, &lt;b&gt;O&#039;Hanlon&#039;s and Pollack&#039;s ideas about what &quot;Iraqis could live with&quot; and Iraqi ideas on the subject may turn out to differ somewhat&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; [Thank you, Tom! That was my first reaction, too, to their incredible presumption in deciding on behalf of the Iraqis what the Iraqis could live with without actually consulting a single one of the Iraqis who would have to live with it (the opportunists, quislings, collaborators, and wannabes living in up in the Green Zone do not count as part of &quot;the Iraqis&quot; in this case). This awareness is one of the reasons I love Tom Englehardt!]

&quot;&lt;i&gt;On the day of the O&#039;Hanlon/Pollack op-ed, a summary report on the humanitarian situation in Iraq by the international aid group Oxfam and about 80 other aid agencies, gave the concept of &#039;sustainable stability&#039; some grim meaning. In fact, the report -- which the administration did not rush to pass out to a single reporter -- added up to a functional definition of Iraq as a land in a state of unsustainable instability, a &#039;nation&#039; in which an estimated one million families are now headed by widows. From child malnutrition to &#039;absolute poverty,&#039; large-scale unemployment to an almost blanket lack of effective sanitation, &lt;b&gt;the Iraqis O&#039;Hanlon and Pollack didn&#039;t meet with are in a hell on Earth&lt;/b&gt;. The Oxfam report estimates that almost one-third of the Iraqi population is &#039;in need of emergency aid.&#039;&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

&quot;&lt;i&gt;...while Pollack and O&#039;Hanlon met with the &quot;known knowns&quot; in the equivalent of Green Zone Iraq, a brave French reporter, Anne Nivat, spent two weeks living as an Iraqi in a Shiite neighborhood in &quot;Red Zone&quot; Baghdad.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

&quot;&lt;i&gt;From Nivat, you get a very different picture of &quot;sustainable&quot; Iraq, a place, it turns out, where you&#039;re lucky to get 1-2 hours of electricity delivered a day, while the temperatures soar to 130 degrees...&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

&quot;&lt;i&gt;The Shiite man, who took Nivat around for her two weeks in Baghdad...told her: &#039;&lt;b&gt;My uncles and cousins were murdered by Saddam&#039;s regime. I wanted desperately to get rid of him. But today, if Saddam&#039;s feet appeared in front of me, I would fall to my knees and kiss them!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&#039;&quot; 

&quot;&lt;i&gt;In the meantime, of course, the Bush administration -- with a helping hand from O&#039;Hanlon and Pollack -- continues along a path guaranteed not to create a newly sustainable Iraq, but to prolong Iraq&#039;s unsustainable instability for endless months, or years, or even decades to come.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Englehardt <a href="http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174827/michael_schwartz_benchmarking_iraq_for_disaster" rel="nofollow">shreds O&#8217;Hanlan and Pollack </a> in his introduction to a very important Michael Schwartz piece on the &#8220;The Surge&#8221;™. I recommend this piece both for what Englehardt has to say, and of course for Michael Schwartz&#8217;s excellent analysis. Please read it/</p>
<p>Tom on O&#8217;Hanlan and Pollack (emphasis added by me):</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Their carefully cobbled together formula for where it might take American forces went like this: It had &#8220;the potential to produce not necessarily ‘victory&#8217; but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with.&#8221;&#8230;Of course, <b>O&#8217;Hanlon&#8217;s and Pollack&#8217;s ideas about what &#8220;Iraqis could live with&#8221; and Iraqi ideas on the subject may turn out to differ somewhat</b>.</i>&#8221; [Thank you, Tom! That was my first reaction, too, to their incredible presumption in deciding on behalf of the Iraqis what the Iraqis could live with without actually consulting a single one of the Iraqis who would have to live with it (the opportunists, quislings, collaborators, and wannabes living in up in the Green Zone do not count as part of "the Iraqis" in this case). This awareness is one of the reasons I love Tom Englehardt!]</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>On the day of the O&#8217;Hanlon/Pollack op-ed, a summary report on the humanitarian situation in Iraq by the international aid group Oxfam and about 80 other aid agencies, gave the concept of &#8216;sustainable stability&#8217; some grim meaning. In fact, the report &#8212; which the administration did not rush to pass out to a single reporter &#8212; added up to a functional definition of Iraq as a land in a state of unsustainable instability, a &#8216;nation&#8217; in which an estimated one million families are now headed by widows. From child malnutrition to &#8216;absolute poverty,&#8217; large-scale unemployment to an almost blanket lack of effective sanitation, <b>the Iraqis O&#8217;Hanlon and Pollack didn&#8217;t meet with are in a hell on Earth</b>. The Oxfam report estimates that almost one-third of the Iraqi population is &#8216;in need of emergency aid.&#8217;&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>&#8220;<i>&#8230;while Pollack and O&#8217;Hanlon met with the &#8220;known knowns&#8221; in the equivalent of Green Zone Iraq, a brave French reporter, Anne Nivat, spent two weeks living as an Iraqi in a Shiite neighborhood in &#8220;Red Zone&#8221; Baghdad.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>From Nivat, you get a very different picture of &#8220;sustainable&#8221; Iraq, a place, it turns out, where you&#8217;re lucky to get 1-2 hours of electricity delivered a day, while the temperatures soar to 130 degrees&#8230;</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>The Shiite man, who took Nivat around for her two weeks in Baghdad&#8230;told her: &#8216;<b>My uncles and cousins were murdered by Saddam&#8217;s regime. I wanted desperately to get rid of him. But today, if Saddam&#8217;s feet appeared in front of me, I would fall to my knees and kiss them!</b></i>&#8216;&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;<i>In the meantime, of course, the Bush administration &#8212; with a helping hand from O&#8217;Hanlon and Pollack &#8212; continues along a path guaranteed not to create a newly sustainable Iraq, but to prolong Iraq&#8217;s unsustainable instability for endless months, or years, or even decades to come.</i>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: mudkitty</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/727/nonsense-from-ohanlon-and-pollack/#comment-18236</link>
		<dc:creator>mudkitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What ever happened to sunshine government?  I mean, we&#039;re not talking about troop positions here.  If someone can&#039;t give candid advice to a president, except in secret, that&#039;s a red flag right there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What ever happened to sunshine government?  I mean, we&#8217;re not talking about troop positions here.  If someone can&#8217;t give candid advice to a president, except in secret, that&#8217;s a red flag right there.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/727/nonsense-from-ohanlon-and-pollack/#comment-18161</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just sad.... just sad....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just sad&#8230;. just sad&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/727/nonsense-from-ohanlon-and-pollack/#comment-18156</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curious how O&#039;Hanlan and Pollack interviewed all these Iraqis and officials and not a single one has a name. Why would an official need anonymity to praise Bush&#039;s Iraq policies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curious how O&#8217;Hanlan and Pollack interviewed all these Iraqis and officials and not a single one has a name. Why would an official need anonymity to praise Bush&#8217;s Iraq policies?</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, very true CK, but only in this reality. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, very true CK, but only in this reality. <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jerryb</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/727/nonsense-from-ohanlon-and-pollack/#comment-18151</link>
		<dc:creator>jerryb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I,m not sure the media is buying it this time. Wolfie was interviewing O&#039;Hanlon yesterday and actually pressed him about whether or not he was travelling around Bagdad on his own or was he being escourted by the military. He had to admit that his travels were under the protection of the military. Reminicent of McCain and Graham and their little fantasy trip, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I,m not sure the media is buying it this time. Wolfie was interviewing O&#8217;Hanlon yesterday and actually pressed him about whether or not he was travelling around Bagdad on his own or was he being escourted by the military. He had to admit that his travels were under the protection of the military. Reminicent of McCain and Graham and their little fantasy trip, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/727/nonsense-from-ohanlon-and-pollack/#comment-18150</link>
		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sold that cat to Schroedinger.
He paid with quantum cash.
You couldn&#039;t tell its value
or whose pocket it was in 
Thus I am indirectly responsible for the invention of the Federal Reserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sold that cat to Schroedinger.<br />
He paid with quantum cash.<br />
You couldn&#8217;t tell its value<br />
or whose pocket it was in<br />
Thus I am indirectly responsible for the invention of the Federal Reserve.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the best that can be said is that after four years of futzing around, the US military is finally doing something right in Iraq? Talk about damming with faint praise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the best that can be said is that after four years of futzing around, the US military is finally doing something right in Iraq? Talk about damming with faint praise.</p>
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		<title>By: Delia</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/727/nonsense-from-ohanlon-and-pollack/#comment-18129</link>
		<dc:creator>Delia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here&#039;s a snippet of a song, courtesy of Gordon Lightfoot:

Sometimes I think it&#039;s a sin
When I feel like I&#039;m winnin&#039;
When I&#039;m losin&#039; again.

Of course that&#039;s more eloquent than these fools deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here&#8217;s a snippet of a song, courtesy of Gordon Lightfoot:</p>
<p>Sometimes I think it&#8217;s a sin<br />
When I feel like I&#8217;m winnin&#8217;<br />
When I&#8217;m losin&#8217; again.</p>
<p>Of course that&#8217;s more eloquent than these fools deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: bob h</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thinks of Armstrong Williams.  Who funds O&#039;Hothead and Pollack for their work on Iraq?  Is it possible this was written to enhance the chance of getting DoD contract funding?  Wouldn&#039;t surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thinks of Armstrong Williams.  Who funds O&#8217;Hothead and Pollack for their work on Iraq?  Is it possible this was written to enhance the chance of getting DoD contract funding?  Wouldn&#8217;t surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: bob h</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/727/nonsense-from-ohanlon-and-pollack/#comment-18127</link>
		<dc:creator>bob h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And just what will we have won?  Al Qaeda and its franchisees in Pakistan, UK, North Africa, Spain, etc. will still be there with new recruits and weapons training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just what will we have won?  Al Qaeda and its franchisees in Pakistan, UK, North Africa, Spain, etc. will still be there with new recruits and weapons training.</p>
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