UPDATE from HelenK2: YOU MUST watch the video that HelenK2 discovered. Then-Senators Barack Obama and Joe Biden voted (1) AGAINST needed money for victims of Hurricane Katrina, and (2) AGAINST ending the funding for the “bridge to nowhere.” And CNN, to its great credit, aired the video of the reporter whose name, regrettably, isn’t listed and which I can’t recall at the moment. THANK YOU, HELENK2 and CNN. Thanks as well to HeroOrAZero for posting this video. (Hero, I’ve sent you a message and invited you to visit our blog. We always need more people who aren’t zeroes to be a part of Larry Johnson‘s blog. Hero, we try here to “do unto others” and, sometimes, we DO do unto others, if you catch my drift.

Original: Check in here at 8:30 p.m. ET … and we’re hoping for no Mamathons late tonight! (For those of you too young to remember, that’s a reference to a hysterically funny scene from the great flick Primary Colors, when John Travolta (Bill Clinton aka Gov. Jack Stanton) and Billy Bob Thornton (James Carville aka Richard Jemmons) drink a few brewskies and sob, wailing about their beloved, much-missed mothers. The lines from that movie are so great, I’m going to intersperse them with the hard-core guns and howitzers we hope Mitt Romney brings with him tonight:

[about Gov. Jack Stanton]
Libby Holden [Stanton’s Aide, played by Kathy Bates]: He’s poked his pecker in some sorry trash bins.

Richard Jemmons: I’m blacker than you are. I got some slave in me, I can feel it.

Bronwyn: Looks like he’s not the only white man who’s blacker than Tucker Carlson!

Then we have some white women who think they’re black too!


Gov. Jack Stanton: I’m going to tell you something really outrageous. I’m going to tell you the truth.

Jack Stanton: We can do incredible things. We can change this country. I’m gonna win this thing. Look me in the eye, Henry, and tell me that you don’t want to be a part of it.


I don’t care WHO you’re voting for. This is damn funny:


More memorable facts about “Primary Colors“:

+ Allison Janney played the hapless, helpless librarian who gave Gov. Stanton a quickie. Janney later became a TV star on West Wing as Claudia Jean ‘C.J.’ Cregg, a smarter, hipper, female version of Obama’s Press Secretary Jay Carney, and since then is a first-rate character actor in films such as “Juno” with six — count ’em six — films in various phases of production.

+ Billy Bob Thornton — where’s he been lately? — played the James Carville character. I’d give anything to know if James Carville was like that in his before-Mary-Matalin days (that still looks like an improbable romance and longterm marriage, but those two stick it out, even if it is for their children). Btw, I have no idea what Matalin and Carville’s marriage is like. I just saw them in a TV ad last week! Dang … what product were they promoting? Maybe that’s their secret. Those two can sell ice cream to Eskimos, er, indigenous people where it’s too damn cold, baby.

+ Emma Thompson has been and always will be a brilliant British actress, but she was a scream as an exasperated Hillary Clinton (Susan Stanton):

Susan Stanton: Your grandfather was a great man. Jack Stanton could also be a great man, if he wasn’t such a faithless, thoughtless, disorganized, undisciplined shit.


SEE YOU AT 8:30 p.m. This info will go up with the live thread, but just in case you need it sooner:

2012 Presidential Elections & Topics.”

Topic: Domestic policy
Time: 9:00-10:30 p.m. ET
Location: University of Denver in Denver, Colorado (Tickets)
Sponsor: Commission on Presidential Debates
Participants: President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney
Moderator: Jim Lehrer (Host, NewsHour PBS)

The debate is divided into 6 time segments, approximately 15 minutes each. Topics: Moderator’s Choices:
Economy – 45 minutes
Health Care – 15 minutes
Role of Government – 15 minutes
Governing – 15 minutes

Lehrer will ask a question; Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have two minutes to respond. Lehrer “will use the balance of the time in the segment for a discussion of the topic.”

  • mumphrey

    Do you know what was in the amendment? It failed 15-82. Five of the top six Republican leaders voted against this amendment: Frist, McConnell, Santorum, Hutchison and Dole. Only Kyl, the Republican Policy Committee Chairman voted for it. Trent Lott and Thad Cochran, the Republican senators from neighboring Mississippi, voted against it. Bot Republican senators from neighboring Texas voted against it. John McCain didn’t vote at all. Republican James Inhofe, who represents Oklahoma with Tom Coburn, who brought up the amendment, voted against it. Hillary Clinton, whom you all loved once upon a time, voted no.
    This was not a controversial vote. Without knowing all the workings going on in the Senate on this bill and all its amendments that senators tried to attach to it–and senators often try to put amendments on bills that will poison then bill–it’s idiotic to hang any kind of claim of hypocrisy around President Obama’s or Vice President Biden’s necks. Go find the wording of the bill and the wording of the amendment, and if the circumstances are as bad as you make them out to be, then you’ll have something to hit President Obama and Vice President Biden with. Of course, if that turns out to be true, then you own guys are just as responsible as the Democrats were.

  • getfitnow

    That One looks like he’s sucking on a lemon. Why does he keep invoking Clinton?

  • getfitnow

    Mitt is in control!

    Keep it up.

  • getfitnow

    He seems to be agreeing with the Mitt like he did with Hillary.
    What a loser.

  • getfitnow

    Already, That One has not answered the first question. Same old words, words, words.



    jim lehrer may ask foreign policy question.
    I hope it is about the lack of security before and after the murder at benghazi

  • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

    I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE IT! I just began watching the ‘pre-show’ on YouTube, which is hosted by ABC news. Jake Tapper summed up the respective debate experience. He said something like, ‘Obama can be forceful.’ Then, he showed a clip of Obama in 2008 saying, ‘If Osama ben Laden is in our sites and the Pakistani government refuses to take him out, then we will.’

    I am already swearing out loud.

    • BronwynsHarbor

      CHILL. Pour a beverage. Let us know how you’re doing.

  • HARP2
    • HELENK2


      in his 2007 speech he lied about the stafford bill being waivered. It was waiverd and he voted AGAINST it being waivered

      • HARP2

        Ten days before Obama went to race bait in his now infamous ‘race
        speech’ from 2007, he voted against an appropriate that would have
        waived the Stafford Act and was one of only 14 Senators to do so. The
        appropriation obviously passed which did waive the Stafford Act – no
        thanks to Obama. And still he went to that event and falsely used it to
        race bait.

        Hillary and Kerry were in that 14 also.


      • HObama HObamanana

        Holy shit! I completely take back everything I said earlier about this tape. This is a devastating find. Wow Helen, excellent work!!!

        • HoosierinDixie

          I agree. Way to go Helen. Please keep in mind Stephanie Cutter sent out a tweet earlier telling the kool-aid kids to spam twitter, facebook and all blog sites during and after the debate. She also told them to stop by their site so they will know what say. If you choose to engage them, please ask them to explain his vote against the waiver and why he didn’t reveal it in his speech.

    • BronwynsHarbor

      HE WHAT??? HE DID WHAT??????

      OMG. If there is a God, Mitt Romney will hammer Obama in the 15-minute segment on health care.

    • BronwynsHarbor

      I’m going to add this at the top as an update.

      • getfitnow

        I’ve been online all day so it may be my eyes, but your post reads like they voted for $$ for Katrina and against $$ for bridge.

        In any event, the video facts are clear.

        • BronwynsHarbor

          NO! I am glad you can read! In my rush … blah, blah … thank you so much. We ALL need proofreaders.


    President Obama won the coin toss, he’ll get the first question – CSPAN #debates

    backtrack gets the first question.
    how can he steal romney’s idea if he goes first??

    • mumphrey

      Let us know what insidious method the president used to unfairly win the coin toss, will you?



    best place to watch would be c-span

    other channels lights, camera, drool over obama

    • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

      THANK YOU. That has to be better than YouTube, hosted by ABC News. (See previous comment!)

    • getfitnow

      It’s the only way.

  • KataKimbe

    I seriously can’t take this stress… and I am not even on that stage. Not expecting too much fairness from moderator.

    • piattq

      Of all the moderators to come I think JL like will be the most fair.