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Pre-Debate Info: It is indeed “Come to Mama” Time!


2012 Presidential Elections & Topics.

Topic: Domestic policy
Time: 9:00-10:30 p.m. ET
Location: University of Denver in Denver, Colorado (Tickets)
Sponsor: Commission on Presidential Debates
Participants: President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney
Moderator: Jim Lehrer (Host, NewsHour PBS)

The debate is divided into 6 time segments, approximately 15 minutes each.
Topics / Moderator’s Choices:
Economy – 45 minutes
Health Care – 15 minutes
Role of Government – 15 minutes
Governing – 15 minutes



More on the debate:

Lehrer will ask a question; Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have two minutes to respond. Lehrer “will use the balance of the time in the segment for a discussion of the topic.”

The debate will focus on domestic policy and be divided into six time segments of approximately 15 minutes each on topics to be selected by the moderator and announced several weeks before the debate.

The moderator will open each segment with a question, after which each candidate will have two minutes to respond. The moderator will use the balance of the time in the segment for a discussion of the topic.

All of the details come from my “Farmers Almanac” Web site, “2012 Presidential Elections” with its encyclopedic links to news, blog posts, and videos of recent appearances, including both Barack Obama’s and Mitt Romney’s interviews aired on both CBS’s 60 Minutes and Univision. The site also posted Paul Ryan’s Fox News interview on September 30th.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Here we go!

  • http://www.facebook.com/mary.cusack Mary Cusack

    I can’t watch even for romney I can’t stand that thing called obama

    • Theymustbemorons

      Watch on c-span, turn on the closed captions, and hit the mute button. You can see their words and don’t have to hear “his” voice!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    I fear no matter how well Romney does, the media will declare Obama the winner. It’s so frustrating!!!

  • I_cant_take_this

    Oh boy

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    I’m so nervous right now. Seriously. Please Romney do well!!!!

  • I_cant_take_this

    He looks nervous

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

      He does look kind of nervous.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    The camera angle makes Obama’s head look like it is being twisted off.

    • NellieS

      IF you can look closely at Obama’s left ear, he has an ear piece in I believe! O cheating?? Can you believe this guys hutzpah??

      • TeakWoodKite

        can you pinpoint a minute mark?

  • I_cant_take_this

    Change the tax code now eh?

  • I_cant_take_this

    please… economic patriotism

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    He starts lying right off the bat, claiming the auto industry and economy is “roaring” back. Such BS

    • TeakWoodKite

      Yeah, can’t you just hear all that horse power from the rechargeable volt?

  • I_cant_take_this

    Yeh Mitt…you can actually defend yourself

  • I_cant_take_this

    He’s stalling…can’t respond to trickle down government comment…..you haven’t answered the damn question!

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      He’s trying to neutralize Romney by claiming agreement on lots of points. How many lies already?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    When Obama says “invest” he means spend

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Great opening summary by Romney, five sucinct points, clearly stated.

  • BronwynsHarbor

    Oh god … forgot my DVR was backed up. I accidentally hit the button for “LIVE TV” and now I missed the beginning … hope I didn’t miss much?.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

      Obama started lying about the economy. Surprised?

    • Theymustbemorons

      “There are no red states or blue states…” But, red ties and blue ties … yup!

      • http://www.facebook.com/mary.cusack Mary Cusack

        he must have a bunch of axelrod lines written on his palm

  • I_cant_take_this

    Corporate tax cut…that’s new…you’ll say anything your idiot

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    Obama seems SO nervous

  • I_cant_take_this

    Mitt looks calm…go Mitt. He really talks better in my opinion.

    • Madame_deFarge

      Well, Mitt doesn’t have to check himself when switching between, ghetto, southern homie and trying to sound smart.

      • I_cant_take_this

        haha good one

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Yeah! Using Biden against Obama with the “buried” quote. Nice touch, plus emotional, animated, and focused. Much clearer than Obama. Does anyone remotely remember what Obama has said so far? I sure don’t.

    • Theymustbemorons

      Remember when he debated Hillary and she always had to answer first and then he’d reply “I agree with her …”

      • vinnie winkel

        in his words “what Hillary said”…sheesh, word fog.

        • Theymustbemorons

          Yes!

    • I_cant_take_this

      I agree

  • BronwynsHarbor

    Romney is responding to Q … he is on fire! GREAT DETAILS on his plan and what Obama’s 4 years have done to families … god, how does he keep all that in his head? OH! Because he WORKS HIS ASS OFF and also happens to be brilliant, but he exercises his brain as much as his body!

    • elizabethrc

      You think Romney’s good with facts? Just wait until Ryan’s debate with Doofus.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Obama falling into “instructive” words and seems to want to lecture. Safe, arrogant, boring. “…ah, but I’m going to make an important point.” I’m not following his rambling point.

    • I_cant_take_this

      I agree

  • DDDDSSSS

    Obama won’t even look at Romney. And, he keeps smirking. I don’t think he realizes there’s a split screen.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mary.cusack Mary Cusack

      he’s such an arrogant fuck

      • TeakWoodKite

        m.

  • I_cant_take_this

    You do best when everyone is on the dole…you dipstick. You NEED to kill the middle class to do so.

  • BronwynsHarbor

    Obama seems so ho-hum .. like he’s reading the treasurer’s report at the local Rotary Club.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

      He keeps reverting back to class warfare.

  • I_cant_take_this

    Go MITT

  • DDDDSSSS

    Obama needs to watch his facial expressions. He doesn’t seem pleased with Romney correcting him.

    • I_cant_take_this

      Another term and obama will put a hit on him to correct Mitts attitude

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    Obama is really struggling in my opinion

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      Yes, he looks like he didn’t practice. Already looks petty.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mary.cusack Mary Cusack

        well he was at that las vegas esate “studing” like a king

  • I_cant_take_this

    Obama you can’t even remember what you’re responding to…

  • DDDDSSSS

    Didn’t take Obama long to have to bring up Clinton.

  • BettsAZ

    Obumbler looks small.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Did Obama just warn of Romney blowing up the deficit?! The gall.

  • http://twitter.com/JangoBear Sonya A. Willis

    Obozo is just repeating lies and talking points. Romney just laid out exactly what he would do and all BozoBama can do is talking points.

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      Obama has nothing beyond talking points

      • CathyInKs

        That was my “take” too Matthew!

  • I_cant_take_this

    He’s nervous and jittery.

    • KataKimbe

      Who?

      • I_cant_take_this

        Obaby

    • http://www.facebook.com/mary.cusack Mary Cusack

      aybe a good line of toot will do him

  • HELENK2

    Romney is explaining his plan in words even backtrack should be able to understand.

    backtrack not doing too well

    • I_cant_take_this

      agree

  • BettsAZ

    Obama is lying, as usual.

  • MG6

    I am forcing myself to watch this debate. Not because of Mitt, but because of the lies Obama has the cojones to spin.

  • I_cant_take_this

    4 trillion left behind by clinton, a crashed market in 2000, and 911 to deal with….you have no shame to blame everything on Bush and now Mitt…I wonder where we would be if OBAMA was in office in 2000.

    • CathyInKs

      We wouldn’t be here. God forbid!

  • KataKimbe

    Is Romney writing when he looks down?

    • DDDDSSSS

      Yes. The channel I’m watching is showing a split screen. Romney looks at Obama unless he’s writing. Obama looks down most of the time Romney is speaking.

  • DDDDSSSS

    Wow. Romney has corrected Obama on the same lie how many times already? Love that he does that every time Obama just repeats it again.

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      Like Romney says, repeating a lie umpteen times won’t make it true.

      • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

        Yes; ‘I have 5 sons… I know that repeating a lie…’

        • jrterrier

          i wasn’t clear on that point. was he saying that as a parent, he knows about children telling fibs?

        • DianaLC

          That was my favorite line. If you’ve raised five kids you KNEW what he was talking about.

  • HARP2

    Bye Bye Barry

  • BettsAZ

    So far, my vote is: Romney winning.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

      Me too, Mitt is doing well. The media will STILL declare Obama the winner, no matter what.

  • MG6

    My friends have threaten to lock me up in my bedroom if I continue to launch objects at the TV every time Obama speaks.
    Not to mention my choice of expressive language both in English and Spanish…

    • KataKimbe

      LOL.

    • PainKillerJayne

      I keep a bucket of dry sponges beside my chair to throw at the tv.

      • Sabinal

        good idea!

      • KenoshaMarge

        I have a couple of sponge “bricks” a friend gave me when Dubya was in office. I’ve used the more often since Obama got elected than I did then. That’s something I never expected to happen. But I was a Dem back then and now I’m an Independent.
        Neither party owns me now and never will again. I will vote for who I think if the best person, whatever the gender, whatever the ethnicity, for the job. I am free of partisanship at last.

    • jrterrier

      i just used the remote to change channels.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Obama: Excuses, excuses, excuses…

  • I_cant_take_this

    Here goes Obaby again…blame others again

  • TeakWoodKite

    I decided to watch the debates and after the TV had been for not 3 minutes, my sanehalf said she couldn’t watch Romney. LOL
    So I will catch the reruns. Go Mitt!

    • http://www.facebook.com/mary.cusack Mary Cusack

      you live with an obot?

      • TeakWoodKite

        Love is greater than our differences. As vast as they be. What would a kite be with out the wind?

        • arabella_trefoil

          That’s beautiful, Teakie.

  • Theymustbemorons

    Saying Obama’s debt is almost as much as all prior presidents combined is a good punch. Go Mitt!

  • HELENK2

    Mitt is kicking ass

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    Obama is struggling to defend his debt. He keeps babbling and babbling

  • HARP2

    Mitt is debating an empty chair.

    • Theymustbemorons

      LOL! Just fell on the floor!

    • MG6

      Nice!

    • I_cant_take_this

      true

    • beachnan

      Perfect Harp.

  • I_cant_take_this

    Waste…how about you golf vacations to Martha’s vineyaard….what percent cut did you make to that? How about your wife’s vacations all over the world with her gals.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Just glanced at Talking Points Memo, Josh is having a fit with Obama being “weird” and writes “Romney is uber-prepared. Double-uber prepared. Can barely find seconds to fit all his words and examples into. Obama seems tentative.”

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ND2FCCGVV2IZTTAZQTXKJTCPNI Ruth

      thanks matthew. i tried to get into morris’s tweets and it is so full, it isn’t possible. that says a lotl

  • http://twitter.com/JangoBear Sonya A. Willis

    Please no drinking games for Obozo’s lies or you will get alcohol poisoning!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    Invest = Spend spend spend

  • MG6

    How many billions of Tax payers monies did the Obama’s spend on their vacations!

  • I_cant_take_this

    Here go more lies…percent cuts…he can’t even count

  • HARP2

    Obama is looking at Mitt with pure hatred.

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      You couldn’t get those lips apart with an air chisel!

      • TeakWoodKite

        I have always wanted one of those.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Obama just said, yes, I want more taxes and Romney says absolutely no.

  • I_cant_take_this

    Oh yeh kill that sector too now

  • I_cant_take_this

    how about your and your wifes jet?

  • binky354

    For anyone watching who has not kept up with what this administration has wrought will be easily duped by Obama again.

  • DDDDSSSS

    So, Obama is prepared to pay the full cost of using AF1 for campaign trips instead of reimbursing only the amount of a first class ticket? Sounds like he should do that given what he said about private jets.

    • I_cant_take_this

      total agree

  • I_cant_take_this

    Taxing raises revenue? …and now we know why your academic records are sealed….you’re too stupid

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    Romney is doing a good job portraying Obama as a big tax and spend socialist

  • binky354

    Am I imagining it or is Leher giving Obama more latitude than Romney?

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      He’s trying but Romney’s having nothing of it.

  • DDDDSSSS

    You can see Obama’s prep now. Romney needs to shake him up again. Obama can’t respond to Romney without his canned prep.

  • I_cant_take_this

    Obama is babbling…he hasn’t used his mind in 4 years and it shows

  • TeakWoodKite

    “way over two minutes”

  • Theymustbemorons

    Love it! Romney pointing out Obama’s very, very bad business decisions, the solar energy companies and the waste of so much money.

    • DDDDSSSS

      “You don’t pick the winners and losers. You just pick the losers.” Loved that comment.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Romney is cleaning Obama’s clock. Wow, Obama is outclassed on every point.

    • I_cant_take_this

      I totally agree with you

  • Madame_deFarge

    FlimFlam looks a little sick. Daddy Mitt is instructing the wittle boy.

  • HELENK2

    I don’t backtrack has ever had anyone debate him like this.
    Mitt not taking any shit from backtrack

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    The moderator keeps interrupting Mitt and not Obama. So frustrating

  • TeakWoodKite

    Go Romney! Go jobs.

  • HARP2

    OBAMA PICKS THE LOSERS

    LOL LOL LOL

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    Social Security is NOT structurally sound!!! It’s going bankrupt!!

  • Madame_deFarge

    Here we go with the “personal” sob stories.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Social security… Obama looks lost. Not ready to address the question, thus lapsed to agreeing with Romney (and threw Reagan in for good measure).

    • HARP2

      Afraid to look Mitt in the eye

  • BronwynsHarbor

    I love how Romney keeps hammering JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!

  • I_cant_take_this

    Oh give me a break…You couldn’t care less about her or any woman

  • TeakWoodKite

    the oil industry in corporate wealth. Check your gas prices?

  • TeakWoodKite

    Tax break for jets? Air Force One. costs jow much an hour? 200k?
    Obama is such a liar.

  • I_cant_take_this

    What are you talking about obaby…he’s floating around as if he’s stoned

  • TeakWoodKite

    Education is a local matter if they have 10 year old text books.
    OBAMA is UNPREPARRED.

    • HELENK2

      but all that practice was SUCH A DRAG

      • TeakWoodKite

        Not practice…”homework”. Obama is saying he to disinterested and lazy to do his job. Deadly arrogance. It is such a drag to be POTUS is what he is saying. He is so out of his league.

  • I_cant_take_this

    GO MITT

  • PainKillerJayne

    41 minutes in and Barry is getting his ass whipped. I can’t even follow his incoherant rants. He is all over the place,
    Romney knows what he is talking about.

  • TeakWoodKite

    2.8 billion tax breaks. Oil.

  • I_cant_take_this

    Look at that smirk…he would off him if he gets another term

  • I_cant_take_this

    What’s so evil about a voucher program…if you’re 55 or less and its not done this way you will have NO MEDICARE

  • TeakWoodKite

    PICK the looser? “I have no idea what (obama) what your talking about.” Niether does Obama.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    It seems like Obama keeps babbling and dodging questions

  • I_cant_take_this

    AARP is your reference? You’re lost aren’t you?

    • HARP2

      Mitt appears to know what he`s talking about while Barry has memorized what Jarret told him.

      • I_cant_take_this

        HAAHAA…exactly

  • jemblue

    If Obama is so concerned about “tax breaks for companies shipping jobs overseas,” why hasn’t he acted on that? He is the President, after all.

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      Yes, four years and nothing.

  • HELENK2

    Is he talking about his typical white grandmother that he threw under the bus, or the grandmother that lives in a shack in Kenya

    • MG6

      Maybe his Aunt who lives in Ma living off the tax payers monies.

  • TeakWoodKite

    SS is “structurally sound” WTF?? oops “My grand mother died 3 days before I was elected president. (I thought Obama made sure she was under the bus.
    That asshole went to see her in sandals and Kaki’s.

    • I_cant_take_this

      and probably urged her to die faster

  • DDDDSSSS

    Obama seems to have forgotten that he let insurance lobbyists write the health care bill.

  • I_cant_take_this

    Well done mitt…reduce some benefits for the rich…Thats a good sound byte. WHO said it will weaken it…AARP again

  • KataKimbe

    Is my feeling that Romney kicking ass because I am biased?

    • jemblue

      I think he’s done a fantastic job thus far, despite Lehrer’s unprofessional comments/interruptions.

    • I_cant_take_this

      He sure is kicking ass

    • BettsAZ

      No…Romney IS kicking ass.! Just wait tho…the “media” will call Obama the winner

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Lehrer is betraying clear bias against Romney, defending and shoring up Obama.

    • elizabethrc

      It’s hard to not like Romney. Even Lehrer seemed to have trouble and was more even handed than I thought he’d be.

  • I_cant_take_this

    And fannie mae was bank rolling you…you pig

  • BettsAZ

    Admitted his grandmother was vice president of a bank…so I guess his struggling life of hard times is a another exposed LIE.

  • DDDDSSSS

    Obama needs to stop laughing every time Lehrer cuts off Romney. What a jerk.

  • HARP2

    I wonder if Barry will phone in sick for the next debate ?

  • HELENK2

    backtrack talking about banks giving loans to people who could not afford them. funny was he one of the ones threatening banks during is community organizing days????

  • I_cant_take_this

    Not the right kind of regulation obaby. Valery Jaret told you to say that eh?

  • DDDDSSSS

    And, there’s Obama’s first false straw man. I really should have done the drinking game.

    • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

      Yes…

  • binky354

    I’m disgusted with Leher – biased asshole. He is giving Obama more leeway.

    • http://twitter.com/JangoBear Sonya A. Willis

      Romney’s handling both of them very well though.

    • BettsAZ

      Fortunately, Mitt’s not playing the doormat!

    • CathyInKs

      I agree – more often than not, he let Obama ramble.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Let him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    Leher is blatantly interrupting Romney left and right, but letting Obama speak. Barf!

  • HARP2

    Even Kos is saying Mitt is winning.

    Calling him a bully……hahaha

    • DDDDSSSS

      How are they saying he’s being a bully? Disagreeing with Obama and correcting his lies is now not only racist but also bullying?

    • vinnie winkel

      leave Bawrack alone! Go mitt!

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      Mitt is a bully, an intellectual bully. Obama’s petulance is killing him. When Romney speaks, he looks down at the podium and shakes his head like a kid being reprimanded by an adult.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Reality.

    • I_cant_take_this

      YEHHHHHH!

    • KenoshaMarge

      Oh my, poor little prezzy!

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Is any channel running a continuous live feed on Obama. What little glimpses we get of him while Romney is talk shows him grimacing, laughing, smirking, and so forth.

    • DDDDSSSS

      FOX News is doing a split screen with both candidates the entire time.

      • http://twitter.com/JangoBear Sonya A. Willis

        So is C-Span

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    Mitt had a great line on Obamacare. After all the damage to our economy and loss of jobs, Obama chooses to focus on Obamacare. Excellent line

    • binky354

      But, Obama said he worked on both. No one rebutted.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Josh at Talking Points Memo scores this a win for Romney so far, a blowout actually: “My read so far is that if you go by energy and tossing out lots of data points, then Romney is running circles around the president. Obama has only on a few occasions really pressed a point hard. Whether that means he’s ‘winning’ I don’t know.”

    • binky354

      I just worry about those that have no clue what the facts really are. And, Leher lets him go on and on!

  • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

    MR is cleaning BO’s clock. No doubt. No reputable media outlet will say, BO won this debate.

    Best line of the night, from MR: ‘Here’s how I will cut the debt. Lower the tax rate on individuals (promotes job growth); grow the economy (increased tax revenues); and before I spend any money, ask this question: Is this program worth borrowing the money from China?

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      Yes, that was good.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    Romney is DESTROYING Obama on Obamacare

  • BettsAZ

    Obama getting scolded…

  • binky354

    I couldn’t have stood still when Obama rebutted just now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    Romney is DESTROYING Obama on the Obamacare topic

  • DDDDSSSS

    Lehrer is giving Obama a lot more uninterrupted time to speak. Then he’s cutting Romney off because they’ve gone over but that’s because Obama won’t stop verbally wandering.

  • domerabroad

    Romney is on fire! What am I seeing: honesty, genuine beliefs, clear policy lines, a man who is so comfortable in his own skin that he can brutally attack the President’s policies, as well as funding to PBS when the debate moderator is paid by PBS, and still come across as likeable. I haven’t been in this good a political mood in YEARS.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

      I agree!!! I wonder how much the media will spin it?

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      Yes, we have a winner here. A real candidate for a change, despite everything the media has tried to say otherwise.

      • jrterrier

        don’t worry, cnn has started it’s fact-checking and determined that Romney’s comment about Pres cutting medicare was false. NOT. but even o’donnell (who is the current olberman) said that romney won.

        • beachnan

          They are CRAZY!!!

  • DDDDSSSS

    It would be nice if every network was showing a split screen. Obama is being so disrespectful when Romney is speaking. Everyone should see that.

  • binky354

    Barf, barf, barf — If it’s already the law, it can’t help people with pre-existing conditions????

  • baldwin

    The audience looks at their watches during Fauxbama answers.

  • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

    HOME RUN. BO mentions Cleveland Clinic as example of keeping costs down without reducing care, so as to support his claims, we need to reduce costs by appointing a panel to determine which procedures are necessary. MR agrees; yes, the private Cleveland Clinic, in competition with other health care providers, has figured out ways to reduce operating costs without cutting care. AND THEY DID IT WITHOUT A GOVERNMENT PANEL!

  • BettsAZ

    Obama all over the place. Romney thinking “I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about”

    • MG6

      He’ll! I don’t know what the F&$k he is talking about!!!

      • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

        How true. He’s bouncing around topics. Like someone with their brain fried on drugs. Incoherent.

        • CathyInKs

          I think that might be part of Obama’s problem. I don’t think he ever stopped using drugs.

  • binky354

    Good place for Romney to throw in the line about Obama’s plan having to be passed before we could know what was in it!

  • DDDDSSSS

    Romney has said many times tonight what he would change and over an hour into this Obama is claiming Romney is being secretive about his plans?

  • http://twitter.com/JangoBear Sonya A. Willis

    Does Obama understand that by praising what Romney did in Mass. he’s confirming what Romney said about Gov.’s knowing best what to do in their states.

  • DDDDSSSS

    Great response from Romney!!

  • binky354

    10th Amendment! Great point!

    • TeakWoodKite

      Miss it.

  • binky354

    Obama’s changing his message about free enterprise.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Obama didn’t study enough to keep his talking points strait and convincing. Amateur hour in the Obama camp.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    Obama is trying to say that more government equals more freedom, that doesn’t even make sense.

  • baldwin

    You keep on waiting for Fauxbama to finish his answer and then ask Jimbo ‘what was that question again?’

  • DDDDSSSS

    He didn’t even bother to look at Romney when he just addressed him. Such disrespect. I can’t wait for Romney’s response to this.

  • HARP2

    Time for Barry to switch dialect.

  • I_cant_take_this

    mitt you’re on fire today…

  • DDDDSSSS

    Did you see that sneer on Obama’s face when Romney gave the Sec of Ed credit for what Obama just tried to take credit for himself?

  • I_cant_take_this

    I think MITT has kicked ass…I hope americans are listening

  • binky354

    Obama dares bring up budgets?

  • HARP2

    DNC sending Emergency message………..MORE KOOL-AID immediately.

  • I_cant_take_this

    NEW NAME: OBABBLE

    • Theymustbemorons

      You’re killing me!

      • I_cant_take_this

        hee hee…Obama’s killing me. I can’t take him anymore.

  • binky354

    In 2008, how detailed were Obama’s plans?

    • BettsAZ

      Hope and change.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Knives and guns?

  • DDDDSSSS

    Obama’s prep team didn’t do well with trying to get him to stop making snarky comments.

  • binky354

    In our county, there are training programs for no jobs available.

  • I_cant_take_this

    It requires federal support….why would that be?

  • I_cant_take_this

    Why not cut you out obabble

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    From the look on President Obama’s face when Gov. Romney is speaking, he doesn’t really hate Romney, just his guts. I haven’t seen that look of utter resentment since he was in the same room with Bibi Nehtanyahu. I bet that you couldn’t pry his lips apart with an air chisel.

  • HELENK2

    every time he is asked a question, he goes off on a tangent and the bs flies and no real answer.

    he keeps asking for details from Romney, why does he want to steal them like he did from Hillarty?

    • binky354

      He’s a good thief; I remember.

  • DDDDSSSS

    Snap!

  • KataKimbe

    Zinger in the last minutes.

  • binky354

    Go Romney!

    • TeakWoodKite

      :)

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Romney looks and mannerisms are quite like Reagan up their debating Obama.

    • Theymustbemorons

      And the qualities of his voice also, I think.

  • binky354

    Loved he got in the green money to Obama’s supporters!

    • TeakWoodKite

      Romney rattled of 5 “alternative campaign donors” faster than Obama could shit his pants.

      • binky354

        LMAO!

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Mitt: “As President, you’re entitled to your own plane and your own house, but not your own facts.” Bullseye.

    • TeakWoodKite

      Hehe. very funny and I am not watching

    • I_cant_take_this

      perfect answer

  • binky354

    Lie, lie, I will take ideas from anybody. He’s ignored Republicans from day one!

  • binky354

    Please, undecideds, take note of the lies.

  • I_cant_take_this

    OH 3 Trade deals….compare to Bush’s dozens. What gaul.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Romney: Collaboration.
    Obama: My way or the highway.
    Obama dares talk about what it means to be a leader?!

    • jrterrier

      that was a good answer by Romney about i don’t just talk, i’ve done it in Mass. I met every Monday for a couple of hours with the legislative leaders.

  • I_cant_take_this

    Obabble go ahead and teach Mitt how to be a leader. Condescending bastard

  • DDDDSSSS

    Bring up bin Laden now that there’s only 3 minutes left. Sneaky. Take credit for his death but give Romney no time to bring up the consequences of that action in Libya recently.

  • jemblue

    Obama’s definition of “leadership” : be as blindly partisan as possible.

  • DDDDSSSS

    Obama can’t honestly think this was a great debate for him.

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      Watch out for Obama to go out and take some military action within the next week.

  • jemblue

    Obama has “confidence in the American . . . uh, future.” Not the American people.

  • I_cant_take_this

    here we go again…blame everything but yourself and the coons that work for you….or you work for I mean

  • DDDDSSSS

    Romney went NFL. Defer to receive the kick off in the second quarter! Smart move to go last so Obama can’t leave a lie hanging out there.

  • I_cant_take_this

    closing the deficit without a budget eh? sounds like FUN MATH

  • I_cant_take_this

    fight on the golf course

  • I_cant_take_this

    even more golf for the middle class

  • HELENK2

    backtrack is lucky that Romney did not mention Gibson Guitars and Boeing when talking about American companies and his government

    • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

      Yes, but he did mention green jobs and, bankrupt companies, and campaign contributors… no need to beat a dead horse!

  • binky354

    Oh, no, Obama promises the same effort the next 4 years.

    • I_cant_take_this

      more golf for all

  • http://twitter.com/JangoBear Sonya A. Willis

    My god this man’s lies! Fought everyday for the American people!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ND2FCCGVV2IZTTAZQTXKJTCPNI Ruth

    #debates He needs a teleprompter or memorized response to be fluent. Otherwise he pauses after each word and makes no eye contact what morris is saying

    • seattlegonz

      He pauses because someone is speaking to him in his earbud.

  • DDDDSSSS

    Nice closing for Romney. He did a great job tonight.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ND2FCCGVV2IZTTAZQTXKJTCPNI Ruth

    debates Romney won without a doubt. See my video tomorrow morning about my full analysis of the debate morris

  • binky354

    Hope the White House Insider decides to give Ulsterman a call and let us know how it went tonight.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ND2FCCGVV2IZTTAZQTXKJTCPNI Ruth

    #debates Romneyu good at laying out differences. He sold the 716 billion medicare cut! Very solid, very good

  • binky354

    Thanks for the discussion thread, Bronwyn!

  • getfitnow

    Mitt…

    A+

    Obama..

    Incomplete.

    • akaPatience

      Yes!

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    MSNBC, ‘disappointed in Obama’ You think?

    • DDDDSSSS

      I’m not a FOX News fan, but I just couldn’t watch another channel and listen to their excuses after. So far, FOX hasn’t gone hard right in their coverage. Oddly, it’s the most fair and balanced I’ve ever seen them!

      • APO_AE_09173

        The best coverage is C-SPAN, I highly recommend.

    • HObama HObamanana

      I may have to watch a video of them saying that. Obama really did suck. I assume that Chris didn’t Tingle.

      • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

        Yes, you really have to watch MSNBC. Historic. They are in meltdown.

  • DDDDSSSS

    Obama and Michelle left the stage quickly. Romney and his family were out there much longer. That was odd.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mary.cusack Mary Cusack

      uh oh barry gonna get bitchslapped tonight

    • jrterrier

      it’s their anniversary. i’m sure the media will slobber all over that tomorrow.

      • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

        Best for the Obama’s to start planning their move in January.

  • HObama HObamanana

    Mitt SO won this debate. He was clear, focused and got under Obama’s skin. I loved it. Obama went on and on and I kept waiting for Mitt to be a prick but he was an absolute gentleman while still managing to make his points. You could tell that Obama was pissed. Advantage Mitt Romney. Oh, and Obama sucked and sucks.

    • KenoshaMarge

      That’s because both men remained true to who and what they are. Romney is a gentleman and Obama is a windbag celebutard. If there was a “prick” on the stage, it wasn’t Mitt Romney.

  • jemblue

    This debate is a nightmare for the legions of Obama cheerleaders in the MSM. They’ve been quoting Romney out of context and manipulating his views for months, but here the general public got to actually see what he stands for.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Chris Matthews: Not an MSNBC debate. Screaming “Where was Obama tonight?!”

    Maddow whined about the lack of mention of unions, abortion, etc.

    • TeakWoodKite

      The abortion was self evident.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Chris Matthews just concluded Romney was there to win and was winning. Said if he repeats, he wins.

    • HObama HObamanana

      Smiling from ear to ear.

    • CathyInKs

      You’re sure Matthew? It was the real “Chris Matthews”? What happened to the tingle? “The Thrill is Gone”!

      • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

        Yes. And he hasn’t been back on so maybe he fell over with a heart attack.

  • HObama HObamanana

    So far FOX has been downplaying Romney’s advantage. Pat Buchanan is giving him a great review.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Bill Maher is tweeting against Obama! Says that he hates to say this, but Obama really needs a teleprompter. Lawrence O’Donnell making excuses for Obama’s performance, calling him “too presidential.” MSNBC essentially saying that Romney won it.

  • getfitnow

    There was only one adult on the stage tonight.
    President Romney.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Maddow: Leher got “rolled over” by Romney over and over again. Larry O apologizing profusely for Obama, says the Romney lied.

    • jrterrier

      Obama spoke 7 or 8 minutes longer than Romney per CNN.

      • TeakWoodKite

        That is a good thing. His mouth betrays the lies.

  • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

    HA HA HA HA HA! I am watching Politico. (Don’t ask.) They agree Romney’s style was superior; but blame Obama’s “professorial” performance.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Sharpton says Romney should be indicted for perjury.

    • MG6

      Oh brother…..
      He has to get back to the rock he crawled out of.

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      Comical.

    • KataKimbe

      He should know.

      • MG6

        Your right! He should know.

    • TeakWoodKite

      OK then. Obama should be indicted negligent homicide. The truth was his first victim but not the last.

  • JohnnyTwoDog

    Obama came pre rattled from the Katrina piece. His act is so blatently racist in that piece that Obama was elected Grand Dragon.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Ed Shultz: Obama was afraid. Al Sharpton is really getting worked up, he sounds almost as much like a black preacher as Obama.

  • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

    HA HA HA HA HA! Now, they are saying, Romney ‘won’ because he spent 3 months studying, whereas Obama was busy being President and was speaking off the cuff. (Translation: Obama cannot speak unless his speeches are written for him and, appear on a teleprompter.)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ND2FCCGVV2IZTTAZQTXKJTCPNI Ruth

    krauthammer coming on fox gee i sure like him

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Ed on MSNBC is flabbergasted at Obama’s performance.

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      I love it when Ed gets wound up. Do you think that he’ll go home, or to the emergency room?

      • TeakWoodKite

        The frozen plains? As he calls them…

    • TeakWoodKite

      That makes my day.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    I guess Romney must’ve won if MSNBC is unanimously saying that he won. Hey, where’s Matthews tonight? MSNBC saying that there in now pressure on Joe Biden to beat Ryan next week.

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      Cute them stressing they would not declare a winner, which makes it clear Romney won even in their eyes. So far they haven’t said much good about Obama.

    • CathyInKs

      Good luck to Biden! I expect Ryan to wipe the floor with Biden!

      • http://twitter.com/JangoBear Sonya A. Willis

        He might as well start drinking now.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    MSNBC: Obama’s problem in the debate is his “dignified reserve.”

    • Indy

      I’m so glad they aren’t part of my cable package. Just reading about them is as much as I can take.

    • binky354

      LOL

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    MSLSD is crying about Obama’s performance. I love it!

  • KataKimbe

    OK… I ventured into kookoo land on MSNBC and learned from those hosts that Obama spoke for 4 minutes longer than Romney, and still did not make strong points. I guess they can’t blame Lehrer for cutting off Obama.

  • binky354

    Listening to the comments on C-Span after the debate was quite discouraging. Nobody’s mind was changed. People heard what they wanted to hear.

  • elizabethrc

    Across this country the lights are going out in Democratic households as Obama’s loyal followers are going to try to forget about tonight’s debate.
    Romney’s command of the facts, his well modulated delivery even when refuting Obama’s accusations, was impressive. I now see why he was a successful CEO.
    Obama seemed ill at ease, tired and drawn. One analyst noted that he seemed to look down and seldom looked at Romney, who looked directly at Obama often. I think Romney actually enjoyed himself and he made Obama seem a little shabby, by comparison. A few times, as Obama was speaking, Romney’s expression seemed to be one of sympathy for his opponent. Even when Obama said that the nation’s security was something he thinks about every single day (except for the past year when he’s put the country second to his re-election efforts, except when he’s been appearing with his celebrity friends), even when he managed to slide in that little bit about his having ended 2 wars, smashed Al Qaeda and Osama, he didn’t diminish Romney. He only made himself seem desperate to maintain the air of foreign policy success while his policies are collapsing all around him.
    Romney is the whole person. Obama simply is not and I just hope that the next debates go as well.
    Bravo Romney.

  • Indy

    Romney was amazing. I especially liked his comment about raising his boys and hearing the same old lies in the hopes that he’d eventually believe them. LOL-been there, done that and well done Gov. Romney!

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      Yes, perfect. I think this is one of the best quotes of the evening, especially as Romney reminded Obama of this.

  • vinnie winkel

    $90B invested in green energy could have hired 2 million teachers. Think about that. Wow, that one stuck with me.

    • CathyInKs

      Me too!

    • jrterrier

      and it mostly went to Obama’s bundlers. you think at least the math teachers will get it?

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Hey, Mitt! As they say in the naval service: Bravo Zulu! Out for tonight.

    • KenoshaMarge

      Abso-damn-lutely! Well done!

  • DDDDSSSS

    I just read the comments on the CNN live blog of the debate. It’s like they watched a different version that I did. Many are claiming that Romney lied through most of it and was disrespectful while Obama was cool and substantive. We definitely didn’t watch the same debate.

    • KataKimbe

      Anybody mention that Obama spoke for 4 more minutes over Romney…

      • DDDDSSSS

        I read a few dozen comments then stopped. No one mentioned the time in the ones I read. They reminded of Bush fans in 2004 — defending him no matter what he did. There’s no way an honest person could come out of that debate thinking Obama won.

      • binky354

        C-Span mentioned it. The caller said Romney got more time. C-Span said CNN timed it and Obama got 2 minutes more. Then I heard that MSNBC (or maybe it was Fox) said 4 minutes more.

    • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

      You don’t know whether those are paid commenters.

  • no_longer_a_democrat

    WOW. I am officially very impressed by Mitt Romney. I was going to vote for him already, but now I feel like with him in charge of this country, we actually have a chance to be the great economic powerhouse again.
    go mitt!!! go mitt!! Very impressed.

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      I suspect others will make the same conclusion. Even MSNBC said Romney would take the lead after tonight.

      • Hokma

        Game changer.

        • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

          Exactly!

          • Hokma

            Obama showed himself what he is – a rank amateur. Romney was Presidential.

            I do not see the future debates being any different. Obama was never had a good debater and never had to face anyone like Romney: community organizer versus successful businessman.

            • felizarte

              Romney talked to Obama like he was dealing with a junior executive at Bain Capital who has mismanaged quite a few assignments.

              • Hokma

                That is tge best characterization of what happened last night that I have read.

        • jrterrier

          i’m not convinced that romney wasn’t ahead already. romney is way ahead with independents. and that’s the game. reps & dems have about 47% of the votes to begin with. the persuadables are the independents.

        • KenoshaMarge

          Now be prepared for a media blitz about how debates don’t mean much.

          • Hokma

            You can bet on it.

      • getfitnow

        Apparently he swung a lot of participants in the Luntz focus group.

        • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

          Yes, looked almost unanamous.

  • getfitnow

    Obama got schooled.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Hey, did Chris Matthews have a heart attack? He declared Romney was winning and would win in November if he repeated tonight’s performance and has not been on MSNBC thereafter.

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      Oops, spoke too soon. Seconds later, he’s now on. Looks unhealthy, deflated.

      • akaPatience

        Good!

  • getfitnow

    CBS news guy on Twitter says instant poll
    results are Romney won – 46%, Obama won – 22%. 56% have better opinion of Romney.

  • jrterrier

    Wow. CNN did a “scientific” poll of registered voters who watched the debate. 67% said Romney won. 25% said Obama won.

    • randi

      The only shock to me was how shocked the pundits are. What made them think BO could hold his own against MR on a debate of Domestic Policy??? Did they sleep through the last 4 years?

      • NoQuarterUSA

        Which pundits? I’ve only gotten to listen to Fox so far.

        • randi

          MSN, CNN – they were all stunned

    • beachnan

      Were those 25% drunk?

      • TeakWoodKite

        24/7

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  • getfitnow

    Matt Welch: “That wasn’t a debate so much

    as Mitt Romney just took
    Obama for a cross country drive strapped to the roof of his car.”

    tee-hee

  • NoQuarterUSA

    I AM NOT COMPELLING YOU TO MOVE to the 2nd thread, but I recommend it since it will be easier for you to track the conversations. You will still be able to comment in the first thread! If you hate this, try to let me know. Thanks. — BRONWYN (dressed up in my blog outfit so I can do some Disqus stuff).

    • binky354

      Didn’t know there was a second thread.

      • NoQuarterUSA

        GO HERE, BINKY. … I was still adding links to the new threads.

  • binky354

    I’m loving the focus group on Fox.

  • baldwin

    It would seem that our emperor has no clothes.

    • KenoshaMarge

      Which is why the media has to cover his ass!

  • baldwin

    Maybe Fauxbama can get Portman to stand in for him for the next two debates.

  • FormerLiberal9

    Seem like the libs on MSNBC are hoping the Liberal Fact Check orgs will come out tomorrow and save the day for BO.