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Biden vs. Ryan [Live Blog]

By Matthew Weaver on October 13, 2012 at 2:00 PM in Current Affairs

UPDATED / Co-written with Bronwyn’s Harbor

Regardless of how the debate actually went, we will quite likely be left with the choice of believing the media or our lying eyes.

  • Barack Obama desperately needs Joseph Biden to win last night’s debate to slow down his free-fall.
    [Read more at Slate or Politico.]
     
  • It is clear that among Barack Obama’s media lackeys, expectations are so low for Joseph Biden that, if he said anything meaningful and supportive of Barack Obama, he’d be declared the victor.
    [Read more at CNN.]
     
  • Why is it that these presidential and vice presidential debates keep getting stacked with biased and often partisan moderators (recall Gwen Ifill in 2008). Paul Ryan not only faced Joseph Biden, but also long-time Barack Obama friend-turned-moderator Martha Raddatz. Did she betray her bias in favor of Barack Obama and Joe Biden?


    Even Huffington Post says she should recuse herself. Tucker Carson and Neil Patel at Daily Caller exposed Raddatz’s over 20-year-old personal ties to Barack Obama. Lori Lowenthal Marcus at Jewish Press clarifies the conflict of interest and the apparent collaboration of ABC. Read more at Memeorandum.

    On the other hand, for all of Jim Lehrer’s efforts, it didn’t help Obama much last week. [See Todd Kinsey or ABC News.]
     

PLEASE FORGIVE the new fonts. We are trying to adjust the font size. Someone evidently used Microsoft Word or a desktop-publishing tool.


BRONWYN HERE: I am going to add a great story that, in the rush last night, Matthew didn’t get a chance to add. It’s a great story that tells you everything you need to know about Joe Biden. ‘Til then …

  • TeakWoodKite

    I wish to see how many times, Joe Biden blesses his mom’s heart.
    He fate was sealed, as was Clinton’s, they day he said, “I do”. Lo, he, as Hillary did, thought he could “temper” the petulant and clueless manchild POTUS…Only to be ridiculed and informed that there was a trap door at the back of the bus, especially for him.
    Ryan? I just wish to know if the force is strong with him, as Obiwan predicted….
    I will be “remote viewing” as my ally is the force.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEuA5Y_Cc88&feature=related

    • Popsmoke

      You know what Biden is going to do? He will look Ryan straight in the eye and say…. Paul! I am your Father!

      • Theymustbemorons

        LOL!!!!! Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi!

      • TeakWoodKite

        Snort. Rolf

      • JohnnyTwoDog

        Ryan will be Biden’s daddy by midnight.

  • Theymustbemorons

    Curious: How does Obama know Raddatz? How are they “long-time friends” — from Hawaii days?

    • TeakWoodKite

      Wiki bio
      Prior to 1993, Raddatz was the chief correspondent at the ABC News Boston affiliate WCVB-TV.
      Obama 1991, Obama Protesting at Harvard in 1991
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz3qShugQ9I

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      Read the links offered on this. They were friends at Harvard. Obama was one of a couple students invited and attending their wedding. They have cross paths over the years. Obama has appointed her now ex to political positions. They are like as involved as the other ‘just someone in the neighborhood’ people–like terrorist Ayers and Rev. Wright.

      • Theymustbemorons

        I thought Raddatz’s ex-husband was friends with Obama at Harvard, not Raddatz.

      • TeakWoodKite

        I worked at a wine and spirts store in Harvard Square. Saw all kinds of people. :)

  • getfitnow

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jcjM27is2g&feature=youtu.be

    Lansing TV report that Obama campaign has locked the doors and pulled out of MI.

    Ann Romney is reported headed to Michigan!

  • getfitnow

    Ellen DeGeneres

    ✔

    @TheEllenShow
    Paul Ryan is the 2nd most trending topic on Twitter. Joe Biden is the 8th.

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      And Ellen, who?, is down at 1 million?

  • getfitnow

    Someone needs to stop this man. He’s delusional
    *******************

    Jennifer Rubin ‏@JRubinBlogger
    “@FreeBeacon: Obama tonight in Miami: “al Qaeda is on its heels and Osama bin Laden is dead””/OMG

    • jemblue

      That is astonishing given that the Al Qaeda flag is flying over our former embassy in Libya right now.

    • JohnnyTwoDog

      He’s trying real hard to channel Jimmy Stewart in Liberty Valence.

  • getfitnow

    I’m ready!

  • I_cant_take_this

    I’m freaked out…I can’t believe Obaby has come back in florida and ohio so quickly. Are people that stupid? I’m nervous for Ryan

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      Don’t believe the media. He has not and doubtfully cannot come back. The emporor has been shown to have no clothes.

  • HARP2

    Biden needs help with his oatmeal in the mornings.

    • I_cant_take_this

      Funny

  • JohnnyTwoDog

    I am not going to watch. But I have big money on Ryan
    B. S.ing Biden for the full 90. – Bitch Slapping – the other B. S.
    Biden is no Barry for sure.

    Biden said “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” Biden said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

    Biden is not nice looking. or Mainstream. He is articulate though. He could way replace that guy on the street corner holding the sign and yelling at imaginary demons.

    • I_cant_take_this

      amazing he made it this far….how smart are Americans?

    • JohnnyTwoDog

      Biden later said “And I really regret that some have taken totally out of context my use of the world ‘clean.’”

      OBiden spoke truth. We all know there is nothing “clean” about Obama.

  • I_cant_take_this

    Oh God Please let Ryan shine.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Biden could pull this off. He is folksy and has decades of experience. He is underestimated.

  • Theymustbemorons

    Amazing deflection by Biden on the Benghazi murders. His response was everywhere but on the question. Didn’t expect Benghazi to be the first question but advantage Ryan. Also, Biden going first puts him at the same disadvantage as Obama was at in the presidential debate. Ryan is making good point that we are weakened by Obama’s administration. Radditz’s admonition to Biden to “be specific” underscored his non answer right out of the box. Radditz is going deeper on Benghazi.

  • HELENK2

    the first 2 minutes and I want to smack biden for being an ignorant ass.
    the smirking does not become a vice president

    • disqus_TQ59NdM4vC

      Yeah, that smirk is inappropriate on such a serious subject.

    • Roninstia

      but I can see some GREAT commercials of the crazy loon laugh. . .

    • Popsmoke

      Helen 5the USSS reads this blog.. We know your teasing.

  • getfitnow

    Biden is smiling…..hahaha
    He’s nervous.

    • vinnie winkel

      that smirk is so unbecoming.

  • I_cant_take_this

    Come on Ryan…do better

  • Theymustbemorons

    Ryan is losing this Iran question.

  • Popsmoke

    Ryan… Iran… what shit…

  • I_cant_take_this

    Ryan agreeing with him that its malarky? What’s he doings?

  • getfitnow

    Biden: “Let’s calm down here a little bit now.”

    Ambassador Stevens didn’t get the message, Joe

  • I_cant_take_this

    Be aggressive Ryan

  • HARP2

    Keep fucking laughing chuckles.

    • HObama HObamanana

      Chuckles is a great nickname.

  • Theymustbemorons

    Ryan needs to slow his mouth down a bit. He sloshing his words together. Mind working faster than mouth. Calmer, please!

    • I_cant_take_this

      exactly. It’s not about facts here…its about image. Biden is a liar

  • I_cant_take_this

    Get the grin off you face Ryan…Please step up don’t assume people know what you’re talking about

  • Popsmoke

    Ryan is totally full of shit on Iran. Fear Fear Fear!

    • TeakWoodKite

      because? I am not watching, so just curious.

      • Popsmoke

        Teak… Look I understand the issue both politically and technically. Iran does not have enough material to make any bomb at this time. Where is he getting enough material for 5 bombs? On top of that even if they did get enough. So what? You have the material. That is not a bomb. Let’s not forget testing, miminization and docking to a pencil collar.. Ryan is talking shit… He is talking shit about afghanistan as well as talking shit about having the samllest navy since WWI..
        Look I give this ticket 65% on the economy. Defense ane foreign policy? RUN!

        • jemblue

          How do you know if Iran has enough material or not? (I’m not saying this to argue – I’m genuinely curious to know how/why you could know this).

          • Popsmoke

            First I am involved in NPT working groups. I read every IAEA report. Secondly, not one Intell agency including the Israel’s has said otherwise…

        • Theymustbemorons
        • TeakWoodKite

          Of all places…Iran has enough uranium for five nuclear weapons”
          Institute for Science and International Security

          The Institute for Science and International Security, which tracks Iran’s nuclear programme, made the analysis on the basis of data in the latest quarterly report of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

          It appears to be a Reuters story…

          • piattq

            All together it sounds like a Ryan Rout. This will hurt. Really sorry to hear how bad this is .

          • Popsmoke

            Teak… read the report its all based
            on assumtions and IAEA is NOT saying Iran has enough material for five bombs..
            By the way, if the ISIS said the sun was out. I would still look out the window..
            Teak.. if any of that was even close to be true Bibi would be having a litter of kittens..

            • TeakWoodKite

              I am not even a novice to be able to comment on Iran’s nuke capability. You asked where he got the info. LOL
              The Institue said they did. El Baradi ( I know he isn’t there anymore) and the IAEA are not reliable and heavily penetrated.

              • Popsmoke

                Teak
                Look I do not know what General El Baradi said to ISIS. I can tell you that he never reporteed such to IAEA. Now Iran has material but so far none of it is weps grade. Its a concern indeed. Worth going to war over? Nope!
                IAEA is penetrated? You watch to many Tom Cruise movies…
                Now here is my nuclear weps concern. When is Israel going to join the NPT?

        • TeakWoodKite

          In as much as the views you hold are reflective of the a sinifigant segment of the political spectrum, I take it your not endorsing BO on those catagories either? If that is the case, then what would will you do? Stand by and see Obama wreck the joint or let Romney have spin Neocons and all? I will gladly vote for Romney and it’s not a ABO thing at this point. It is about putting food on the table and a roof over my head. Wil you vote?

  • Theymustbemorons

    Here it comes, the $500 billion sound byte.

  • Theymustbemorons

    Biden better not smirk when they’re talking about people out of work.

  • HARP2

    I swear. I`m going to Kentucky and wipe that smile off his stupid face. Always the sign of a bullshitter.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/11/live-tweeting-the-2012-vice-presidential-debate-video/#ixzz292m6WJho

  • Theymustbemorons

    Sometimes the words don’t come out of your mouth the right way. Yeah baby!

  • binky354

    I just got home. How’s it going?

    • Theymustbemorons

      You might want to go out again…

      • binky354

        Yeah, you’re right. I know my bp shot up to the danger level.

  • binky354

    Shit, all I’m hearing is 47%. I can’t take Biden.

  • binky354

    Why is the moderator allowing Biden to break in all the time? Has this been going on the whole 30 minutes?

  • HELENK2

    I really didn’t dislike biden before. But he is just obnoxious at this debate.
    I did feel that Ryan should treat him with respect, but maybe biden should show some respect for Ryan.

    • Roninstia

      he’s horrible, I agree. Disrespectful.

      • TexMexSoup

        Wow Biden is really rude. There is a time and place to be an ahole this is not one of them. 100% classless

    • randi

      I think the campaign gave Joe bad advice – I have watched dozens of Joe’s debates – he is typically affable and likeable and still slips in quips. Joe is not coming across very likeable at all.

      • TeakWoodKite

        oops.

      • HoosierinDixie

        I agree Randi. I think Joe played to his base. He could of been aggressive without being arrogant and condescending. Can’t see him scoring points with independents and women after that performance.

        • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

          Agreed. Biden is very unlikeable. This is not the Joe we’ve come to know over the years.

      • elizabethrc

        It’s as though Biden was coached by Stephanie Cutter, the Democrats’ nasty-master.

    • wylrae

      Agree; didn’t think Biden showed any respect at all and his constant “my friend” nonesense got was tiring. In your first sentence I think “obnoxious” is too weak a word!

  • Roninstia

    Biden’s laughing and smirking is directly proportionate to the amount of Crown Royal he drank back in the green room.

    • HELENK2

      he has been in to the reporters swag bags.

    • wylrae

      That was my imnpression after the umpteenth time he was smirking and laughing while Rep. Ryan was trying to answer. Told my wife that I thought V.P. Biden must have come straight from the bar to the stage. I thought Gov. Romney was aggressive in his debate but I don’t recall him actually interrupting Pres. Obama when the president was talking (may have happened by it doesn’t stand out); most of the agressiveness I saw from Gov. Romney appeared to be in jumping in with a closing remark when it looked like Lehrer was going to let Obama get by without being corrected or of Gov. Romney not being given a chance for rebuttal. As for grading tonight’s debate on substance I probably would give Rep. Ryan a slight edge but could easily be a toss up. Would say that if it was Biden’s intent to be auditioning for a dental commercial he was right up there with his cheesy laugh (would love to see him sit down with Putin and act like that).

  • TexMexSoup

    Geez, Joe schmuck Biden is looking like a smug arrogant prick. Very douchy.

  • Theymustbemorons

    Biden’s facial expressions are worthy of a comic book villain. Biden just linked Sarah Palin to Paul Ryan without answering the question, because Sarah was right, there really is a “death panel” and the members really do not need medical backgrounds. Now Biden brings up AARP when AARP recently asked Obama-Biden not to use them as an “endorsement.”

    • binky354

      I noticed he didn’t deny the death panel.

  • binky354

    I may have to turn this off. I can’t stand the constant interruptions when I’m trying to hear what Ryan is saying. How are we supposed to know anything with these constant interruptions?

    • Dave L.

      I have never been able to have a conversation with a libtard, you can listen to their point of view without interuption, I have never been able to rebut their assenine claims without constant interupiion., even though it was agreed upon before we started.. I have found that trying to talk or debate with liberals is next to impossible. Biden needs to be smacked upside his head tonight, laughing boy will be going into retirement in Nov..

      • wylrae

        I’ll go back to my saying: “Trying to have a rational conversation with an Obot is like trying to pick up a turd by its clean end.”

    • wylrae

      Thought that maybe it was just me (I have hearing aides but still have hearing problems) who was not hearing Rep. Ryan’s answers because Biden was mumbling or saying something (couldn’t hear his words so conclude that he was mumbling).

  • I_cant_take_this

    Yeh but there are alot of american idiots out there….the pushier guy wins…more passionate wins….Ryan is too polite…he’s toast

    • randi

      Don’t worry – the group with me (mostly liberals) think Joe is trying too hard. And they like him, but don’t think all of his replies are good.

      • randi

        Just to add – Joe may be playing to the base, but not sure that he is helping with independents so far.

        • HObama HObamanana

          I think that Obama has realized the Independents have already shifted to Romney. They are playing to the base because it became evident during Obama’s debate that his base was disenchanted. The O folks are merely trying to energize their own folks.

      • binky354

        Thanks. That’s encouraging.

  • I_cant_take_this

    Biden just won’t let him talk…and ryan doesn’t even fight for his time!!!

  • HARP2
  • binky354

    Is this debate rules? That the moderator allows them to cut off each other? Is Biden getting more time.

    • HObama HObamanana

      Biden seems to be the only one cutting someone off. This is apparently the new strategy: Be an ass and don’t be ashamed to let everyone know you are one.

      • binky354

        It’s making me sick at my stomach. Raddatz needs to push Biden for specifics! (I keep wanted to call her Martha Coakley!)

  • Theymustbemorons

    Waiting for Ryan to talk about the quality of jobs that have been produced so far — lower paying, less hours, less benefits. And how the quality of life and the expectations for prosperity in the future have declined in our country. Come on Paul!

    • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

      Agree; he missed a great opportunity.

  • binky354

    Is this a debate? All I have tonight is questions. I can’t separate fact from fancy.

  • binky354

    What national security issue justify an increase? Uh, AlQuada? (I can’t spell that). Just ask Lara Logan.

    • Popsmoke

      Logan? Jeeze…

      • binky354

        Did I get her last name wrong?

        • Popsmoke

          Nope… She is cluelesss…

  • jemblue

    Horrible job of moderating by Raddatz. Biden is constantly interrupting and she’s letting it go. I’m not sure it’s helping Biden any, though. He’s coming off as unhinged.

    • HObama HObamanana

      I agree with everything you say.

  • randi

    I must say that I am impressed with the moderator.

    • I_cant_take_this

      you must be kidding or sarcastic right?

      • randi

        of course – it feels like she has almost as many minutes as the debaters

  • http://twitter.com/JangoBear Sonya A. Willis

    I’m ready to throw something through a window. Martha and Biden are teaming up totally pre-planned to gang up on Ryan, get him flustered and gotcha! him. She attacked Ryan but never questioned Biden at all. (BLEEPING BLEEP!)

    • I_cant_take_this

      Yes they are…And Ryan is saying nothing

    • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

      This is why I no longer have a t.v. (Wouldn’t dare break the laptop!)

    • binky354

      I have no doubt she gave Biden the questions. He’s too schooled on the answers.

  • Theymustbemorons

    “The absolute unravelling of the Obama policy…” Go ahead and mention the raising of the black Islamic flag over our embassies on 9-11-12. Come on Paul!

  • HObama HObamanana

    Ryan should lighten up on the “talking points” and just speak. When he forgets his “lines” it diminishes his authenticity and effectiveness.

  • baldwin

    This looks more like a Biden interview than a debate.

  • HARP2

    He laughs about dead soldiers in Afghanistan ?

  • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

    Martha Radditz is insinuating herself into the ‘debate,’ and not moderating it. How many times did she repeat to Rep. Ryan, ‘how are you going to increase the military budget without increasing the deficit or raiding taxes’; and how many times did he repeat, ‘we are not proposing increasing the military budget, but rather, not decreasing it.’

    • HELENK2

      must be getting alimony from her ex who works for backtrack

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      Could anyone expect anything different from a 20+ year friend of Obama?

  • I_cant_take_this

    We’re screwed….Ryan’s giving all up. I didn’t pray to God enough for Ryan. He’s permiting himself to be addressed as a child

    • jemblue

      I don’t agree. Ryan could have made his points more forcefully, but Biden came off as a crazy, angry man unfit for the vice presidency.

      • HObama HObamanana

        In other words, Biden was being himself.

  • jemblue

    Biden being angry at the moderator is incredible – she has been in his corner all night.

  • HARP2

    When the Hell did Syria become 5 times bigger than Afghanistan ?

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      When Obama stood by while they self-destructed.

  • Theymustbemorons
  • getfitnow

    Two against one. I love Paul Ryan’s demeanor.
    Ouestion–Who looks and sounds serious and who sounds “unchained?”

    • wylrae

      Oh so true! Rep. Ryan was calm, respectful (maybe too much so), and to me the one who expressed a truly felt concern for our country.

  • binky354

    Ryan tell them that Barack is by passing Congress in favor of the UN!

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Just getting online after teaching a class. What’s with the split screen images with Biden and Ryan looking in opposite directions?!

    • binky354

      This is the nuttiest debate I’ve ever watched. It’s maddening.

      • I_cant_take_this

        ABSOLUTELY AGREE!

  • jemblue

    If this were a tennis match, Ryan isn’t really hitting that many winners, but Biden is hitting a ton of unforced errors.

  • HELENK2

    http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/10/11/back-
    in-boston-liberal-debate-question-from-martha-raddatz-helped-sink-a-conservative-democrat/

    a little history on Martha

    • stodghie

      that isn’t what happened tonight. biden didn’t come off looking good and ryan looked like he needed more seasoning. the fact is biden failed to do what was needed for dems. he didn’t install obama or himself back into the cat bird seat. that woman was a horrible moderator however impact is for most part is boring. no win for joe and no win for paul

  • vinnie winkel

    If I were the moderator, I would ask “joe, what’s so funny?” Bet I’m not the one that is noticing this bad body language.

  • getfitnow

    Larry Sabato@LarrySabato

    Prof. Biden lecturing on world affairs. My students assuming familiar posture: Heads on desks.

    • Popsmoke

      Larry Sabato… I bang my head on my desk…

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      I bet that is true of Sabato’s students every class session.

    • Hokma

      My friend’s son had him in a class and said he was a great lecturer.

  • binky354

    Wow! Roe v. Wade scare tactic again.

    • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

      I could not believe that! My elderly landlady raised the abortion issue in 2008, when I announced I could not vote for Obama. We don’t discuss politics anymore.

  • binky354

    How much longer are we to be tortured?

    • Theymustbemorons

      We might be tortured for 4 more years if this election hinges on abortion and birth control.

      • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

        Yes, do we really need to keep talking about abortion and birth control. Is this the ONLY way Dems and Liberals think they can win, by scaring women?

  • Theymustbemorons

    Women voters across America should feel their nose rings being tugged right about now. SOP for the Democratic party.

  • HObama HObamanana

    Biden’s “sincere” voice was extremely insincere and obviously so.

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      He sounds old and tired.

      • HObama HObamanana

        Sounded very fake to me.

  • getfitnow

    Chuck Todd ✔ @chucktodd

    Ultrasound story resonates with every parent with children under 18 watching.

    Retweeted by Guy Benson

    • I_cant_take_this

      agree….have an infant

    • HObama HObamanana

      The “bean” story really rocked.

  • binky354

    Wonder who Joe really cares about? Charging the taxpayers rent on the building he allows the Secret Service to stay in? Greedy… cares about the middle class.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    I really like Ryan’s conclusion.

    • Theymustbemorons

      Me too, Mr. Weaver. Hope the audience was still tuned in. This “debate” was maddening.

      • JohnnyTwoDog

        What matters is what is said tomorrow.

    • jemblue

      Definitely. It was his best part of the night.

    • FormerLiberal9

      I may be wrong but I don’t think Biden thanked Ryan for the debate while Ryan did thank Biden.

      • HObama HObamanana

        Rude is as rude does. That’s what Momma always says.

  • I_cant_take_this

    defame,,,,Ryan you’re talking to millions of dumb people for whom such a word is too complicated. What’s wrong with you Ryan? It makes Repulblicans always look aloof and detached when they use such words. Damn it. I so needed Ryan to hit this out of the park…I can’t sleep at night out of fear of OBAMA.

  • HObama HObamanana

    Ryan’s close about the broken promises and lies of Obama was VERY good!!!

  • HObama HObamanana

    “He voted to put two wars on a credit card.” I would like either Ryan or Romney to look in the camera and say, “Our country was attacked. If we had to put our response on a credit card then so be it. You screw with America we kick your ass whether we can afford it at the moment or not.”

    • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

      And that’s why we have government. To do those things we as individuals cannot.

  • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

    Folks,
    You’re missing the key point. Joe Biden’s task was to appear the elder statesman. Ryan had to reassure the independent voters who don’t know him that he could be trusted with his finger on the nuclear button. What did American see? Biden turned into Crazy Uncle Fester. Gesticulating, angry and scaring the children. By his behavior, Joe turned Paul Ryan into the elder statesman, the measured, sane individual who could be trusted to take over the reins of the President.

    Biden laid another turd.

    • stodghie

      bravo thanks larry! you stated it very well.

    • I_cant_take_this

      I hope you’re right. I don’t think that the media will spin it that way though….they’re going to say that Ryan looked like a little boy that couldn’t even get his time to be enforced

    • JohnnyTwoDog

      the measured, sane individual who could be trusted
      Neither Joe nor O hit that mark.
      That is all that Ryan had to do.

    • HObama HObamanana

      I can’t disagree with you. At one point I almost expected Biden to claim that he was with FDR during the Great Depression and to use that as a reference to compare how well Obama has done.

      On the other hand, maybe Biden was supposed to come off as a nutcase so that Obama would seem somewhat rational during his next appearance.

    • HELENK2

      joe epitomized the condescending backtrack bunch.
      no respect for other people”s ideas or solutions.
      Really unlikeable. but as Joe Trippi said maybe the backtrack bunch did not care whether or not he was likable no one votes for the vice president

      • FrenchNail

        Visiting from the Irishman.
        Didn’t we see the perfect illustration of the Obama Administration?
        Arrogance, dismissal of any body not agreeing with them, bullyiing, and at some time pure demancia.
        This was not a debate, this was an anbush.
        This so-called moderator was obviously on the take. She never interrupted Biden, but went after Ryan with a vengence, commenting after his answers and not letting him respond or defend himself.
        Ryan could have been much better, but the barrage was intense. He is still green at this level and it showed.
        And honestly, I do not give a F. about abortion possibly going illegal or not in few years. What I am concerned is about having a job and not paying 4 dollars at the pump like I just did this eve.

    • DianaLC

      Agree completely. I hope your impression about Biden’s performance, which is the same as mine, is also the impression many at home came away with. That man is one match away from a complete meltdown.

    • wylrae

      Don’t know as I would use your terminology but I certainly will not disagree with your overall conclusion. Rep. Ryan was the one who appeared calm, respectful, and expressed a concern for the situation our country is in.

    • TeakWoodKite

      Having not the stomach to watch the freak show, I was wondering how Obama’s product placement team would do with the Holloween props. Trick or Treat? Hope and Change?

      • HObama HObamanana

        If you really like apples with razor blades hidden inside then you will absolutely love the Obama/Biden ticket. Dick and Freak. Dope and Deranged

    • Hokma

      Had a poorly timed function tonight so I had to dvr it (and the Yankee game) and on my way home to watch.

      But saw comments from others. I would agree with you based on what i read.

      One pundit said that Biden may have won the debate but he cost his team points which goes to your point that people will forget tomorrow what exactly was said and will only remember the impression.

      All Ryan had to do with show up, go toe-to-toe with Joe, and give the appearance of a mature professional leader. It appears he accomplished that.

      Conversely, Biden sounds like he was a loose cannon who did not give a shit about appearance or felt that it is okay to be just “Joe.”

      Because Obama’s people accused Ryan of lying tonight before the debate even started, Daily Caller had a live fact checker on Biden but after a while couldn’t keep up because it a lie a minute.

      Based on what I read BIden did not save Obama and may have hurt him with his idiotic antics and expressions ala Al Gore’s sighs (which I believe is what gave the election to Bush).

    • randi

      Larry, you are exactly right. I watched with Liberals – Joe was rude and not likeable. Ryan scored some points for remaining polite and for his knowledge. He also showed that he was more likely able to reach across the aisle.

    • Popsmoke

      Bull…

      • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

        Are you telling us the Biden tonight is respectful and entrusting? I’ve always liked Biden but I’m only a few minutes into the debate and he’s quickly erasing that with this horribly rude and lie-filled performance.

        • elizabethrc

          Biden seems to be likeable in the same way Obama is likeable….until you turn your back.

          • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

            I’ve had “friends” like that. Didn’t like that and definitely do not want a president like that. Dangerous for America (Recall Obama’s assurance to Putin that he’d have ability to negotiate away America once the election is over)..

    • elizabethrc

      Well said and accurate.

  • Theymustbemorons

    Ryan getting stronger and stronger in these last 15 minutes. Hope people stayed tuned in to hear his closing. He found his voice at the end.

  • I_cant_take_this

    Now I won’t sleep all night

  • getfitnow

    Philip Klein @philipaklein

    RT @SamFeistCNN: CNN Focus group loved it when Ryan talked about the debt crisis. Women more than men.

    • I_cant_take_this

      really that ‘s great news

  • Popsmoke

    Ryan was just taught a lesson by a pro…

    • Theymustbemorons

      Nothing to aspire to. Biden has dragged himself and his office down with his behavior.

    • FormerLiberal9

      Pro class clown.

    • ObamaDubya2ElectricBoogaloo

      Yeah, and that lesson was don’t act like a disrespectful ahole. Good job Joe! Unchained!

    • getfitnow

      Being condescending when you can’t get
      unemployment below 8% and your foreign policy is falling apart isn’t a good idea.

    • HObama HObamanana

      What lesson? When you have to get plugs and wear makeup to look somewhat passable as a living human being, interrupt and be rude and condescending as hell because that’s presidential?

      • Popsmoke

        Same can be said for Romney… say what you want about Biden. But tonight he out performed Ryan

        • HObama HObamanana

          Biden was performing and rude while Ryan was being and polite.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      You are out of your mind.

      • Popsmoke

        Well for full disclosure.. I know the Biden family personally and no matter the politics, yes I do disagree on many issues Joe holds dear. They are a great gang of people. Let me tell you about the Bidens as human beings are why Joe relates so well with the working class.
        During Katrina I had the privledg of working with Jill, Bo and his wife. Unlike other politicals who came by for photo opts. The Bidens woked like dogs helping to stock shelves and feed those evacuated and in need. Now Jill is am MD but worked along side other plain old volunteers. Here is the catch. No one was to know who they were.

        • Popsmoke

          By the way for those who have rated this negitatively… Stick it in your ear..

          • TeakWoodKite

            With all these ass and ears Popsmoke, you will running out of orifices.

        • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

          Of course you “know the Bidens personally.” This blog regularly has campaign operatives from the Democratic party come on here to push propaganda favoring Obama. You are just the next Obot up in the queue. But don’t act like you are friends with the Bidens. They showed up to Katrina to do a photo op and you got to be near by them for a few hours. That’s not the same as “knowing them personally.”

          • Popsmoke

            Your an idiot ass…. Democratic operative? Me? Hey LJ what have you been feeding these mushroom heads you have on your site?
            By the way shit head.. there was no photo op…
            Now stick that up your ass….

            • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

              Spoken like a true fan of Biden. Keep it up – you’re sure to win more converts to your side with this type of language.

        • randi

          You may want to re-watch the debates again – Mitt and Joe were not the same in debate style or optics. Not even close. Sigh.

          • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

            Agreed. Romney was presidential, Ryan was polite and professional, Obama was disinterested, maybe even hung over or on drugs, and Biden, nice guy or not, he was rude, condescending, and boorish. Biden should be embarrassed by his performance. If this is the best that Dems can put forward and they want to say it reflects well and is successful, that is just another sign of how far the party has fallen.

            I really feel sorry for Joseph Biden. Like Hillary, he is destroying his legacy by association with Obama and what is fast becoming a desperate, failed Democratic party.

  • getfitnow

    From Drudge, Biden’s laughing bothering reporters. Criticism all over the place.

  • getfitnow

    GregGutfeld ✔ @greggutfeld

    “i hope i get equal time,” says the guy who wouldn’t shut up.

  • HObama HObamanana

    Biden at times seemed to clone the Gore sighs.

    • FormerLiberal9

      It was worse than what Gore did Biden was rude and appeared like a angry old white man. I don’t think he did his cause much good tonight.

      • HObama HObamanana

        I’m certain that Biden’s purpose was to stir their base. Independents and generally rational people recognize that Biden was an arrogant, rude, condescending prick. But liberals are turned on by such things. The O folks hope they can turn them out too.

  • MG6

    Political caught on this smile and stupid laugh…

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82313.html

    Read the comments there right on.

    • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

      OMG. This is really telling. D diehards, even in the press, dissing JB. Seriously.

      • I_cant_take_this

        really ! Great!

    • akaPatience

      Wow, thanks for this link!

  • getfitnow

    Greta Van Susteren ‏@gretawire
    I think i might turn this off if it were not my job to watch it…the interruptions make it impossible to learn anything

    • I_cant_take_this

      true

  • DianaLC

    Before I read all the comments, as I can’t be near the computer and my t.v. screen at the same time.
    If there hadn’t been a t.v. screen and several thousand miles between me and Biden, he would have had that smirky, childish grin wiped right off his face by my hand coming at him full force. Talk about Al Gore and his sighs. That behavior was awful.

    • HELENK2

      I go first. I called dibs within the first two minutes of the debate

      • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

        Yes you did. You are a sharp lady.

  • HObama HObamanana

    I’m not going to check to confirm this, but I’d bet that Chrissie Matthews’ leg is tingling.

    • Theymustbemorons

      Neuropathy?

      • I_cant_take_this

        Great diagnosis

      • FormerLiberal9

        Alcoholic Neuropathy!

    • wylrae

      Yeah and like V.P. Biden he too probably had too much to drink and is flashing his highly polished incisors. But with Matthews the tingle is just the pee running down his leg!

  • baldwin

    Great move by team Romney to have Charlie Sheen stand in as Biden during debate prep. Ryan really kept his cool.

    • Hokma

      LOL!!!

    • Theymustbemorons

      Thanks so much for this giggle!

  • getfitnow

    Well, I guess Bite-me wasn’t “likeable enough.”
    POLL RESULTS] Who do you think won the VP Debate? Paul Ryan: 56%, Joe Biden: 36%, Neither: 8%. #CNBC2012

  • getfitnow

    Jason B. Whitman @JasonBWhitman

    This happened => RT @PounderFile: FACT: Final Count: Biden interrupted 82 times during the entire debate.

    I would have sworn it was more than that.

    • HObama HObamanana

      LOL!

  • Deapster

    Biden looks a little too face-lifted and botoxed. Ryan looks real. When Biden says who should you trust, I trust a fake face not at all. Ryan comes across as the most authentic and that is what viewers are really looking for because most of the content just buzzes past.

    • HObama HObamanana

      Come to think of it, Biden does look like he got a face lift.

  • Deapster

    Biden makes a lousy wing man. Something unbecoming for an old man to be an untested young buck’s sidekick. Creepy to think this is all the back-up depth Obama has. That weighs in as well tonight.

  • Deapster

    Let’s hope Biden is coaching Obama how to look rough and tough next time he meets Romney.

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      Yes. And maybe a quick consult with Gore to work on breathing.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    So, did Raddatz show bias in favor of Biden? Did she try and carry water for her 20+ year friend Obama?

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      I get to start watching the replay in just a couple minutes–wish I had seen it all live.

      • KataKimbe

        Count to see if the interruptions by Joe add up to 82.

    • HObama HObamanana

      She asked some tough questions which almost surprised me but the way she let Biden interject and interrupt it was somewhat obvious that she was just a little biased.

    • HoosierinDixie

      She interrupted Ryan several times and allowed Biden to make snide comments while Ryan was speaking throughout the whole debate. Ryan took it all in stride and remained very respectful and engaged.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    I am now watching the beginning of the debate. Can’t believe that Raddatz started out with a condescending remark to Ryan about waving to his family. Incredibly rude on her part.

  • randi

    CNN poll found 48% say Ryan won, 44% say Biden. Essentially a draw — w/ lots of passion fm partisans on both sides. #cnndebate ” –

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Does Biden really believe what he is saying?! Obama accomplished everything he set out to do? Regarding Libya, apparently Biden didn’t read the news or listen to yesterday’s incredible hearing on Capital Hill.

  • KataKimbe

    I think Raddatz tried her best to control the situation… but old Joe was pushy and his smirks and loudness on occasion creepy. This was a draw in my opinion… but because Ryan held up through the barrage, I give it to him narrowly. Not bad for a newbie at such a big stage. Biden is an old hack at this after all.

    • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

      I honestly don’t know how anyone could call this a draw after Biden’s absolutely rude, disrespectful, and unprofessional behavior. If someone acted like that in a board meeting at a company, they’d be fired.

      • KataKimbe

        It’s a draw because he did what he needed to get the disillusioned Democrats back that were upset with tame Obama last week. Biden came out full fource and that is what they want. It’s not through my prism or what I want in a person… but I am calling it as I see it from all points of view. Just like I think Ryan was a little bit too polite… but it’s better than being rude because Independents don’t like rude politicians. They are all playing to different groups and this debate changed little… and that is a win for Ryan.

  • HARP2

    Guess all that time Biden spent working with his mentor paid off.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Anybody else watching this in replay? I just started with C-Span half an hour ago but need to reboot and restart with one of the others… I’m trying to follow along with comments here in the discussion thread. Interesting to compare the comments with the debate. Reminds me of Krauthammer that says there were three debates–the one in writing, the audio only, and the video.

    • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

      I’m watching on YouTube but I don’t know how much I’ll be able to stomach at once. Biden is downright creepy.

  • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

    I’ve only made it 20 minutes through the debate replay, and I’ve gone from thinking Biden was simply a bumbling idiot to upgrading him to major asshole. Every time Biden smirks I want to throw something at the screen. But Paul Ryan is so calm and measured it is amazing. Who do I want with his finger on the button? The calm, measured man who doesn’t let things get to him. Ryan is impressing me more and more.

  • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

    I’ve only made it 20 minutes through the debate replay, and I’ve gone from thinking Biden was simply a bumbling idiot to upgrading him to major asshole. Every time Biden smirks I want to throw something at the screen. But Paul Ryan is so calm and measured it is amazing. Who do I want with his finger on the button? The calm, measured man who doesn’t let things get to him. Ryan is impressing me more and more.

    • HoosierinDixie

      No need to watch the rest. You nailed it. He was a major asshole from start to finish.

      • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

        I have watched a bit more of it. It’s amazing – Biden gets worse! And Ryan does a great job of politely bringing the “conversation” back on topic.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    As expected, the media is so desperate to shore up Barack Obama that they are trying to excuse Joseph Biden’s debate behavior as acceptable and part of a winning formula. There is no way, shape, or form that Joseph Biden won the debate short of win criteria being who can be the rudess, most obnoxious, and disrepectful. Is this what the office of VP now calls for?

  • Bert

    I think Ryan showed respect, tolerance and sympathy for the old man. I thought he came across more vice-presidential. Biden is supposed to be a nice person but he was probably sent out to a job, he just overdid it.