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Paul Ryan, Mission Accomplished

By Larry Johnson on October 11, 2012 at 11:19 PM in Current Affairs

Paul Ryan had one job tonight–prove to the vast majority of Americans that do not know him that he could be trusted to be President. What did America see? An intelligent, measured man who treated a buffoon with respect. He was knowledgeable and articulate. He did not say anything stupid. He did not say anything ignorant.

He looked at the camera and did not have to constantly glance down at notes. Not the same for Joe Biden. Biden played well with Democrat partisans. But flash polls of independent voters–the key demographic for the upcoming election–found Biden rude and bizarre.

What does this mean?

Romney and Ryan took another positive step tonight towards winning on November 6th.

  • Fred82

    I agree.

    I think Ryan won this debate. It didn’t look as crushing as Romney vs Obama, but Ryan got the W and that’s what counts.

    • KenoshaMarge

      I think it would have been pretty much a tie if Biden hadn’t been so wacky. If Al Gore was skewered for a “sigh” what to make of Biden’s smirks, grimaces, head shaking and whatever other facial tics he exhibited. I’ve never seen anything like it and hope not to again.

      This is the man a heartbeat away from the presidency? And the left thinks this is the way for the VPOTUS to behave?

      No wonder they think the POTUS belongs on The View and on Letterman’s disgusting show. They are clueless and have the class of an 11 year old nose picker.

  • Popsmoke

    Bullshit…. Your losing it LJ…. Its ok for Romney to do the same things but no one else?
    I do not know who is going to win in November. Either way this Country is screwed.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Deal with the substance of my comment. It is not “bullshit.” It is a damn fact.

      • Popsmoke

        Substance? You want substance? Iran has enough material for five bombs. Larry that was not just stupid. It was fucking stupid!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

          What are you smoking? Larry is spot on. Romney did NOT behave the way Biden did. Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times. Romney did not do that. He didn’t call Obama a liar like Biden did. He didn’t laugh and smirk at Obama for 90 minutes. He didn’t act disrespectful.

          If you think Biden’s behavior was acceptable, Popsmoke, it says a lot about you.

          • Popsmoke

            Tough…

        • piattq

          And your supporting evidence popfizzle?

          • KataKimbe

            LMAO at popfizzle.

          • Popsmoke

            Youur mother!

            • whizzbang

              Ad hominem retorts don’t add anything to the debate, popsmoke. I know very little about your background, but I don’t think whatever it is, it qualifies you to be so impertinent.

              I sometimes disagree with Larry as well, but unlike you (probably) I worked with his colleagues a long time ago, in Angola, and I have the utmost respect for what they do.

              In the other article (Biden vs. Ryan) you made a statement that you “read every IAEA report” – so what? Anyone can read them:
              http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iaeairan/iaea_reports.shtml

              As to whether they (Iran) have the capabilities to enrich to ~95% remains to be seen.

              Nobody thought *we* (South Africa) had a nuke, until we tested a couple and the Soviets caught us on candid camera. Even then, the evidence wasn’t conclusive. We did have though. We had six. And it appears that we’re revisiting that again…

              So I guess Popsmoke, what I’m saying is: stop being such a curmudgeon.

              By the way, which NPT working groups are you involved in?

              M21 operator
              Ops Gp 1
              Foxtrot Coy
              Buffalo Battalion

              • Popsmoke

                First of all my retorts are what they are and that is life and life is like this. Comment kindly and you get that type of response. Otherwise alls fair in love and war.
                My background? 28 years responding to hazardous materials which includes radiology emergencies. Under contract to USEPAs ERCS Zone I, II and III. I was also part of TMIs (Three Mile Island) response structure just to name one. My speciality was the disposal of shock sensitive and explosive chemicals. We were also contracted to many other US agencies and that includes DoD and DoJ.
                PREPCOM? Disarmament..
                Your Country? The Y Plant was no secret to the Agency since we the US kind of gave you all a helping hand nor the KGB who were having cows over your weapons development.
                By the way, dittoes for voluntary disarmament…

        • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

          yes, they have the material. knowing how to put the material together into an effective device is what they don’t have.

          • Fred82

            Larry,

            Any chance that the North Koreans are assisting Iran in acquiring nuclear material and figuring out how to assemble it?

            After all, the North Koreans have produced ballistic missiles for Iran and provided training to the Pasdaran with regards to light infantry tactics, defensive positions, and the construction of underground facilities like bunkers.

            For that matter, any chance that the Iranians may have nuclear scientists from the former USSR on their payroll?

          • Popsmoke

            Wrong.. they have the expertise necessary. They also do not have enough material yet even for one small bomb. Getting there.. But there is one thing they do not have.. Enought for 5 BOMBS!

            http://lewis.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/5724/bibis-bomb-guide-for-the-perplexed

        • HARP2

          (Reuters) – Iran
          has significantly stepped up its output of low-enriched uranium and
          total production in the last five years would be enough for at least
          five nuclear weapons if refined much further, a U.S. security institute
          said.

          http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/26/us-nuclear-iran-uranium-idUSBRE84O0SN20120526

          Looks like YOU are the one that is fucking stupid pop-tart.

          • Popsmoke

            Enrichment does not mean wealth and ISIS has its own agenda. Understand the process of making a nuclear weapon rather than making and showing stupidity..

            • HARP2

              Far be it from me to show stupidity. You bring enough of it to this site to last a lifetime.

    • vinnie winkel

      Romney did not sneer, laugh, snicker, while Obama spoke. That is fact. Biden was a buffoon. I was trying to listen to the substance of the debate and after 40 minutes, I actually thought “what the hell is so funny?” Apparently, I was not the only one.

      • http://twitter.com/JangoBear Sonya A. Willis

        This is the new liberal talking point: Biden behaved just like Romney and Romney was a bully too. The kool-aide is strong.

  • Theymustbemorons

    Really great collection of shots from tonight’s crazy debate:
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/here-are-the-best-facial-expression-of-joe-biden-from-the-debate/

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    I have never seen a debate where one candidate was so rude, arrogant, and obnoxious.

    Did anyone else feel like the moderator was teaming up with Biden against Ryan? She kept challenging Ryan, but never Biden. She kept interrupting Ryan, but never Biden.

    I felt like Ryan had to debate two people, yet still won. I think Biden’s behavior was embarrassing to the office of which he holds.

    • HELENK2

      she was making sure her alimony money would keep on coming. her ex works for backtrack

    • binky354

      I agree. Radditz was a pitiful moderator and I thought Leher had given Obama more leeway. Give me Leher anytime.

    • akaPatience

      Ditto 100%

  • elizabethrc

    Even on CNN their polling shows Ryan at 48 and Biden at 44.
    Biden did not serve Obama well and the fact checkers are going to have a field day with his many misstatements.
    Raddatz did exactly what I expected: She favored Biden, allowed him to finish with few interruptions while frequently interrupting Ryan and continually pressing him for specifics. Does she really expect him to be specific in less than 2 minutes on his budget plans, or any other plans? This was a gotcha action on her part. She didn’t allow him to finish probably a third of his answers.
    Condescending, even when Ryan said at the end that it was an honor to debate Biden, Biden laughed. The man is a bore, of limited intelligence, arrogant and inappropriate. The public aren’t responding well to his utter rudeness and yet Ryan kept his composure.

    • Steve Diamond

      In CNN math that’s a tie!!

    • piattq

      NBC Poll had Ryan at 52, Biden at 36 and the remainder voted neither.

      • getfitnow

        I love this line.
        ‘The VP debate was Biden’s smile vs Ryan’s eyes. The eyes have it.
        ****************

      • KenoshaMarge

        Ah but Chris Matthews and his goofy sidekick Joan Walsh think Biden mopped up the floor with Ryan. Delusional wishful thinking?

        • Hokma

          That’s because Matthews was Biden’s debate coach.

          • KenoshaMarge

            Same technique, same crazed look in the eyes… Relatives perhaps?

        • roafer

          Biden destroyed that little lying punk.

          • KenoshaMarge

            Sad little delusional bot!

    • DianaLC

      Am I right that Ryan went to shake Raddatz’s hand afterwards and Biden didn’t. Ryan’s composure in making his points even while he had a spoiled teenaged girl in the body of Biden mugging and making a fool of itself right next to him alone makes it clear that he would be a great vice-president, as well as being ready for his own kids to become teenagers (though his will be raised by a sane person).
      LJ is right in something he wrote in a comment last night, this debate was really about who we would want to take over the position if something happened to the POTUS.
      Last election the Dems made a big deal about Sarah not being ready to be POTUS. I think someone with money on Romney should make an ad with nothing but a montage of Biden’s facial expressions and rude behavior and then simply have a voice say something like, “Do you really want this man in the WH if something would happen to the POTUS?”
      (And Hannity has said he’s going to put that montage together.)

  • no_longer_a_democrat

    Biden just looked like a drunk fool. Idiot. Rude. Kept interrupting Ryan just to stop him from speaking.

    I liked Ryan’s positions more.and he came off very calm, very respectful, pretty competent. This is the first time I had seen Ryan, no wait second time, I saw him at the Obamacare fake round table thing.
    pretty impressed with ryan. Biden, what a bully, kept interrupting, not to make a point, but to stop ryan from speaking. He looked like he was drugs or something.

    as for martha raddatz, an obot through and through, very biased against ryan.

  • piattq

    Biden gave a better convention speech than O; Biden had a better debate performance than O. Is it time for O to step aside and let Joe take over? Is this Tom Sawyer (or Huck if you prefer) saving Jim’s hide? Thanks Larry for your perspective. I think you are correct about Ryan and tonight altho I expect to see the Dem media calling this a big W for Biden. But clearly it won’t have the power to impact numbers like Romney’s big W.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

      Actually, the instant polls show it a win for Ryan. CNBC has it 56% to 36% for Ryan, and CNN has it 48% to 44% for Ryan.

      Most of the analysts have it for Ryan as well, Biden’s disrespectful behavior did him in.

  • HELENK2
    • binky354

      Biden disgraces the office. This country is hurting and on the edge of the economic cliff, and he finds everything is funny. He must have been on some kind of dope.

      • HELENK2

        karl rove on greta had a good line
        said it looked like they gave biden “joker Juice”

        • JohnnyTwoDog

          That’s funny because I thought the same thing.

      • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

        Yes, Biden appeared to be on something.

    • JohnnyTwoDog

      Biden laughs like an little boy who farted a turd. “incredible!” he says
      That’s not something you want to share little Joe.

      • nickoury

        I think it’s more like Jack Nickoson’s portrayal of “The Joker” in “Batman”.

        Heh, heh.
        Heh, heh.
        Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh, heh, heh, heh.
        Wait ’till they get a load of ME!

        • HObama HObamanana

          Except in Biden’s case, his alter-ego is named The Joke.

    • getfitnow

      This should be played back-to-back with The Smirk.
      Interesting that VPOTUS and POTUS’ nervous response is about the same–grinning and smirking.

    • DianaLC

      Wow! They already have the ad I wanted. I sure hope it’s aired a lot.

  • HELENK2

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/11/angry-old-man-yells-at-paul-ryan-for-90-minutes/

    good headline
    angry old man yells at Paul Ryan for 90 minutes

    • piattq

      Best line of the night.

    • getfitnow

      Actually, he was just yelling–period.

      • KenoshaMarge

        I respectfully disagree. He did take time out from his yelling to grimace, shake his head and laugh. Or was that a giggle. Damn he was repulsive!

  • KataKimbe

    Chris Wallace has it right… and for those who just will say that he is a partisan… he is not. Do your research and you will know that he is a registered Democrat.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-wallace-joe-biden-debate-reaction-smiling-smirking-laughing-2012-10#ooid=A1ZHA1Njozq4OOd_rgbKB7yTcHWUWibf

    • KenoshaMarge

      I agree about Wallace. His interviews of Republicans are always far more hard hitting than the ones he does of Dems. Still he manages to be less biased than most of the MSM. And he sure didn’t like Biden’s performance last night.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Larry, Agreed. What I’ve seen of the debate so far show Ryan as the go-to person amongs the three. Biden was embarrassing and Raddish was biased and irritating. She had no business moderating this debate.

  • akaPatience

    Ryan was intelligent, earnest, composed, dignified, and respectful. I couldn’t believe how obnoxious Biden was. What a boor. He was absolutely imbecilic and his performance gives new meaning to “energizing the BASE”. It doesn’t speak very well of Democrats if that kind of behavior (in addition to his ignorance) appeals to them.

  • KataKimbe

    Total speaking time during the 90-minute debate (by CNN’s count): Joe Biden: 41 minutes, 32 seconds; Paul Ryan: 40 minutes, 12 seconds.

    How many times did Joe Biden say “my friend”? 15 times. Fourteen in reference to Ryan and once in reference to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    How many times did each candidate address the night’s moderator, Martha Raddatz, by her first name? Biden 1…7, Ryan 3.

    How many times did each candidate refer to the other man’s running mate directly? Biden said Romney 26 times and referred to him as the governor another four times; Ryan said Obama 15 times and referred to him directly as the president another 5 times (and Obamacare another 10).

    How many times did each candidate refer to their own running mate by name? Biden said Obama once but some form of “the president” in reference to his boss another dozen times; Ryan said Romney 21 times.

    How many times was the word “malarkey” uttered? Three times. “With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey,” Biden said the first time, before uttering it twice more later in the debate during the “stuff” exchange.*

    How many times did each candidate say “fact” or “facts”? Biden 28 times; Ryan once.

    How many times did each candidate say the word “literally”? Biden zero; Ryan zero.

    (Tallies based on the Washington Post’s live transcript.)

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/11/vp_debate_recap_joe_biden_said_my_friend_how_many_times_and_other_numbers.html

  • HELENK2

    http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2012/10/11/104135

    here come the political cartoons on the debate

  • KenoshaMarge

    Doubtful anyone other than the obamamedia and obots would find Biden “likable” after that performance. What an ass!

    As for Raddatz? Proved once again my contention that liberal media types have no sense of fair play, no character and no integrity.

    The media must have an even lower opinion of Obama/Biden than I do since they don’t seem to believe that the two of them can stand or fall on their own two feet.

    • roafer

      So you are admitting you’re a sore loser…..who knew??

      • DianaLC

        Your question makes no sense. Shouldn’t your blog name be reefer rather than roafer?

  • Eyes Wide Open

    How can Smirkin Joey think that no one will fact check him? He voted in favor of both those wars that he blames on Ryan. As for the ever changing Benghazi saga he contradicts the State Dept,

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/11/Fact-Check-Biden-Voted-for-Both-Wars

    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/11/biden_contradicts_state_department_on_benghazi_security

  • HObama HObamanana

    Isn’t Biden’s claimed admission that they didn’t know the Consulate in Benghazi requested more security an indictment that they are incompetent?

    • KenoshaMarge

      Incompetent and disengaged. Too many trips to the woodshed for Biden and too many trips to The View for Obama. JMO

      • Hokma

        these cartoons are killers!!!

      • binky354

        I can’t imagine a President, knowing our embassy was under attack, who wouldn’t go to the situation room and become informed about what was unfolding. Obama went to bed.

        • KenoshaMarge

          A president no, the “star” of The View, yes.

  • getfitnow

    Biden came across as a typical democrat bully,
    not to mention his constant laughter, sneering, contempt, etc. The Wall Street Journal has it
    right this morning – it was a carnival act. Certainly one I would never pay to see.
    And I’m glad Ryan didn’t try to interrupt. He, of course had more to say, and many GOP’ers were looking for “red meat.” But his answers would have been wasted with Bite-me’s antics on full displayed. I think he played it just right given the opponent.

    And imo, Biden did Ryan and America a huge favor. Just like his boss, but in a different way, he showed how unprofessional, unfocused, and dangerously ignorant they are.

    “And BTW”, as Bite-me would say, aren’t these the fools that are lecturing everybody on civility? Give me a brake.

    • KenoshaMarge

      They “lecture” on civility but think that only means that the GOP must conform. They believe they are entitled to say anything that pops into their pointy little heads.

      • roafer

        The more I see the immature attitudes from the Republicans, the more the
        studies about conservatives and liberals are confirmed. Studies using
        MRI scans have shown that the brain is different for conservatives and
        liberals. The amygdala is larger in conservatives. The anterior
        cingulate cortex is larger in liberals. The Amygdala is responsible for
        emotional, impulsiveness, aggression and fear responses. The anterior
        cingulate cortex is responsible for higher cognitive learning, error
        detection, emotion regulation and analytic reasoning. http://critical-thinker.net/?p…

        • DianaLC

          Don’t see anything but partisan thinking in the link, and nothing that supports what you just posted.
          I have read all types of things in neurobiology, neuropsychology, neurolinguistics, and don’t seen any corroboration for what you just wrote in your link or in anything I’ve ready.
          Steven Pinker made short shrift (a term from Shakespeare in case you’re too uneducated to understand it) of the Dem’s good buddy George Lakoff and his stupid framing theories in regard to politics.
          Go away an quit being a sore loser.

        • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

          Ah! Here’s today’s new Obot here for his daily shift. Notice how we rarely see the same Obots from day to day. Each day it is a new name. I am quite serious when I say I think they have some software that directs them to certain blogs to post to, which is why, on any given day, a new Obot will appear here to do their astroturfing.

          • roafer

            Obot? I didn’t vote for Obama in 2008 and will not be doing so in November. I’m not a dem.

        • KenoshaMarge

          Too dim to even see the hypocrisy in what you write. Done with you. You are boring!

        • mgm

          Did the studies indicate what part of the brain is involved with deliberate theft? For those not old enough to have “been there”, some years ago Biden was found guilty of plagerism. I had hoped at the time that it would be the end of his political career, but, alas, he survived after an insincere if tearful mea culpa. His intrinsic arrogance and phoneyness and mendacity were on full display last night. He and Obama deserve each other.

        • Daniele Dubroca

          Never made any sense to me (neither conserv nor lib) The definitions of what each category means, shifts with the winds. What I’ve seen the past 4 yrs with “liberals” are people who paid for CNN to protect & defend them; who kept wars going; who ridiculed respect for the flag (I’m not a flag-waver, but Mrs. B.O. ridiculing the soldiers managing the flag on Memorial day, was a low point in her sorry, criminal career.) It was a commemoration of people who died in the service of the country that pays for her vacations and her ghastly wardrobe. That woman is one of the most truly “odious” (to quote Caroline K.), creatures, ever to “grace” the WH. It will be a relief never to have to look at her gain, even more than at him.

  • FormerLiberal9

    Biden’s antics in the debate left even liberals a bit put off. I just don’t understand where the Obama campaign actually thinks that kind of behavior is going to help them in the long run. Biden would have been much more successful had he behaved in a respectful manner. Certainly Biden was prepped to act the way he did tonight by the campaign.

    • randi

      I am a lifelong liberal and I agree. Most Americans are tired of the negative attacks and are ready to work together to solve our problems. Undecideds are, for sure. This is a stunning failure of BO’s campaign – they should have pivoted immediately to self-promotion after the last debate. Joe’s behavior in this debate (I read somewhere he interrupted 80+ times) was the wrong tactic – I (we?) are looking to break gridlock on the Hill. Who thinks that laughing at and mocking and interrupting your opposition is going to help accomplish that? Every negative attack after the first debate is just pushing people away. Stunning.

      • randi

        Just want to add – I do want to thank both Joe and Paul for arriving prepared – both men do have a lot of knowledge. And both of them do show up to work every day…and both have passion. No empty chairs in this debate. LOL

    • KenoshaMarge

      Word was that Axlerod took over the prepping as the debate got closer. Seems about the kind of trash that Axlerod does.

      • Fred82

        Axelrod and Jarrett are two of the most worthless people to ever set foot in American politics.

        • KenoshaMarge

          Am in complete agreement.

    • DianaLC

      The prepping might have also included an early flight to Kentucky to sample the liquor in his gift bag.

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Waking up this morning, I struck with the question of “Was that really our current vice president?” The quy was disrectful, rude, condescending, and even unhinged. He was the crazy uncle we’d like to avoid. Scary part is, he’s our current vice president.

    Oh, that’s right, he is Barack Obama’s insurance against impeachment.

    • Hokma

      That is the way he was in the Senate and he never changed. He was a loose cannon then and is now.

    • TeakWoodKite

      Obama has a thing for “crazy uncles”.

  • Guest
    • HELENK2

      I can understand that. When your record is so bad that you can not talk about it, send in the clowns

  • randi

    Worth watching – undecideds give thoughtful comments on the debate
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/11/luntz_focus_group_on_vp_debate_biden_was_arrogant.html

  • HARP2

    It was obvious that only Ryan came prepared to debate serious topics. Biden thought he was trying out for Hee Haw.

    • http://www.last.fm/music/Samuel+Barber/_/Adagio+for+Strings adagioforstrings

      & poor Joe, he apparently didn’t get the memo that Hee Haw’s no longer on the air :-(

  • HARP2
    • DianaLC

      This is perfect! A braying Demky! That’s O’Biden for sure!

  • Penngirl

    “If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.” Proverbs 29:9

    • DianaLC

      Good one!!

  • TeakWoodKite

    News Flash: large percentage of CA voters switched to Romney Ryan after debate.

    * 30% switched from the Obama ticket to the Romney ticket.
    * 29% switched from undecided to the Romney ticket.
    * A total of 59% switched to the Romney ticket.

    That is here in CA…

    • Hokma

      Obama is in severe trouble (thank goodness)

      • randi

        Careful…popular vote (which MR certainly is winning) does not get you into the office. Pay extra attention to BO’s campaign focus on specific states. They are zero-ing in – they still intend to get the 270.

        • Hokma

          Ignore the clearly dem biased polls (Marist, Quinnipeac, PPP, AP, etc) and Romney is pulling ahead more everyday.

          Dick Morris had this right all along. He said that with a failed President like Obama it is a matter of the challenger winning over the swing voters. Once the challenger has convinved the swing voters then it is all over. It is just a matter of degree.

          The first debate was their first intro to Romney and it cancelled out $150 million in negative ads by Obama. Add to that the reckless acts by Obama since which all the world sees for what they are and it is only getting worse daily for the big O.

          This will not be close and could be a landslide.

    • HARP2

      Do you have a link for that Teak ?

    • DianaLC

      Great news!

    • roafer

      Dream about it!

  • Hokma

    I watched it on dvr and absolutely agree with your assessment which was also the assessment of lefties like Mark Halpern and Tom Brokaw. Perhaps his debate coach was Chris Matthews.

    What is going to hurt Obama are two slips:

    1. Biden denying the established fact that the administration received requests for additional security in Benghazi. That becomes a major point for Romney in the very next debate and also may place Obama/Biden at odds with Hillary and the State Dep’t.

    2. Blaming “the intelligence community” for the bizarre excuse of a youtube video as the reason for the Benghazi attack. I would not be surprised to see something leak out that is embarrassing to Obama soon.

    • HoosierinDixie

      Hokma the WH is already saying Biden and Obama do not know about the request for additional security in Libya. I find this hard to believe after a month long investigation into a terrorist attack which resulted in 4 dead Americans, daily intel briefings and a televised Congressional hearing all occurring before a debate on foreign policy issues. I guess it’s true they really do get their news from People Magazine.

      • Hokma

        Either they are lying or they are incompetent. Libya is not exactly an innocuous location that no one is ignoring.

        My guess is that they are lying and going for plausable deniability.

        I am just waiting for Hillary to become unhinged over this because it is evident that they are ultimately looking to put blame on her entirely.

        • HoosierinDixie

          I agree. Plausible deniability before the fact maybe but certainly not after. Let’s not forget Joe’s area of expertise is foreign affairs and the issue was bound to come up in the debate. I can’t imagine he hasn’t heard about the security request when it’s been all over the news and the average citizen is now aware of the fact. Hillary gets no sympathy from me. She should of known when you lay down with dogs you wake up with fleas. I am more interested in learning how the intelligence circles are responding to the administrations attempts to blame them for the attack. Maybe Larry can provide some information on that.

          • Hokma

            Obama and Biden are playing with fire.

            1. a concocted lie about what happened in Libya.

            2. a massive cover up of what happened.

            3. pointing fingers of blame at a youtube film maler, at the intelligence community, at the State Department and Hillary Clinton, and blaming Romney.

            4. By throwing Hillary and her department under the bus Obama risks annoying Bill Clinton (again).

            Put this together with a campaign built on slander and lies along with Big Bird and the Obama campaign is falling apart before our eyes.

            • HoosierinDixie

              Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch.

            • foxyladi14

              I LOVE IT. lolololol

        • mgm

          Let’s hope that Bill Clinton is the one who becomes unhinged and throws Obama under that crowded bus. A few words from Bill could end Obama’s campaign.

      • shelldoll2

        Maybe if Obama had shown up more for his DPB he would have known.

        • HoosierinDixie

          Very true Shelldoll2. But claiming they don’t even know it now proves that bullshit “leading from behind” is just that…..bullshit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

    Biden got Andrew Sullivan & his ilk off the ledge after Romney exposed Obama for the fraud he is last week. As others have noted every “serious” journalist thought Biden acted like a clown & are appalled at his behavior. It’s sad that that kind of rude boorishness is what Obama’s “base” wants — but really, that *is* who they are too.

    • KataKimbe

      This is why I said yesterday that it was a draw… because Biden got his peeps back. Just like those so called Undecideds in the CBS polls… they are Dems who were disillusioned by Obama last week… over 60% are now back in that corner.

      • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

        If this is serious what the new Democratic base wants – rude, boorish behavior – I am glad I left. They scare me now.

      • stodghie

        can you supply the article or link that says that? i have seen nothing saying any dem who was leaving has returned.

  • HELENK2
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    http://terrellaftermath.com/

    really great picture and caption for the debate

  • HELENK2

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/12/pelosis-pac-runs-kitchen-themed-ad-against-first-female-combat-fighter-pilot/

    princess nancy and her pac go to war against the first female combat fighter pilot.
    so which party is waging war on women????

  • HELENK2

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/10/morning-after-notes.php

    so who showed up at the debate for the dem side??

  • samb1

    Well said.

  • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

    I don’t get the people who were disappointed in Ryan for not being more aggressive. Ryan was perfect. He spoke up quite a few times, called Biden out on his aggression by referencing the pressure he was under to perform after the last debate, and always kept a calm and cool demeanor. The absolute worst thing he could have done would have been to stoop to Biden’s level, and thus making himself unlikable in the process.

    • HELENK2

      the last thing Ryan needed to do was make biden a victim.
      as I said earlier in the week
      lesson learned from work

      the customer is not always right, but he is allowed to be wrong with dignity .
      biden was wrong in every respect, but still got treated with the dignity and respect owed to the office of vice president

      Ryan handled it correctly

    • KataKimbe

      He could have brought up some detailed points to respond to Joe’s idiotic rants. Not being louder or ruder… just more factual. He lost many opportunities. But then again, Radditz might have interrupted him.

    • Malcolm_Reynolds

      I thought it was a smart strategy to just allow Biden to make a complete fool of himself on television and hang himself.

  • HELENK2
    • Hokma

      The problem with RCP is that their average is slanted left because of the purposely Dem skewed polls they use. In other words the map is much, much worse for Obama.

      • KataKimbe

        But in this case that is not a problem… that map has switched big time in Romney’s favor. Obama has lost many leaning States to being a toss up now. This is what HelenK2 is most likely referring to.

        • Hokma

          What I am saying is that “reality” would have more states in leaning or solidly in Romney if RCP used honest polls only.

          Add to that the fact that there is evidence that Democrats voters are less inclined to vote and GOP voters are much more enthused to vote this cycle than in ’08. Also the GOP leads Democrats in new voter registration. And that GOP are dominating early voting and absentee requests.

          While a lot of polls are still using the ’08 turnout as the model for their sampling (which is wrong) and even Rasmussen is using a model between ’08 and ’04, it is appearing that the actual turnout will favor the GOP far more than either of those elections.

          • KataKimbe

            I agree with you. But I don’t think that was what Helen’s post was about… that article is about what I mentioned above. Most of us not drinking the KoolAid KNOW that the majority of polls are done with a flawed model… this is why that article mentioned by Helen is so HUGE. Obama has less leaning states in spite of the model.

    • JohnnyTwoDog

      With Romney up in PA he won’t even need Ohio. Their importance just vanished.

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  • binky354

    Monte Blachford’s photo – found on Facebook.
    Biden’s lie # what?

    • KataKimbe

      I guess Joe doesn’t know math or maps. LMAO.

      • JohnnyTwoDog

        Biden took a geography class from professor 57 States.

    • MG6

      Way to funny!

    • Hokma

      5 times larger than Libya. Malarky.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/CIA-bin-Laden-Obama/2012/10/11/id/459565

    this one is for you Larry

    CIA found ben laden in spite of backtrack

  • HELENK2

    Iowa Hawk

    Biden did what he had to do last night: audition for a 5pm slot at MSNBC in January.

    • JohnnyTwoDog

      he’ll be at home with all the other exagerated faces.

  • foxyladi14

    Bravo.

  • DianaLC

    Hmmmm…..I wonder what Biden did for the women’s vote. Read this:
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/330247/women-biden-was-jerk-debate-katrina-trinko

    • HoosierinDixie

      DianaLC I said the same thing on the other debate thread. Joe played to his base. He didn’t score points with women or independents with that performance.

    • JohnnyTwoDog

      “He’s that obnoxious guy that every woman knows at work who always interrupts at the meeting to show how ‘brilliant’ he is but has nothing to say,” wrote one woman

      “Biden was so obviously acting and playing the role of an old-school chauvinist that he almost seemed slimy to me,” e-mailed Gerre Brenneman. “I ended up feeling that if he were my boss, I would be patted on the head when I entered his office and patted on the butt when I left.”

  • HELENK2

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100184761
    /the-vice-presidential-debate-was-bidens-smile-vs-ryans-eyes-the-eyes-may-have-it-just/

    the eyes have it

    biden ouch

  • gina

    Good grief! Biden acted like he was on some reality show. What a disgrace. Paul Ryan was clear headed,intelligent and classy. I thought to myself,I hope after seeing Biden so unhinged ,I don’t get nightmares. Ugh! .

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    So now Jay Carney at the White House is out blaming Paul Ryan for Joseph Biden’s irritating smiles and behavior:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/oct/12/white-house-defends-bidens-debate-demeanor/

    • HoosierinDixie

      Matthew I am sure it won’t be long before they blame Martha for not stopping Joe from making an ass out of himself. Wait for it.

  • Hokma

    Told ya so . . . .

    “This new rift, which the Clintons and Obamas have managed to keep secret from the media, has poisoned their relations to such an extent that it could conceivably have an impact on the outcome of the presidential election.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/12/the-clinton-obama-rift/

    I wonder if Obama will even win his home state as this unravels.

    • HoosierinDixie

      LOL. I guess we should start looking for a Bill Clinton gaffe that is really not a gaffe but a cleverly disguised shot between the eyes. I am sure it will be “stellar.”

    • HELENK2
      • Hokma

        That is a terrific blog and like the way they expanded on this.

        What caught my eye was this:

        “In this war between the State Department and the Obama White House”

        You have to wonder where exactly Obama learned about the Constitution but as memory serves me the State Department IS the White House – The President leads the Executive Branch which includes his Cabinet among whom is the Secretary of State the very leader of the State Department.

        Now I know that Obama never ran anything in his life and so he never had anyone report to him. So I could undertstand if he does no know that the leader IS responsible for the people who report to them.

        Ipso facto if you, the leader of the Executive Branch is having a “war” with the people who report to you then you are incompetent.

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    joe gives the republicans so much ammunition maybe they should pay him. new ad
    I always say what I mean

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fvg9wuWY2tc#!

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    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/10/12/obama-campaign-to-hold-first-muslim-outreach-event/

    backtrack bunch to hold muslim outreach event on Sunday

    wonder if they will play the video

    • HELENK2

      keep any school girls home, they might get shot or have acid thrown in their faces

  • HELENK2

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/10/20121012100499638.html

    UN wants plan for Mali in 45 days.

    are we going to get in the middle of this??

  • HELENK2

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/12/video-from-benghazi-consulate-shows-organized-attack.html

    is this the tape that Issa was talking about.
    not only cameras from compound but also from drone overhead

  • http://www.last.fm/music/Samuel+Barber/_/Adagio+for+Strings adagioforstrings

    Biden’s performance seemed targeted to mobilizing the netroots Kos Kids MSNBC Kool Aid drinkers vs appealing to the middle.
    Ryan had to balance trying to be assertive vs being a jerk like Biden & risk alienting independent voters. Some callers (mostly men) to radio shows complained that Biden basically bunted vs hit a homerun & acted too much like a wimp by allowing Biden to walk on him. However, most female callers thought Biden was off-putting & overbearing & alientating. It still looks like a close race, unfortunately.