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Emails Expose White House Lies on Benghazi

Told you so. The emails and cables documenting what happened are voluminous. Just wait till the classified material sees the light of day. Obama is a goddamn liar. And he is a coward. When this attack was underway, Obama spent his time worrying about how to avoid taking political damage. He did not focus on how to save or assist the U.S. diplomats and personnel being attacked. He worried only about himself and how to deflect any potential poltical damange. Shameful.

So, let’s look at the first cable and I will help you interpret the message:

This message was sent at 4:05 pm eastern daylight time from the Department of State. It originated either with the State Ops Center or the Diplomatic Security Watch. And who received the message? “@NSS.EOP.GOV” means National Security Statt.Executive Office of the President. That’s the White House, probably the chief of the watch in the Situation Room. Addressees also included FBI, the Pentagon and a blacked out US military entity.

So, within minutes of start of the attack on the Benghazi “Diplomatic Mission,” the White House, the Department of State, the FBI and the Pentagon were alerted.

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Fifty minutes later, this message is posted, which notes that the firing has ceased and a response team is on site searching for the Ambassador:

Note, once again, that the White House and the Pentagon are informed.

Two hours later (6:07 PM) comes the real news:

Let me help you with some of the terms. “SES_DUTYDEPUTIES” and S_SPECIAL ASSISTANTS refer to senior State Department personnel. SES is the acronym for Senior Executive Service. These are the equivalent of General Officers in the military services. “S” is the abbreviation for the SECRETARY of STATE. In other words, Hillary and her assistants were notified. The Bureau of Counter Terrorism was notified. The White House, the FBI and the Pentagon were all notified that an Al Qaeda group, Ansar al Sharia claimed credit for the attack.

This exposes in stark detail the bald face lies of Obama and Hillary. Shame on them.

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  • Karmo

    It’s hard to help anyone in that situation if your not close to the the target. Even if we would have sent a Extraction Force, it would have beena suicide mission. It should have never happen if they would have received the right security or have gotten out when they had the chance. If the drone was armed then why did it not fire on the attackers>

    • Hokma

      “If the drone was armed then why did it not fire on the attackers”

      The two Dem Senators on the senate Intelligence Committee were asked by Chris Wallace if it was armed and they refused to say.

      There would have been no good reason for it to fire if it was armed – only bad reasons.

      • Karmo

        It was not armed brother. I work in the community

  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82859.html

    Hilary Clinton now says she may NOT step down as SOS right away after the election.
    Due to Benghazi she may stay longer. If she thinks it will undo the damage to her reputation, I do not think that will work.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/10/25/Colin-Powell-Endorses-Obama-Again

    unbelievable how could anyone in the military endorse backtrack??????
    colin powell endorses backtrack again

  • Hokma

    As Obama is campaigning in Ohio he may need to answer a tiny little question about job outsourcing to China.

    His Chrysler company has states that they are moving production of the Jeep from Toledo Ohio to China:

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/jeep-an-obama-favorite-looks-to-shift-production-to-china/article/2511703#.UIl8DW_AcqO

    Yet another inconvenient fact standing in the way of his B.S. narrative.

  • MJP

    Dick Morris on dickmorris.com has a video about how the Benghazi issue is hurting Obama. He says he’s violated the first rule of a scandal: Get the truth out right away so the uproar dies down and goes away.

    The “drib and drab” of the current handling of the affair keeps it alive and current in people’s minds.

    • Hokma

      That would be the case except other than FoxNews who is even speaking about it?

      • MJP

        Because Mitt didn’t “politicize” the story, it’s still alive. Many are covering it, including talk radio, Fox and even CBS.

  • samb1

    2012.10.22 – TheBlazeTV – The Glenn Beck Program –
    Libya–The Real Story-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_Oqm6xCCyU

  • Sandy

    Anyone who can help

    I believe Donald Trump has a good
    Idea. Millions would like to know, they also could participate with a
    pledge of their own. This could all be tabulated in one website with
    everyone tracking how many participated and the total amount. Donald
    Trumps 5 million could become 10 20 or 100 million who knows? Many
    wealthy people might match his offer. He would probably want to give
    it the exposure as he seeded the idea. Does anyone know who might
    want to spear head and have the capabilities to set up such a
    website.

    I will pledge $50 personally. When I told my
    friend Henry of the Idea he also pledged $50 so now the call for
    Obama to release his records is $5,000,100.00

    Obama we the people demand you release your
    records.

    Sandy

    P.S. Maybe your web sight ??? It could go viral !

    • randi

      Please take this in the spirit intended. This election is near the end and ‘appears’ to be close (for electoral votes) – the remaining undecided voters are breaking FOR Mitt. They seem to be deciding for Mitt based on the fact that they believe that he has a better chance to fix the economy. Focusing on any other issue at this moment of the race is likely to hurt Mitt’s chances. Just my opinion – but my liberal (mostly female) family and friends are leaning towards Mitt but they could go back easily to Obama. Stay the course as Mitt is doing. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs.

      • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

        I agree with Randi. Mitt does not need this sort of help. He’s doing fine on his own running a clean campaign.

    • MJP

      I like your idea. With all the Gloria Allreds floating around and the 24-hour news cycle, this is a positive for Mitt. Drills home to the young crowd that this guy is not the be-all and end all he was portrayed to be in 2008.

      Helps counter Daily Show antics, where many young get their news.

      I don’t have a website, but would be willing to contribute!

    • HObama HObamanana

      Trump is just trying to make it appear as if he is relevant to this election. He isn’t and this is just grandstanding. Obama isn’t going to release any records that he has sealed. They were sealed for a very specific purpose and he isn’t about to change direction merely because of Trump’s big mouth and deep pockets.

      • Sandy

        Your right he
        would never release them. The idea is not about Trump or Obama, its
        about you & me and everyone else who has common sense rational
        thinking, speaking in a method they will understand. The thought was
        that people could show their support for transparency and actually
        see those numbers in real people and real dollars. This way they
        could feel good about themselves and put into perspective that they
        are large in numbers.

        Sandy

        • HObama HObamanana

          I understand your position. I just do not believe that Obama has a conscience and therefore really doesn’t care one way or the other how you or I feel.

  • Eyes Wide Open

    Yes souls. Sometimes I think people have lost them, maybe I should have said moral compass.

  • getfitnow

    Betrayal, one email at a time. A must-read.
    http://spectator.org/archives/2012/10/25/obama-knew/1

    • Hokma

      As much as I blame Obama, the news media is complicit in this by ignoring the news and aiding Obama in this cover up.

  • KataKimbe

    Shame on the media… who next will own up to covering for Obama?
    “The new CBS footage suggests that Obama did, in fact, describe the Benghazi attacks as premeditated terrorism–not in the Rose Garden but in the White House itself, in a portion of an interview that did not air until more than a month later.
    During that time, both CBS and Obama could have referred to the interview, but did not–likely because doing so would have vindicated Obama at the cost of exposing his subsequent deceit.
    The fact that CBS refrained from publishing the critical clip from the interview widens the political scandal surrounding Benghazi into a media scandal”. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/25/CBS-Busts-Obama–and-Itself-Hidden-60-Minutes-Clip-Proves-White-House-Lied-About-Benghazi

  • shelldoll2

    As for Obama – that’s why we have those things called fighter jets and that’s why it’s called cover fire. All you had to do was pick up the phone. I’ve had to roll out at 1 am 2 am 3 am etc. You couldn’t be bothered? Their blood is on your hands.

    Hell, I’m not the POTUS and I could have, have done, and would have done a better job.

    You never leave your people hanging.

    Never.

    • HARP2

      Damn straight !!

    • TeakWoodKite

      I’ve had to roll out at 1 am 2 am 3 am…
      as in wheels up?

      • shelldoll2

        Yes.

        • TeakWoodKite

          3wire to you and yours . Awesome

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Larry, I didn’t see anything about the preceding demonstration incited by the video “Innocence of Muslims” that ultimately led to the armed attack on the Consulate in any of these cables. Did you just not include that part? The video inciting the demostration that ultimately led to the attack was my understanding from the President, the Secretary of State, and our UN Ambassador to be the orogonal cause of the attack. When did we first discover the causality of the video? Do we have those reports?

    • seattlegonz

      Retired, the video was not the cause of the demonstrations…it was the excuse. The video had been posted in July and had been up for months and no one had seen it.

      The State Dept kids apologized for the video before the attack in Benghazi (but they jumped the gun, because the apology wasn’t supposed to come out until after the sept 11 protests…so there was a quick retraction from state about the apology. Mitt went out to comment on the apology not on the attack.)

      Then the sept 11 anti-america demonstrations happened, our diplomats were killed (basically an attack on American soil, where our flag was taken down and al queda’s flag was raised over several us embassies) and then the apologies were official to come out.

      The wh knew there were going to be demonstrations on sept 11 and they needed an excuse for it. They came up with the video as the reason.

      • Earl Stick

        Gonz,
        Retired is being facetious, as usual. He knows full well the video had diddley-squat to do with it. But he’s not being snarky, he’s being silly! Like many old men, like me, he realizes that being funny is about all we have left to offer! Nobody wants our wisdom, we stopped being sexy years ago, and we’re not rich! Funny still works, but that’s about it!

        • TeakWoodKite

          retired has a great cooking show I hear and a very sharp set of cutlery.

  • binky354

    The heads of the military, evidently, thought “no response” was o.k. I don’t understand why they don’t put Obama under house arrest, or whatever they can do. Obama knew Americans were being killed and went to bed. There was no timely response to the attack. What would he do if it was the mainland under attack? I feel anger dammit!

  • KataKimbe

    OT. “Allred’s client, Maureen Sullivan, the woman pushing to unseal the gag order on her own divorce records, is an embittered leftie, a Huffington Post “Super User,” and a vicious anti-Mormon bigot.” http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/24/Allreds-Client-Anti-Mormon-Bigot-Seeking-Money

    • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

      You forgot to mention batsh*t crazy!! And while I had an issue when people used that term for Michele Bachmann, with this woman, it applies. Sullivan can’t even write a coherent sentence, and emotionally she sounds like a 15-year-old.

      • KataKimbe

        I just quoted from Breibert. I haven’t even read that batsh*t crazy woman’s stuff. I can’t make it on HuffPo for long.

  • getfitnow

    Yes, it is indeed my responsibility, my right, my privilege. And as an American, I will be
    voting for Mitt Romney.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/24/maya-angelou-pens-obama-email/

  • getfitnow
    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      That’s what happens when you vote for a white boy that speaks jive.

  • HELENK2

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/10/24/egypt-jihadist-involved-
    in-benghazi-attack-blows-himself-up-during-firefight-with-police-in-cairo/

    so how do they know he was involved??????????????????

    • KenoshaMarge

      Guess we’ll just have to take their world for that.

    • HObama HObamanana

      What rot!

  • HELENK2

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/10/24/number-of-network-newscasts-leading-with-story-of-emails-showing-obama-knew-benghazi-was-a-terror-attack-zero/

    number of network newscasts leading with story of e-mails showing backtrack knew benghazi was terror attack

    ZERO

    • binky354

      So sad, so discouraging.

  • no_longer_a_democrat

    And no one came to help the 2 navy seals. Awful, just awful, a 7 hr fight and no one came to help them. This is just so gut wrenching, they were fighting on, and no one came to help them.
    As an American, I just find this so disgusting. No one came to help them, I just can’t get over that, our fellow americans fighting for hours, and no one came to help them.

    • HoosierinDixie

      Somebody told me today that Libya did grant airspace clearance but I haven’t seen any reports supporting that claim. Anyone know if this is true?????

  • Hokma

    I cannot remember a situation quite like this going back to the 60′s.

    This is firm evidence that Obama and Hillary KNEW what was happening and in real time.

    They may not have had time to save the Ambassador but they had time to save others.

    1. Why did they not act to send assets?

    2. Why did Obama go to sleep while this was ongoing?

    3. Why did Obama get on his airplane and fly to Las Vegas the very next day?

    4. Knowing that it was a terrorist attack and there were no demonstrations, why did he, and hillary, and rice, and carney lie to the news media and the American public that this was a sponraneous demonstration about a video?

    This is an enormous scandal because it involves multiple levels of an administration that is covering up a defective and inept policy for political election reasons only.

    I truly beiieve that Obama should either own up before the election to what was done, or resign before the election and give his spot on the ballot to Biden.

    What is even more nauseating is that this lowlife has the audacity to campaign based on “who do you trust more.”

    • TeakWoodKite

      I saw that. Obama is completely delusional.

    • felizarte

      They didn’t even try!

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      Perhaps Mr. Obama believed the old saying, “What goes on in the world while I’m in Vegas stays in Vegas.”

      • DianaLC

        And he knew he could believe it because he knew his friends in the media would cover for him.

  • Eyes Wide Open

    It is quite possible, in fact it is probable that some if not all of those men would still be alive if help had of arrived from Italy. And Obama climbed into some bed and slept and few off to Vegas the next day. How Bob from the 5 or anyone else can still defend Obama says everything about them.

    • HObama HObamanana

      I don’t know how probable it is that any of our guys would still be around but I can pretty much guarantee that there would be a whole lot less terrorists if we would have responded. To hell with Bob Beckel.

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      Bob Beckel is paid very hansomely by Fox to defend Obama. Like most upscale whores, he can fake enthusiasm to the level of Oscar.

      • KenoshaMarge

        With all due respect Retired while Beckel, Williams and Colmes are paid, very handsomely to defend the left I am of the opinion that they would do so for free. Being paid whores may be more comfortable than just whoring for the left but a well-off whore is after all, still a whore.

        It is what you see when integrity and character has been relegated to the trash heap and replaced by ideology and party loyalty.

        When politics means more than people’s lives, common decency and love of country you get people like Beckel.

        That is not to say that there aren’t the same type on the right. There are many. But just because there are scum on both sides doesn’t excuse anyone.

        Worst of all is the press that is supposed to be on the side of the people. That doesn’t seem to be working out very well.

      • Eyes Wide Open

        To be sure he is as is Juan Williams, however their heart shows in their eyes and it belongs to Obama. Who their souls belong to remains to be seen.

        • KenoshaMarge

          Souls?

  • http://table9chat.com Rose

    This is why we need alternative media. Thanks. I am astounded at the silence from the left and most of the media. Not all. We must thank those who are doing their jobs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

    What infuriates me most, is that this story is barely being reported anywhere outside of FOX News. Can you imagine if this was a Republican administration that did this? They (the media) would be calling for a resignation. This is a scandal of such proportions that should cost Obama the election.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001348291128 Sharon Pealer

      One idea is to drive the story, go to the CBS news web site and comment on the story. The more people are paying attention perhaps they will be encouraged to cover it. I have been to the sites of all the major stations this morning and CBS and Fox are really the only ones doing coverage. NBC has a video of Clinton commenting on the e-mail telling of the group taking credit, but nothing more and nothing on ABC.

  • elizabethrc

    This last 2 weeks are going to be dirtier than any of us anticipated. Rep Moran’s (D-VA) son was just caught in an O’Keefe (ACORN expose’) sting. He was caught discussing how to commit voter fraud! He just resigned as part of Moran’s campaign.
    What’s coming out of the woodwork is a bunch of nasty, vicious, desperate operatives and would-be operatives who are stooping as low as one can to find something bad about Romney (so far, no success).
    All this does it remind the voters how fresh and clean Romney seems by comparison, how they’ve taken a much higher road and instead of being as self interested as the Obama camp, are talking about how to rescue this country. They could care less about some overweight yellow bird. Frankly, I hope Obama keeps it up. He is looking like a fool.

    • KataKimbe
    • Dissentispatriotic

      Not only is this kid Jim Moran’s son (the Congressman), he’s the nephew of Jim’s younger brother who is the Chair of the VA Democratic Party. That has not been noted in any article I’ve read.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.blackfive.net/main/2012/10/the-conseqeunces-of-benghazi.html

    the consequences of Benghazi

    this is sad but true

    • HObama HObamanana

      It’s like Obama said in the last debate. We have these things called aircraft carriers. They are ships that carry planes. Planes that can take off and bomb the living hell out of terrorists attacking our citizens. I guess Obama didn’t learn about these aircraft carriers until after the attack.

    • binky354

      Be sure to read the comments too.

    • http://mcnorman.wordpress.com/ mcnorman
  • Madame_deFarge

    Obama can be impeached out of office and if convicted of crimes would lose his retirement and benefits. Of course, his law license was already surrendered. This is my hope.

  • piattq

    Larry, Help us understand this which is allegedly the basis of Susan Rice and other admin. misinfo:
    Administration spokesmen, including White House spokesmanJay Carney, citing an unclassified assessment prepared by the CIA, maintained for days that the attacks likely were a spontaneous protest against an anti-Muslim film.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Total bullshit. Talking points prepared by John Brennan.

      • Retired_from_SPOnaj

        At least now that the former “Zero Dark Thirty” liaison team has left PAO.

      • piattq

        Thanks Larry—do not understand how that came out as CIA doc. Of course, maybe that is Brennan’s position power. Just awful.

  • DianaLC

    There is also news now that some Tunisian has been arrested for his part in this attack. I wonder how this news is going to play out.

  • piattq

    Larry, What about the statement that there was also an email that the group claiming responsibility later denied responsibility? Hillary’s statement today?

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      I’ll put up a longer post on this tomorrow.
      LJ

  • MsContrary

    Everybody please pray that Hillary Clinton turns on the Obama Team. She was kicking Barry Soetoro’s (aka Barack Obama) ass until June 3, 2008 when the Politburo that runs the Democrat Party chose him over her. She needs to disassociate herself from that group ASAP and tell the truth to save her soul.

    • HObama HObamanana

      Ain’t gonna happen. She cast her lot with this bunch and will go down with their sinking ship.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Her journey to the darkside was complete the second she accepted the SOS position.

    • getfitnow

      Pray for Hillary? Why ? She’s willing to go along with this shameful debacle.
      Why would she go this far–to make an ad with That One, still blaming the video. It’s disgusting.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P43CdoE02k
      ..and this,
      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/24/clinton-downplays-emails-implicating-al-qaeda-tied-group-within-hours-libya/

      • HObama HObamanana

        I absolutely agree with you, fully.

      • felizarte

        all the years I looked at her with such admiration–all a waste. I am so sad. Doubly sad for those four who did not have to die. I only hope that their deaths are the surest way of revealing the true character of those involved.

    • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

      Hillary has blood on her hands and has disgraced herself. Whether through incompetence or politics, she is as guilty as Obama for not defending America and Americans. She should resign in shame.

  • DianaLC

    Greta was pretty worked up about these emails last night. She can’t understand why the video meme was used.
    Too bad only one news outlet, FOX, is covering this really. At least it is the most watched. One thing is certain after listening to Bob Beckel today on The Five: Far-left Dimocrats can make up excuses for everything.

    I get the most angry about the way these four dead Americans are truly being treated as if they were bumps in the road. Was there no real effort to try to send in help? Larry, can you address that question? Could any effort to help have been made? I know the man Bret Baier interviewed, someone from Utah I believe, who had been in Libya with a unit and who had requested to stay but was not given permission, seemed almost in tears during his interview with Bret thinking that his group might have helped in some way.

    • binky354

      Read the comments in comments in Helenk2′s posting:
      http://www.blackfive.net/main/…the consequences of Benghazi

      • DianaLC

        I tried to, but the link did not work. In any case, I think I did read this one later. Makes me sick. I think it’s time to call my Congressmen–two Dem Senators among them–and voice my concerns.

    • shelldoll2

      I knew several pilots. Had they scrambled them our people might still be alive. Permission be damned.

  • Eyes Wide Open
    • HObama HObamanana

      Leon Panetta is a lying asshole like his boss.

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  • Popsmoke

    Leaking emails? I guess its ok as long as it supports ones agenda. Now here is my take. Now I agree with this take…

    Also here is another take on the emails…. Let’s see someone take this on?

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2012/10/benghazi-fever-on-the-right.html

    • randi

      um..so, who the heck sent official Obama administration reps to talk to the MSM/US Public about the inflammatory video for 2 weeks? Amb. to the UN Rice and White House Press Sec. Jay Carney. That looked like an intentional deflection to me. Oh..I am a life-long liberal so don’t talk to me about having an agenda. Just saw what I saw, you know?

      • Popsmoke

        Of course its a deflection…. the question Lang raised is valid. What was CIA doing there? The real screw up is not the protection or even who knew what when. Its about a $%#$ up policy of arming people we think we can control. BTW this is both a republican and democrat SNAFU..
        My issue with leaks no matter who does it for political gain is simple. Prosecution….

        • DianaLC

          I can not disagree with your assessment on this, but just as I was confused and angry about dirty dealing during the time of the Iran/Contra affair, I do not disapprove of people letting us know what our government is doing even sometimes when they don’t want us to know. I know that there has to be top secret dealings, but I also know that we may want to disapprove of some of those top secret dealings.
          And I believe that we have discussed this idea in regard to the possibility of what was really happening in Libya in regard to sending arms to Syria from there in the hands of dangerous people who might/may have used them against us.

        • HObama HObamanana

          It’s kinda obvious what the CIA was doing in Benghazi. They were recruiting militants to fight in Syria and trying to find out who had the weapons that Obama’s actions let fall into the hands of undesirables.

        • Hokma

          This is not a GOP snafu.

          What the CIA was doing there or even the Ambassador is secondary to the administration conduct.

          These emails show that Obama and Clinton knew what was happening in real time – did nothing – Obama went to sleep while this was unfolding and then hopped on a plane to Vegas the next morning – and then Obama/Hillary/Rice/Carney proceed to perpetrate a fabriated lie to the news media and Americans that this was a spontaneous demonstration it all was a result of a video.

          Someone needs to teach Obama the meaning of responsibility and then explain what a CiC is supposed to do.

          I am serious. This is worse than Watergate. Obama should resign and give his ballot position to Biden.

          • HObama HObamanana

            I agree with you that this is much worse than Watergate. But Obama doesn’t have the moral conscience to resign. Barack “Me” Obama doesn’t take the fall or responsibility for anyone, including himself.

          • Popsmoke

            Bullshit… Give me a break. Fucking McCain and his IRI though not responsible for execution of our FP supported arming the fucking rebels including the extremists. the emails LEAKED for nothing more than political gain are secondary to a screwed up arming policy and a fucked up CIA operation. The rest is smoke.
            Where is bad ass Issa on the arming issues right this fucking minute? Let me tell you? Sitting on the info until after the election because that issue had GOP support….

            • Hokma

              What the hell does John McCain have anything to do with the botched management in Benghazi or the cover up. Nothing.

              Obama should resign and take himself off the ballot.

              • Popsmoke

                Look as SPOnaj pointed out. There is a process that works with FP and intel issues. The GOP is not removed from any of that..
                But should Bush have resigned for Iraq? Of course not. Maybe not been relected. But he was. Should Obama resign? Nope.. should he be relected? Nope not after Benghazi. Is Romney any better? Hell no! Are there any other choices? Hell no! We are screwed either way…

    • HObama HObamanana

      So Pat Lang has hopped on the if you support Romney you must be a racist bandwagon. Very sad. I had such previous respect for the man. If this is where you truly stand Popsmoke then you can go straight to hell. I don’t take kindly to being called a racist merely because I don’t support a black President. It’s clear who the real racists are.

      • Popsmoke

        I can tell you this much. Pat Lang like Larry Johnson is NO racist. But is there racism present in this race? Of course there is. I can’t tell how many people I have run into who have said that they don’t want that N….. in office any more. So they will vote for Romney. So racism is very present. Let’s not kid ourselves. Of course like Larry who does not like Obama. Pat does not like Romney and that does not mean that Pat has not been critical of Obama either.
        However, the points he raised are critical and go directly to the heart of the matter. This was not an attack on the United States. This was an attack on the indian givers.. My question is and has always been. What were the indian givers doing using the consulate as cover? He is also cforrect as far as the press not asking the right questions.
        Now as far as I a concerned. I am not an Obama supporter and I do not like Romney. As Larry already knows on October 15th I voted early. My attention were to protest vote. But after Benghazi and a fucked up CIA operation which resuled in the attack and caught our ambassador in the open. I could not forgive the policy fuck up, so I votee for Romney.

        • Popsmoke

          PS: I still do not like Romney and will continue to be critical.. But I had enough of Obama…

          • TeakWoodKite

            Shit happens. Don’t it?

            • Popsmoke

              There is shit and then there is fucking shit. I just wish we would stop the sniping and get right to the arming facts… The problem is the GOP has limited cover….

              • TeakWoodKite

                I would expect one to question whoever is POTUS and the bullcrap from any administration.
                Politics is the art of being a hypocritter and very very few of those in this caged exhibit are so principled that they are without human failings and duplicity. Sucks, but that’s the deal.
                Just remember..”the revolution will not be televised” the results will be.

        • Retired_from_SPOnaj

          Pop wrote: “My question is and has always been. What were the indian givers doing using the consulate as cover?”
          Good question. Here’s one for you: “Who would have to sign off on the use of a Consulate as the cover in an authorized covert action?”
          Answer: (1) the guy that signed the Presidential finding, and (2) at a minimum, the Gang of Eight. Now there’s bipartisanship. Think about it.

          • Popsmoke

            The gang of eight…. I have been out of the loop so long I forgot about the “process”. What a way to start a morning…

          • TeakWoodKite

            What happens if one or more of the “eight” do not sign off? Do they do a Rockerfeller and stick the dance card in a safe for a CYA or is it that they are informed and thats that?

        • HObama HObamanana

          Pardon me for stating the OBVIOUS, but the phrase “indian givers” is EXTREMELY RACIST! I know you didn’t mean it that way, or I at least sincerely hope so. I’ve heard all kinds of things during the past 4+ years concerning race. Usually my own beliefs are the brunt of accusations. The N word is not a normal part of my vocabulary and I get along with black folks just fine as long as they aren’t accusing me of being a racist because I am “white.”

          These “indian givers” as you label them were executing American policy, Obama’s American policy to be precise. So their attack was definitely upon America and Americans.

          Concerning the revelation of your “protest” vote I am perhaps a little shocked and I apologize for not knowing this. Because considering some of the (numerous) things you have said about Romney this is a real turnaround. But I do understand your motivations and also agree with your feelings concerning the “policy fuckup.”

          I don’t support what has been going on in Libya. I didn’t like Quaddafi and am glad he is gone but the power vacumn that anyone with half a brain could anticipate has really made things worse in many respects. And while I can find fault with the CIA the orders came from the President who set the “policy” to begin with. You know this, I know this and so do the American people, the ones that have actually read our Constitution and don’t plug their brains into MSNBC every day.

          • Popsmoke

            I use Bartletts defination of indian giver… and the point is… the arming policy is what caused the attack. The ambassador was collateral damage… The rest is secondary..

            As far as attacking America? When we piss in peoples back yards rather than undestand that it might provoke a really bad response and not give a shit. Then we ask for that really bad response. Unfortunately people die in situations like this. But our support of this entire Arab Sping deal has been one cluster fuck after another…

            That is the point americans are not getting…

            • HObama HObamanana

              I completely agree with you about the Abab Spring. And we are in full agreement about pissing in people’s back yard. I do understand the security need to attempt to shape events but it doesn’t appear as if any great thought was put into this response and these actions. It seems as if it operated on pie in the sky assumptions and I find it difficult to accept that the CIA crafted such a half-assed plan. I also find objectionable a foreign policy that places “democracy” above common sense. At least with Qaddafi and Mubarak in place we had some sense of stability in the region. Without them ……. we are all seeing the consequences.

              I wonder how many Americans are aware that we have been arming Libyans to go fight in Syria on our behalf? Obama is doing everything he can to hide that fact from the American public. It destroys the illusion he has been attempting to craft for himself as some great peacemaker. And I fear he may get away with it.

            • TeakWoodKite

              Who’s support? Not mine. Do I want humans to live with dignity and freedom? Of course. The Arub Sprung is a return to the 14th century. Yes over thowing dictators might akin to “Elf Bowling” but recent history has seen very negative results.
              (IMHO) Islam is not a belief system that is in anyway democratic or able to sustain a constitutional “democracy” as we in this country understand it. (those increasingly few who now what the constitution says)
              Do you blame Romney for invading Iraq? or for interferring in any number of ME countries?

  • http://www.projectweavers.com/ Matthew J. Weaver

    Yes, lies from a coward and their minions. If there was time Obama should be impeached. Shame on the media fot facilitating the lies and coverup.

    • TeakWoodKite

      Is there a statute of limitations on impeachemnt? or negligent homicide?

      • elizabethrc

        I asked that question the other day and was told that a President CAN be impeached after leaving office.

        • HObama HObamanana

          I would like some clarification on the Constitutional justification for such a claim. My reading of the Constitution doesn’t find it.

          • elizabethrc

            I’m not even sure how to find out, other than ask an attorney or a Congressperson….oh wait…they seem to lie a little too easily to suit their particular case!

    • Eyes Wide Open

      Maybe he should be arrested? Odd that all the military is so silent. Preparing for something or cowed into submission or willing partners?
      Those men were murdered. To silence them? To promote the video as a reason to take away freedom of speech and please the Muslims?

      • HObama HObamanana

        One thing we can do for certain, we can vote him out of office.

    • MarkFtLaud

      It is heart wretching. Disgusting.

  • TeakWoodKite

    “non-optimal” “bumps in the road”.

    Ironic that Jon Stewart asks the POTUS about the different agencies not being on the same page when it came to communications.