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		<title>By: LAUREN</title>
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		<dc:creator>LAUREN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can laugh at him all you want, but Alex Jones has been warning us about this for several years.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew P</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7424/secretary-of-state-or-secretary-at-war/#comment-1072184</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome, Steve. &quot;Team of Rivals,&quot; my a**. Welcome to the snakepit.

I also welcome the trend (if it is one) towards named, identifiable contributors to this site. There ought to be limited tolerance here for trash talking in articles, and pseudonyms seem to encourage it. When I see it defended in follow-up articles by other pseudonyms, I want to change the dial.

Then I read an excellent, incisive analysis about the situation in India and Pakistan by Larry Johnson, and I stay where I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, Steve. &#8220;Team of Rivals,&#8221; my a**. Welcome to the snakepit.</p>
<p>I also welcome the trend (if it is one) towards named, identifiable contributors to this site. There ought to be limited tolerance here for trash talking in articles, and pseudonyms seem to encourage it. When I see it defended in follow-up articles by other pseudonyms, I want to change the dial.</p>
<p>Then I read an excellent, incisive analysis about the situation in India and Pakistan by Larry Johnson, and I stay where I am.</p>
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		<title>By: S. Markom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7424/secretary-of-state-or-secretary-at-war/#comment-1072102</link>
		<dc:creator>S. Markom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James

You’re entitled to your opinion but before calling anyone foolish you should first take a second look at your own comments.

In &lt;em&gt;“Political Reality Point No. 4”&lt;/em&gt; you say that Obama has been “unable to produce any results” regarding foreign policy. Then in Political Reality Point No. 5 you say that &lt;em&gt;“there was very little separation between Hillary and Barack.” &lt;/em&gt; On what can you base the second point on since, as you said, he has had no results yet? You certainly can’t base it on his paper thin resume prior to running for President. And if you are basing it entirely on his campaign rhetoric he has flipped on so many issues that if you mention one I can point to something he said diametrically opposed to that position. No one knows yet whether Obama selected Hillary as window dressing or to be his closest foreign policy aid and if they will agree on issues. 

As far as what you characterize as “fears” and state that: &lt;em&gt;“For every “anti Israeli” member of his staff there is rock-ribbed Likudnik fellow traveler. Seeing as the definition of “anti-Israeli” is deeply skewed to mean anyone who does not immediately collapse into heap and lick the Israeli Ambassador’s hindquarters to a lustrous shine” the charge of being “anti-Israeli” is a rather ridiculous.” &lt;/em&gt;  - - - The fact is that during his campaign Obama’s foreign policy team were all people that were at least cool to Israel if not outright hostile which could have also reflected the influence of Obama’s past associations. That “fear” did not dissipate until the announcement of Hillary Clinton to SoS.

&lt;em&gt;Political Reality No 6 Hillary is no babe in the woods. If the SoS position was a one-way ticket to obscurity that William P. Rogers signed up to, then Hillary would not have touched the offer with a ten foot poll&lt;/em&gt;.  .  .  .  . no one will know the answer to this until work actually begins and this has a chance to play out.

&lt;em&gt;Political Reality No 8 Obama is keenly aware of political reality No 1. &lt;/em&gt;I’m sure he won’t go that far, but understand what selling Israel down the river can mean. If you force Israel to cede land it has occupied since the 1967 War in the hope that his foreign policy team can get a peace agreement with Syria, Lebanon, and an agreement for a separate Palestinian State and a NATO occupied buffer zone then you are selling Israel down the river. How much control do the leaders of Syria, Lebanon, and the PA have over Hamas, Hezbollah and other radical Islamic groups? None. I assume from your tone that you care less about Israel’s ability to protect itself from the constant threat of terrorism it has faced for decades.

To your characterization of Joe Lieberman. What evidence, other than that he is Jewish, do you have that Lieberman supports the Likud Party? What evidence do you have that Lieberman ever placed the interests of Israel ahead of the interest of the United States? You want to remark about Lieberman and his position on Iraq is one thing. To characterize Lieberman the way you have clearly has to come from your own personal animosity toward Israel and probably toward Jews.

Your final point is incredibly flawed with inaccuracies and obvious extreme bias on your part and frankly not worth responding to.

But as I said, you are entitled to your opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James</p>
<p>You’re entitled to your opinion but before calling anyone foolish you should first take a second look at your own comments.</p>
<p>In <em>“Political Reality Point No. 4”</em> you say that Obama has been “unable to produce any results” regarding foreign policy. Then in Political Reality Point No. 5 you say that <em>“there was very little separation between Hillary and Barack.” </em> On what can you base the second point on since, as you said, he has had no results yet? You certainly can’t base it on his paper thin resume prior to running for President. And if you are basing it entirely on his campaign rhetoric he has flipped on so many issues that if you mention one I can point to something he said diametrically opposed to that position. No one knows yet whether Obama selected Hillary as window dressing or to be his closest foreign policy aid and if they will agree on issues. </p>
<p>As far as what you characterize as “fears” and state that: <em>“For every “anti Israeli” member of his staff there is rock-ribbed Likudnik fellow traveler. Seeing as the definition of “anti-Israeli” is deeply skewed to mean anyone who does not immediately collapse into heap and lick the Israeli Ambassador’s hindquarters to a lustrous shine” the charge of being “anti-Israeli” is a rather ridiculous.” </em>  &#8211; - &#8211; The fact is that during his campaign Obama’s foreign policy team were all people that were at least cool to Israel if not outright hostile which could have also reflected the influence of Obama’s past associations. That “fear” did not dissipate until the announcement of Hillary Clinton to SoS.</p>
<p><em>Political Reality No 6 Hillary is no babe in the woods. If the SoS position was a one-way ticket to obscurity that William P. Rogers signed up to, then Hillary would not have touched the offer with a ten foot poll</em>.  .  .  .  . no one will know the answer to this until work actually begins and this has a chance to play out.</p>
<p><em>Political Reality No 8 Obama is keenly aware of political reality No 1. </em>I’m sure he won’t go that far, but understand what selling Israel down the river can mean. If you force Israel to cede land it has occupied since the 1967 War in the hope that his foreign policy team can get a peace agreement with Syria, Lebanon, and an agreement for a separate Palestinian State and a NATO occupied buffer zone then you are selling Israel down the river. How much control do the leaders of Syria, Lebanon, and the PA have over Hamas, Hezbollah and other radical Islamic groups? None. I assume from your tone that you care less about Israel’s ability to protect itself from the constant threat of terrorism it has faced for decades.</p>
<p>To your characterization of Joe Lieberman. What evidence, other than that he is Jewish, do you have that Lieberman supports the Likud Party? What evidence do you have that Lieberman ever placed the interests of Israel ahead of the interest of the United States? You want to remark about Lieberman and his position on Iraq is one thing. To characterize Lieberman the way you have clearly has to come from your own personal animosity toward Israel and probably toward Jews.</p>
<p>Your final point is incredibly flawed with inaccuracies and obvious extreme bias on your part and frankly not worth responding to.</p>
<p>But as I said, you are entitled to your opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: workingclass artist</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7424/secretary-of-state-or-secretary-at-war/#comment-1071941</link>
		<dc:creator>workingclass artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We shall see...I see this as a graceful exit from the political stage...Party wants her out of the senate and no more runs for POTUS...muzzle Bill...Sigh...Oh Well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We shall see&#8230;I see this as a graceful exit from the political stage&#8230;Party wants her out of the senate and no more runs for POTUS&#8230;muzzle Bill&#8230;Sigh&#8230;Oh Well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Owllwoman</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7424/secretary-of-state-or-secretary-at-war/#comment-1071918</link>
		<dc:creator>Owllwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Obama will get a two for one with Hillary.  That 3am phone call may be answered by Hillary with Bill at her side. Obama does not want to fail. With Hillary he may figure he gets a two for one deal, and that may make him feel safe in his position. A position I feel he was not ready to take on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Obama will get a two for one with Hillary.  That 3am phone call may be answered by Hillary with Bill at her side. Obama does not want to fail. With Hillary he may figure he gets a two for one deal, and that may make him feel safe in his position. A position I feel he was not ready to take on.</p>
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		<title>By: saving face</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7424/secretary-of-state-or-secretary-at-war/#comment-1071851</link>
		<dc:creator>saving face</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andy--  Could it be that Hillary was chosen by BO because of her support of Israel to implement Obama&#039;s new Middle East policies and to lend credibility to his anti-Israel point of view? Just asking....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andy&#8211;  Could it be that Hillary was chosen by BO because of her support of Israel to implement Obama&#8217;s new Middle East policies and to lend credibility to his anti-Israel point of view? Just asking&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: James (San Jose)</title>
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		<dc:creator>James (San Jose)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God what simple fools collect in these parts.  

Political reality No 1 national politicians who are not full supporters of Israel have the shelf life of a Haddock on hot August day.

Political reality No 2 both Hillary and Barack performed prodigious displays of butt snorkeling toward AIPAC during its convention and at every other opportunity that presented itself. 

Political reality No 3 Obama foreign policy stance is boringly conventional and consensus driven.  You could not find a more plain vanilla, center of the road, pragmatic policy if you tried.

Political reality No 4 results mater.  As Obama is Constitutionally prohibited from running the country at the moment he has been unable to produce any results.  His first real opportunity is on January 20th 2009. Any &quot;fears&quot; one may have are purely speculative. ( For every &quot;anti Israeli&quot; member of his staff there is rock-ribbed Likudnik fellow traveler.  Seeing as the definition of &quot;anti-Israeli&quot; is deeply skewed to mean &quot; anyone who does not immediately collapse into heap and lick the Israeli Ambassador&#039;s hindquarters to a lustrous shine&quot; the charge of being &quot;anti-Israeli&quot; is a rather ridiculous.)

Political reality No 5 On policy there was very little separation between Hillary and Barack.  It was mainly a question of emphasis and shading.  Hillary for political and philosophical reason was more willing to emphasize the big stick while Barack for the same reasons was more willing to emphasize the soft speech.  Other than that their world views a much more similar than either were willing to admit in the primaries.  Barack crowed about his supposed superior judgment whilst Hillary boasted about ducking incoming fire.  Barack edged out Hillary because he had &quot;the speech&quot; while Hillary had the large economy sized political Albatross that was the vote for the Authorization of Force in Iraq.

Political Reality No 6 Hillary is no babe in the woods. If the SoS position was a one-way ticket to obscurity that William P. Rogers signed up to, then Hillary would not have touched the offer with a ten foot poll. 

Political Reality No 7 For the last time 2012 is NOT HILLIARY&#039;S YEAR. Get it through your thick skulls!  2012 would be a Kamikaze run for Hillary.  There is no way she wins in 2012 period.  There is no historical precedent for a successful challenge to a sitting president from a member of his party in a least 100 years.  Go all the way back to T.R.&#039;s challenge to Taft even the Rough Rider failed in his quest.  He did set the pattern though by helping to elect a the opposition party&#039;s candidate.  Wilson glided over the wreckage of T.R.&#039;s and Taft&#039;s smash-up.  

Political Reality No 8 Obama is keenly aware of political reality No 1.  He is also no babe in the woods.  He is fully cognoscente of the need to keep AIPAC placated. He will keep the Israeli lobby in loop and will not make any sudden movements that might scare them.  The claim that he might sell the Israelis down the river to his &quot;radical friends&quot; who are secret Muslim sympathizers is laughable.  If there was anything that sinister about Obama lurking in the shadows AIPAC would have long ago ripped Obama into tiny shreds.  Come on, Obama even forgave Holy Joe Lieberman. Obama offered up a big olive branch to the Likud Senator from Connecticut.  An anti-Israeli Obama would have burned Lieberman alive because &quot;he puts the welfare of the State of Israel above that of the U.S.&quot;  An anti-Israeli Obama would have made an example out of Lieberman, shoving Holy Joe in to the arms of Republicans. Instead Obama intervened to bring Lieberman back into the Democratic Party fold.  Among other things the kid-glove treatment of Lieberman was a big sloppy kiss given to AIPAC.

Final Reality. Our country might be better shape if we were less enamored of Israel.  One of W&#039;s numerous mistakes in field of foreign affairs was being too solicitous of the Israeli government.  W joined himself to the hip of Ariel Sharon to the detriment of them both.  Israel actually benefits from a United States that can say no to it.  US policy benefits from honest criticism of Israel. We should at least be allowed to be as critical of Israel as the Israelis are.  Israel can do wrong, it is rather proficient in perusing pointless dead-end policies and burying its head in sand.  The continued occupation of the West Bank is a running sore on the body politic of Israel.  The settlement policy of the Israel is at best counterproductive and at worst a deep miscarriage of justice.  Exactly what does Israel really gain by plopping 500 extremist settlers in the middle of Hebron anyway? It is like putting a stash of nitroglycerin under your chicken coop and then being shocked when the resulting explosion covers you in egg yolk and  feathers.

It is a good thing that some of Obama&#039;s advisers favor a tougher stand on Israels.  The unconditional love we have been giving the Israelis needs to be replaced with something smarter. For the last eight years we have suffered through a NeoCon love fest of Israel.  Our policy has out-Likuded Likud; it was W that gave Sharon the push into the disastrous war with Hezbollah in Lebanon. If we are really lucky we might return to the even-handed sanity that used to be our policy pre-W.  You remember  those days when being a friend of Israel meant you were not a sycophant right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God what simple fools collect in these parts.  </p>
<p>Political reality No 1 national politicians who are not full supporters of Israel have the shelf life of a Haddock on hot August day.</p>
<p>Political reality No 2 both Hillary and Barack performed prodigious displays of butt snorkeling toward AIPAC during its convention and at every other opportunity that presented itself. </p>
<p>Political reality No 3 Obama foreign policy stance is boringly conventional and consensus driven.  You could not find a more plain vanilla, center of the road, pragmatic policy if you tried.</p>
<p>Political reality No 4 results mater.  As Obama is Constitutionally prohibited from running the country at the moment he has been unable to produce any results.  His first real opportunity is on January 20th 2009. Any &#8220;fears&#8221; one may have are purely speculative. ( For every &#8220;anti Israeli&#8221; member of his staff there is rock-ribbed Likudnik fellow traveler.  Seeing as the definition of &#8220;anti-Israeli&#8221; is deeply skewed to mean &#8221; anyone who does not immediately collapse into heap and lick the Israeli Ambassador&#8217;s hindquarters to a lustrous shine&#8221; the charge of being &#8220;anti-Israeli&#8221; is a rather ridiculous.)</p>
<p>Political reality No 5 On policy there was very little separation between Hillary and Barack.  It was mainly a question of emphasis and shading.  Hillary for political and philosophical reason was more willing to emphasize the big stick while Barack for the same reasons was more willing to emphasize the soft speech.  Other than that their world views a much more similar than either were willing to admit in the primaries.  Barack crowed about his supposed superior judgment whilst Hillary boasted about ducking incoming fire.  Barack edged out Hillary because he had &#8220;the speech&#8221; while Hillary had the large economy sized political Albatross that was the vote for the Authorization of Force in Iraq.</p>
<p>Political Reality No 6 Hillary is no babe in the woods. If the SoS position was a one-way ticket to obscurity that William P. Rogers signed up to, then Hillary would not have touched the offer with a ten foot poll. </p>
<p>Political Reality No 7 For the last time 2012 is NOT HILLIARY&#8217;S YEAR. Get it through your thick skulls!  2012 would be a Kamikaze run for Hillary.  There is no way she wins in 2012 period.  There is no historical precedent for a successful challenge to a sitting president from a member of his party in a least 100 years.  Go all the way back to T.R.&#8217;s challenge to Taft even the Rough Rider failed in his quest.  He did set the pattern though by helping to elect a the opposition party&#8217;s candidate.  Wilson glided over the wreckage of T.R.&#8217;s and Taft&#8217;s smash-up.  </p>
<p>Political Reality No 8 Obama is keenly aware of political reality No 1.  He is also no babe in the woods.  He is fully cognoscente of the need to keep AIPAC placated. He will keep the Israeli lobby in loop and will not make any sudden movements that might scare them.  The claim that he might sell the Israelis down the river to his &#8220;radical friends&#8221; who are secret Muslim sympathizers is laughable.  If there was anything that sinister about Obama lurking in the shadows AIPAC would have long ago ripped Obama into tiny shreds.  Come on, Obama even forgave Holy Joe Lieberman. Obama offered up a big olive branch to the Likud Senator from Connecticut.  An anti-Israeli Obama would have burned Lieberman alive because &#8220;he puts the welfare of the State of Israel above that of the U.S.&#8221;  An anti-Israeli Obama would have made an example out of Lieberman, shoving Holy Joe in to the arms of Republicans. Instead Obama intervened to bring Lieberman back into the Democratic Party fold.  Among other things the kid-glove treatment of Lieberman was a big sloppy kiss given to AIPAC.</p>
<p>Final Reality. Our country might be better shape if we were less enamored of Israel.  One of W&#8217;s numerous mistakes in field of foreign affairs was being too solicitous of the Israeli government.  W joined himself to the hip of Ariel Sharon to the detriment of them both.  Israel actually benefits from a United States that can say no to it.  US policy benefits from honest criticism of Israel. We should at least be allowed to be as critical of Israel as the Israelis are.  Israel can do wrong, it is rather proficient in perusing pointless dead-end policies and burying its head in sand.  The continued occupation of the West Bank is a running sore on the body politic of Israel.  The settlement policy of the Israel is at best counterproductive and at worst a deep miscarriage of justice.  Exactly what does Israel really gain by plopping 500 extremist settlers in the middle of Hebron anyway? It is like putting a stash of nitroglycerin under your chicken coop and then being shocked when the resulting explosion covers you in egg yolk and  feathers.</p>
<p>It is a good thing that some of Obama&#8217;s advisers favor a tougher stand on Israels.  The unconditional love we have been giving the Israelis needs to be replaced with something smarter. For the last eight years we have suffered through a NeoCon love fest of Israel.  Our policy has out-Likuded Likud; it was W that gave Sharon the push into the disastrous war with Hezbollah in Lebanon. If we are really lucky we might return to the even-handed sanity that used to be our policy pre-W.  You remember  those days when being a friend of Israel meant you were not a sycophant right?</p>
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		<title>By: Snickers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snickers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margaret, yes, I agree.  There&#039;s nothing to stop The One from tossing Hillary under the bus.  However, since she chose to accept this position she might like the view underneath this vehicle.  I am not rejoicing.  Like Israel, I have huge reservations about this administration.  He&#039;s already shown disregard for laws, and probably believes he&#039;s above the Constitution.  I hope SCOTUS will demand his BC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margaret, yes, I agree.  There&#8217;s nothing to stop The One from tossing Hillary under the bus.  However, since she chose to accept this position she might like the view underneath this vehicle.  I am not rejoicing.  Like Israel, I have huge reservations about this administration.  He&#8217;s already shown disregard for laws, and probably believes he&#8217;s above the Constitution.  I hope SCOTUS will demand his BC.</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really -- this is more Clinton-bashing by jealous types who seek only to diminish their great contributions.  Why, with all the wonderful work Pres. Clinton is doing around the world with his foundation, would he want to be a Senator?

Ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really &#8212; this is more Clinton-bashing by jealous types who seek only to diminish their great contributions.  Why, with all the wonderful work Pres. Clinton is doing around the world with his foundation, would he want to be a Senator?</p>
<p>Ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: JozefAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JozefAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one can &quot;drive her out of her Senate seat&quot;.  Hillary was duly ELECTED to that seat and it was HERS to keep until AT LEAST 2012, if that was what she wanted.
That&#039;s what I tried to remind everyone about, earlier in the year--mostly in posts about Hillary&#039;s chances to become Senate Majority leader.  That, in 2012, Hillary would be faced with a decision over fighting to retain her Senate seat OR battling for the Dem Presidential nomination.  (And, yes, even if Obama hasn&#039;t flubbed it up, she COULD have challenged him for the job.  Any Obamabot freaking about it would be forced to shut up with four little words:  Teddy Kennedy in 1980.  The usual action in both major parties is you don&#039;t challenge a seated president who is eligible to run for re-election and intends to do so.  But this is not an absolute,)  I&#039;m not sure what New York law allows with regards to running for more than one elected office in the same election cycle but I don&#039;t think New York politicians can do so.  (IF she wouldn&#039;t have that option, it might have been possible for her to run for the Presidential nomination and win, then give up the Senate race, depending on the final date that New Yorkers would have for contests other than President.  In some states, primaries for races other than President can come well after the final primaries; it&#039;s better for candidates to be positioned to make their bids before June, even if the actual contest doesn&#039;t come until August or September, but not always necessary.  The problem, though, would come in losing the Presidential nomination bid, as many NY Democrats might view such a late Senate re-election bid as a &quot;second choice&quot;.  Of course, many more might not really care about that depending on how well she&#039;d done in the Senate.)
Now, it IS possible that Hillary could have faced a serious challenge from a die-hard Obama supporter in 2012, but that would have been the earliest chance for Hillary to be driven out (and that&#039;s not really being &quot;driven out&quot;).
As it stands, I would remind everyone that Hillary as SoS is not as dark a cloud as it might appear.  While much has been made of her now &quot;serving at Obama&#039;s pleasure&quot;, that is actually a double-edged sword.  IF Obama fires her for any reason that even remotely appears to be a matter of spite or political shenanigans, that puts Hillary back in front as a SOLID political foe.  Colin Powell CHOSE to stay out of the spotlight after he resigned as Dubya&#039;s SoS; Hillary won&#039;t do that, especially if she&#039;s fired.  Being fired before 2010 gives her a shot at running for Schumer&#039;s Senate seat (though unlikely) and being fired before 2012 puts her in a very strong seat for a Presidential bid in 2012.  Even if she &quot;chooses&quot; to resign before 2012, she could still be in a prime position to make a bid for the White House and there won&#039;t be anything that would keep her in the Democratic Party, unless she chooses to do so in order to take back the Democratic Party&#039;s heart and soul--and even failing that, she wouldn&#039;t be under any obligation to stick with the Party (and while she might be under special non-disclosure orders with regards to commercial endeavors, I don&#039;t believe there&#039;s anything that would prevent her from using what she knows about the Obama White House &quot;behind the scenes&quot; in a political battle).
Since Hillary has accepted the SoS position, it&#039;s hers to keep as long as she wants, and Obama would be well advised to not push her around since HIS political fortunes are far more dependent on a happy Hillary than the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one can &#8220;drive her out of her Senate seat&#8221;.  Hillary was duly ELECTED to that seat and it was HERS to keep until AT LEAST 2012, if that was what she wanted.<br />
That&#8217;s what I tried to remind everyone about, earlier in the year&#8211;mostly in posts about Hillary&#8217;s chances to become Senate Majority leader.  That, in 2012, Hillary would be faced with a decision over fighting to retain her Senate seat OR battling for the Dem Presidential nomination.  (And, yes, even if Obama hasn&#8217;t flubbed it up, she COULD have challenged him for the job.  Any Obamabot freaking about it would be forced to shut up with four little words:  Teddy Kennedy in 1980.  The usual action in both major parties is you don&#8217;t challenge a seated president who is eligible to run for re-election and intends to do so.  But this is not an absolute,)  I&#8217;m not sure what New York law allows with regards to running for more than one elected office in the same election cycle but I don&#8217;t think New York politicians can do so.  (IF she wouldn&#8217;t have that option, it might have been possible for her to run for the Presidential nomination and win, then give up the Senate race, depending on the final date that New Yorkers would have for contests other than President.  In some states, primaries for races other than President can come well after the final primaries; it&#8217;s better for candidates to be positioned to make their bids before June, even if the actual contest doesn&#8217;t come until August or September, but not always necessary.  The problem, though, would come in losing the Presidential nomination bid, as many NY Democrats might view such a late Senate re-election bid as a &#8220;second choice&#8221;.  Of course, many more might not really care about that depending on how well she&#8217;d done in the Senate.)<br />
Now, it IS possible that Hillary could have faced a serious challenge from a die-hard Obama supporter in 2012, but that would have been the earliest chance for Hillary to be driven out (and that&#8217;s not really being &#8220;driven out&#8221;).<br />
As it stands, I would remind everyone that Hillary as SoS is not as dark a cloud as it might appear.  While much has been made of her now &#8220;serving at Obama&#8217;s pleasure&#8221;, that is actually a double-edged sword.  IF Obama fires her for any reason that even remotely appears to be a matter of spite or political shenanigans, that puts Hillary back in front as a SOLID political foe.  Colin Powell CHOSE to stay out of the spotlight after he resigned as Dubya&#8217;s SoS; Hillary won&#8217;t do that, especially if she&#8217;s fired.  Being fired before 2010 gives her a shot at running for Schumer&#8217;s Senate seat (though unlikely) and being fired before 2012 puts her in a very strong seat for a Presidential bid in 2012.  Even if she &#8220;chooses&#8221; to resign before 2012, she could still be in a prime position to make a bid for the White House and there won&#8217;t be anything that would keep her in the Democratic Party, unless she chooses to do so in order to take back the Democratic Party&#8217;s heart and soul&#8211;and even failing that, she wouldn&#8217;t be under any obligation to stick with the Party (and while she might be under special non-disclosure orders with regards to commercial endeavors, I don&#8217;t believe there&#8217;s anything that would prevent her from using what she knows about the Obama White House &#8220;behind the scenes&#8221; in a political battle).<br />
Since Hillary has accepted the SoS position, it&#8217;s hers to keep as long as she wants, and Obama would be well advised to not push her around since HIS political fortunes are far more dependent on a happy Hillary than the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Secretary of State or Secretary at War at Hillary Clinton On Best Political Blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Secretary of State or Secretary at War at Hillary Clinton On Best Political Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Secretary of State or Secretary at War &#8230;with hiring people to work for the “monster” and will likely work for Hillary herself. Clearly this is not the choice of Hillary Clinton. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Secretary of State or Secretary at War &#8230;with hiring people to work for the “monster” and will likely work for Hillary herself. Clearly this is not the choice of Hillary Clinton. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From your lips to God&#039;s ears.</description>
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		<title>By: Fredster</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>supposedly as part of the deal Hillary was given free reign in hiring and selections at State.  I can&#039;t believe Power will be at State other than the transition thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>supposedly as part of the deal Hillary was given free reign in hiring and selections at State.  I can&#8217;t believe Power will be at State other than the transition thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome, Steve. Your&#039;s is a very good article.
 And anyone who is an avid fan of &quot;Mad Men&quot; is OK by me! 
re: Samantha Power. I&#039;d be shocked if she and Obama have not been intimate. When she stated that he has a brilliant mind, I read that as &quot;he&#039;s really hung&quot;. Anyway, I say that to say she&#039;s in this for the s-e-x. Hopefully they&#039;ll get caught, which would make day. Other than that, I&#039;m grieving that Hillary is about to become a member of the Obama team. It sickens me.
Thanks, again, Steve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, Steve. Your&#8217;s is a very good article.<br />
 And anyone who is an avid fan of &#8220;Mad Men&#8221; is OK by me!<br />
re: Samantha Power. I&#8217;d be shocked if she and Obama have not been intimate. When she stated that he has a brilliant mind, I read that as &#8220;he&#8217;s really hung&#8221;. Anyway, I say that to say she&#8217;s in this for the s-e-x. Hopefully they&#8217;ll get caught, which would make day. Other than that, I&#8217;m grieving that Hillary is about to become a member of the Obama team. It sickens me.<br />
Thanks, again, Steve.</p>
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		<title>By: epicurious</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Powers messes with Hill - there will be 18 million angry people in the U.S. not to mention a angry foreign diplomats, dignitaries, officials who are close to the Clintons.  It&#039;d be an international incident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Powers messes with Hill &#8211; there will be 18 million angry people in the U.S. not to mention a angry foreign diplomats, dignitaries, officials who are close to the Clintons.  It&#8217;d be an international incident.</p>
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