Comments on: Harvey Milk * A Tribute, A Movie

By: truthisgold

truthisgold — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:53:11 +0000

workingclass, bravo! [brava?] So finely and accurately stated.

By: SaraFan

SaraFan — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:32:40 +0000

Sarah is not pro homo. Take it to the bank. She is a pro family Christian.

By: truthisgold

truthisgold — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:54:26 +0000

SF, I don’t disagree with you–perhaps I gave Penn a bit too much benefit of the doubt there. Like you, I have found few people that knew what we do, and fewer still that cared one way or the other. Your point is well taken with regard to Palin as well–it seems to be a Hollywood thing [not that that's any excuse], with Matt Damon, George Clooney and others parroting the same lines throughout.

By: workingclass artist

workingclass artist — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:51:51 +0000

Interesting article…Artists are required by virtue of vocation to occasionally wander into the minefield of Politics since like Philosophy Art is a political activity…It took me many years to grasp this dictum handed down from a wily professor in my youth…Of course there are subtle degrees…Actors who seek to create and not just interpret cross over from the artisan to the artist…and it can be a lonely road…
Art is not and has never been for the faint hearted…And although the immediately successful ones ( in terms of a conventional idea of success ) often rise because they are either controversial or popular…or a combination of both…it does not mean what they produce is necessarily Great Art which is often many years beyond the culture that produces it and it takes time to analyze beyond the sensational.
Seeking refuge in Great Art is a risky endeavor…For Great Art is meant to provoke and disturb and become a voice in the heart and mind of the audience…indeed…this is the fundamental impetus for it’s creation…Even the “prettiest” Mozart diddly is so powerful as to sweep away and challenge…and awaken a terrible yearning…

By: debate

debate — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:30:12 +0000

I think you will find Sarah Palin, hillary and obama have the same take on homosexuality… and from what I undersand, it certainly isn’t yours!

By: debate

debate — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:26:17 +0000

A findle… you are spot on… too much ‘forgiveness’ at this stage of the game only serves to weaken the prospect of any kind of reform.. its sad really…all the work and energy of the PUMAs apparently being drowned out by a new brand of collective kool aide…

By: SaraFan

SaraFan — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:03:41 +0000

Harvey Milk was a pervert heathen. He fought against all that is right and holy. We need somebody like Sarah who will stand up for America and real Americans. Those who are not seduced by this perversion. Hillary unfortunately has not been an opponent of the homo agenda but I only hope she deep down believes it is evil and subversive to the American way. Sarah 2012.

By: NoQuarter

NoQuarter — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:52:27 +0000

At least on some of his shows he gets some great guests. IT was so cool when I found that video of the economist about whom LD was educating us recently…. Charlie had interviewed him. There are NOT many shows left where such guests get more than 30-60 seconds to say anything! Charlie gives them at the least 20 minutes, which is so great.

God i miss all the conversation shows. and i also miss the third PBS channel I used to get on DISH — probably eliminated to save some money — they showed old PBS shows.

THEN — in the late 1990s on my Seattle cable system, there was a second CBS station that aired ALL of the great old black-and-white CBS greats — from Edward R. Murrow’s great documentaries (including that brilliant one about migrant workers — name anyone?) to Murrow’s interviews and all of David Frost’s interviews, from Richard Nixon to Richard Burton and Liz Taylor. And all of Jackie’s tour of the White House. And Dick Cavett’s interviews. And Jack Parr! oh i love that all.

And I miss Tom Snyder terribly and it makes me ill that NBC locks away all of his great interviews. Dopes. It really upset Tom too. I miss him. I wish he hadn’t died.

Tom and his Color-tini.

– Susan

By: truthisgold

truthisgold — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:44:42 +0000

Yes indeed…going to Montana, gonna be a dental floss tycoon… )

By: NoQuarter

NoQuarter — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:44:06 +0000

I meant to mention that in my section about sexism but it slipped my mind. But if he reads this (fat chance, I realize), I trust he will realize that that was wholly unnecessary.

It is there that he bows to the mob in giving them what they love to hear. If he did that to help sell his movie to the Obamabot mob, I will turn on him. But I don’t think it was that calculcated — it was more that where he lives, Sarah Palin was surely a favored target of condemnation.

Actually, there are some things I condemn her for. But we needn’t get into that here. And, it is undeniable that she can’t carry water for most of the top female political officials in this nation.

His remark is correct in that she is rather ignorant — just like George Bush — but I see in her more possibility.

I remember Doris Kearns Goodwin recalling sitting next to her at a luncheon before her VP nomination, and Goodwin said she was very impressed with the number of books that Sarah Palin had read about Abraham Lincoln.

Now — WHY IN THE HELL her campaign NEVER EXPOSED THAT SIDE OF SARAH is beyond me. IT would have altered how Penn et al. felt about her — they’d never vote for her, but they’d have gotten a truer picture of her.

Still, she has much to learn about contemporary world politics.

Perhaps she can run for U.S. Senator in six years? That will give her a wonderful opportunity to learn more about the world.

By: SFIndie

SFIndie — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:21:15 +0000

truthisgold, I’ve talked to a number of fairly intelligent people, most recently at Thanksgiving dinner, and expressed my views of Obama – things that we know about him, his past, his origins – and finally had to confront a truth. Some of what I said they knew, some of what I said they did not know, but NONE of what I said mattered to them. They did not deny what I said, they did not claim it to be untrue, they simply did not place any value on it. They simply did not care.

I find it hard to believe that Sean Penn, as intelligent as he is, as involved as he is, is not aware of the things we all are.

And, while I don’t disagree that at his core he may very well be a good person, being in the business he’s in I truly doubt that he has trouble “seeing past his own goodness to recognize badness in anyone else”! He certainly didn’t have a problem doing so with Sarah Palin, even if his observations were completely false!

I think Sean Penn needs to be taken down from his pedestal! I guess we’ll agree he’s a great actor. I think we’ll have to disagree that he has no awareness of Obama’s past; I think he knows but it simply has no relevance for him.

By: Hillary or Bust

Hillary or Bust — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:46:08 +0000

Thanks for the explanation. I in no way intended to harass you with my comment – I just feel very strongly that it would be bad for America in the long run if Obama “succeeds” and ends up being lauded as this great Savior of the country, thus encouraging more cult-like thinking and adoration.

I also think America has a lot of excess and some belt-tightening might not be bad for the collective American character. Americans are spoiled with our large-screen TVs and iPods – I don’t want to see people go back to being poor but we should maybe learn to be a bit more frugal and fiscally conservative.

By: rolling_thunder

rolling_thunder — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:41:21 +0000

By: rolling_thunder

rolling_thunder — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:25:11 +0000

Women don’t have deep voices usually. Get used to it!

By: truthisgold

truthisgold — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:23:07 +0000

SF, I agree that Penn is a tremendous actor and most probably a fine person with a great deal of integrity. His craft is incredible to watch–he so surrenders to character as to be nearly unrecognizeable in a part, his voice being the only giveaway. That being said, I truly believe that, as highly intelligent that he is, he simply does not know what we know and believe to be true about BO, his past and his origins. Like many good people, who have difficulty seeing past their own goodness to recognize badness in others, I truly believe that he simply has not been privy to all the information on BO and all the difficulties suffered by many both here at NQ and elsewhere during the course of this selection campaign. I will not stop watching his films because we disagree on politics, nor will I change my beliefs based upon what I believe to be true about Obama.

We all agree some of the time, we all disagree some of the time, but hopefully, not all at once, all of the time!