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Obama’s Second Bite at the Apple

By Larry Johnson on November 7, 2012 at 6:18 PM in Current Affairs

Not going to spend anytime trying to explain the decisions of the morons who voted for Obama. If he had an actual record of positive accomplishment, I could buy it. But he does not and, during his first term, proved remarkably uninterested in the task of governing and actually being President.

So now comes the fiscal cliff. In case you’ve been hiding in a cave, here’s the definition and explanation:

“Fiscal cliff” is the popular shorthand term used to describe the conundrum that the U.S. government will face at the end of 2012, when the terms of the Budget Control Act of 2011 are scheduled to go into effect.

Among the laws set to change at midnight on December 31, 2012, are the end of last year’s temporary payroll tax cuts (resulting in a 2% tax increase for workers), the end of certain tax breaks for businesses, shifts in the alternative minimum tax that would take a larger bite, the end of the tax cuts from 2001-2003, and the beginning of taxes related to President Obama’s health care law. At the same time, the spending cuts agreed upon as part of the debt ceiling deal of 2011 will begin to go into effect. According to Barron’s, over 1,000 government programs – including the defense budget and Medicare are in line for “deep, automatic cuts.”

If our national economy was purring along at a 4% growth rate, this cliff might not be so terrifying. But we are not.

The economy is barely growing and the job growth is stagnant (i.e., it is barely keeping pace with population growth). Here’s what you do not know–the defense giants ringing the beltway (actually, the Dulles toll road) are already laying off employees and contractors. At least 1000 have gotten the bad news in the past four weeks. Those layoffs will accelerate in the coming weeks. The Defense contractors are obligated to let people go if they don’t have the guaranteed cash to keep them fully employed.. This will have a cascading effect on business activity in Northern Virginia.

So what will Barky do? He pissed away the last deal. Bob Woodward described that fiasco in detail. But now, he has a chance to redeem himself. Will he? Does he have the smarts to forge a genuine compromise that will win significant Republican support or is he still on his revenge kick?

The Stock market is quite nervous about the likelihood that a deal will collapse and the higher taxes and budget cuts will kick in. That will ensure a major financial crisis. So here is the first test of Obama’s second term–is he a uniter?

DDDDSSSS

I was thinking the same thing this morning. Does he see this as a gift and make adjustments or does he dig in his heels, adjust his smirk and get back to golf, basketball, vacations and blaming Republicans?

I wish it would be the former, but judging from his actions since he’s been in public office, I wouldn’t bet on anything but the latter.
http://twitter.com/dbostan Dan Bostan

Obama was and still is a revolutionary marxist of trotzkyite variety.
That should tell you everything.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

Obama, the Saul Alinsky disciple that he is, will not compromise. He is a rigid ideologue and will not back off his Marxist ideology. Where in his first term did he give any evidence that he had any interest in working with Republicans to actually help this nation?

Compromise doesn’t jive with a desire to fundamentally transform America. We are in for a world of hurt, economically speaking. It’s gonna be rough…. but this is what half of Americans asked for.
Theymustbemorons

Is there any evidence that he is a uniter? Is he capable of making a deal that includes compromise? Can anyone trust him to do so after he “pissed away the last deal?” Does he have a practical bone in his body? The morons who voted for him this time around don’t even care if they or their children will have a job and the ability to support themselves. And still they voted for him in a very, very unkind economic environment.

I don’t have much hope that Mr. Obama will change. As for the house leadership, after seeing how the Benghazi incident and the Solyndra et al fiascos have been placed in a quiet room, I wonder if any of the corruption of this administration will ever be prosecuted. I think they will all — democrats and republicans — continue to give each other cover, keep their places on their fave beltway bar stools, and do their best to let this country rot.

By the way Mr. J, thank you again and again for putting the spotlight on the bigger issues, the issues that affect all of us. Thank you for your honesty and your clarity and your service.

mgm

“I think they will all — democrats and republicans — continue to give each other cover…”

Of course they will unless the quaint idea of a free and independent press can somehow be resurrected.

Fred82

Larry,

In all fairness, let us acknowledge that the Republicans did a lot to lose this election themselves.

Our economy is in very bad shape.

Our foreign policy is at a critical juncture.

And what are the most important issues to certain Republicans out there? Abortion and gay marriage.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

Most Republicans who weren’t Akin and Murdock were talking about the economy. It was the Democrats that tried to focus on social issues, to divert attention from Obama’s miserable economy. That’s why they fabricated this so called “war on women”. Don’t fall for it.

Fred82

I agree that many Republicans were focused on the economy vice pointless social issues.

I also agree that the Democrats tried to focus on non existent social issues and create manufactured crises. The Sandra Fluke thing was total BS and showcased what is wrong with today’s society.

On the other hand, Akin and Murdock gave the Dems plenty of real ammunition and turned off many potential voters. At the same time, while guys like Akin and Murdock may not be representative of the Republican party, they are not the only ones of their kind within the Republican party.

The Republicans need a Reagan or a Goldwater IMHO.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

I fully agree with you Fred. The thing is, idiots like Akin got WAY more attention than they deserved. Heck, last week Senator Bob Menendez (D) from NJ won re-election after he got caught with Dominican prostitutes. Dems can get away with anything, it barely gets reported.

Seems to me the guys on the left are the ones treating women poorly!

Fred82

Well, I have generally found the Lefties to be the worst when it comes to racism and sexism. It’s almost as if they play the role of champions of tolerance and diversity as a means of whitewashing their own prejudices.

I think one thing that may have been working against the Repubs was that in 2006 and 2008, the Dems were running more conservative candidates to appeal to moderate voters. Unfortunately, the more conservative Dems ended up getting trampled on by the Leftist base of the party vice pulling the Democrats back towards some semblance of sanity.

I think some voters may have seen the same thing being possible with the Republicans.
MissMalevolent

“Brian Banks, who’s been convicted eight times for felonies involving bad checks and credit card fraud, won a seat representing the east side of Detroit, Harper Woods, and the tony Grosse Pointes, CBS Detroit reports..

Banks, 35, was convicted eight times between 1998 and 2004 of writing bad checks and credit card fraud. His slogan was “You can Bank on Banks.”

People don’t care about crooks and liars, they want to be lied to. And if and when this clown breaks another law while holding the seat, the same folks that voted him in, will be the same folks bitching and moaning about corrupt politicians. Americans today have no intellectual curiosity about anything. They just follow the herd. Cause that’s easier than thinking for yourself.

piattq

The Republican primaries are a case in point of shooting yourself in the foot and the toosh. Another was the failure of Repubs to follow the lead of George Bush 2 on immigration reform—he (thru Rove I am sure) saw that the Repubs had to reach out to Hispanics 1 because they are a large and growing voter group and 2 because their culture makes the Repub party a natural affiliation.

Fred82

I agree.

Romney was the by far the best option available in this election.

However, two of the Republican candidates during the primaries were…..

Rick Santorum: An individual that seems to think gay marriage and abortion are important issues.

Newt Gingrich: The quintessential Washington insider that made his fame and fortune off of his time in DC.

Now Mitt Romney was clearly not either of these two individuals. However, running on the Republican ticket, it would be difficult for independent voters to not link Romney with these two well known Republicans.

mgm

Absolutely right, Fred. Much of this election was lost by Republicans during the primaries and the ludicrously low quality of some of the candidates they allowed to monopolize the news and set the agenda.
Did Herman Kane really have a shot at the nomination? Of course not…but he made a hell of a lot of bad news for Republicans. Gingrich made a mockery of the party that’s supposed to stand for famly values. And Santorum daily reinforced what most independent women feared about Republicans.
By the time the party recovered its wits, it was too late. Romney was saddled with all the ridicule and contempt that the others had amassed. Romney was too good for his party and this country. And it’s a damn shame! He would have made a magnificent president.
piattq

The sex issues are killing Repubs. They need to get out of the sex briar patch. The problem is Bush 2 used the pro-life issue to get elected. Then along came 9/11 and security trumped that issue. Bush overplayed that hand in Iraq and now the Repubs are paying for it. Romney found Benghazi—a legitimate security issue—was kryptonite. But I think the Repubs have a strong hand on the economy. The defense of taxes for “millionaires/billionaires” never worked for them—their messaging on that point let Obama run wild. But I still can’t believe that the Repub voter turn out was so low—does not see correct. Thanks for your comments. piattq

jrterrier

Rubio was working on a bipartisan compromise & when Obama got wind of it, he came out with the Dream Act executive order.

piattq

BTW I think Romney was a Reagan but the Repub tribes spent most of this presidential election cycle bashing him to bits. They were fully enabled by the conservative pundits at the Weekly Std and the WSJ (just to name 2 or many). Great teamwork.

jrterrier

i agree with you.

jrterrier

Someone commented the other day that Goldwater’s run allowed the DEMS to take over the presidency & both houses of congress, which then brought a lot of the fed programs which we now complain about.

Fred82

True, but that was a different era and I tend to believe that Goldwater was a victim of some of the same tactics that Romney faced.

I like Goldwater as a Republican in the sense that he was strong on national defense and pro-civil liberties at the same time.

He also was anything but a partisan hack or cheerleader. He would give credit to opponents when they deserved and take on his own party when it was necessary.

jrterrier

I agree on Goldwater’s politics. And he was an honest man — what a novel idea for today’s politicians.

beachnan

I think Romney did a great job. He was fighting the Obama machine and the main stream media, that went out of it’s way to magnify anything Romney did that they perceived as wrong, and minimized everything that Obama did wrong-Benghazi, etc.

jrterrier

(and don’t forget that for most of the campaign he was also fighting the conservative blogosphere, which thought they knew better)

jrterrier

Our economy is in very bad shape? really. didn’t you get the bulletin from pravda? the economy is improving; we created nearly 170,000 jobs last month (of course a number of them were p/t and the rest were on the Obama for President committee but who cares).

on foreign policy, Obama killed Osama (he actually went to Pakistan himself and used a knife to slit his throat). and the killing of our ambassador didn’t even happen, Fox news made that up.

http://www.facebook.com/mary.cusack Mary Cusack

The faster the revolution comes the better. I’d like to see him get the mussolini treatment myself.

skinny_malinky

What do you mean by “the mussolini treatment”?

http://www.facebook.com/mary.cusack Mary Cusack

you’re an obama voter, your so bright and intellegent…use your google and figure it out.

TeakWoodKite

It had to ask. Sad.

win43

So, NQ is cool with open calls for treason, now?

Seriously, everybody here is okay with this?

HObama HObamanana

It’s really none of your business what those of us here think, or what is cool with us. You are not welcome here. You are only here to create problems and harass people like you have always done. Just leave.

skinny_malinky

Geez, Larry, do you ever get tired of being wrong? What happened to “Why Romney is Going to Win”? Or the double dip recession that you, as one of the country’s leading economists, predicted was imminent? Or that other thing that you’re even more touchy about, involving a certain phantom recording? And you also seem to think sequestration is Obama’s fault, which is plainly untrue.

Maybe you’re so used to being wrong it doesn’t even matter to you anymore. You certainly don’t seem to be interested in getting things right.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

How would Larry possibly know that so many Americans wanted to double down on failure? All the polls indicated that while it would be close, most Americans still valued economic liberty and limited government. He had know way of knowing we’d already reached the tipping point where the takers are in the majority.

skinny_malinky

The polls indicated the Obama was going to win. Anyone who was rational and actually paid attention without falling back on rational thinking saw that Obama had a slim but clear overall polling age, and a decisive lead in the electoral college. I personally predicted that Obama would win 327 electoral college votes. Looks like I undershot.

Cocotrini

I must be dumb, because I honestly thought with a 7.9% rating, a bad housing market, college grads that cant find jobs, raising cost of living, high gas prices, Libya, and so on that Americans would not want to keep this man in office, guess I was wrong and I was not making a prediction just going on my gut feeling from what I was hearing and seeing.

skinny_malinky

Yup, that’s how bad a candidate Romney was. Even with all that going against Obama, Romney couldn’t beat him,

Bill O’Reilly

I don’t think it was all about Romney. I think there are a lot of people that think Obama is doing a good job. His approval ratings have rarely dipped below the high 40% and are currently close to 50%. Both Clinton and Reagan had far lower approval ratings at times in their first term.

Bill O’Reilly

The majority of Americans do not blame Obama for the bad economy. Most who are honest realize that he was handed a bad economy in 2009 and that it takes time to recover from the worst recession since The Great Depression. That is what the polls were saying. They are giving him time to finish the job.

The 7.9% unemployment rate was very comparable to the 7.3% rate when Reagan was re-elected, especially given all the government employee lay-offs that have occured in the last couple of years is considered.
win43

Yep, pretty much.

http://www.facebook.com/margaret.maree Margaret Maree

That’s right, Ryan. Unlike negative, nasty skanky malingerer, who like his hero Soetoro actually loathes people, we had more faith in fellow citizens’ intelligence and morality. We were too generous, perhaps, but at least our hearts and brains aren’t cold, calcified and calculating.

piattq

The sequestration was a WH proposal, contrary to statement from the O election lying machine.
getfitnow

In another time, the “adults” of America were patriotic,
optimistic, moral, and had a common set of basic values. They would
have elected Mitt Romney proudly because he represents the best of us. Notice, I didn’t say perfect.

We didn’t elect Mitt Romney yesterday, imo, because we now think the best of us is some mumbling NBA forward, Holly-weird celebritard, snarky Saturday Night Live comedian or vile rapper with a gutter vocabulary. We didn’t elect him because we have become, through pop culture and demographics, a second, dare I say third, rate nation.

piattq

There is no way Barack is going to compromise. He wants that tax on the 250k+ best he might accept is putting the tax on million+. Repubs will have to agree to it or take the US over that cliff. As part of that fiscal cliff Larry there is also the issue of raising the debt ceiling. Perfect storm.
skinny_malinky

What a great night last night. I got together with some of my Hollywood liberal friends (including a couple of recovering addicts, a single mom, a couple of gay guys, and a couple of muck raking journalists) to play some poker and watch the returns come in.

We were all stressed (except for the libertarian in the group). We all thought Obama was going to win, but Romney supporters were so confident that even though it didn’t make sense, we still were sweating the results.

It made for some distracted poker, but it didn’t take long for the election to start looking good. Looking back, the first good sign was New Hampshire going to Obama, but it’s so small it was hard to feel too comfortable. We were all happy Elizabeth Warren won, however secondary that may have been. But the counts looked good in Ohio. Virginia didn’t look good at first, but then Obama started creeping up.

And then everything started falling into place. When all the networks called Ohio for Obama, there were hugs and high-fives all around. I was nervous, though, because the count was still so close and I still remembered Gore in 2000. But finally I was able to take a deep breath and celebrate that Barack Obama was going to be reelected.

I still had to sweat the propositions, which were even more more important to my household. It didn’t look good for Prop 30 for a looooong time, but then that started ticking up too. Prop 32 failing was just the icing on the cake. Hell I even won a (very) little in the poker game, despite not playing very well.

I think this is probably going to be my last visit to this God forsaken website. I came here because I think it’s important to hear what the other side is saying, Now it’s just become place for people to spew hate and promote baseless conspiracy theories. Larry may know security issues, but he thinks he’s a political operative and an economist; the evidence shows how wrong he is.

And now this place is officially irrelevant. Go ahead, rant about Obama. A fat lot of good it did you before, and it sure isn’t going to do anything now. And I’m sure in 2016, whoever becomes the favorite of this site will lose that election too. There are better places to find actual, intelligent writing by people who disagree with me. I’m sure most visitors will drift away from here, and hopefully there won’t be anyone left to read any of the BS.

I hope most of you stop hating, because it can’t make you happy to be this angry all the time. But considering how irrational most of the posters here are, I doubt many of you even want to be happy.

Oh, and just to clarify, I’ll post again if I feel the need to defend myself. If you don’t want to hear from me again, just ignore me. Then I’ll have no reason to come back.

FormerLib160

Go Fuck Yourself

Is that simple enough

skinny_malinky

Stay classy, No Quarter.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Holley/550626733 Ryan Holley

Thanks for voting for tyranny! Your vote cost me liberty. Thanks again.

win43

No, it didn’t.

buzzlatte3

Then I want you to buy my medical insurance. I’m not asking. I’m telling. What? You don’t want me to impinge upon the liberty of you controlling your own bank acct? Tough. You bought it you can pay for me, too. NOW!

win43

You’re equating the existence of taxation with tyranny, which is just idiotic. Literally. You’re a gibbering idiot.

wylrae

Please be so kind as to clarify for those of us who obviously don’t understand, what tyranny is or is not. Must tyranny exist only under an individual or can it exist under a government? Can tyrannical actions only be taken by an individual or can a government also take such actions? Can a government’s use of its taxing policies not be tyrannical? I have always though tryanny was in some way related to oppression. Can taxation not also be oppressive?
buzzlatte3

No, merely reflecting the entitlement mentality back to you. But, you’re too unwise to get it. Ego doesn’t equate intellect. And you are a prime example of that.
Hokma

Actually the founders did equate taxation with tyranny. I guess you did not make that class.

HObama HObamanana

Go fuck yourself skinny Obot!

Bill O’Reilly

A very well written piece on here for once.
HObama HObamanana

Please, may this really be your last visit here. You and your kind are an abomination. Take all of your “friends” with you.
HObama HObamanana

But before you leave, please let us know where you hang out so we can return the favor of being a total ass to you in someplace we would never hangout normally. I’m sure your friends there will appreciate it.
vinnie winkel

Why don’t you go and get ready for the Hillary & Elizabeth Warren 2016 run. If you get laid off from your part time job, don’t forget to stare lovingly at the Obama poster that hangs in your room.
MissMalevolent

LOL, the more things change the more they sound the same. It’s like it’s 2004 all over again and I’m listening to some Bushie explain what a great uniter not divider our President is…and his heart is in the right place, and his policies will work.

What’s the phrase, you “don’t know shit from shinola”?

I suspect, and given how rabid his supporters continue to be, just like the Bushies of 2004 (WE WON YOU LOST GET OVER IT!) that people ONCE AGAIN are going to think that 50% of the vote is a mandate. Hell, Harry Reid already let that fall from his lips. Thus I expect, since Obama at all time is a narcissistic egosist, that he will use the same “political capital” that Bush Jr. crowed about at the start of his second term. Obama, no matter how many Clintonites want to believe Bill and Hillary,is not a pragmatist like Bill and Hillary. And this man is going to overreach. Why not? He doesn’t have to run again, and as we’ve seen time and again, he doesn’t give a shit about being a king maker like Clinton…he just cares about his own legacy. He will overreach and in doing so, destroy the Democrat Party just like Bush destroyed the Republicans.

Now, my 3rd Party heart, leaps at glee for this prospect…cause just like the centrist conservatives who have continued to stay away from Republicans and are disillusioned…so will the centrist liberals (who aren’t whack job America haters) are going to be fully disillusioned to what the Democrat party will become…and so…will look for alternatives.

I don’t delude myself that it will happen in the next election cycle…but it’s going to happen really soon…after 22 years of waiting for a legit rise of a 3rd Party candidate, I can see it on the horizon. And it will all be thanks to Obama and Bush Jr. It’s amazing that I could find something positive about those incompetent idiots…but there it is. Oh and welcome back to commenting…that was a fast bow out and return. It’s like Amanda Bynes quitting acting and then returning…she’s a drunken drugged out mess though…but I’m sure you’re not.
TexMexSoup

if anyone is forsaken it is you. You just can’t wait to take the mark of the beast can’t you? Burn in fucking hell like you deserve. Your war on God is your eternal damnation.
http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

Buh bye! Don’t let the door hit your butt on the way out! And BTW, it makes sense you live in Hollywood. Used to live in LA…total Obot brainwashing zone there. You claim you want to “hear” the other side but you are so tone deaf you wouldn’t know truth if it bit you on the ass.
Hokma

Now I know you are a liar – - – - you have no friends.
randi

So, you made it a point to came here just to say mean things and you call the posters here ‘hateful’???? They did not seek you out, Do some soul-searching. You are filled with hate and are not even aware. Now, as to those VA numbers..they are not adding up…don’t get too comfortable. Someone may notice ……

Bill O’Reilly

Paul Ryan not only could not carry Wisconsin, but he could not even carry his own local county of Janesville. His own hometown voted for Obama/Biden.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/in-ryans-hometown-the-calm-that-follows-defeat/

Back to the fear-mongerin Larry Johnson. Funny that most of the commentary today says there is a very good chance or even a better chance now that the President and Congress will reach some kind of agreement on the “fiscal cliff”.

By the way it was the Tea Party House and their putting the gun to the head of America with the debt ceiling vote that is the reason for the “fiscal cliff” in the first place.

Actually job growth has recently been accelerating and we are growing at a fairly normal historic U.S. growth rate of 2.0%.
About time we cut the military budget. About time the industrial military complex is cut down to size. Since there has not even been any cuts to the military budget yet could it be that exiting the Iraq War and drawing down in Afghanistan has reduced demand in the defense industry. Hopefully your taxpayer pay check will also be cut down to size.
If you were watching CNBC today you would know there were three reasons the stock market was down today: 1) comments out of Europe, 2) Apple was down, and 3) the election caused stocks in the HMO, coal and a few other industries to go down. There is no proof that the stock market was down just because of the election. What will you say when the stock market is up tomorrow or the next day? The stock market has done very very well under Obama.
HoosierinDixie

I am not holding out much hope for any serious compromises Larry. Today’s stock market nosedive and predictions from Europe that they are sure to slip into recession should serve as a wake up call that the clock is running out. I think Obama’s biggest problem will prove not to be the Republicans but Harry Reid.The Reps have made an offer to consider some tax increases while old Harry is claiming a mandate to automatically raise taxes and change senate rules regarding filibusters that will only benefit the Dems. If Obama was smart and really interested in fixing this mess he should be working behind the scenes to have old Harry gracefully removed from the leadership position.

HObama HObamanana

I can guarantee you that if Harry Reid takes the actions he is proposing in the Senate he will find that the House Of Representatives is an unwilling partner in heresy.

getfitnow

If he does, the GOP should take a page out of That One’s playbook, not block the dem agenda but
vote ”present” on every thing they want to pass. Let them own, completely own, the oncoming disaster. They will have no one to
accuse of ”obstructionism”-”oh we could have done this, and this, if
not for the republicans…blah blah blah.” Let them OWN it!

HObama HObamanana

I would prefer that they fight the good fight, win or lose. If they don’t, we are truly doomed. I don’t give a damn what blah, blah blah comes out of ANY Dimwit mouth.

getfitnow

I think I actually will agree with you when I come out of this shock:) I’m really angry right now, and I don’t like it.

HObama HObamanana

I’ve thought about being angry. But I know what happened to me physically and emotionally bioth during and after the 2008 election so I’ve decided to chill as much as possible for the sake of my health.

I don’t like what has happened. A lot of it doesn’t make any rational sense to me. When I see long lines of voters that never existed before, during any election, and then find out that actually fewer people voted I can’t fight that. I know what I saw, what I experienced and I have the documentation of what was actually reported. It doesn’t add up. And the Republican party doesn’t seem too concerned with any of it which only makes me even more apathetic. Not a single reporter has mentioned it. On any network.

I’m beginning to wonder if our country has already been transformed, that we have been defeated from the inside. That neither political party truly represents our Constitution any longer. That it’s all smoke and mirrors. So that when we are focused on the danger one party is bringing the other does it’s dirty deeds behind our backs while we aren’t looking. And they are both in on it. I haven’t quite reached the point where I feel this way, but I am starting to question all of it.

HObama HObamanana

I was watching Maria Bartiromo’s show, Closing Bell, today when they cut to John Boehner addressing the nation and Obama. He held out a hand to Obama and offered to work with him to avoid the fiscal cliff. He named the lines in the sand he would not cross and the actions he was unwilling to take. And, most importantly, he asked Obama to lead. Not as a Democrat, but as a President.

I don’t think that Boehner’s speech hurt anything. The DOW was down all day and most of this was attributed to disappointment that Romney was not elected. Every single commentator seemed to mention that fact. And if I may, let me remind you that this was CNBC, not FOX. But Boehner’s speech didn’t help matters either. When he started speaking the DOW had lost 250 points and at close (about a half hour later) it had lost 312.

I want Barack Obama to lead and to do good things for our country. Not because I like him or agree with anything the asshole socialist prick says or does. If he doesn’t, we are headed for a Depression and maybe something worse. Much worse.

Is he up to the challenge? Will he accept the responsibility of his elected position and do what history requires of him? Or will he give us more of the same and continue to blame others while our country and our children’s future go straight to hell? Only time will tell.

TeakWoodKite

What one wants and what one gets.
getfitnow

Billions of $$ sitting on sidelines, waiting for a President Romney to unleash the economy, are looking elsewhere for a new home.

Bill O’Reilly

Paul Ryan not only could not carry Wisconsin, but he could not even carry his own local county of Janesville. His own hometown voted for Obama/Biden.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/in-ryans-hometown-the-calm-that-follows-defeat/

Back to the fear-mongering Larry Johnson. Funny that most of the commentary today by people who actually know what they are talking about says there is a very good chance or even a better chance now with Obama re-election that the President and Congress will reach some kind of agreement on the “fiscal cliff”.

By the way it was the Tea Party House and their putting the gun to the head of America with the debt ceiling vote that is the reason for the “fiscal cliff” in the first place. Blame your own party.

Actually job growth has recently been accelerating and we are growing at the fairly normal historic U.S. growth rate of about 2.0%. The U.S. is currently the fast growing Western industrialized country.

About time we cut the military budget. About time the industrial military complex is cut down to size.

Since there has not even been any cuts to the military budget yet could it be that exiting the Iraq War and drawing down in Afghanistan has reduced demand in the defense industry. Hopefully your military/security contractor taxpayer pay check will also be cut down to size.

If you were watching CNBC today you would know there were three reasons the stock market was down today: 1) comments out of Europe, 2) Apple was down, and 3) the election caused stocks in the HMO, coal and a few other industries to go down. There is no proof that the stock market was down just because of the election. What will you say when the stock market is up tomorrow or the next day? The stock market has done very very well under Obama.

Bill O’Reilly

Back to censorship. So sad.

no_longer_a_democrat

I wonder who Soetero is going to take revenge against?

He did say “vote for revenge”, he never said against what or who.

We shall see. The man is a vindictive PO$. I have no hopes he’ll change. My boss already said there will be no hiring and there will be cuts, he’s just trying to postpone it until after Christmas.

I don’t just blame the Soetero clown, but all the idiots who voted for him. I will have no sympathy when the real chit hits the fiscal fan. No job, no money, no future, and they can bitch and moan all they want, I’m not donating to any charities this time around, survival for the next 4 years is the name of the game.

If Obots want to complain, go complain to your overlord Barry. I frankly don’t give a crap about any Obot complaining about anything, you idiots voted for him, now live with the misery coming with that consequential vote.

TexMexSoup

I’m fairly confident his revenge is on God. We are definitely going over the cliff, fiscally and spiritually.
getfitnow

God help us. Even as the lamest of ducks he can do plenty of mischief.
antielitist

3 of 10 eligible voters put the pos in office

Here is some math the establishment hopes you never do. Take the popular
vote the newly elected president received, and see what percent of
voter turnout it actually makes up. You will find that out of all
eligible voters, the president is put into power with only between
25-35%.

randi

If eligible voters don’t vote they don’t want to be counted . The reported numbers so far show that more than half of the people that did vote, chose him. Are you saying that equals 25-35% of eligible voters? Makes sense as 60 something is the turnout percentage.

jayhg

Who is Sotero???

DianaLC

I am too darned depressed to say much except to whine.

I keeping up with payments, but I owe far more than I usually like to owe. My son who has been hanging in on by taking temp and part-time jobs never has enough to cover gas or things like haircuts, etc., to go for interviews. His girlfriend is still working but her bonuses are not so high (she’s customer service) in this bad economy. So Mom (me) has be extending my budget to help when I can. My church just ran out of it’s funds for emergencies because monthly offerings are down, and the sewer pipes in the fairly old building just went kaput. So we all need to pull together to get that fixed.

I’m working a two and a half week temp job to help bring down some of all my extra expenses that I have from helping others. I have not purchased clothing since I quit working three years ago, and I’m starting to look pretty ragged. BUT……I’m going to let the morons who voted for O. I just sent one of my animal charities a note that they won’t be receiving a dnation from me because I will be sending it to a different animal charity that didn’t come out in support for O in ’08. I just told the local rag that endorced Obama that i will no renew–that saves a litle.

I’ve also decided that I will not do most of the usual Christmas giving, and to my obot family members I will explain why I am cutting back—to prepare for the cliff.

That should not help the usual enterises that I order from for gift-giving, but I can’t help it.

One thing I will NOT do is expect to see any leadership from that brand in the WH.

It’s everyone for themselves now as far as I can tell. My partner and I are seriously trying to figure out where to move or how to sell off things for maximum amounts and put our stuff into a place where O’s minions can’t find it. I wil help friends but not obot friends.

no_longer_a_democrat

I used to get some items from Harry and David and Smithfield for thanksgiving and Christmas, its not happening this year.
I’ll just cook smaller meals and whatever is on sale at my local grocery

I agree with you completely, prepare. The obots can fed for themselves, or do what they do best, blame Bush. Its coming, and there is no way around it.
Stopthemadness

Diana- I agree completely..’it’s everyone for themselves now.’ I hope your son snags a full-time position soon. I told my daughter last night, the philanthropy in this household gets cut. The majority voted me, me, me last night and now I am gonna live for me, me, me. I am sad it has come to this, but I won’t feel great guilt. I will always be there for my loved ones, but the freeze is on for now on the contribution/donation front.

DianaLC

I don’t know how sad it would be to have obots in my house. At least my son and his girlfriend took a hard look at her loser stepfather, the ex meth user who can’t get disability and can’t get a job because he looks like someone from a horror show with his meth damaged teeth and his big fat ass from sitting around all day and who is a screaming obot. That was enough for them to come ask me about Mitt and decide to vote for him.
randi

I came to a similar conclusion back in 2002 or so. We are such a wealthy nation. We do collect taxes and we do fund many social programs. We have so many charitable organizations, churches and community efforts. And businesses that donate goods and services. Yet, for every disaster, we citizens are also asked to donate for that specific disaster. Today, my facebook friends are asking me to support two efforts for NJ/NY – one is collecting socks and one is collecting blankets. I have a great deal of sympathy for the people that are hurting and are cold. I want them to get what they need and I support using tax dollars to ensure they are fed and dry and warm and safe. Yet, we do need to question why our existing agencies, charities and churches etc.. are unable to provide sox and blankets. IMHO, this is not about money – it’s about poor management of resources and lack of common sense. So, my solution has been to donate directly to people in need or small on-the-ground grassroot organizations in affected areas.

HObama HObamanana

I assume that you are aware that the feds closed several FEMA offices due to the nor’ easter.

beachnan

The election is over. That explains it. Photo-op check, win election check, screw the northeast, check.

elizabethrc

With historic high salaried executives running many of the charitiy organizations, I lost faith in their efforts a long time ago.
Your plan to give direct assistance is laudable and an assurance that the goods will get to the right people. No syphoning off of a dime.

elizabethrc

I’m not laughing quite so hard at the survivalists now. I’m not necessarily going to buy a ten year supply of toilet paper as one has said he’s done, but, given that it’s inevitable that food prices soar along with everything else, I plan to do some stocking up, myself.
This country is going to explode, one way or another, and the only pleasure I’ll get out of it is that those morons who voted for Obama will be suffering just as much as we are. It’s small comfort, to be sure.

win43

So, in four years, when the country hasn’t “exploded” (not even a little bit), will you remember this prediction? And the next time a Democrat — maybe even a fairly liberal Democrat, like Obama! — is elected President, will you remember that your side losing an election is not tantamount to an existential threat to the country?

Or are you just going, periodically for the rest of your life, to lose your fucking mind and say crazy things because a politician you don’t like got elected?

elizabethrc

My, my, touched a nerve, did I? Obviously, you are so simpleminded that you want to reduce everything to “because a politician I don’t like got elected?”
I hope that you are right that the country will not explode, but given that you so clearly voted for Obama, your predictions bear as little weight as your intellect encompasses.
It is not losing an election that is ‘tantamount to an existential threat to the country”. It is Obama’s policies, wrong decisions, cowardice and singleminded goal to circumvent the Constitution at will and turn this country away from being a democratic republic to something more like European socialist country are. That’s sure worked out well for them, hasn’t it?

win43

Okay, forget “explode,” which was your word, not mine.

In four years, when the country’s not Greece and the Constitution is just fine, thanks — THEN will you remember this little bout of hyperventilation?

randi

“…this little bout of hyperventilation.” This is an example of using Ridicule. Right out of the Saul D. Alinsky rule book. RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense.
It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point
to force the enemy into concessions.

You hope to just make Elizabeth so infuriated that she responds. I hope she just ignores you (and other paid trolls).

HObama HObamanana

Bronwyn should put a cease and desist order out on this and other Obots that have no other desire but to harass and taunt. There should be a limit on how much BS we have to put up with. I have nothing against opposing views as long as they are sensible and respectful. This Obot, as well as the rest of their horde, are talking down to and ridiculing those of us that come to share information and insight. Enough is quite enough.
elizabethrc

Thanks for your words of support, Randi. A wise old friend used to tell me that “I know what I know” and from that, one needs no defense. The more secure one is with their premise, the less effective the blathering of others becomes.
It is going to take far more than this person to make my emotional level rise to ‘infuriated’. I’ll save that for more worthwhile arguments than Win’s.

elizabethrc

You do have a need to use inflamatory words to denegrate legitimate concerns. Those concerns are based on Obama’s only known history – the last four years, which have been demonstrably a disaster for the country. Hyperventilate? That, my friend is not the half of the reactions you, as well as the rest of us will experience if Obama continues the course he’s been on during his first term.
Ridicule if you will, but it has no bearing on the seriousness of the problem.

TeakWoodKite

If a soul found set adrift at sea, would you not have mercy on the wretched floatsom?
If it’s to be mutiny then set them adrift….

An endless tide of insanity.

getfitnow

Yes.This expresses my feelings too.

*********************

When I look at you America,
what I see

Is a country that once belonged to me

And even though that melody plays on, you’re gone

When I look at you, America is standing there

I can almost breathe you in like summer in the air

When I look at you, America is touching me

I would reach for you, but who can hold a memory?

Did I create a dream?

Was America a fantasy?

Even a memory is paradise for all the fools like me

Now, remembering is all that I can do

Because I miss America so, when I look at you.

TeakWoodKite

“Alice was beginning to get very tired of sitting by her sister on the bank, and of having nothing to do: once or twice she had peeped into the book her sister was reading, but it had no pictures or conversations in it, `and what is the use of a book,’ thought Alice `without pictures or conversation?”

DianaLC

I get a little defensive about the seeming anti-Christian attitude of the hubris from the obot Dems. So I thought I’d just defend my church donations by saying that if my church keeps losing funds it may become impossible to continue running the food bank it runs for this part of our county. We serve at least 300 people a month. That’s labor and much of the food donations coming from Christian people with little of others’ tax dollars supporting it.

stodghie

diana there is no reason for you to have to explain or defend your donations to your church. any questions about it from obots is offensive and rude.

kinthenorthwest

Too many are in this boat these years…5 years ago I knew I could hang on until full retirement and make it with retirement.

Now I’m not sure I can hang on financially, but I am also not sure I can make it with retirement even if it my full SS.

I wake up each morning thankful for another day..I go to sleep praying that I will still be thankful for the crazy job I do have, and other necessities needed to just substain.
Today I could not help but think about those in the northeast and the snowstorm. One week ago Obama visited yet were things any better than Katrina??? NOT REALLY…..Many got mad because so many knew what it was a Photo Op.
So Today I pray that these people get the relief they need and deserve.
Theymustbemorons

I don’t hear any whining from you. I think you’re brave. You’re showing American strength. And you’re not alone.
Mary Stanfield

Funny that you are on here constantly complaining about the Democratic party and Obama and now you are complaining about your own economic situation. Sounds like you are looking for government to solve your own economic problems. That is NOT very “conservative”/Republican of you. Are you currently getting any government assistance (medicare for example)? Are you one of Romney’s 47%?

DianaLC

You must have zilch in the way of insight. I said that I am keeping up with my bills. I said that my son who lost a job in O’s incredibly stagnant economy is hanging on by slim margins and with some of my help doing part-time, and temp jobs RATHER THAN ASK FOR UNEMPLOYMENT.
Never have I been on unemployment or taken any sort of welfare. I WAS COMMENTING THAT IT MAKES ME SAD THAT THINGS ARE AT THE POINT THAT THE AMERICAN DREAM IS DYING BECAUSE OBAMA AND HIS MINIONS HAVE NO IDEA HOW MONEY SHOULD WORK.
THE ONLY THING I WANT AND THAT ALL OF US WANTED HERE IS THAT O’S SOCIALIST IDEAS SHOULD FALL ASIDE AND LET THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM DO WHAT A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC SHOULD ALLOW IT TO DO–MAKE IT EASY FOR BUSINESSES TO RUN WITHOUT SO MANY UNNECESSARY AND STUPID RESTRAINTS SO THAT WE COULD AGAIN HAVE JOBS AVAILABLE FOR ALL WHO WANT THEM.
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY AN IDIOT OBOT.

JohnnyTwoDog

God bless Scott Brown for saving us from Cap and Trade.
God save us from whatever schemes may follow.
TeakWoodKite

Is he a uniter? No. He is a coward and as you said, morons voted. Last time with Bush getting re-elected I was in a Scotish pub and had to by rounds for the Black Watch present in the establishment… “How could you have vote ‘em back in?” they asked me. (Pissed)

This time is no different. What is a very disconcerting dynamic is the willingness to believe the lie. Hitler came to power because of it. We are sailing the same waters with Obama and the Bo’suns call is that of a dog whistle. The SCOTUS is CHOOM and the Senate voting for “treaties” (read Constitutional screwing) are coming to a Senate floor near you.

Time to strike the sail for deep water.

getfitnow

This lady makes some good, scary points.

http://melaniephillips.com/america-goes-into-the-darkness

wwwild

She does make some good points.

But, who is the bad guy? Isn’t it on some level Romney for saying not a word about this? Seeing as he (and we) knew the media would never raise these issues, shouldn’t he have said them? Or, was he playing it safe for his own good (presidential ambitions) over that of the country? It’s either that or Romney is on the same team as Soetoro. I suppose either is possible.

arturo_ui

You guys must be so frickin depressed right now. Just pointing that out. You must be so frickin sad. You couldn’t get it done in 08. OK fine. You build your whole life around getting it done in 12. OH BUT WAIT YET YOU FAIL AGAIN! How do you COME BACK FROM THAT?!!!

MissMalevolent

Yup, 2004 all over again…I can’t wait for the next election cycles.

buzzlatte3

I’ve seen that others believe that the elections are nothing more than staged events. Does anyone have info on this? This one smacks of it, but is that true?

http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

Apparently Lame Cherry is claiming that Karl Rove helped Obama win by flipping Romney votes with a computer algorithm, in order to set the stage for Jeb Bush 2016.

beachnan

I read that too. I am beginning to wonder if that isn’t true, since so many things do not add up about this last election. Election reform is the only way to change this.

Richard

Off topic:
Obama supporters tweet f**k white people

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-supporters-respond-to-win-by-tweeting-f-k-white-people

getfitnow

I saw on Drudge, Beyonce (Jzee’s “first lady”–gag) put up online “Take that Mitches!” Wow what a role model. Now I see why the current FLOTUS highly admires her.

beachnan

I saw the same thing and thought “how classy”. These people and all the hollywood types have said the most ridiculous things, horrible things against Mitt Romney and his family and all Republicans. There is no decency with this group.

TexMexSoup

I’m married to a hot white guy so I literally do f*ck white people and I LOVE IT!!

beachnan

Me too!!!

TexMexSoup

Sweet!!! Me loves WHITE MEAT!! LOL….

http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

There is one shiny ray in all of this. In another four years, Obamabots won’t have any more excuses for him. And they are going to learn the hard way. I’m sorry the rest of us will have to suffer along with them, but they’ll regret voting for him soon enough.

MG6

For the second time! Smart people learn the first time around. Dumb ass never learn…..they are looking for the “mantengo”. Government handouts.
http://www.facebook.com/mary.cusack Mary Cusack

But why do WE have to suffer for their mistakes?

shelldoll2

I just can’t believe Obama’s gall at asking for a meeting with Mitt.

For those who say “Mitt should do it for the country” need to take a reality break. No one person can save the country. I think Hillary honestly though she could. At least on the foreign affairs front. Look what happened to her when the sh*t hit the fan in Libya. Obama and his minions couldn’t wait to blame her.

Obama wants to pick Mitt’s brain or maybe appoint him to fix the economy. I agree with the poster that said earlier most likely Obama wants Mitt to be his “Business Czar”.

If I were Mitt I’d say very politely “Thank you but no thank you Mr. President. This is your administration and you promised to fix things. I’ll let you and the multitudes of Czars you already have get to work.

Obama needs to stand on his own. I can guarantee that based on his past behavior that if anything goes awry and Mitt is involved he’ll get all of the blame.

If things go well and Mitt actually starts to help with a real recovery Obama will be all over the MSM taking all of the credit.

Mitt does not need to step into that pit of vipers.

DianaLC

I agree completely. Let O do it all by his lonesome, with all his vast knowledge and experience in finance. If things go wrong, he can blame the POTUS from the last term. You know, the “other” Obama.
Mitt can help the Republicans in Congress with some advice, IF HE WANTS and if O really should decide he better cross the aisle a little.
Or the little obot mental midgets can all follow him over the cliff with the rest of us and get a big reality check about how money works.

shelldoll2

Sorry about that. Thanks for the reply but my post suddenly disappeared when I tried to edit it.
HObama HObamanana

Thank you Diana. Your the “other” Obama comment about made my day. Very funny.

HObama HObamanana

4 Americans are attacked in Benghazi and the President sends them no assistance.

After the election, FEMA is closed due to the weather.

The Stock Market tanks after Obama’s reelection.

The President announces he is going to Burma.

I’m sensing a pattern here.
I_cant_take_this

I wrote before the election that Americans have become idiots–incapable of any instinct of survival….I was and am scared to death and many of you mocked me for it. I am very sorry to have to say I told you so. The America I loved is gone and outnumbered by idiots. The tyrrany of the big stupid cities over the rest of the country will continue but this time in Ernest.

win43

This is ludicrous, and the word you want is “earnest.”

How the hell to you get from an election in which your side lost to “THE POLITBURO IS COMING FOR OUR KIDS”?

Breath deep, kids. It was just an election.

wylrae

“It was just an election.”

Where were you during this election? It was much more than “just” and election. Even the MSM acknowledged it was about two different visions for America; even both candidates said that. It was far more than just another election. This election IMHO ended the dream of the shining light on the hill beacon of freedom seen throughout the world as the last best hope. With a second term 0zer0 can solidify and expand his philosophy of a government run society; that shining light is out, America is now no better than other countries where government determines through its dominance what its citizens are able to or not able to do. (I am just waiting to see the reaction of the multitudes when the health care panel determining what procedures, practices, etc. the medical profession may use under Obamacare and who may receive what procedures and/or treatments is going to have on the sheeple.) No, this was far, far more than just another election; 0zer0′s transformation is under way.
Hokma

Would you like to disuss communism with me jackass? I would suggest you first get an education before I permanently paint you as the Internet village idiot Ajax graduate. You really are a fitting product of a failed education system that has indoctrinated rather than educate.

shelldoll2

Can one of the moderators please rescue my last post? I tried to edit it and it disappeared.
shelldoll2

Bottom line:

What I said before it disappeared. Mitt should lay everything at Obama’s feet. He should refuse any position as any kind of Czar in this admin.

If anything goes awry Mitt would get the blame. If the economy, thanks to Mitt’s guidance, gets better Obama will take all of the credit.

HObama HObamanana

Totally agree with you. Obama is a user. And I think Mitt knows this. Let this all be on Obama and the people that elected him. Sink or swim, this is all on them.
kinthenorthwest

Look at what happened to Hillary?? Not sure how much of this she deserved, or how much she got herself into due to personal gread but she is screwed and now under the bus.
By the way anyone seen any news of Hillary since her South American confession that it was her fault for the Embassy?
HARP2

The media and the takers will NEVER get a clue until this country hits rock bottom.

VOTE PRESENT !!!!

shelldoll2

testing
shelldoll2

I love the “We won, you lost meme”. Seriously. The Bushbots did the same. The same gloating, feeling of superiority, acting as if this were some sort of sports contest instead of the fate of a nation and her people.

Note the Obots lack of concern about the folks up north dumpster diving, running out of food, freezing in the cold. They’re too busy doing a dance in the end zone and don’t noticing the starving and cold in the stands.

They brag about their rich Hollywood friends while bashing the rich. Or, as my grandmother would say, talking out of both sides of their mouths.

The lack of compassion, the lack of concern for others, the lack of care for the nation or the Constitution seems par for the course.

It looks as if all of us who said this has become the Survivor, Dancing With the Stars, American Idol country were right. Who cares what happens to anyone else? I won! Whooo Hooo!

We have become ancient Rome with our bread and circuses. We have become ancient Rome with our demands that the State support us and give us things.

The barbarians are at the gates and we can’t pay them off forever.

kinthenorthwest

A few moments a go I posted a longer version of this below…

Every morning I wake up each morning thankful for another day..I go to sleep praying that I will still be thankful for the crazy job I do have, and other necessities needed to just substain.

Today I could not help but think about those in the northeast and the snowstorm. One week ago Obama visited yet were things any better than Katrina??? NOT REALLY…..Many got mad because so many knew what it was a Photo Op.

So Today I pray that these people get the relief they need and deserve.

foxyladi14

Me too Kin.
Pray and donate is all I can do.

HARP2

“When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”

Benjamin Franklin
MrLynn

Once you have 50% of the population receiving Federal government goodies of one sort or another, you have basically lost the Republic.

There is perhaps one way to rescue America: A Constitutional Amendment to this effect:

“No person receiving payments or emoluments from the United States not in payment for goods and/or services lawfully contracted for and received shall be eligible to vote in any Federal election during the year in which said person receives such payments or emoluments.”

/Mr Lynn

MG6

I second that. As an AA senator pointed out “we need to put more people on welfare in order to increase our voter base.” A typical third world view.

elizabethrc

I am utterly ashamed of the ignorance displayed by those who voted for a man with no record of success and the scant record he does have is of failure.
Obama has made us a laughingstock around the globe and our enemies are rubbing their hands together gleefully in anticipation of his cooperation with their plans to diminish America’s influence even further than he already has. Putin must be dancing in the palace about now.
Are Democrat Congresspeople so anti-American that they would not vote to impeach Obama even if faced with incontrovertible proof of lawbreaking? I suspect so. I am ashamed to call any of those people Americans because they are utterly willing to sacrifice our rights, our economy, or standards and values to their own narrow interests and those of their master, Obama.
Let us hope that when the time comes for the next Supreme Court appointments, Republicans in the House stop Obama’s appointments until he sees fit to put forward someone who respects the Constitution over Obama’s self-interests.

HObama HObamanana

The Senate is the body that confirms nominations of the Supreme Court. The House has no say in this.

Article 2, Section 2, Clause 2 of our Constitution:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

elizabethrc

Thanks HObama and Mr Lynn. I didn’t know that. It seems strange though, that something as important as a lifetime appointment to the SC would leave the House out of the process.
Live and learn!

MrLynn

The Senate has to approve SC nominees, not the House. And the Senate is controlled by the Dems. /Mr Lynn

akaPatience

I’ve been sick for over a day with a nauseating migraine, and I’m still not fully recovered so I’ll make it quick. I just stopped by to say hello to my friends at NQ and to express my terrible disappointment in the election results. I guess we’ve reached the point in this country where there are more takers than contributors. I haven’t read all of the comments here (later – I’m still sick) but I’m sure a lot of you have come to the same conclusion.
HARP2

Obama wants everyone to have skin in the game so let ALL the bush tax cuts expire. Lets face it, expire them for the
rich gives only 80 billion a year. Why not add the extra 400 billion by
letting everyone else’s tax cuts expire?

The faster we reach bottom the faster we can START REPAIRING.

win43

So your proposal is a middle class tax increase?

MG6

That is already happening you ignorant cuss.
HARP2

Skin in the game…….RIGHT ?

Pay up MF

win43

I thought tax increases were bad for the economy. Why would you prefer to raise taxes on everybody instead of only a few?

By the way, the current tax code is flatter than it was under Reagan. What, the rich can’t pay the share they paid under Reagan?

PS: before you continue with an ad hominem rant, I actually hit the top tax bracket. I’m not a millionaire, but we are talking about (potentially) a tax increase on me personally. So, STFU.

MG6

The percent that you pay then is far less then what. I will pay as a so called soon be not so middle class.

win43

Those are just atrocious sentences. It’s nearly impossible to discern what you mean to say.

MG6

Figure it out! Most brilliant white man!

win43

No, you should just learn to write.

stodghie

and you nowin might learn common courtesy. i know it s missing among obots who are mean, rude, stupid and ignorant of their own country, but i won’t give you a pass. no more passes for asses!

HARP2

No no no….You guys wanted to redistribute the wealth. Surly the middle class can cough up a measly 400 billion for the less fortunate. You know ….like spending millions to fix up Mosques in the middle east.

win43

No, we don’t. You’re apparently talking to a figment of your imagination.

Literally nobody is proposing a middle class tax increase. Just you.

MG6

Are you employed? Maybe sitting in the OFA office dedicated to cause misdirection and misinformation.
It a great job to lie. Easy work.

win43

You’re apparently laboring under the delusion that you’re important and your opinion matters SO MUCH that I’m being paid to do this. You’re not — nobody actually cares what the right (or left, for that matter) fringe thinks.

You’re a toy. That’s all. A ball of yarn I’m batting around.

MG6

Bet you wouldn’t say that to me face to face…..

win43

oooooooooh internet tough guy! LOL
HARP2

Get a life…….better yet… get a job.
MG6

No, the Internet tough guy is you….
stodghie

nowin is it cold down in mom’s basement?. maybe she will unlock it soon.

HARP2

Guess again fool.

win43

A powerful response indeed.

HARP2

Why should middle class be exempt. If we need revenue as much as Obama said, surely they won`t mind helping out the messiah.

win43

You don’t agree with me that middle class tax increases are a drag on economic growth?

Your obsession with increasing taxes is bizarre. You hate Obama so much that you’ve abandoned your anti-tax principles, and now you want to soak the middle class! Get a grip.

HARP2

Why ? Middle class don`t hire people. Why should we worry about them ?

Who do you think hires the middle class ?

randi

You really should have posted a ‘spew alert’ warning with that post. Thanks, I needed the laugh.

HARP2

Libs are like children learning that the stove is hot……so go ahead fools put your hand on the stove.

It`s the only way you will discover pain.
stodghie

i just have to say nowin you are very stupid about economics for a jerk showing his butt on here all the time about it.

randi

Top Federal Income Tax Bracket for 2012
35% Bracket
Over $388,350 (Married, Filing Jointly – or – Single)

I_cant_take_this

My guess is that you did poorly in reading comprehension in school. If you chose/were able to understand you would see that he is making a broader point….you cannot get out of this mess by taxing those that will bring you a mere $80 billion.

MG6

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/11/07/vegas-employer-obama-won-so-i-fired-22-employees/

This the beginning…..there will be more. I can tell you my place of employment we were informed that the F/T workers will go to P/T. Not all but some, which means after more as things get worse. We have healthcare which I thing they are going to get rid of and us all into the NH plan.
Obama lied about all of this but people are blind. Perhaps they should read the child book from Christian Anderson…..
The king has no clothes.
HARP2

Las Vegas Business Owner Fires 22 Employees After Obama Wins

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/las-vegas-business-owner-fires-22-employees-after-obama-wins/

win43

Right, some anonymous person called in to a radio show to report this. Totally believable!

HARP2

Well let`s see. I employ 45 good workers. Very shortly I will be informing them that the doors will be closing. We will finish up our existing contacts. ( mostly defense ), At my age and with Obama`s policies there is no reason for me to continue operating while losing money.

It will break my heart to have to tell these people as many have been with me for years, but there is some SMALL satisfaction in knowing that some of them voted for Obama.

win43

So, let’s see here… sounds like your business is reliant on defense spending. So what you’re saying is that less government spending (on defense, in this case) has a direct adverse effect on private-sector employment???

Who’da thunk?

HARP2

You REALLY don`t have a clue…do you ?
beachnan

Why don’t you just get a life and go elsewhere. You have no value to us and I can tell you that nobody here would be at some Obama website making smart ass remarks for the benefit of ourselves. You and other Obamabots are classless. You keep affirming all that is wrong with the Democratic party-clueless and classless.
MG6

You really know nothing about economics do you?
sablegsd

Defense is the ONLY thing the federal government should be involved in.

MG6

I would let them go first…..

randi

I cannot help but note that you are questioning something that seems ‘off’ or implausible to you. That’s a good thing. As you know, I tend to do that as well. I hope you continue to do that with all that you read and/or hear from this moment on. I hope that you question all sources – all media – all elected officials. Please.

MG6

This is concerning……
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-supporters-respond-to-win-by-tweeting-f-k-white-people

win43

Yes, very “concerning” that a handful of morons tweeted some things.

Meanwhile, somebody on these very pages advocated treason last night. “Concerned,” there? Or do the few morons on your side not count as “concerning”?

http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

Moderators, I have had it with these Obots coming on here just to annoy us, It’s one thing to have a dialogue, but these guys sit on the site all day just to piss us off. Please…do what Hillbuzz does and get rid of these guys. It’s a waste of time and energy and makes the site too negative. In the least, I don’t know if Disqus has an “ignore” option you can turn on, but I’m tired of wading through this crap.

MG6

Agree! They give nothing of value except rhetoric and distortions. We can get that through the MSM.
HoosierinDixie

Amen to that. I don’t know about an “ignore” option so I just use the button to collapse their post. I suggest all the good people of NQ do the same.

HObama HObamanana

Well, I don’t think I should have to do a damned thing other than come to this blog and enjoy the comments from people with like minds. We may not always agree on everything but generally we all get along and respect one another.

These Obots are here for no other purpose than to cause trouble. That has always been their purpose and it’s beginning to become a little more than annoying. I don’t want to have to sift through Obots to find something enjoyable and informative to read.

HoosierinDixie

HoHo I am tired of sifting through the crap too. That is why I hit the collapse button. Only problem is it also collapses the post of people I do respect if they have responded to these trolls. The more people ignore the trolls the better it will be to read and carry on a meaningful dialogue. Anything else would require some action from Larry or the mods to limit or remove these assholes which is preferrable but not my call to make.

HObama HObamanana

I totally agree and have said so today. Perhaps if enough of us complain something will be done about it.

Hokma

I would not expect such an esteemed graduate of the Ajax School of Law to understand this, but the founders made sure that citizens had the right to have arms for a good reason. They were concerned that the central government would become too powerful and that the People would have to once again rise up and take back control of their government. That is not treason.
sablegsd

It is NOT treason for the people to rebel against a corrupt, evil, overbearing, illegal government. It is the government that is and has been committing treason.

sowsear1

The American Crisis by Thomas Paine
“There are cases which cannot be overdone by language, and this is one. There are persons, too, who see not the full extent of the evil which threatens them; they solace themselves with hopes that the enemy, if he succeed, will be merciful. It is the madness of folly, to expect mercy from those who have refused to do justice; and even mercy, where conquest is the object, is only a trick of war; the cunning of the fox is as murderous as the violence of the wolf, and we ought to guard equally against both.”

http://floppingaces.net/2012/11/07/is-there-common-sense-left-in-america/

MG6

Love it and passed it forward.
HObama HObamanana

Wow, tremendous quote! And so very true.

beachnan

This election has been such a disappointment. First of all, I want to say that I don’t trust the numbers. I know that so many Republicans were enthused and yet the numbers don’t show. Longer lines in Ohio and Virginia and yet fewer votes this time? I am afraid that our whole election process has been compromised. Why do we have same day registration and voting? Why do we have voting for weeks before the election? Why do we have machines counting our votes, that according to many can be easily manipulated? If we want change, we need to clean up the voting process. Please Democrats don’t tell me that we are for voter suppression. We are for voter integrity. If Obama’s machine-which used federal vans in Wisconsin to take huge numbers of voters (Somalian immigrants) to the polls, then they can figure out a way to insure that people have voter ID. If you can get people in Vegas to vote, by threatening them with deportation (this was told by 2 that had been threatened and you can imagine that 2 came forward, there were many others), then you can manage to get voter ID. You had the son of a Democratic congressman outed for telling someone how to manipulate a hundred votes. This guy was on tape telling someone how to cheat. If you know how to do this, then you would think that voter ID would not be a problem. The problem is that the Republicans are working the system in a honest manner, and the Democrats are doing whatever it takes (and that does include cheating) to win elections. It would be nice if journalists looked into this, but who trusts the media? They rolled over and refused to tell the story of Benghazi. The Fourth Estate has died. Until we do something to guard our electoral system, we should question the results.

randi

Terrific post! The only quibble is that there were a few R’s caught doing stuff too. This is, as you noted non-partisan – it’s about voter integrity and the no-longer-free press in collusion with elected officials.

beachnan

I would like the see the Tea Party and other groups go after the issue of vote integrity. I want to, or should I say, I need to know that my vote is counted. I am not convinced right now, that there isn’t someone out there making these grand decisions for us. You notice that the only time you heard about votes and lack of faith in voting machines is when the Dems lose, otherwise, the Republicans go away quietly. All of them are remarking on Fox about what a big surprise about lack of total votes, and yet no complaints. We know that enthusiasm was very high on the right for this election and yet Republican numbers are down in Virginia, and Ohio. How could their internals be so off? We should be demanding safeguards against any kind of cheating.

MG6

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/07/California-Passes-New-Taxes-as-Dems-win-Supermajority-in-Legislature

Watch the working class flee the state in droves, not to mention businesses.

Theymustbemorons

Well, that’s one way to change the outcome of the next election. Population movement. Electoral votes are based on population. If significant numbers moved into red states to start over, those states would pick up move votes in the electoral collage. People might even find better prospects for work and cheaper housing in a state like Texas rather than in states like California or my own New York.

stodghie

don’t mean to be rude here but we don’t want a lot of liberals bringing their ideas here looking for jobs and screw up a good deal for us in texas.

Theymustbemorons

You’re not being rude at all. The people I’m talkin’ about — folks who want to be self-reliant and not be taxed to death — are not “liberals” so don’t worry. You’d be surprised at the number of people in states like N.Y., CA, IL and other “blue” states who feel that way. Many companies have relocated to Texas because of more favorable business policy. Those companies have brought jobs to Texas. And your governor has traveled to other states to successfully lure companies to Texas.

TeakWoodKite

Tell me about it.

http://www.facebook.com/mary.cusack Mary Cusack

I’m never going to vote again. it’s only a ritual and the president is selected way ahead of time. I believe the votes were flipped electronically. Fuck “faux democracy”

http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

While I agree with you that this election was rigged, please continue to vote. They can only rig very close elections.

sablegsd

Nonsense.

beachnan

My first comment didn’t get posted, so let’s try again. It all comes down to election integrity. I question the outcome. Enthusiasm at an all time high for Republicans and yet they voted 3 million less this time? Long lines in Florida, Virginia, and Ohio and yet less Republicans? It is time for change. For a federal election, the rules should be the same. One or two days voting at the most. This weeks long early voting is ripe for fraud. Those Democrats who say no voter ID because it suppresses the vote, I say bullshit, we need to have that check in place. If the Democrats are good enough to bus vans (federal, btw and illegal) to a polling place to get (Somalian immigrants) in Wisconsin to vote, then they can figure out voter ID. If the Democrats can figure out how to use the illigal hispanic population in Vegas (as reported by at least 2 who said they were threatened with deporation if they didn’t vote Obama) then they can figure out voter ID. If the Democratic congressman’s son (caught on tape), can figure out how to rig the system and get a hundred extra votes for Obama, then they can figure out voter ID. As long as you have machines that can be manipulated, you will have questionable outcomes. Paper ballots that are hand counted and witnessed by members from both parties is the only honest way to go. The Republicans play by the old rules of one man, one vote, while the Democrats figure out how to rig the system. As long as we keep playing by the rules and the Democrats figure out how to rig it, we will always lose. We are supposed to be the most democratic nation on earth. It is not too much to ask for all of these checks in place to ensure a fair and honest election.

foxyladi14

Agree.
http://www.facebook.com/sirmrks Mark Dormann

well its easy to do and this was in 2000.

http://www.therightplanet.com/2012/11/programmer-testifies-about-rigging-elections-with-vote-counting-machines-video/

http://www.facebook.com/sirmrks Mark Dormann

here is something from lamecherrys recent blog: All of this comes full circle, and 2012 was another preparatory run in the algorithms of John McCain’s numbers from 2008.This blog exclusively laid all this out in Scytl, in it’s Spanish founders murder, and how the software which runs all of this is based on casino gambling software which spots trends in betting.
That is what the 2012 election was to the software in the ballot boxes in it was to make the “house” which is Obama the winner, no matter what the percentage was, as the percentage was set that a certain number of winners in a casino would be fed to make the masses think they could win. With Obama running the McCain program, it required vote suppression as the fury over Obama in America, would blow the margin as this blog stated.

I warned of the California gas price spike was to reduce the Obama margin for stealing or flipping votes. Obama’s contractors though were ready for this in Obama reduced election output to his fictional numbers based on the original McCain codex.

That is why Al West in Florida had 5000 votes flip in not matching the the count there. GOP Conservatives like Todd Akin who won the election were written off in the hard ballots do not matter, as the system was rigged to specific areas all to flip the elections in test areas to keep Obamacare active.

What 2016 is, is but the child of 2012 in the reality is, in 2012 was a prototype of 2004 in how not to just steal the Presidency, but how to steal every election in America so the cartel picks every UN candidate running for office.

Now all of this is too exclusive really and it is why “someone” has been most interested in the blog and apparently posting when I did not post in “re evaluating” things in cleansing what appears.

All of this ties together and is tied together. It is why when Breitbart went puffy pink no one on the right in Mockingbird said a word as it would undo the whole thing as much as anyone is not allowed to mention Scytl, save this blog.
beachnan

We have to do something about this problem.

Hokma

Obama still has no solutions and the GOP will not save his ass and the statute of limitations on blame Bush are over,

He will implement many more executive orders so that he does not have to deal with the GOP and force greater and greater control by the federal government over more institutions. Among his “accomplishments” will be nationalized healthcare and the elimination of private health insurance companies. All the nightmares talked about concerning Obamacare will come to pass. I only wish that it first affects families like yours and those who voted for this communist.

However, concurrently it will be time for Obama to finally face the music. The GOP did not aggressively pursue the investigations of his administration for fear it would harm the Presidential election. But now that they are free of that burden we will see Fast and Furious as well as the Benghazi cover up and other assorted misdeeds come to the forefront in the House for investigation and eventually articles of impeachment. It will be just in time for the 2014 elections and the GOP will take over the Senate and force the removal of Obama from office – and maybe even Biden.

So for the kool aid drinking ignorant Obots good luck with Obama while he and the Mooch are still sucking the citizens dry.
MG6

Talk about an under current of raising anger against the politburo from Chicago.

http://p.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/nov/8/virginia-store-closes-day-mourn-loss-

The AA only see color they see nothing else. But the will when it is to late. The White folk had the history of slavery and so will they when they submit everyone to the government plantation.

HObama HObamanana

White folk that just happen to be DEMOCRATS has a history of slavery.

MG6

Sorry, I stand corrected…..

Hokma

Sandy update

Yes this is worse than Katrina but the media has ignored it.
There were not snowstorms after Katrina hit New Orleans
The Jersey shore just got 12 inches last night and Long island got about 4-6 inches of very wet and heavy snow with hundreds of thousands of hiomes (including mine) still without electric since the storm hit a week ago Monday.

Gas lines are still very long and supply limited as are food supplies.

So where is the faux CiC? His 15 minutes with the beached whale on the Jersey shore was enough of a show.

Where is FEMA? Where are the generators? Where is the assistance from the government to restore the infrastructure? THIS is how false the need for a federal government is.

vinnie winkel

Yes, the victims of Sandy got swept away because the corrupt media decided their guy doesn’t need a photo op anymore. Sorry folks, just be patient, we’ll be with you as soon as we can ’cause we got a party to plan.
HObama HObamanana

So sorry you are still going through this. Worst part from my perspective is that if I hadn’t read your words I never would have known about what is actually happening. It’s not like the media is paying an attention to anything other than their chosen one.

HARP2

So here you go libs

From the job creators.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFG9dwolo3Q
foxyladi14

Good post Larry .I shared it on FB
Lemuel Vargas

Well. he is a narcissist, as evidenced by all the Is’ and mes’ in his speeches. Narcissists never wants to compromise or do anything that would compromise their narcissism. So my prediction is he will do what he has been doing, which is to bow down to pressure from those who has vested interests (and who infltates his ego)..As my mom used to say, you can hack that in stone..
KataKimbe

My immense dislike for the arrogant Obama is the same.

Most people in the world are followers. Political conviction is often something you are born into, depending on family and place. Not different from religion. Followers often are willing to follow somebody off a cliff because they don’t see reality. This happened during the GOP primary that had many decent candidates… but they were not candidates that could win in the general election – especially not preaching or pushing moral values into faces of those who disagree. Since the media will point out how horrible these ‘moral’ voters are and the majority of people believe anything shown on TV and when told… this goes across the spectrum of voters. People will rebel, but is it going to pay off in the end? This image could be used for the guy I just heard who called into a show bitching about the Republicans having nominated a Moderate so he did not vote. Just like those Libertarians who voted for somebody that is a wasted vote to make a point. Good for them. I hope the freedom they will have less of feels good now. This made it easier for Obama to be reelected and the caller’s vision of America even further away. Get a CLUE… the electorate is now made up of more Moderates than either Conservative or Liberals. If you never want to win an election again, turn a sharp right and enjoy the trip off the cliff. I will make it… no matter what. I am a fiscal conservative and moderate on social issues. I can adjust even if I don’t like it. I won’t pay more taxes… I am a regular schmuck. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/the-danger-of-misreading-the-make-up-of-the-electorate/
mergeright

Continued from the first bite is the topic of Benghazi. As I believe Larry posted earlier, there is speculation as to larger players being behind the attack, as in Russia and Iran. http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50586
Could Larry or any other knowledgeable NQer speak to the fact that we now know Russia had a submarine off of our coast and Iran has fired at one of our drones in recent days?
TexMexSoup

Here is another issue with Obama being re-elected. He was re-elected during Mercury Retrograde…. Worst time to sign contracts and in essense his idiot followers signed a new contract with him… Bad news for them and this country in general. Don’t know what Mercury Retrograde is?, use the google. Lets put it this way, The Titanic sunk during Mercury Retrograde.

MG6

Found this little nugget…..

- Daniel 8:25 He will ascend to power on a platform of peace. By peace, he will destroy many. Barack Obama has build a platform of so-called “Peace” but this is not true, he won the Nobel Peace Price in 2009 after doing what ??? Nothing !!! Very strange that he won the Nobel Peace price. He brought “Peace” in Libya ??? He brought ”Peace” in Egypt ??? He brought ”Peace” in Tunis ??? And the last stage is the Middle East, he will bring “Peace” in Syria (Prophecies of Edgar Cayce) : The prediction that World War III would start in “Damascus” after naming Tunis, Lybia and Egypt !!! Including the death of the four Americans in Libya.

http://www.facebook.com/mary.cusack Mary Cusack

direct quote: “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” (Luke 10:18) the Greek word for ‘lightning’ is ‘astrape’, and the Hebrew equivalent is ‘Baraq,’”

Isaiah 14:14, where Lucifer, another name for Satan, is quoted as saying, “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.”

“I wondered what the word ‘heights’ is,” said ppsimmons, “and I looked it up in the dictionary, and it’s ‘Bamah.’”

If spoken by a Jewish rabbi today, influenced by the poetry of Isaiah, he would say these words in Hebrew … ‘I saw Satan as Baraq Ubamah.’”

MG6

Whoaaaaaa…..Yikes!

http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

Sometimes things that get signed during Mercury in Retrograde end up being redone later. In other words, you aren’t supposed to sign contracts because they are likely to fall through. Hmmm…

sablegsd

Of course he’s not. He’s a commie koranimal racist on a mission to destroy this country. He has already succeeded.
http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

Military Absentee Ballots Delivered One Day Late, Would Have Swung Election For Romney

http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/11/military-absentee-ballots-delivered-one-day-late-would-have-swung-election-for-romney/#ixzz2Bel4qrd0

HObama HObamanana

How legit is this blog? If what it states is true it’s the first I’ve heard of this being reported. I would expect that someone like Lindsey Graham or John McCain would be going ballistic about now.

randi

Pretty sure it’s a humor site..look at some of the other articles

MG6

Now the union come out…

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/unions-obama-california-healthcare/2012/11/08/id/463362?s=al&promo_code=10A4D-1
MG6

Watch out for deception from the OFA
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7084#more-7084
HELENK2

it was fitting that I was rereading Atlas Shrugged on the day my country committed suicide,

things to look for

more Benghazis
more fast and furious from holder’s dept of crime
more executive orders going around congress
more EPA regulations to halt business
more on food stamps and government handouts

more wasted taxes money on things that do not work
more meeeeeschelle vacations
more taxes

Less jobs
less incentive to create jobs
less medicare
Higher prices
country’s credit rate dropping even more

WHO IS JOHN GAULT?????????
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