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“Jaw-Jaw is the War-War”

What a clever title, I thought, as I post this so you can all read John’s typically brilliant, insightful posts.Written Nov. 18. Please see my note below.Bronwyn

My information is that the triad of Morsi of Cairo, Erdogan of Ankara, and the Emir Hamad of Qatar conferred and agreed upon a peace plan for Gaza that they then sent to POTUS Obama enroute to Southeast Asia. POTUS passed the peace proposal onto PM Netanyahu without comment or direction. That was Saturda, November 17.

My information is that the proposal is absurd, and that is said to be a compliment. Israel will continue to participate in the talks with Hamas, through go-betweens, however the probability of Hamas agreeing to anything credible is said to be low.

The jaw-jaw of negotiation is the war-war. The multiple voices in the parley include , in addition to the triad named, also the king of Saudi Arabia and his counselors. POTUS Obama is said to be much on the telephone to both Morsi of Cairo and to Netanyahu of Jerusalem.

Am told that POTUS Obama is demanding concessions by Israel that are unrealistic, such as lifting the blockade of Gaza at sea. Am told that The war-war will continue at its present confused and haphazard way, with rockets fired at Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Dimona, at the same time IAF continues to destroy the Hamas structures.

Human Shields

What is to be done? The Middle East is in a regional war. The dark hand is Tehran that is guiding and funding the rocket firings from Sinai.

A resupply of Fajr-5s said to be enroute, either overland from Sudan to Sinai and Gaza, or on the Med from Hizballah stores in Lebanon. Civilian casualties will be the way both sides keep score.

The latest report of 500 Egyptian citizens crossing into Gaza to act as human shields introduces and possibility of escalation from catastrophe. The other part of the threat is Hizballah in Lebanon. My information is that Hizballah will not open fire with its rockets on North Israel until and if Tehran orders. Also the Syrian civil war is unpredictable just now.

In Jordan, the king is said to be fragile, hanging on a fated thread, as the well-armed Moslem Brother faction can rock Amman at will. In sum, the next weeks are as unpredictable as promises of peace. Israel is looking at the November 29 UN Security Council meeting as a turning point.

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Bronwyn: If you haven’t, please check out “Black Friday Post.” I am trying to spread the news as far as possible so that none of you has to go through what I have had to. Of course, had I had the financial means, I wouldn’t be in this fix. But there’s also that I tend to be polite and respectful of others’ supposed expertise. I’ve always thought that doctors, with all that schooling, are wise and perceptive. Not so. I am here to tell you! Most definitely not so.

  • MG6

    Well, well…..like we didn’t know!

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/leftist-trolls-in-ongoing-war-with-wnd/

    Yup, right on the nose! The left has to continue to distort at any level….out of fear the truth will come out. Or the people will wake up.

    • scottymac54

      Uh…I like the fact that, on the WND site, they conveniently leave out the fact that the shills were paid, to influence opinion, regarding the “State of Israel” and the far-far-right there (the version at “Hillary is 44″ leaves the references in).
      Jerome Corsi is actually a brilliant man (albeit, for a conservative, a contradiction in terms). A very thorough researcher, willing to delve into areas the wingnuts are too chickenshit, too….very awake, very against the NWO aspects that manifest themselves.
      I’ve never been a paid commenter, but these comments have been infested with them at different points. A bizarre Ted Kacynski wannabe Internet bully worked with his peahen wife and two other couples to promote the “Tea Party Agenda”, meaning, just the same old establishment neocon-approved claptrap. I basically called him out, when even members from years ago would not, and, from that point, the whole little claque of racist cranks showed me exactly how their brand of hate had coopted conservatism, and why I’d never accept them at face value, in any form.
      All in this fakeass, cloying, “down-home” twang, that was more “Deliverance”, than “Sweet Home Alabama”.
      In the end, I should thank them! If not for what I learned about them, I’d be sitting on blogs like this, night after night, blaming voter fraud, media bias, and the big, bad “libs” for ruining our precious nation…
      As it turned out, it’s a new day. My faith was rewarded.

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    • Hokma

      I think this was a trial balloon by Obama to see how she would do and what support she may/may not have after the fact. I think he wants to nominate her but knows what kind of trouble her nominating process will be for him (not her) over Benghazi. In the end he will have to back off or face a lot of personal trouble.

    • HELENK2

      http://freebeacon.com/hold-on-amb-rice/

      hold on rice if backtracks submits her name for SOS.

      answers first

      votes second

  • HELENK2

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/26/video-following-gazas-ceasefire-cleveland-rally-calls-for-the-destruction-of-israel/

    this is not the America i grew up in.

    Cleveland rally calls for the destruction of Israel

    • Hokma

      This is because this country has embraced the politics of the far left who would like to see Israel wiped off the map.

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    • Hokma

      This could be very significant and not something Democrat Jews on the Hill would want to confront.

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    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/26/israeli-collaborators-hamas-executed-were-actually-salafist-rivals/

    remember those so-called Israeli collaborators, hamas executed? well they were really salafist rivals not collaborators.
    arab al capones

    • MG6

      Anything Hamas does or says are all decitful.

  • DianaLC

    I keep remembering the book and the movie: On the Beach. As I recall in both, the final days of humans on earth were orchestrated by war in the ME.
    I warned one of my Jewish co-workers back then not to vote for Obama. She still had a son in Israel, though she and her daughter had come back to the U.S. I haven’t spoken to her, but I wonder how in the world anyone of Jewish ethnicity could have voted for this idiot.
    My younger son and I had a discussion this afternoon about the entire mess the country is in and the world. He said point blank that his generation is very stupid and selfish, voting for ridiculous issues like gay marriage and abortion rights when so many other things are way more important and especially since it’s always the Democrats accusing the Republicans of trying to turn back the time to the 50′s when he’s never really heard a politician make that threat.

    • elizabethrc

      Diana, you have a very insightful son. He’s quite right, unfortunately. We’ve bred a generation seemingly incapable of free thought, much less keen analysis. Everything is surface with them and their thinking is elemental. Their brains seem to be concentrated these days in hand held equipment and their communications skills are becoming limited to texting shorthand. A few days ago someone was bemoaning the disappearance of cursive writing. It’s just another sign of the blistering speed of our downhill slide into mediocrity.
      It boggles my mind that we, the citizens, are the ones who are being punished for the ‘sins’ of a couple of hundred DC legislators. Their power lies in their ability to spend money…a power that has to be stopped. It wasn’t we who spent us into this disaster, but it IS we who continue to allow this kind of self interest to last seemingly into perpetuity. Think about it: a handful of people are destroying this country! When will we ever learn?!!

      • Hokma

        “We’ve bred a generation seemingly incapable of free thought, much less keen analysis. ”

        That is very true. A large part of that is because of the impact the Internet has had on society. One of the unintended consequences of the Inernet is people no longer using their ability to reason – to think – because what the Internet does is reinforce whatever pre-existing beliefs one has.

    • Hokma

      I do know people in Israel and they do not understand why American Jews have and do support Obama. The answer is simply put is that American Jews are detached from their heritage and even religion. For most American Jews, their only attachment to their religion is required ceremony, a holiday, or a social occasion. For most American Jews Israel is an annoyance that conflicts with their attachment to liberal and socialist ideals that are primarily embodied in the new Democratic Party.

      I believe this younger generation who are now adults are being indoctrinated – not educated – since most schools teach history and philosophy from a far left perspective and do not invite discussion or conflicting views. They are tied to an Internet that also fosters a far left view of information. Try Googling any issue and see how far you have to go before you get a conservative perspective. That is by design. And then there is the media who have abandoned all pretense of integrity and have become what Pravda was in the old USSR – a mouthpiece for one political perspective.

      This is what the majority of our generation is leaving for our children and grandchildren.

      • HELENK2

        http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/26/Romney-support-New-York-City

        maybe this will give your friends some hope. Many American jews understand that backtrack is no friend to Israel or America

        • Hokma

          Unfortunately the large majority of american jews are either reform or mildly conservative. They are also marrying, and their children are marrying, outside their religion in large numbers and not raising children as Jews.

          But within the youngest post-boom generation there are a growing number of non-orthodox Jews who are rediscovering their heritage and embracing Israel.

        • shelldoll2

          I followed your link and it is hopeful. But the problem is that the Obots on that post are still singing the same song: “We won. You lost.”
          The chilling part is that they do see it as some sort of sports contest. What’s best for the country? Who cares?

          I’ve seen this attitude on website after website. They literally do not care about their fellow Americans. All they do is bash the rich and live in a fantasy land where if all the rich become poor the world will be a perfect place.

          I wonder if this take everything from the rich applies to the celebrities they worship and the politicians they like. After all, Obama is very wealthy. Shall we take all of his money too?

          I don’t think the Obots thought that far.

          • scottymac54

            “After all, Obama is very wealthy. Shall we take all of his money too?”
            Absolutely! In fact, probably even more….it’s not as though he earned his way into international stardom, in 2008.
            Don’t ask me where he earned the Nobel Peace Prize, either. It’s like, it was bequeathed to him, without any real achievement on his behalf, as if it were an advance…
            I can still appreciate a large portion of his Middle East focus, while still acknowledging those pesky drones, flying about.
            And he made quite the show, of mentioning that NO nation would tolerate having bombs dropped on them, but he forgot to mention that that didn’t apply, when HE was dropping them…
            So why wouldn’t he be liable for the same tax burden (perhaps, by rights, even more) than the “other side”?
            It’s like my fellow antiwar demonstrators who suddenly disappeared from the radar, once “their guy” was elected.
            Sure, the same atrocities are fine and good, when “your guy” is the one doing it, no?
            The hypocrisy is endless.
            Merry Christmas, by the way, LOL!

            • shelldoll2

              Merry Christmas!

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  • Mike Monroe

    “My information…”

    Boy, that is specific.

    How would John Batchelor know anything about anything to do with this? That guy has been so wrong on everything for so long.

    • MG6

      Just like Reid’s claim that someone told him the Romney hadn’t paid his taxes in…..Ten years?

      • Mike Monroe

        Funny thing is you have no idea if Reid is right or wrong as we have still not seen Romney’s tax returns. What is/was Romney hiding? Ask yourself why Romney would not show us his tax returns as every Presidential candidate has for the last couple of decades? Again what was he hiding?

        • MG6

          “My information…” Boy, that is specific.

          So, communistic of you. You are a Drone.

          • scottymac54

            Except for the fact that it’s Batchelor’s tag line, not Mike’s……

            • MG6

              Except for “Boy, that is specific.”

              • scottymac54

                In English, we put the part of the quote we want to highlight, in quotes.
                You indicated, “My information”, which is Batchelor’s stock attempt to appear informed.
                Yet, you quoted Mike, and hurled “communistic” as a perjorative at him (as if such a notion applied to begin with).
                Your bad for the error itself, or mine, to have the temerity to actually question you on it?
                Furthermore, we have no demonstrated proof of whether Mitt Romney paid ANY taxes, because his data was never properly verified, as it has been in the past, with BOTH Dem and Rep candidates.
                Even if it had, we already know he’s never paid anything close to his fair share, of what he actually owed…
                But that’s cool, in hindsight. His father certainly did….
                Mitt’s father’s dues to this nation (which actually existed) is expected to cover those
                of ALL Romney heirs, into perpetuity.
                It’s funny how that concept is so instilled into the citizenry of SUCH a “communistic” nation…
                You wanted us to accept a fraud and a liar, just to unseat Barky and perpetuate the “ABO” meme…
                Sorry, but some of us still own our votes.
                Act irrationally and try to take our nation fifty to a hundred years back into time, and we will just vote for your opposition.

                • MG6

                  Does the OFA or Acorn paying you to troll the Web? You really like to muddle things and twist them into what You want.
                  I know the strategy. The problem it doesn’t work.
                  BTW, the Fraud and the Liar is Your lord and savior Obama. And all the Czars with Val Jarrett are all communist.
                  Read the Pravda article…..

                  • scottymac54

                    Who pays YOU? The JIDF, or those good ol’ patriotic Koch Brothers?
                    You really know so little about the forces that guide your existence in this world.
                    You don’t even know who the players are!
                    Now, go back to “Lame Cherry”. And drink it all up, real good….

                    • MG6

                      Nah, but enjoy your koolaid. Eventually, the truth always comes out. History will judge the lot of you harshly. Just like every despot and narcissistic leader, the people of Germany and Russia know all to well.

                    • Hokma

                      For pond scum like scottymac computers should come with a lock-out option for people like him that can only be unlocked by getting above 90 on an IQ test.

                    • scottymac54

                      From one of the most uninformed, uneducated commenters on this blog….
                      I accept your “no-confidence” vote as a compliment, and wear it straight down the main street of your town, as a badge of honor.

                    • MG6

                      And I will save all of these comments, to show my children and my children’s children (if I live that long) how our nation fell into communism/dictatorship. I want them to read these comments to show them not all were fooled by the usurper.
                      How they must be vigilant and never allow the constitution to be undermined because they will lose their freedom as Americans.

                    • scottymac54

                      With all respect….I’m not sure you fully appreciate the actual import of that particular comment.
                      But, if you wish to use it, and distort it to fit whatever nutty indoctrination program you think you can use, go ahead (we have public television, an asset I fully believe we must use, to EDUCATE children, as to what is real, and true, and wholesome, and decent..)
                      If you do not care for my opinions, in true GOP style, I have others.

                    • MG6

                      We have lively discussions with our children. We are not a traditional family. So debates are encouraged.
                      I leave you with this example…my 14 yr old Boy was for Obama in 2008. We asked him why and he could say so we encouraged him research Obama. BTW, the Chicago Tribune had in its front page in 2004(I think) that a Kenyan Born Senator had been elected to Congress. As you guessed, that was Obama. My wonder child then said I thought only an American born citizen could be president. Why did he say that because when the Senator was elected I discussed it with and was surprised he was running for president in 2008. My boy never forgot that.
                      So, he was watching the debate with Cindy, Obama and Romney. At the point Obama said “fact check it.” Well, my 14 yr old did and annonced to everyone that Obama had lied. So, Hilter and Stalin said that if they can control the youth thinking they control the nations.

                    • scottymac54

                      Just the fact that you’re making time to actually have such a discussion with your children is encouraging to me.

                    • Hokma

                      Your comments are not only inane but incoherent. You either stand for nothing or came to this blog lying to try and promote your socialist and anti-Semitic crap. You clearly have some mental disorder, perhaps it is schizophrenia. But what is most troubling is that you are ignorant and are ignorant of it. If there was a Pandora’s Box of stupidity, you would be its contents.

                    • scottymac54

                      I’m anti-Likud, not anti-Semitic, you myopic dunce.
                      Elect a normal, civilized, progressive government, with someone like Tzipi Livni as PM, and I’ll be just as glad as any of the holy rollers are, to “support Israel” (of course, you’d lose the holy rollers at that point).
                      The fact that you are illegitimate and should be marginalized for your opinions, is very much besides the point.
                      You would interpret ANYONE’S dissent with you on ANY issue, as ample reason to play the “Jew card”….I have seen you do it to several other commenters, and you are aggressive and calculating about using it, even on issues completely removed from Zionism and race.
                      But how well did that tactic serve you, even here, when it came to convincing non-committed voters, to your candidate’s hawkish positions?
                      I’ve heard seven out of ten Jews voted for Barky, and, anecdotally, I can testify that it had to be nine out of ten on the Upper West…
                      Maybe your approach is more of a liability then an asset, to your cause?
                      You’ve expressed all kinds of convuluted reasons as to why you THINK your party’s ideology actively chases secular Jews away, wouldn’t it make more sense to actually engage them about it, rather than taking a hostile, defensive tone?

                    • Hokma

                      You have a l-o-n-g history of anti-Semitic rants on this blog so get lost Nazi.

                      Also you are just too stupid to even have an informed opinion on Israel and the ME. Case in point your supposed support of Livini shows you have no clue what she stands for or what she would support.

                    • scottymac54

                      You can’t even spell Livni’s name, and you know even less about Middle East affairs in general, and Israel in particular.
                      You know what you are TOLD to know, and that’s as far as that goes. No ability to analyze facts on the ground, just keep slinging the hasbara.
                      You’re a shill for a foreign nation’s political party, nothing more.
                      And what a mockery you’ve made of the term, “proud Jew”.
                      Perhaps Kahane and Jabotinsky would be proud of you. Not I.

                    • Hokma

                      You are nothing more than jew hating left wing socialist who has a knack for lying about his position. Get lost maggot muncher.

                    • scottymac54

                      You don’t know anything about anything.
                      Clearly, an affirmative action hire.

                    • Hokma

                      “Clearly, an affirmative action hire.”

                      What? You’re not even smart enough to know how to insult someone.

                      You must be good at arithmetic; because you can add fiction, subtract facts, divide attention, and multiply ignorance.

                      Now go back into your basement before your mommy finds she left the door unlocked.

                    • scottymac54

                      Go back to Mommy’s tenement (hopefully, it’s been fumigated and disinfected, by now).

                    • Hokma

                      Whoa. Ya got me there sparky!

                      You’re not even original. Get lost

                    • scottymac54

                      Yes, and Barack Obama is CLEARLY equivalent to Hitler, and Stalin, in the sheer level of misery he’s inflicted on millions of people.
                      Maybe some day, the sun will come out in your world….
                      I’ve moved on.

        • Dissentispatriotic

          If he hadn’t paid taxes in 10 years then shame on the IRS for letting him slide! But, oh. Wait. I forgot the dear leader of the IRS was a tax cheat himself and no one really seemed to care about it.

    • Scorpio

      Seems like you’re running up a lengthy list of your own Monroe, of getting everything wrong! All you offer is empty words mixed in with a whole slew of BS!

      • Dbb3

        I thought Clint killed you off in the original Dirty Harry.

        • Hokma

          Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you’d had enough oxygen at birth?

        • Scorpio

          Apparently not :)

    • HARP2

      Sounds just like a democrat press conference…don`t it.

    • scottymac54

      Hey, when you have Maryann Kissel, Aaron Klein, Bret Stephens, and Larry Kudlow on, to confirm your psychotic, apocalyptic view of reality, how can you lose?
      They are keepers of the holy wail….

      • Hokma

        I used to think that you were a gibbering idiot.
        Now I have a much lower opinion of you.

      • Mike Monroe

        Kudlow has been wrong on the economy for years. He is a bit of a joke among serious investors and economists. Your list is full of ideologues who do nothing but play politicss 100% of the time. Objectivity, the truth or being right does not matter. A lot like Batchelor.

        • HARP2

          Nice interpretation of Ray Bolger.

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    • Hokma

      That’s right. Ahmadinejad was right back to wanting to wipe Israel off the map.

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    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/26/ny-times-pushes-hamas-propaganda/

    backtrack’s paper nyt pushes hamas propaganda

    • KenoshaMarge

      Once NYT stopped being a newspaper and became a press agent it lost any credibility. I wouldn’t put it in the bottom of my parrot cage!

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    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/26/egypts-top-islamist-expects-assassination-of-liberal-leaders-opposed-to-morsis-power-grab/

    egypt’s top islamist expects assassination of liberal leaders opposed to morsi’s power grab

  • HELENK2

    imo this is just a pause and then after the Nov 29 meeting all hell is going to break loose in the ME.
    Israel is on her own and the muslim brotherhood is spreading like a cancer throughout the ME and no one is doing anything to stop the spread.

    • MG6

      Funny you should mention 11/29th, I heard Rabbi Glazerson predict something big was going to happen on that date. Gotta pray for Israel.