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Susan Rice, Coonery Buffoonery?

Why do so many on the left want to treat Susan Rice like a poor, black slave persecuted by all Simon Legree white men? Ever hear of the term, “Coonery Buffoonery?”
That comes courtesy of Spike Lee:

Spike is banging on Tyler Perry for not being the high brow auteur that Spike claims to be. One big difference between the two–Tyler actually makes movies that people like to watch and like to buy.

So, is Susan Rice guilty of Coonery Buffoonery?

I think the color of her skin and the fact that she is shy a penis are irrelevant to the question of whether she is intellectually qualified to be Secretary of State. The Benghazi bungle exposes Susan as a total intellectual lightweight. Follow this logic. Our diplomatic mission, along with a CIA outpost, were attacked and destroyed in Benghazi. You are the UN Ambassador and have no substantive oversight with the US mission in Libya, you are not part of the intelligence community and you have no role or experience in recommending or implementing security procedures for a US Embassy or consulate. So, why are you sent out as the President’s representative to spin a yarn that the attack on the US diplomats and intelligence personnel was the product of a spontaneous demonstration triggered by an obscure video? Because she is black and is assumed to know how to tap dance?

Bunk!

Looks like Rice got some tougher questions today and failed to persuade:

Let me reiterate–the only reason that Rice is even being considered for SecState is because she is black woman. If the criteria was solely competence and intelligence she would not even make the list.

Let’s remember exactly and precisely what she said (the following is the transcript from Meet the Press):

GREGORY: The images as you well know are jarring to Americans watching all of this play out this week, and we’ll share the map of all of this turmoil with our viewers to show the scale of it across not just the Arab world, but the entire Islamic world and flashpoints as well. In Egypt, of course, the protests outside the U.S. embassy there that Egyptian officials were slow to put down. This weekend in Pakistan, protests as well there. More anti-American rage. Also protests against the drone strikes. In Yemen, you also had arrests and some deaths outside of our U.S. embassy there. How much longer can Americans expect to see these troubling images and these protests go forward?

MS. RICE: Well, David, we can’t predict with any certainty. But let’s remember what has transpired over the last several days. This is a response to a hateful and offensive video that was widely disseminated throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Obviously, our view is that there is absolutely no excuse for violence and that– what has happened is condemnable, but this is a– a spontaneous reaction to a video, and it’s not dissimilar but, perhaps, on a slightly larger scale than what we have seen in the past with The Satanic Verses with the cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. Now, the United States has made very clear and the president has been very plain that our top priority is the protection of American personnel in our facilities and bringing to justice those who…
GREGORY: All right.
MS. RICE: …attacked our facility in Benghazi.
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GREGORY: Well, let’s talk– talk about– well, you talked about this as spontaneous. Can you say definitively that the attacks on– on our consulate in Libya that killed ambassador Stevens and others there security personnel, that was spontaneous, was it a planned attack? Was there a terrorist element to it?

MS. RICE: Well, let us– let me tell you the– the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of– of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that’s– that’s our best judgment now. We’ll await the results of the investigation. And the president has been very clear–we’ll work with the Libyan authorities to bring those responsible to justice.

GREGORY: Was there a failure here that this administration is responsible for, whether it’s an intelligence failure, a failure to see this coming, or a failure to adequately protect U.S. embassies and installations from a spontaneous kind of reaction like this?

MS. RICE: David, I don’t think so. First of all we had no actionable intelligence to suggest that– that any attack on our facility in Benghazi was imminent. In Cairo, we did have indications that there was the risk that the video might spark some– some protests and our embassy, in fact, acted accordingly, and had called upon the Egyptian authorities to– to reinforce our facility. What we have seen as– with respect to the security response, obviously we had security personnel in Benghazi, a– a significant number, and tragically, among those four that were killed were two of our security personnel. But what happened, obviously, overwhelmed the security we had in place which is why the president ordered additional reinforcements to Tripoli and– and why elsewhere in the world we have been working with governments to ensure they take up their obligations to protect us and we reinforce where necessary.

GREGORY: The president and the secretary of state have talked about a mob mentality. That’s my words, not their words, but they talked about the– the tyranny of mobs operating in this part of the world. Here’s the reality, if you look at foreign aid–U.S. direct foreign aid to the two countries involved here, in Libya and Egypt, this is what you’d see: two hundred million since 2011 to Libya, over a billion a year to Egypt and yet Americans are seeing these kinds of protests and attacks on our own diplomats. Would– what do you say to members of congress who are now weighing whether to suspend our aid to these countries if this is the response that America gets?

MS. RICE: Well, first of all, David, let’s put this in perspective. As I said, this is a response to a– a very offensive video. It’s not the first time that American facilities have come under attack in the Middle East, going back to 1982 in– in Beirut, going back to the Khobar Towers in– in Saudi Arabia, or even the attack on our embassy in 2008 in Yemen.

Play close attention to what Rice actually said.

But let’s remember what has transpired over the last several days. This is a response to a hateful and offensive video that was widely disseminated throughout the Arab and Muslim world. . . this is a– a spontaneous reaction to a video.

Gregory pressed,

Can you say definitively that the attacks on– on our consulate in Libya that killed ambassador Stevens and others there security personnel, that was spontaneous, was it a planned attack?

And Rice doubled down:

putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of– of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that’s– that’s our best judgment now.

Given the fact that a senior Libyan official that very day was insisting that Al Qaeda was involved, Rice could have said, “the investigation is underway and we do not know anything with certainty.” But she did not do that. She insisted it was the videotape. That is just a damned lie.

  • arturo_ui

    “Spike is banging on Tyler Perry for not being the high brow auteur that Spike claims to be. One big difference between the two–Tyler actually makes movies that people like to watch and like to buy.”

    Right, because as we all know, the finest art is always whatever the masses desire most to consume. Like “Jersey Shore”, for example.

    • shelldoll2

      Ah the masses. “The play’s the thing. Therein I’ll catch the conscience of the King.”

      The masses loved Shakespeare then and we love him now.

      However all talent is not created equal.

      Unlike the ultra super intelligent left we mongrels, as Obama called us, can see the forest for the trees. Your problem? You’ll never see us coming.

    • Hokma

      Spike Lee movies reflect who Spike Lee is which is why few watch them.

      So who is Spike Lee?

      Many years ago I was at a NY Knicks game with my son when he was about 12 along with his friend and his friend’s father. We were the mid-court “gold” seats as they were called.

      Sitting next to me was Spike Lee and a woman. Lee was hunched into his seat and it do not appear happy. Maybe because he was not in courtside seats for the game.

      Prior to the game starting my son and his friend attempted to go to him and say hello. He gave them a bad look and just ignored them without acknowledging their attempt to be nice.

      At half time a couple of young black girls approached Lee and he suddenly got out of his seat and enthusiastically engaged them in conversation. Nut no one else who tried to approach him and were not Black.

      That is who Spike Lee is.

      A few days after that game I contacted the head of PR for the Knicks (who I had known) and told of what happened. He apologized for the kids having to be exposed to that and confirmed that Lee was known for that.

      Spike Lee is a racist – not an artist.

  • HELENK2

    Secretary Clinton offers support to Rice: “Susan Rice has done a great job as our ambassador to the UN.”

    this is disapointing

  • MG6
  • HELENK2

    Egypt’s President Morsi to address nation Thursday on his latest
    decree, street protests, constitution, presidential source tells @Reuters

  • HELENK2

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/28/white-house-obama-not-particularly-concerned-whether-susan-rice-misled-the-american-people/

    backtrack not really concerned whether rice misled the American people.

    after all they are just there to pay taxes and keep him in the life style he has become accustomed to living

  • foxyladi14
    • HELENK2

      wonder if backtrack is keeping holder on to avoid fast and furious truth telling

  • akaPatience

    Larry, it seems your POV is in agreement with at least one liberal. Here’s a WP piece I read a couple of weeks ago about Susan Rice, written by Dana Milbank: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-susan-rices-tarnished-resume/2012/11/16/55ec3382-3012-11e2-a30e-5ca76eeec857_story.html

  • Heather Stein

    Nice classy post!

  • HELENK2
    • MG6

      I believe Obama is meeting with Romney to come up with one. Obama’s such a con. He tells everyone that Romney’s ideas are not to the best interest of the economy and now…..it reminds me when he paraphrase Hillary at every debate. So, now he has to plagiarize Romney’s ideas for which the masses will believe are Obama’s ideas?

  • HELENK2
  • binky354

    This is very off topic, but if you haven’t seen this, you need to. It’s hard to believe… about a federal raid on a water bottling company in Arkansas, Mountain Pure:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFALonjLay0&sns=em

    • HELENK2

      holder’s dept of crime at work. thanks obots will America still be free after your lord and savior and his minions get done with her?

  • Mike Monroe

    From your own quote above:

    “What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that’s– that’s our best judgment now.”

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with that statement. In fact, that very likely is the way events unfolded. Even today there is confusion as to whether there was initially a mob and then more serious attackers, possibility affilicated with Al Qaeda, came to the consulate in the second wave of attacks.

    To attack Rice for just repeating what the CIA told her to say is completely ridiculous and completely political. There was some merit in not having Rice repeat every detail that the CIA knew in public, especially when they were in the process in hunting down the terrorists.

    Larry Johnson continued political attacks on Susan Rice are completely off base. You and McCain are not helping your conservative cause.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Yes, there is a lot wrong. Your lack of military experience is telling. Heavy weapons are not “readily available.” Mortars are not stored on the sidewalks just waiting for someone to pick them up. More relevant, the use of such weapons requires a trained team and prior planning. Siting in such a weapon is not something that your above average jihadi can do.

      And she is not repeating what the CIA told her to say. That is a false claim. CIA reported the opposite, per David Petraeus.

      Thanks for playing.

      • Mike Monroe

        Sorry you are not credible. You have no inside knowledge on this issue. Peter King said that in the closed door hearing that Petraeus approved the changes to the talking points and it was the intelligence community that made the changes. He was there and you were not. He is also a very conservative Republican.
        Also, you have no clue about what actually happened that day. It is still not clear. No one knows except those that were there. As Rice said on her first talk show appearances (as you quote above), she agreed that a more militant group attacked the compound. It was just not clear whether there was a mob initially involved or not. No one knew precisely if there was a mob involved initially. Including you.
        You yourself in your first post on this topic told all muslims to go fuck themselves and blamed a mob for dragging the body of Stevens through the streets. You yourself had it wrong and had no clue about what happened.
        So all you posts and faux outrage are because you are mad our U.N. ambassador said a mob was involved (which you said as well) and she did not specific say Al Qaeda was involved in public on the Sunday talk shows? Big fucking deal! You are an empty suit.

        • Hokma

          “Peter King said that in the closed door hearing that Petraeus approved the changes to the talking points and it was the intelligence community that made the changes.”

          No he did not.

          You are entitled to your opinions (as inane and worthless as they are) but you are not entitled to making up facts.

          • Heather Stein

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpu-CTORdXo&feature=player_embedded#!

            “In a interview immediately after that hearing [captured on CNN - see link above] explaining what Petraeus said, Rep. Peter King’s (R-NY) said that the CIA initially wrote in its assessment that attack was connected to an Al Qaeda-affiliated group, but that point was removed during a standard review by the BROADER INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.

            King said that Petraeus testified that he was not upset that the reference to Al Qaeda was removed from the intelligence assessment before it was made public. In fact, King made clear that the CIA OK’d the assessment after the reference to Al Qaeda was removed:

            Q: Did he say why it was taken out of the talking points that [the attack] was Al Qaeda affiliated?

            KING: He didn’t know.

            Q: He didn’t know? What do you mean he didn’t know?

            KING: They were not involved — it was done, the process was completed and they said, “Ok go with those talking points.” Again it’s INTERAGENCY — I GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT 7, 8 9 DIFFERENT AGENCIES .

            Q: Did he give you the impression that he was upset it was taken out?

            KING: NO.

            Q: You said the CIA said “OK” to the revised report –

            KING: No, well, they said in that, after it goes through the process, they OK’d it to go. Yeah, they said “OKAY FOR IT TO GO.”

            Watch the video!

            • Hokma

              “Petraeus approved”

              As you just noted Patraeus did not approve or take that out.Thank you.

              • Heather Stein

                According to King, Petraeus clearly said the CIA approved. Petraeus represented the CIA.

                Watch the video!

                “Q: You said the CIA said “OK” to the revised report –

                KING: No, well, they said in that, after it goes through the process, they OK’d it to go. Yeah, they said “OKAY FOR IT TO GO.”

                That is what came out of the Petraeus closed dooring hearing according to a Republican. That is what Petraeus said. Petraeus was the one being questioned in the hearing.

                • Hokma

                  As it stated in YOUR comment. It was removed by “the broader intelligence community.”

                  It was not removed by the CIA or Patraeus and he not approve the CIA taking it out. After the fact is irrelevant to any events.

                  One more thing should be noted, that at the time Obama and company had the goods on hims regarding his affair and we likely using it against him. How coincidental that the revelation of the affair came out just after the election. Wow. How did that magically happen?

  • Mike Monroe

    “Let me reiterate–the only reason that Rice is even being considered for SecState is because she is black woman. ”

    More sexist and racist comments from Larry Johnson.

    You think a Stanford Grad (Truman scholarship, Phi Beta Kappa), Rhodes scholar (Oxford Masters), someone who was an Assistant Secretary of State, the UN Ambassador, has years of diplomatic success under two Adminstration is only qualified because she is a “black woman”.

    She makes Larry Johnson’s career look like “chump change”.

    There seems to be a common thread in Larry Johnson’s comments over the year. He seems to base everything on race and sex. He has made many many comments over the years saying that many are not qualified for the job and are only considered for the job because of their race and sex. You are so completely full of shit and a sexist and a racist. You have penis envy and some real issues with minorities.

    • Van_Dessel

      “diplomatic success” – Council on Foreign Relations, anyone?

      • Mike Monroe

        Rice has been hugely successful at getting much tougher Iranian sanctions through the U.N. She has been a very successful U.N. Ambassador. She has successful rebuilt many of the U.S.’s relationships that we lost under Bush. She also played an important role in the very successful Albright State Department.

        • Hokma

          Rice has nothing to do with sanctions. Other than the fact that the sanctions are apparently not working, they do not go far enough and the only reason Obama was pushed into these sanctions was by pressure from the House and from Israel. But, as I said, they have been apparently ineffective since Iran is still moving toward nuclear weapons.

        • TeakWoodKite

          “She has successfully rebuilt many of the America’s relationships that were lost under Bush”
          Only relationship she managed WITH MUCH ASSITANCE is the one with the MB.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Diplomatic success on Syria? Right. And Iran? That was Hillary, not Rice. You really should take time to learn about the things you attempt to opine on. Your ignorance and stupidity are terribly obvious.

      • Mike Monroe

        More complete bullshit with zero credibilty from you. Rice and Hillary have been very effective at isolation Syria, particularly with the Turks. She has also been effective with Hillary at keeping America out of Syria. Iran sanctions were just as much a success for Rice as they were for Hillary. Rice was instrumental in galvanizing world opinion against Gaddafi and pushing for military intervention. North Korea is irrelevant. That country is contained. Rice has rebuilt ties with important allies and countries at the U.N. Rice and Hillary have been a great foreign diplomacy team for the U.S.

        Here are a list of her achievements at the U.N.:

        http://usun.state.gov/briefing/statements/200525.htm

        You are fraud. You use your resume of being a middle level CIA guy for a few years to convince people that you an expert on foreign policy. You are completely out of the loop and are now a simple right-wing ideologue and hater. It is not even clear how successful you actually were at the CIA and at State. You are just a pentagon contractor that has been fleeced taxpayers for the last ten years.

        • Hokma

          You are using essentially her website to show how good she is?

          Here is a better link as to how unqualified she is:

          http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/11/27/Top-Ten-Reasons-to-Oppose-Susan-Rice

          • scottymac54

            That would be your idea of a balanced source of information.

            • Hokma

              Those are facts idiot.

              Your idea of a credible source is Al Jazerra or Mother Jones. What is going to take for you and your alter egos to get lost?

              • Heather Stein

                Larry Johnson has no balls! He is back to censoring comments. He can’t take a little push back! What a tough guy with such a thin skin. A hypocrite! He has no problem personally attacking people, but he cannot take it when it comes back at him. Completely lame!

                • MG6

                  Great another paid Obot.

                  • Hokma

                    No. It’s Scottymac with yet another schizo alter ego. Notice that “Heather” says that Larry “is back to censoring comments.”

                    Someone who has made all of 5 comments and only recently would have no knowledge of that. But basement dweller scottymac does.

                    • scottymac54

                      I absolutely have no idea of what you are babbling on about.

                  • Heather Stein

                    More censorship by Larry Johnson. Awww !! Did someone hurt your feelings? What a lightweight!! You can give it, but you cannot take it. And to think at one time you were a tough CIA guy in Guatemala. Now you hide behind censorship because someone hurt your feelings. Always the same with you “conservatives”. Talk a good game about constitutions and freedom, but when it comes down to it you are all dictators.

          • Heather Stein

            More complete bullshit with zero credibilty from Larry Johnson. Rice and Hillary have been very effective at isolation Syria, particularly with the Turks. She has also been effective with Hillary at keeping America out of Syria. Iran sanctions were just as much a success for Rice as they were for Hillary. Rice was instrumental in galvanizing world opinion against Gaddafi and pushing for military intervention. North Korea is irrelevant. That country is contained. Rice has rebuilt ties with important allies and countries at the U.N. Rice and Hillary have been a great foreign diplomacy team for the U.S.

            Here are a list of her achievements at the U.N.:
            http://usun.state.gov/briefing/statements/200525.htm

            Hokma if you disagree with this list of Rice achievements then why don’t you tell us which ones you disagree with.

            Breitbart.com….. what a joke! The foreign policy talent and knowledge at Brietbart is almost as good as it is at NQ.

            • Hokma

              The joke is you.

              It is evident from the similarity of idiot responses that “Heather Stein” is likely “Scottymac” in drag. Which is the same person as others as well.

              You can tell by the same inane uninformed belligerent comments.

              This was one more example.

              • scottymac54

                That’s your psychosis talking.
                So convinced are you, of the inner voices that guide your extremist, insane positions, that you now believe that only ONE person on the planet could possibly disagree with you, so ALL dissenting positions are pinned on me.
                It’s this obsession with me, and your predilection to ascribing comments from individuals I’ve never met, to me, when I haven’t commenting here once, is precisely why I come back.
                Now get on the train, that my taxpayer dollars support, and go home.
                And, DON’T “Mind The Gap”, LOL!

                • Hokma

                  You wish you were an obsession.
                  But in reality you are an annoying gnat.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Try some logic, moron. When I state that sex and race are irrelevant to her qualifications that is the opposite of being sexist or racist. If I insisted that she was qualifed because she has a vagina or her skin is chocolate, then that would qualify as sexist or racist.

      Pointing out that her sex and race are her only serious qualifications for this post is simply a statement of fact.

      Jesus, how do you manage to get dressed in the morning?

      • Mike Monroe

        More complete bullshit by you. You are completely losing it. Obama Derangement Syndrome has become like PTSD to you.

        You did not state that sex and race are irrelevant to her qualifications. You said exactly the opposite. You aid the only reason she is being considered for the Secretary of State job is because of her sex and race. That is sexist and racist. You have a long track record of sexist and racist comments. And to think your followers/contributors like Ani want to be associated with a guy like you. Where is Rev. Amy and what are her thots on your BS comments about women and minorities?

        “Pointing out that her sex and race are her only serious qualifications for this post is simply a statement of fact.”

        Bullshit. So her career/experience, her education, her diplomatic successes, etc. mean absolutely nothing. To use your favorite saying: “you are a complete moron”.

        • Hokma

          Actually Larry doesn’t have to go out of his way to make a fool of you since you are doing a splendid job yourself.

  • buzzlatte3

    OT but : A little more “coonery baffoonery” from Butler:

    http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/12062

    Students told to give up their americanism, maleness, whiteness, etc….

    *Sigh* it’s come to this level of idiocy…

  • shelldoll2

    What breaks my heart is the PTB seem to have succeeded. We keep fighting over Right v Left. Dem v Repub. The problem is that few of them seem to have our best interests at heart.

    As long as we see this as party politics, IMHO, we lose.

    When we see this as our country as a whole, no matter the political view, we win.

    I wish we wouldn’t harsh on one another because of what party they voted for. I wish we could realize that the Constitution starts with We The People for a reason. However, reason has taken a holiday. Susan Rice should be held to the same reasoned standard as any other public official.

    I think we’re back where we were. Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD). I don’t think nukes will do this. We will until we realize we’re all on this same blue ball together. United we stand. Divided? We fall. No political party can save us from that.

    • scottymac54

      Totally agree. The problem is, getting from where we are, to that ideal, and making it real, for none of us, should demand the other abide by a peace, when that peace reveals itself to be a lie.
      But we will. I’ve even begun to see harbingers of such a new awareness, particularly after the storm.

  • binky354

    Re: Benghazi

    “The Obama administration is playing the role of Saudi Arabia’s private army. I think if Americans knew this, they would be outraged. Our service men and women are being sold out as mercenaries for the wants and desires of the Royal family, for the Saudi’s interests. It’s about religious dominance and oil. Who is really benefitting from, say, what’s going on in Egypt? Mubarek is out, and the Muslim Brotherhood is in. Who does that benefit? Saudi Arabia.”
    (Read more)

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51346

  • no_longer_a_democrat

    Is this how it works in the govt? you mess up and you get a promotion??

  • shelldoll2

    I was military.
    1. Scramble the jets. Doesn’t take long. Trust me when a jet comes screaming down on your butt you run.
    2. Prepare ground troops. Send them in.
    3. Call in allies in the region.

    Tape or no tape protect your people.

    • MG6

      Is that why Obama adm removed the generals?

      • shelldoll2

        Yes.

        • scottymac54

          Hmmm. Well, I’m getting the distinct impression that the whole issue is dead in the water.
          And before you go off on me? I’m not sure that’s strictly dictated by the Dems, alone (meaning, there could be wider implications, for other operations, still forthcoming, in the region).

          • Hokma

            The only thing dead in the water is your brain matter or lack thereof.

            Maybe I missed something but did they already have all the hearings? I don’t think so.

            And aren’t you the one that thought Fast and Furious had gone away?

            Sorry but this new Congress will have a lot on its plate after the New Year and these issues are still very fresh.

            • scottymac54

              Fill out your papers for Nefesh B’Nefesh, yet?
              After all, you did mention the “hardship” actually paying taxes would inflict on your lifestyle and goals…
              Seize the moment! I certainly won’t miss you, and you’re too old to serve the common good.
              The only “hearings” will be in that massive void between your ears, from which all intelligent thoughts flee…
              And, if it doesn’t all work out for you, I’m sure your one-bedroom in Lefrak City will be waiting for you….Freshly Painted!

              • Hokma

                you are an incoherent maggot.

                • KenoshaMarge

                  That’s an insult to maggot who at least serve a useful purpose. Although I do see the correlation between libs and a maggot since they are parasits feeding on a dying host.

                  • scottymac54

                    You’re still alive??

                    • Hokma

                      Get lost leach.

                    • KenoshaMarge

                      It’s his way of showing how “classy” he is to ask a senior citizen in poor health if she’s still alive. Typical scumbag lib.

          • shelldoll2

            I’m not going to go off on you. I wrote war scenarios for a living and was shot at a time or two. I agree. The issue will be buried.

            • NellieS

              Shelldoll

              Hopefully, Obama’s purging of long time generals needs to be made much more public. Perhaps if we, and everyone we know, send emails/letters/phone calls to the Senate and House oversight committees we can get some televised hearings. It is an abomination that these good men are losing their life’s work, and retirements, due to a petty narcissistic man who is terrified of anyone who is competent and has integrity.

  • HELENK2

    ever since they got credit in a foreign newspaper ( Pravda) for being useful idiots and getting backtrack back in office , the trolls have been out like crazy. a little attention sets them off.

    • MG6

      You are right….here is a confession from a troll:

      A person identified as “AMA” posted a comment on the website Above Top Secret that apparently offers insight into how professional trolls operate.

      I was a paid Internet troll

      For almost five years, I was a paid Internet troll. Yes, I admit.

      But first let me state that I never performed my job here on ATS, though I believe I have occasionally seen a handful on here who were using a script similar to what I was assigned.

      I cannot and will not name names, but after an internship at a firm with government and political party (Republican) contracts, I was offered the position of “Online Communications Associate” at another company by someone from the original firm for which I interned. My contract completed one year ago, and I have since moved on.

      Utilizing six artificial personas, I was active in social networks and bulletin boards. But since I came to love and respect this site, as I stated, I never performed my functions here. Each week, I and presumably several others, were provided with information to use in our online postings. At first the information was comprised of fully conceived scripts, but as I became more and more experienced, it eventually became simple bullet or talking points.

      At first I needed to provide links to my postings, but when the company name changed (never knew the real names of any people there), that requirement stopped.

      The pay wasn’t very good, but since I was working from my apartment, I suppose it wasn’t bad, and I was able to do several other writing assignments on the side.

      AMA

      I found this at wnd.com

      • scottymac54

        Twice?
        Again, your post conveniently leaves out that he was trying to “influence opinion” for none other than the Likudniks…

        • Hokma

          Here comes scotty the Jew hater.

          • scottymac54

            Keep on making a royal ass of yourself, schmuck.
            The contents of the original account are undeniable.
            Deal with it. Live with it. OWN IT.
            Yours.

            • Hokma

              Scottymac – the personification of contented ignorance.

              • scottymac54

                The images of Palestinian infants with their heads blasted off, are beginning to have that wasting, deadening effect, on what is left of your poisoned, syphilitic mind.
                Keep watching the “animals”…..with glee.
                It’s yours. Deal with the aftereffects of your own common savage bloodlust.

                • Hokma

                  more jew-hating propaganda from the maggot

                  • scottymac54

                    If the kapo coat fits, wear it.

                    • MG6

                      I see it fits you well….

                    • scottymac54

                      Nah. I don’t have the legs for it….

                    • MG6

                      You wouldn’t have problems…just wear the white stockings.

          • TeakWoodKite

            Scotty is one 79th st bagel and lox shy of hating himself.

  • MG6
  • http://www.missmalevolent.com/ Miss Malevolent

    Only if you’re liberal your color gives you cover. Last time there was a Secretary of State Rice…Condoleezza, she was eviscerated.

    For me since I was no fan of Bush Jr. or Condoleezza Rice carrying water for him. And I’m even less of a fan of Obama and Susan Rice carrying water for him. Let’s have a moratorium on people with the last name Rice being Secretary of State.

    • scottymac54

      Ms. M? It’s a job…a job that happens to include “carrying water” for the president, in its job description!
      It’s not a twelve-step meeting or interpretive dance. There’s a strict code of ethics, and protocols, and if you want to discuss their relative merits or each SOS’s ability to circumvent them, that’s another discussion.
      I appreciate your rejection of the false left-right paradigm as a futile endeavor, but the position itself has certain requirements, and Susan Rice has yet to have crossed any red lines the White House has established for her.
      Can you imagine, the hue and cry if this shitstorm were directed at a Republican administration? God Forbid.
      And color, apart from the racist screeds directed at Rice from all over the interwebs, doesn’t even enter into it.
      Can you honestly say you’re rejected any of the privilege your skin color has afforded you, whether it is deserved or not?
      She is entitled to bristle at the brickbats hurled her way, for over a month. But she has not. That’s the mark of a true professional. She has stayed within, while holding herself above.

      • http://www.missmalevolent.com/ Miss Malevolent

        She has hidden behind Obama’s shirt tails, and behind closed door meetings. Sorry, Mac, but you sit there and lie and obfuscate on news program after news program, about this being a spontaneous act over a Youtube video no one every had even SEEN until this administration grabbed on to it to deflect from the anniversary of 9/11. Then we’re supposed to accept that JUST LIKE CONDOLEEZZA before her, the “intelligence” was bad?

        And you people wonder why I say Obama is nothing but Bush Jr. all over again. And the the Obamabots are nothing but the Bushies of 2012. EVERYTHING even down to a light skinned black woman with the surname RICE being Secretary of State is repeating.

        Wake up man…just wake the fuck up.

        • scottymac54

          I fully agree with your comparison of Obama to W, but a funny thing happened on the way to the Hall of Liberty, and his name was Mitt Romney….
          Seriously, when I saw what they were trotting out, I realized that the GOP had condemned itself to an early death, I’m utterly convinced that no third-party or libertarian candidate will gain traction, so what made more sense, as an old progressive, to go back to the party I left in 2008, and hop on the Obama bandwagon?
          I say, the “Rombots” of 2012, are the reincarnation of the “Obots” of 2008! The same tactics, hostility, and lies were employed. And I’d say there’s not much difference in lack of education, curiousity, interest in diverse viewpoints, or general maturity, between the “Obots” of 2008 and most of the Romney nuts here.
          You know, much guff has been spoken about why Mitt lost, how, etc., but the pure fact of the matter is, it would have cost him not one confirmed “ABO” voter, to at least extend a minimum of respect, toward the Ron Paul supporters, who are at least twice as knowledgable about essential issues, the Constitution, and our political process, as the knuckle-dragging “ABO” clowns were.
          It would have cost him nothing, in political capital, to acknowledge their dedication, knowing Dr. Paul was retiring, and there will be no daylight between Rand Paul, and Mitt Romney…
          Also, I actually floated the idea of Condoleeza as VP here, because I truly believe, redemption is possible, and her legitimate contributions should not be ignored.
          Do I need to tell you what sort of dismissive rejoinder I received?
          As it turned out, I predicted every aspect of the election, save two, accurately.
          Rice did what was expected of her, and stood up well under pressure. She probably overperformed, compared to the way Barky would have, under the exact same scrutiny.
          Unfortunately, we’re going to need someone exactly like her, because our foreign policy is in overdue need of “realignment”, and she’s the only one who has the requisite experience, and the willingness to work toward those goals, as resolutely and diligently as Hillary has, or will.
          Hillary Clinton remains the gold standard.
          She outshines every single establishment politician of this era.
          Her globalist aspirations? I don’t know, I just don’t know.
          I agree with you on everything else, but the racial aspect, for what woman can stand, being smeared as a modern-day Tawana Brawley, by all of these hacks?
          I’ll always stand up against that sort of injustice.

          • http://www.missmalevolent.com/ Miss Malevolent

            Now I know you’re shilling. Romney used hate tactics against Obama? I’m sorry, Obamabots doubled down on the hate against Romney this election. To say otherwise is to be disingenuous

            Point of fact, after the 2004 election I said, Why don’t the Democrats use the demagoguery tactics that Bush Jr. and Co. employed to get himself reelected? I wondered why they were so milquetoast. I said, we need to use the same tactics against them. And boy, oh boy, when they say be careful for what you wish for, you just might get it? Well they were effing correct on that. Heaven help me, I never thought that Obama would use the “racist” screed against the Clintons, but he did. And while they were a’okay with being called racist in the end, I never could bring myself to cosign on that garbage.

            And when you find yourself a winning formula “all my critics are racist” why stop using it? And for now 5 YEARS (and it’s not going to stop) we’ve heard this racism garbage.

            For me as a black woman, I find it particularly odious as it’s akin to a woman falsely crying rape. Or in this case, Chris Matthews sexist ass crying rape.

            You say Romney ran a angry hateful campaign? What do you call Obama’s campaign? Sugar plums and fairy dust? If you think Obama didn’t double down on the hate, and told his constituency “voting is your best revenge” you are more of a partisan hack than anyone you criticize on this site.

            I’m not wedded to party, so I don’t have to carry water or make excuses for either side of the isle. Unfortunately, I’m sitting out here twisting in the wind because of the low information voters that vote for Presidents on whether they could have a beer with them or not.

            And let’s be clear, Romney had to run against three opponents.

            Hollyweird, News Media and Obama Co.

            I listed them in order of importance.

            • scottymac54

              Cool, this discussion is going nowhere fast, so we’ll have to agree to disagree, and furthermore, I find your narrative to be lacking in authenticity.
              I empathize with your discomfort, but I can’t respond, because I’m sensing issues that touch on conservatism in black America, the “Democratic plantation”, the projection of cultural frustrations back onto one’s selves, etc. and I’m simply not qualified to judge (the few black conservatives I’ve known, were Jamaican immigrants from Brooklyn, a whole other show)…
              But, thank you for responding. You seem really pleasant, open-minded, and fair, for this place.
              Have a Merry Christmas, to you and yours!

              • http://www.missmalevolent.com/ Miss Malevolent

                I don’t even understand that “authenticity” line. I guess since I don’t conform to your way of thinking on how black people should think or behave i.e. kiss Obama’s ass…I’m not authentically black.
                I’d say it was kind of patronizingly racist, but since the word is overused, I’m going to give you a pass, that you just believe the hype that all black people think alike, and if they don’t, they’re either Uncle Toms (wrong use of the phrase) or Wannabes.
                And that kind of fits with the demagoguery I just talked about and am seeing on a daily basis.
                One thing I hope is that the thinkers will win out over you feelers. Feelers are running this country into the ground. Feelers talk about fairness and bullshit that doesn’t equal equability in the long run for anyone. Just as long as people talk about fairness, that’s enough (and that’s all Obama is good for, “talking”). Thinkers don’t think much about talking, they are more into doing. They’re more into seeing real sensible solutions will out over the bullshit partisan crap the public is currently swallowing down like Kool-Aid.

                • scottymac54

                  Definitely not. You’re looking for unconditional acceptance, while picking apart the terminology every one else uses.
                  That’s a mighty tall order to explore, and it’s over my pay grade, not to mention inappropriate, since I just became aware.
                  Let’s talk after the holidays. After tonight, I’ll be so busy with contractors, consultants, salespeople, etc., during my nonexistent spare time.
                  The issue itself is a sensitive one for so many of you, who seem to have compelling reasons for shunning progressive politics, while remaining a part of a defined community that does not look kindly upon you for it (in New York, anyway).
                  I definitely didn’t mean to patronize, and I’m sorry if I was dismissive. I’m not sure why I, alone, should bear the brunt of your ire, when I’ve run out of patience for white conservatives….
                  Whatever. Let’s pick this up after the holidays, and have a good one!

                  • http://www.missmalevolent.com/ Miss Malevolent

                    Once again, you overstep yourself, presuming to know what I believe, or what I should believe.

                    And it just confirms for me what I’ve always suspected about those that run around calling people racist all the time. “They doth protest too much”

                    I mean I have heard some pretty outlandish things from conservatives, but I have heard even more patronizingly racist shit from so called liberals such as yourself.

                    I mean Jeaneane Garafolo (don’t care if I misspelled her name, it stays) telling blacks that support the Tea Party or Conservatives that they’re Stockholm suffers. And I said I was going to give you a pass, but in this new post you decided to double down on your authenticity screed.

                    Let me tell you something. White people can vote however they want. And Black people have that same right. We’re not some monolithic group mind think as you progressive likes to believe. Let me let you in on a little secret. Black people voted for Barack cause he’s black. You think black people are suddenly for gay marriage? Think black people are down for booing God at the Democratic Convention? My uncle owns SEVERAL guns.

                    And as soon as the Democrats nominate someone who isn’t black…expect that “We’re all one” crap to go flying out the window. Hell my uncle said he was going to jump the Democratic ship during the Primary if Clinton got the nomination.

                    But you know what, you already told me you’re ignorant of black culture. The few Jamaicans you know…you can’t speak on blah blah blah.

                    Also, that little xenophobic/racist crap you said about white conservative males…man I’m not going to label an entire group of people with anything.

                    I know there are liberals out there, who aren’t condescendingly racist, it’s just they’re drowned out by the likes of you and Grafalo, Maher and Matthews.

                    There are good REAL conservative men out there, white, black and everything in between There are good liberals out there, who aren’t wacky socialists giving away their freedoms to people on high.

                    You obviously live a very sheltered life that you have such a cartoonishly myopic view of the world, But I tell you what, You keep listening to Grafalo, Matthews and Maher. You know Maher who knows all there is to know about black culture cause he likes to fuck black women and smoke weed *eyeroll*. And you believe what they say about how blacks should think, what they should believe, how they should feel. Echo chambers are lot easier to deal with than the truth.

                    Yeah and fuck that “after the holidays” bullshit.

                    • scottymac54

                      Thank you for telling me all I need to know about composite black conservatives who simply change hands from master to master, remaining shackled to the same old tree.

                    • http://www.missmalevolent.com/ Miss Malevolent

                      And thank you for confirming for me, that a lot of liberals, do “doth protest too much”. Give enough rope to a person, they’ll hang themselves,

                      Like I said, we’re not as stupid as you want to believe we are, I knew EXACTLY what you meant by that authenticity remark.

                      Black people need to wake up about you supposed open minded Obama voters. You only latched onto Obama because you could effectively use the “racist” screeds against your foes (Republicans/Conservatives). You don’t give a damn about black people, culture, or the struggles. You just wanted to use it as a blunt force object against anyone that doesn’t hold water for you and your beliefs.

                      Guess what, in Detroit, we’ve been enjoying Democratic rule for 50 years now…and we have nothing to show for it except, unemployment, blight and corruption. You’d love to bring this little love fest to the rest of the country while your ilk eat waygu beef and sit on the golf course.

                      Only people who are slaves, are the people who continue to stay wedded to a party that has done NOTHING for them EXCEPT exploit them.

                      You are a charlatan with your concern trolling. And once again THANKS for telling who I am. I hope you enjoyed my correct analysis of your racist ass.

                    • Alan Davis

                      Miss M, what about the fact that Romney dismissed the Paul supporters? That is not a race issue, but the Paul supporters include many youth (you know, the future of a major brand party) and they had the real enthusiasm. The R brand just catered to the TeaPeople and that was a mistake. Romney would have lost NOTHING to extend respect and include the Paul supporters, but did not. The Rs ended up as neocon, high-end takers and fake-in-your-face-chrisitan clerics and their devotees. I think it was a bad political move on Romney’s part.

                    • http://www.missmalevolent.com/ Miss Malevolent

                      Sure it was a bad move, He should’ve reached out to Libertarians, but I mean the numbers don’t lie.

                      Romney got more votes than McCain.
                      Obama got 5 million less votes than last time.

                      If Romney got every single vote that Gary Johnson got, he still would’ve come up 2-3 million votes short of the popular vote.

                      Unless you’re saying that the 400,000-500,000 spread that kept him from Electoral College victory would’ve been made up from Ron Paul supporters…I think his bigger problem is he couldn’t grab the 4-5 million votes that Obama LOST from last go around.

                      Now I don’t know the data, on if Ron Paul supporters went for Obama in 2008…but if you’re saying that 4-5 million swing were Paulites…I can’t argue, I don’t now how big that movement was, but I tend to think that those 4-5 million were disaffected OBAMA supporters…not Paul supporters.

                      And the reason Romney couldn’t grab those folks is, the unrelenting campaign of hatred and lies run in a 24 hour cycle from, Hollyweird, News Media, and Obama Co. (once again in order of importance)

                    • Alan Davis

                      No, the reason he couldn’t grab Paul supporters is that he didn’t. It was up to him at the convention and he cold shouldered them. He could have engaged Paul supporters like he did with the TeaPeople, but HE chose not to. What do movies have to do with that? Or TV shows? Maybe you blame it on Clint Eastwood?

                    • http://www.missmalevolent.com/ Miss Malevolent

                      I blame movies and television shows because that’s what most people watch. Even on General Hospital this week they had a multi-millionare patriarch die on the show recently and he left half his money to PBS. A subtle dig at Romney and the Big Bird narrative the media played over and over again.

                      Obama knows that the American public by and far are lazy and low information voters. So where did he go? Did he sit on new show after news show? No. He went where most American’s live. Daytime television, Night Time Talk shows. Entertainment Tonight of all places. Republicans/Conservatives think that’s silly, unfortunately the vast majority of the American public are silly.

                      Eggheads, political junkies and the like would love to believe, that people care about policy but they don’t. They care about whether their favorite celebrity they follow on twitter likes the President. They care if they can have a beer with him. Romney did himself a great disservice not going where the low information voters live. He didn’t go on Kimmell, Letterman (who practically begged him), Leno..or the rest. Sure they would’ve tried to play “gotcha” with him (like Whoopie tried to do with his wife) but his humanity would’ve shown through to those that care about having beers with Presidents. But because he didn’t they (Hollyweird, News Media and Obama Co.) were able to paint him as an unfeeling, dog abusing, job sending to China, wacky underwear wearing corporatist pig,

                      Now, maybe you really don’t think our soft culture has any sway, and if you do think that, I really can’t argue with you as there is ample evidence to contradict that notion.

                      But let’s go back to the numbers I told you about before that you ignored in your last post. Are you saying that the 4-5 million votes that Obama got in 2008 that he did not receive in 2012 were Paulites? Did the Paulites BREAK for Obama over McCain? And then sat out this election for Obama, but didn’t vote for Romney? I mean we’re talking about a 61% turnout in 2008 versus a 58% turnout in 2012.

                      I mean where are your numbers to support that Paul at 5 million supporters that were disgusted with Romney shunning them? Cause that’s what you’re saying right?

                    • Alan Davis

                      Miss M, I never said Paul supporters could have given Romney a win. So your request for numbers is irrelevant. However, I do know quite a few Paul supporters who were disgusted and did not vote either way and they have energy, youth and actual vision. R brand is having a hard time reinventing itself as a strong party because they dismiss or reject so many potential allies. All they have are fake-christians, wealthy, neocons who have their hands out for subsidies.

                      About your rant about what is on the TV – whatever. I don’t watch much TV. So I’ll have to take your work that TV soap operas are to blame for Romney CHOOSING to dismiss Paul supporters.

                    • http://www.missmalevolent.com/ Miss Malevolent

                      As to the last little bit of Straw Man you engaged in with that Romney lost cause of a Soap Opera…I’m going to ignore that, cause when you can’t wage an effective argument, pull a straw man out. You don’t want to discuss Hollyweird’s indoctrination of the masses through subtle and not so subtle means (and they have NOT been subtle these last two election cycles), that is your right. The rest of us are hip to it. Oh and I don’t have broadcast television or cable and haven’t had it for 7 years. I just so happened to see that episode on Youtube yesterday, and how timely an example it was, despite you trying unsuccessfully to dismiss it, with that straw man I mentioned.

                      As to the other, then why did you ask me the question about why Romney dismissing the Paulites, if they wouldn’t have made a difference?

                      Seriously was that another straw man? Just another cudgel to bash Romney’s campaign over the head with? What was the point, if they would NOT have given him the win against Obama? Maybe there is your answer, maybe that is why he didn’t reach out to them, because they wouldn’t have made a difference…as per you comment just now.

                    • Alan Davis

                      Miss M, hey, the TV was YOUR argument. I say “whatever” to it.

                      If brand R lost even one vote because Romney chose to rudely dismiss Paul supporters then what did Romney gain from that? Why was it so impossible for him to include Paulites in his brand? Please don’t answer that it was the TV that made him choose that.

                    • http://www.missmalevolent.com/ Miss Malevolent

                      *sigh* TV or more specifically, the Soap Opera I mentioned was not an argument. The Soap Opera was the example and you know it, unless you’re a complete imbecile. If you aren’t an imbecile, then you made a logical fallacy.i.e. Straw Man argument in response to my comment. The indoctrination of the masses through entertainment vis a vis television, celebrity endorsement and the like IS an argument I do believe in and has more validity as an influence than the Paulites, that Romney supposedly brushed off. And you yourself have admitted that his acceptance of them would’ve done nothing to win him the election.

                      So, you answered your own question.

                    • Alan Davis

                      No one knows how much of a difference it would have made if Ronmey had led brand R to be inclusive to Paul supporters. It would have increased his vote by SOME and he chose not to. You still avoid the question, WHY dismiss allies? As to your TV ranting, who cares??

                    • http://www.missmalevolent.com/ Miss Malevolent

                      The people who should care are those real conservatives (not the neo-cons or compassionate con), libertarians and independents. Because until we can squelch Hollyweird, news media propagandists, we can never change the narrative that the Demofacists have put forth on anyone questioning their agenda.. If you are not a conservative, libertarian, independent, then you would not care, as the demagoguery favors the ones who hold power currently.
                      And I did answer your question multiple times, you just refuse to acknowledge the answer. Why reach out to people who would not have made a wit of difference in your winning? You said it yourself. He would not have won anyway so what is the point of your query if you acknowledge this fact?
                      Quite honestly, Republicans (not the establishment kind) should heed MY advice. Which is much better than any Ron Paul supporters…i.e. challenge the establishment media AND Hollyweird. And drop the compassionate conservative/neo-conservative/religious right garbage, and get back to dollars and cents (or more appropriately, “sense”.

                    • Alan Davis

                      So, not being assured of a win is the exact same thing as making no difference whatsoever? AND instead of forming alliances you suggest brand R should rain down even more hate on an industry (TV) that actually turns a profit. Great, more and more hate. Your brand will need more than luck.

                    • http://www.missmalevolent.com/ Miss Malevolent

                      It sure is, because making alliances with Paulites, as per your own admission would’ve done nothing.

                      As for raining down hate on Hollyweird and the News Media..they don’t. They pretend that Hollyweird is a nuisance. They pay lip service to the bias of the news media at large, but they do nothing to actually challenge. They still allow them to run their Republican debates etc…they don’t challenge the lies that are said, because they foolishly assume that the American public is smarter and CARE about the bias. News flash they don’t.

                      If you don’t challenge Hollweird, or create media that combats it, you’re going to continue to lose by whomever controls the message. To say otherwise is to be disingenuous or worse, clueless.

                    • Alan Davis

                      This is getting redundant. First, I said that not rudely dismissing willing allies was IMO a mistake. that alliance would have done SOMETHING positive. Second, who is “they”?? It sounds rather silly – I can see you now, creating media that combats a soap opera because OMG someone gave some fake TV money to PBS! How horrible!

                    • http://www.missmalevolent.com/ Miss Malevolent

                      Well, then you’re an imbecile, because once again, you latch on to “Soap Opera” to obfuscate the discussion. So I’ll type in bullet points, so you will have a clearer understanding as you’re a bit slow on the uptake.

                      1, Create a media response for the Daily Show, Colbert Report, etc, as these are considered some of the more trusted shows when it comes to news despite the fact they’re comedic in nature AND have a distinct liberal bias.

                      2. Create a context where conservative celebrities, and up and comers don’t have to rely on liberal producers and directors to hire them, so that as they come up, people get to here strong POPULAR celebrities voices with a conservative bent. Instead of the perception that only the old and washed up celebs are conservative/libertarian.

                      3. Don’t rely on the internet to watchdog the media….once again…create a conservative version of the Colbert Report/Daily Show that lampoons the obvious bias. Red Eye is not enough…biting commentary must come from outside of the Fox-hole.

                      4. Don’t just reach out to Ron Paul folks, but also to libertarians…which skew to a younger minded set. Socially liberal but fiscally conservative.

                      And you can cry about Ron Paul all you want..but I guarantee you, he would’ve suffered as much of a defeat as Romney, because as long as you have Hollyweird and a 24 hour news propagandist cycle pumping out the message for Obama..you will not reach the VAST MAJORITY of voters.

                      They would’ve had a field day with Paul’s views on the “theory of evolution”. As well as some of the other statements he’s made in the past.

                      Because it is not about educating the public on what’s important, it’s about razzle dazzle, obfuscation and ridicule. Until you can get through that, you don’t stand a chance.

                      I don’t know how to make it any clearer for you. You’re obviously so wedded to ideology you can’t see the forest for the trees. You want to be so indignant about Paul and his supporters being snubbed, that you’re not seeing the world pass you by. Doesn’t matter if you have good ideas. American public doesn’t care about good ideas. They care about the superficial. And until you can talk to people where they live? You’ll never get them.

                    • scottymac54

                      THANK YOU. I have never been so impressed with any political movement and group of people, as I was with the Ron Paul supporters, particularly the ones who preceded the real “Tea Party” movement, which was coopted by the Republicans to become the neocon clearinghouse and mouthpiece for the establishment “country club” types, to use working people as a bulwark against the left.
                      I lost interest and cut off communication after the Romney bid and the Rand/Ron schism, but those folks were practically the ONLY ones who understood the workings of the Constitution, and the way our system was SUPPOSED to have worked, after all these years.
                      The worst part of it all? Most of these folks would have gladly voted for Romney over Barky, but because of the incredible disrespect, lies, and outright invective they were forced to endure (including more than one NQ regular), they bailed, because the abuse was too much to absorb.
                      In some parts of the country, it was Dr. Paul’s people, and other likeminded individuals, that were doing the establishment GOP’s work for them! They were CARRYING the overstuffed scions of privilege, for the sake of common cause, and were pilloried for their trouble!
                      Again, I warned these people about what was unfolding, and was raked over the coals in a similar manner by the same types, so I utterly believe and agree with what you’ve said above!
                      The worst part? I’ve spoken to many who believe as I do, about the false left/right paradigm, but have chosen to wash their hands of it entirely. And, in many of their comments, it’s clear that they regard this as a permanent choice, and never intend to emerge, as the paradigm is so well entrenched, so well funded by the elites, that they don’t see this changing for many decades.
                      How pathetic is that? The very people, who GET how the system is at least supposed to work, are the ones disenfranchised by the pawns in an artificial struggle.

              • MG6

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                • NellieS

                  Great List Thanks

          • TeakWoodKite

            “Hillary Clinton remains the gold standard”
            BULLSHIT ALERT.

            • scottymac54

              Well, she is, Teak, like it or not.
              Throwbacks like you, onofre, amy, etc. represent the “Bull Connor wing” of what might have been, regarding the GOP.
              Romney lost far more, because of people like you, then people like me, even though it was me, who chose to pull the lever against him.
              Already, candidates like Santorum are lining up to express their intentions to run again in 2016, which makes my decision to return to my lifelong party, if only in name, all the more clear.

              • MG6

                How hypocritical! Wasn’t she accused of being a racist and trying to assassinate Obama? Didn’t Obama give her the middle finger?
                Oh the hypocrisy!!!!!

                • scottymac54

                  The obvious difference is, I was a Hillary supporter at the time, and deplored Obama’s treatment of Hillary at the time.
                  I’m not sure you can fairly compare, the Obama supporters of 2008, with the Obama supporters of 2012.
                  For instance, in 2008, they basically swarmed this site, with filthy, cultlike invective, references to racism, attacks on women, etc.
                  In contrast, in 2012, the “bots” never really numbered more than three or four, and this time, almost universally, and in seemingly intelligent fashion, they put forth thoughtful, challenging comments, in proper English, with spelling, and grammar, tailored to each post. This time, it was the final remnant of NQ regulars who responded with angry, profane rants that frequently bore no resemblance to the question posed, misspelled, sometimes with whole phrases cut off, etc., and there was absolutely no self-policing or attempt at judiciousness in making valid political points. It became obvious, that NQ regulars were not angry, as they said, about 2008, and the swarms of hyped-up Obamaites.
                  It was ALL dissent, against ANY opposing viewpoint, they seeked to block.
                  Romney was held up as an unassailable paragon of virtue, Ann a sweet, fairy-tale queen and matriarch.
                  The roles were reversed, because there was no longer a fight FOR anything or anybody real. It was exclusively anti-Obama, with no other energy driving the writers or commenters.
                  The headlines of unremarkable posts began getting more and more sensationalized, racially inflammatory titles, in order to permeate the right-wing news disseminators’ filters and drive up traffic, the attacks on Hillary now began, and, here we are.
                  You were saying, about “hypocrisy”?

                  • MG6

                    Making outrageous comments designed to distract or frustrate. This is a Saul Alinsky-style tactic employed to stir emotion and angry reactions.
                    Posing as a conservative and making comments that discredit the movement. After claiming to be a member of the movement, such as a tea party organization, the troll then proceeds to post long, incoherent diatribes to appear either racist or insane. In some cases, these “Trojan Horse Trolls” have been known to make posts that advocate or incite to the use of violence in an apparent attempt to provide evidence to leftist critics and government sources that the right is comprised of “radical extremists.”
                    Dominating discussions. Trolls may attempt to throw a discussion off course and frustrate participants whose purpose is to engage in a serious and respectful exchange of views.
                    Posting prewritten responses. Many trolls appear to have been supplied with a list or database of pre-planned “talking points” designed as generalized and deceptive responses to honest arguments. When trolls post prewritten responses, their words typically feel strangely plastic and rehearsed.
                    Making false associations. In this technique, the position of honest posters is characterized in derogatory terms. For example, a troll may call advocates of Federal Reserve reform or abolition “conspiracy theorists” or “lunatics.” Or, by suggesting certain political arguments are “racist” or otherwise outside the accepted confines of serious political discourse, trolls attempt to dissuade readers from examining the evidence objectively.
                    Exhibiting false moderation. By pretending to be the “voice of reason” in an argument with obvious well-defined sides, trolls attempt to move readers to relegate the argument to a “gray area,” such that holding or seriously considering the argument is a leap away from reasoned judgment.
                    Raising straw-man arguments. Here a troll will accuse his opposition of subscribing to a certain point of view, even if the argument is irrelevant and never actually raised.

                  • MG6

                    Ps…
                    “In contrast, in 2012, the “bots” never really numbered more than three or four, and this time, almost universally, and in seemingly intelligent fashion, they put forth thoughtful, challenging comments, in proper English, with spelling, and grammar, tailored to each post.”

                    Spoke like a true racist lefty…

                    • scottymac54

                      I’m guessing they were all white, anyway. Most Obama supporters happen to be white.
                      Methinks you are projecting….
                      Besides, racism is not a crime. And, it never stands still. People change their minds about different groups of people, every day, based on their own personal experiences.

                    • scottymac54

                      Abigail?

                    • http://www.missmalevolent.com/ Miss Malevolent

                      You caught that too, eh? Mac is what I like to call patronizingly racist. The type of racist that says shit like, “He’s very articulate” basically a Biden type.

                      These are the types that watched, Boyz N’ Da Hood on Netflix and think that’s how every black person lives.

                      It’s really kind of sickening especially when you get lectured as a black person by this type of person, who doesn’t realize the irony in them stereotyping you on how and what you SHOULD believe.

                    • MG6

                      Yeah. The so called progressives are more racist and less inclusive. They want everyone to mirror them and their beliefs.
                      The Dems have a history of oppression and they should be shunned.

              • TeakWoodKite

                Hillary is no the “gold standard” of anything.
                Hey asshat..it’s “people like me” that have no ilusions about how your comments reflect the absolute depth of YOUR IGNORANCE and lack of critical think skills.
                Your so full of bullshit you keep your proctologist employed full time. Keep livin the dream asshat.

        • MG6

          Forget it! Scotty is a paid troll on a mission to distort and to distract. Nothing worse then the truth for the trolls, it’s like the sun light which turns them to stone. Ignore them and continue to fight for country.

          • scottymac54

            WHICH country? Would be my question to you!
            Based on your past responses, your true loyalties are not necessarily clear.
            Are you one of the faux-sincere Koch trolls from last year, “free-lancing”?? Are you going to start singing Herman Cain’s praises, next?

            • MG6

              Love Herman Cain…..
              The left brought him down with lies. Where is the woman who accused him? The left got what they wanted. Attack a conservative black is ok but not a lefty.

              • scottymac54

                Get it straight. Attacking a conservative ANYTHING is okay. The race, national origin, religion, creed…whatever.
                It’s this brand of conservatism that needs to be eradicated, IMHO.
                Watching Romney go down in flames was a positive first step, but he’s not even an ideological conservative, and it’s time for the focus to shift to dealing with those who are intent on bringing this nation back to the nineteenth century.

                • MG6

                  “Making outrageous comments designed to distract or frustrate. This is a Saul Alinsky-style tactic employed to stir emotion and angry reactions.”

                  You are indeed a true racist as all Democratic lefty are.

            • NellieS

              How the hell old are you Scottymac??? As a college professor who DONATED time to one summer term for the local Junior/Senior HS each summer, you sound like one of the academic rejects, that we were supposed to attempt to reach and let them know that their education and ability to make a living were related. Does the Obama people waste all that money coming in through Mexico, and the Chinese Obama.com website now actually pay idiots like you to ask incredibly stupid questions or insert totally unrelated comments?? Perhaps you and your colleagues being all about re-distribution can DONATE your monies from dabbling in sewage bilge to all those poor and homeless you accuse the rest of us a being indifferent about!!

              • scottymac54

                After reading the way you categorize and refer to students you are supposed to, and paid to be helping, it reinforces my opinion that we need to cleanse our educational system of ALL conservatives, whether as instructors, administrative staff, and even trained paraprofessionals brought in for specialized training units, remedial coursework, and janitorial and food service staff.
                Our education system is in crisis, and your way of thinking and tactics of full spectrum dominance are the antithesis of learning, in a free and open society.
                We need to stop pretending as if today’s emerging brand of radical conservatism is nothing but another, totally normative, way of political thought, and begin to treat it as what it is, a dangerous, oppressive version of failed policies that breed hatred, resentment, and lack, that is harmful to all children.

          • sowsear1

            Don’t talk to him…and maybe he’ll go away.

            • MG6

              Agreed.

  • scottymac54

    Merry Christmas To Me!
    “The Laura Ingraham Show” is officially shitcanned!
    I predict the end of an era, of right-wing talk radio, is nigh…
    Even media moguls are giving up on hateful, Islamaphobic ideologues that have nothing of substance to say…

    • getfitnow

      I read that her contract is up. She wasn’t dumped. If I’m not mistaken, she’s a single mother–adopted 2 kids, I believe. That’s enough to make one consider all options.

      • scottymac54

        Trust me. That’s not the way it works. She was given no option to exercise.
        It wasn’t like Savage, where his court case came to a close, and he could walk from a gig he despised, only to reappear with a new contract.
        With Ingraham, there will be no contract. She’ll wind up on satellite…
        The two kids? Please….she had no problem with dumping them with whoever watched them, when she was rolling in dough and had no need to.
        While speaking sneeringly of real women with real lives and real problems, who weren’t beqeathed with comparable privilege.

        • Hokma

          Trust you???

          Your brain is so weak you have to wear crutches under your ears.

          • scottymac54

            Go back to listening to Mark Simeone, Motzei Shabbos!

            • Hokma

              jew-hating maggot

              • scottymac54

                No, just a hater of hypocrisy, who wants better radio…

    • http://www.missmalevolent.com/ Miss Malevolent

      She didn’t get dumped, she quit. She’s going to get picked up by some other syndicated conglomerate, something or other.

    • TexMexSoup

      Oh yay!!!! Less grief for the abortion on demand crowd……koooool

      • scottymac54

        If only, Tex. If only….

  • http://twitter.com/thebigotbasher The Bigotbasher

    Republicans, led by Paul Ryan cut $400 million from the President’s request for security at US Consulates and Embassies. How much blood on their hands do they have for that?

    • HARP2

      You don`t know how to research do you ?

      In fact, more House Democrats – 149 of them — voted for the cuts than did House Republicans, of which 147 voted for them.

    • scottymac54

      They don’t care. Blood is their sport, particularly when it’s ours, or those damned darkies that don’t know their place.
      How well did the boy wonder work out for Mitt Romney and Sheldon Adelson?

    • getfitnow

      Well, one would think funds would be dispersed to where they’re needed most. I call it a budget in my household. Was it the Austrian Embassy that purchased a fleet of “green” vehicles? I’m not sure about the country, but when you put this mindless spending against security, anywhere, in the ME on 9/11, it makes no sense.

      • scottymac54

        Green vehicles constitute “wasteful spending” in your eyes?

        Particularly, when they are used to replace truly wasteful vehicles when they are no longer serviceable?

        • Hokma

          Any idea how much money is lost on the production of each Chevy Volt? About $50,000.

          Do you know who pays that? Taxpayers/

          Typical pond scum brain.

          • scottymac54

            My guess would be, that the Chevy Volt, is not the Austrian government’s vehicle of choice.
            If you commute by rail, the “taxpayers” are paying a substantial portion of your daily carfare as well, but you don’t hear my bitching and whining about it.
            By the way, did you get a chance to pick up that anti-perspirant yet?
            This is my personal mission….to convert those who don’t use anti-perspirant, to users of anti-perspirant.

            • Hokma

              You are mentally deficient.

              Regarding trains, that is why they call it “public transportation” – it’s available to the public.

              Someone else’s car is NOT public transportation. So why should my tax dollars pay for it.

              Look don’t bother answering with some other incoherent gibberish. Just go away.

  • Popsmoke

    When we talk about Buffoonery and Baboonery we are talking about Graham and McCain… these two make monkeys look like a superior species compared to humans. They are actually hurting the Benghazi cause not helping it…

    http://video.msnbc.msn.com/martin-bashir/49984602/

    • http://twitter.com/thebigotbasher The Bigotbasher

      John Got Caught Mccain

    • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

      At least on this blog, whose readership know better; whatever ’cause’ you are espousing suffers from your use of “MSNBC” as a supporting source.

      • scottymac54

        Disagree. Because Fox is back to being an unabashed shill for the neocons, rendering them equally useless.
        What CNN makes up for, in ignoring ideological purity and litmus tests, they make up for, in falling down on accuracy, and timeliness.
        So, it’s a wash. The best way of dealing with it, is taking whatever cited network, making allowances for how their own paid-for biases affect the coverage, and judge each piece by its own merits.

        • TexMexSoup

          So fucking what if Fox is shilling for the neocon, don’t watch the station. MSNBC is kill whitey all day everyday, you don’t seem too upset about that.

          I bet you spooged all over yourself when that bucktoothed has been Jaime foxx called obama, Lord and Savior over the weekend.

          • scottymac54

            Classy.

      • Popsmoke

        Do you actually practice law or do you use those scales for dietary concerns?

  • http://twitter.com/thebigotbasher The Bigotbasher

    No major incidents at Embassies or Consulates, until House Rethugs cut the budget. Then so called security experts, living on the teet of wingnut welfare blame President Obama.

    • scottymac54

      Stevens knew he was a loser, as soon as the Turk passed through the gate…
      Consider what it must have felt like, confronted with that stark realization.

      • http://twitter.com/thebigotbasher The Bigotbasher

        Not good and rather than try and gain cheap political points, especially about a man who wanted to be there, why not learn lessons?

        • scottymac54

          They DO NOT BELIEVE that exploiting those deaths are WRONG, to begin with!
          The one kid’s father publicly exploited his OWN SON’S DEATH, on Fox News, to score political points against Obama, for his masters!
          To them, it’s all collateral damage (a philosophy progressives may have to adopt, in order to win).
          What do you suppose they have planned for US, if given half a chance??
          WAKE UP! We don’t owe this filth any explanations, no matter who they are pretending to be this week…

  • buzzlatte3

    Susan Rice: in effect – ” The administration didn’t intend to lie…” So is that an admittance that the Obama administration DID lie?

    weaselzippers.us

    • buzzlatte3

      weaselzippers.us – sorry

  • Popsmoke

    This drum beat of who knew what when or who said shit when is killing not just me but where the rubber meets the road on Benghazi. Like weapons…like training Jihadis…like sending them to screw up Syria… like fucked up interventionist policies. The real issues….

    http://c.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/reawakening-liberty/2012/nov/25/real-question-about-benghazi-was-chris-stevens-cia/

    • scottymac54

      What I, for the life of me, cannot understand is why, WHY, did they choose to drop “Fast and Furious”, a REAL case, with real implications, and a clear route of culpability, in favor of this Libyan idiocy?
      Maybe, because refocusing on the Islamic problem, rather than events closer to home, shed too much daylight on our ass-backwards Middle East policies, and our dissatisfication with being saddled with the same neocon retreads, manifested itself at the polls? Hmmm….
      OR, perhaps the failures of our own intelligence services in other sovereign nations, shone brightly against those pesky drug wars, that we created as well, just south of the border?
      We no longer have the funds for the next foray into Outer Mongolia, and the crusade is failing here at home.
      I find that I now have relatively quibbling difference with Barky’s attempts at reform, but not with the overall objectives.
      I would like for my government to stop killing people indiscriminately, regardless of WHAT party they represent.
      Is that really too much to ask, after all these years of mindless, pointless slaughter?

      • Popsmoke

        Shiiiiit…what’s a few trillion dollars of debt compared to world domination? Oh? Didn’t the Russians try this?

        • scottymac54

          Until the cockeyed, interventionist policies are dropped and repudiated, there’s no reason to expect anything different.
          It’s a fixed agenda.

  • Popsmoke

    We are losing the fight on Benghazi….

    • shelldoll2

      Agreed.

  • http://twitter.com/thebigotbasher The Bigotbasher

    For Republicscum, just stop calling yourselves Conservatives, you shame every other Conservative controlled Nation.

    Why were these less important?

    June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.

    February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Truck bomb kills 17.

    February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.

    July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan Suicide bomber kills two.

    December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.

    March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.

    September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.

    January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.

    July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.

    March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana’a, Yemen Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls’ school instead.

    September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana’a, Yemen Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.

    Not forgetting September 11th.

    I guess trying to get Republicans elected means this is no longer anything to do with security whatsoever. Thousands of US soldiers die for a lie, plus hundreds of thousands of civilians Not an issue. Four die in one terrorist outrage under President Obama, biggest issue ever.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Okay moron, you asked. What’s the difference? NO ONE IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION BLAMED ANY OF THOSE ATTACKS ON SOME STUPID, IRRELEVANT VIDEO.

      Moreover, Rice is lying about the what the intel actually stated. And, if your head was not jammed so far up your own ass, you would acknowledge that I was one of the first to criticize Bush for a trumped up lie to start an unnecessary war in Iraq.

      So, FUCK OFF!

      • http://twitter.com/thebigotbasher The Bigotbasher

        45 minutes, WMDs, etc, etc.

        John Mccain, a man who put the security of others at risk by getting caught said of Condi Rice that challenges on her personal integrity were a disgrace.

        Anyway you are not going to believe anyone outside of your Fox Bubble so you will continue to have to sell Amazon advertising, rather than walk the DOD again.

        Even your propaganda outlet agrees. One incident was caused because of an idiot, spread deliberately to create trouble, the other incident on the same night was a terrorist outrage that took advantage of the first.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sgNoiTgssSU&noredirect=1

      • shelldoll2

        Mr. Johnson give it up. I want to know where the antiwar movement is now. Crickets.

      • http://twitter.com/thebigotbasher The Bigotbasher

        Prove Rice was telling lies about the intel. What has become clear is that there were two incidents, one at the Embassy and one at the Consulate. One was caused by the video which had rather strange forces stirring it up (no need to look too closely around here). The other incident took advantage of the first. Now there is a proper security investigation going on how one led to the other but trying to claim an initial Sunday quote as some big conspiracy theory is something really special for someone who claims credibility in matters of security.

        • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

          Because I have seen the goddamn intel. She’s lying her ass off.

          • Mike Monroe

            How the fuck do you know what the head of the CIA and DNI said behind closed doors? You are so full of shit. You are only getting the Republican spin as to what was said behind closed door. Peter King a hard core Republican who was at those closed door sessions said that Petraeaus signed off on the changes to the talking points and agreed with them. It was U.S. security agencies that took Al Qaeda out of the talking points and Petreaus approved. Again Larry Johnson you are so full of shit and so out of the loop. Stop your bullshiting!

    • scottymac54

      That was the crux of one commenter on that bastion of truth, justice, and the “American Way”….Fox News, of course.
      The guest squarely laid the blame of the manufactured hype regarding Benghazi, on Fox News’ distorted reporting.
      The interviewer, predictably, countered by whining, “But what about “The Four”, who were killed?”
      Without missing a beat, the guest asked how many contractors in Iraq had also been killed, went on to remind him that it was probably in the thousands, and why weren’t THOSE deaths, used for the same type of politicized fodder?
      And the interview was quickly concluded….
      It’s ugly. But we can go one-for-one, for as long as conditions demand it.

  • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

    It was these words spoken at the end of Senator Graham’s first statement disparaging Ms. Rice, before Senator Ayotte repeated his sentiment – yes, she is a woman, attacking Ms. Rice’s credentials – which I wish had not been uttered almost as a ‘throwaway line’: “3 weeks before an election.” Because whatever truths the Administration and its affiliated campaign meant to hide about the murders of our personnel in Libya, in addition to the involvement of al Qaeda; it was the proximity of the debacle and, the upcoming national election, which best explains the resulting lies.

  • scottymac54

    A total non-issue. The president always picks his Secretary of State, and it will be accepted without backtalk, unless you’d prefer someone of Samantha Power’s ilk…
    You may not see the wisdom of this particular choice, at this particular point of time, but her experiences match up well with the administration’s emerging foreign policy objectives.
    Furthermore, there is no longer anyone more qualified for the position.

    • Popsmoke

      I would take Rice over Sam Powers any day of the week, hour or new york minute…

      • scottymac54

        You and me both….and that reality is precisely why Barky will choose Ms. Rice, there will be much sound and fury, signifying nothing, and soon thereafter, we’ll be treated to the next regularly scheduled outrage.

        • Popsmoke

          Best to you and your family Scotty!

    • http://twitter.com/thebigotbasher The Bigotbasher

      I think the nomination of Samantha Power is so obvious that people will just end up laughing at people like StandDown Mccain and his fellow travelers. Re-elected President Obama has not even nominated anyone yet. As it currently stands, Hillary Clinton remains Secretary of State.

      There is no story here. Just a bunch of crazed Republicans trying to jump up something that is not there.

      If Republicans were so concerned about security at US Consulates in the Middle East, then they should have agreed the President’s request to increase funding. Instead they cut funding.

      • scottymac54

        Hillary will not leave office if a suitable replacement does not pass muster, so fuck the conservatives, and refocus on what is important, namely 1) the new tax structure, 2) a fairer, more even-handed approach to foreign policy worldwide, and 3) unapologetic, strong progressive appointments to SCOTUS.
        If these objectives can be met in a timely fashion, I’ll be satisfied, and will repudiate my past claims to the contrary.

        • TexMexSoup

          You forgot amnesty for the beaners there buddy or are they not your type of brown?

          • scottymac54

            You probably should be in some sort of talk therapy, if you intend to continue infesting this planet.

        • Fred82

          The Left’s foreign policy is what one could call hot garbage.

          Likewise, there is nothing progressive about most of the Left’s platforms and a new tax structure would not solve anything. If anything, it would lead to even more expensive bureaucracy.

          • scottymac54

            We’ll try it anyway! Something will work!

      • Popsmoke

        Yeah no story here…

        CIA used a consulate as a ops base… Now other countries will be watching our embassies and consulates and DIPs much more closely.

        Training and arming jihadis (you know the bad guys) and sending them into Syria on our dime. You know taxpayer dollars?

        Yep! No story here!

        • http://twitter.com/thebigotbasher The Bigotbasher

          Not the story the GOP wants, nor the story a so called expert on security wants. The GOP cut $400 million from the budget request of the President.

          • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

            That money had nothing to do with the security in place, or rather, not in place in Benghazi. Repeating Admin talking points ignores the actual facts on the ground.

          • scottymac54

            Exactly why the military budget should be scrutinized, and the officers’ purge continued.

        • Fred82

          They already were watching our embassies closely.

          Do you really think that the Russians or Chinese were allowing our diplomats and embassy personnel free reign to go where they choose without subjecting them to surveillance? I don’t think so.

          Of course it’s not like al Qaida never attacked our embassies before. For that matter, there were two major attacks on US embassies back in 1979.

          • Popsmoke

            Fred,
            When was the last time we violated international law by allowing the CIA to use a consulate as an actual covert operating base? Hugh difference here than a station running agents.
            This bullshit about Rice is smoke and a set up for Kerry’s nomination…The real issues will not be deposed and politics will win out. A loss to the american public…

            • Fred82

              Given that the rest of the World, including the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, and Saudis use consulates as bases for espionage, subversion, and covert operations, I fail to see where international law makes any sense or is relevant here.

              In fact, given the tendency of entities to project upon their enemies, those who attack our embassies probably view them as dens of subversion and espionage. In fact, the stated motivations of attackers often says just that.

              • Popsmoke

                Fred,
                The russians an chinese do not run Benghazi type of operations out of their embassies and consulates.. Believe it or not, they are not that stupid.

  • Dissentispatriotic

    Democrats have their talking points about the Rice lies and any possible confirmation hearings: How would it look for 2 old white men to take on a black woman?
    This is essentially saying that we, the public, especially if we are white or male, may not ever criticize a black female political appointee. This comes in pretty handy when you’re trying to duck and cover over every issue. You can just scream racism and whip up the frenzy. I’m sick to death of it.

  • getfitnow

    She’s incompetent—like her boss.

    • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

      You ask, “Who ordered the ‘stand down.’”

      Why, the ‘campaign,’ of course, the same people who ordered the change in Benghazi talking points, just weeks before the general election (and who one-and-a-half years earlier formulated the long-form birth certificate advertisement that launched the President’s bid for re-election).

      • Hokma

        The “stand down” and the declining of additional security is where Obama can and hopefully will be in trouble.

        • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

          When you say, “in trouble,” do you mean, in jeopardy of losing his job? Because I don’t think exercising poor discretion in security matters is impeachable. But I do think that relegating an authority solely reserved to the Executive, such as national security; to his political campaign will get him out of there, whether this was done for the purpose of maximizing chances he will be re-elected.

          • Hokma

            That is what I was refering to. Yes, bad decisions will not get you impeached. But abuse of office will. A thorough and unfettered investigation could and likely will show that national security (life and death) decisions were made by his campaign to get foster a false campaign narrative.

            1. The decision to decline added security

            2. The decision not to send in help when the attack happened.

            3. The immediate and premeditated deception that became a over up of facts.

            All this to foster a false narrative for his campaign to re-elect.

            I have little doubt that as this unravels there will be more and more hard evidence making this case including emails and testimony.

            I agree with Dem pundit Kirstin Powers that a nomination of Rice to SoS will be Obama’s undoing.

  • HELENK2

    just what is considered “actionable” intelligence??

    e-mails saying hey we need more security do not seem to be

    live pictures of people shooting and running over a consulate do not seem to be

    prior attacks do not seem to be

    Rice was just covering for backtrack and the payback will be her nomination for SOS.
    Truth is not important to this bunch. Giving answers to the American people is just so yesterday.
    The American people should just shut up , sit down and pay as many taxes as possible and expect nothing in return.
    It is the NEW democratic way

    • http://twitter.com/thebigotbasher The Bigotbasher

      When is truth ever important to you?

      • buzzlatte3

        …it was sarcasm

  • Hokma

    Do you think this was a trial balloon by Obama to see how she would do and how much support she would get?

    I think that if he did nominate Rice he would be opening up a can of worms over Benghazi and inviting even more exposure and investigation.

    • getfitnow

      I’d like to think the “can” has been opened. But, I fear this may go the way of Fast and Furious. Shameful.

    • Dissentispatriotic

      Obama don’t need no stinking trial balloons. He does what he damn well pleases.

      • Hokma

        Of course. How could I have thought otherwise. and everyone will fall in line and RHINOs will just fold.

  • elizabethrc

    Does it surprise anyone that Obama is intent on putting incompetents (his intellectual peers) into important positions as long as they have one qualification…that they be black?
    Pravda’s comments that American illiterates elected Obama is right on target, perhaps the only time I’ve agreed with Pravda.
    Since Obama came into office, the high standards which guided America’s destiny have gone down the chute faster than an interior decorator on roller skates and expectations are so low now that even I could be President (and that is a really, really low standard).
    Blacks would do well to cool it and step their rhetoric back a few decibels. They’re angering a lot of the people who are tired of their incessant, lying cries of racism.

    • scottymac54

      “Blacks would do well to cool it and step their rhetoric back a few decibels….”

      What makes you think they’d listen to you?

      Moreover, why, in God’s Name, would they?

      “high standards which guided America’s destiny..”, my ass.

    • http://lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com/ Canaan

      Well, under Obama, SoS is reduced to taking the lunch order of the Muslim Brotherhood — and that includes Secretary Clinton — why waste someone of the highest talent? I’m sure Ambassador Rice is qualified to ask “would you like a sliced tomato with that, President Morsi?”

      For appearance’s sake, POTUS can’t be seen freshening up Morsi’s martini. State can handle that.

    • elijahzabmom

      Um please stop ranting about “blacks” and “their” ranting. Black Americans aren’t one group and WE don’t have a spokesperson.
      THANK YOU KINDLY!

      • TexMexSoup

        Face the music my friend the majority of blacks have become zombies to the obama cause and are hell bent on destroying everything in their path. Just yesterday, a long time colleague of mine went nuts on me because I didn’t vote for obama. She had him on a pedestal and was going off on white people which I still don’t get if obama thanks to a white woman was born. The hatred is unnerving.

        But I get your point it’s like automatically being called a Mexican because I’m Hispanic.

      • KenoshaMarge

        The problem is that the media has offered up bigots like Clyburn and morons like Al Sharpton as the voice of African Americans. When a vast majority of Black Americans support Obama based on nothing more concrete than his skin color it makes other Americans believe it.

        The voices of the good and great Black Americans, I think of Thomas Sowell and Walter Russel Mead as just two examples, are heard for far too few.

        Conservatives know there are other voices of Black America because we hear, read, see them. The rest of America is basically told that any AA that doesn’t support Obama is an Uncle Tom/Aunt Jemima.

        The most oft repeated narrative is far too often accepted by most citizens as the truth. Sadly.

      • elizabethrc

        Elijah: Umm, perhaps you didn’t notice but the first ones who always bring up the racial attacks ARE blacks and it was they who opened the racism attacks about Rice. When they stop their completely unfounded attacks and accusations against whites I’ll stop ranting and not before.
        I am not your spokesman (obviously), nor do I wish to be. I speak for myself. As far as not having a spokesman, have you not heard of the Congressional Black Caucus, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and most of the black ‘anchors’ on cable? I suggest you DO have spokespeople!
        What would you think about setting up a Congressional White Caucus?

        • KenoshaMarge

          But that would be, gasp, racist.

        • elijahzabmom

          Toure gets an international platform as a pundit on MSNBC. I am ONE black woman and the only thing I can do is voice my dissent on internet comment boards. He does NOT speak for me, I am an individual and politically independent. This is a man who believed the scuba diver pic during hurricane Sandy and I was highly offended by his remarks blaming African slaves for being raped and tortured. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the CBC, or any other infamous Black American speak for THEMSELVES and their supporters. I would never assume that Hannity speaks for all conservatives or NoQuarter is representative of all PUMAS’s and ex Dems.

          I’m not about to play this with you. I think you know why groups like the CBC, LULAC, La Raza, AARP, Log Cabin Republicans, ect. exist. If you want to create a White Civil Rights group that has nothing to do with me…

          • elizabethrc

            No one is ‘asking’ you to play this with me. I state my opinions freely (like you). If you consider that anywhere between 93 and 98% of blacks voted for Obama, does that not suggest something akin to their being “one group” in political thinking?

  • KenoshaMarge

    Evidently the left doesn’t think she has the gravitas to be SoS either or their wouldn’t have to roll out their endless insistence that the only reason anyone is picking on the poor things is that she’s female and black. If they had better arguments they would/should use them. However they have become so intellectually and morally empty that all they can think to do is race-bait or weep crocodile tears because the big mean mens is picking on a gurl.

    I waited most of my life to see women, of any color, in positions of importance. What I want from them is the same as from a man, competence, character and honesty. This woman seems to fail on all three. So far as I know competence, character and honesty have neither color nor gender.

    If she can’t take the heat, she better damn well not be put in the kitchen!

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Amen!! You are correct.

    • getfitnow

      The only thing she has going for her is her gender and skin color.

      • Popsmoke

        Rice makes Maddie Albright look like Mother Teresa…

        • scottymac54

          LOL! But, it’ll take a strong woman, to try and fill Hillary’s shoes.
          Obama will get whomever he is told, to want.

    • Dissentispatriotic

      Oh no. You’re wrong about the label incompetent. Just listen to James Clyburn cuz he’ll tell you “incompetent” is a dog whistle. Isn’t everything?

      • KenoshaMarge

        Maybe Clyburn should see a doctor about all those “dog whistles” he’s always hearing. Or perhaps it’s more a problem with integrity than hearing.

    • Fred82

      Well…….

      It’s kind of typical when it comes to the current batch of narcissists in America. They tend to want all of the power and benefit yet none of the responsibility that comes with being on the big stage.

      They don’t hold up very well when things start going bad either.

      • KenoshaMarge

        They don’t need to hold up, the media props them up, ignores their mistakes and praises them for anything remotely looking like a positive. By the time the media gets done praising their every deed or utterance the narcissists are portrayed as brilliant philanthropists to all mankind. Well excluding old, white male mankind of course. Well including the old, white, lib males of course.

        The deceptions and misconceptions and distortions make any kind of clarity next to impossible. Which is exactly what they want. Because it’s not as if most readers/viewers know much of anything since they get their misinformation from the mostly liberal liars in the MSM.

  • DianaLC

    “Let me reiterate–the only reason that Rice is even being considered for SecState is because she is black woman.” LJ, I may have to disagree with you here. I do remember another “black woman” named Rice who would not be nominated by this POTUS. She’s a black woman who does the goose step to O’s agenda. That’s why she was nominated.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Her skin color and sex are not what make her willing to kowtow to Obama. That’s the point.

  • democrat1

    Just like the boob BO