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The Syrian Chemical Weapon Canard

Here we go again. Obama, not wanting to be outdone by George W. Bush, is jumping on the bandwagon decrying the mythical use of Syrian Chemical weapons, specifically Sarin. The Washington Post helped spread the propaganda yesterday (Wednesday, 5 December):

President Obama warned Syria on Monday that deploying chemical weapons is “totally unacceptable,” after what U.S. officials said were new intelligence reports that the Damascus government is preparing such munitions for possible use.

Obama told the government of President Bashar al-Assad that “there will be consequences, and you will be held accountable” if it used any part of its stockpile of chemical weapons, including sarin gas, the deadly nerve agent.

A U.S. intelligence official said “we have pretty good visibility” into Syria’s depots, and a second U.S. official said intelligence gathered in recent days has raised alarms. The second official said it was unclear whether the Assad government planned to move beyond the preparation stage to deploying the weapons.

What a crock of fetid feces!

Pat Lang weigh’s in with his take:

1 – The same two propagandists from WINEP and ISW are quoted as the main sources of this article as in so many other propaganda pieces on this theme and subject. These two fellows have no sources of information that they will admit to other than rebel “news” releases. The level of enthusiasm for this information campaign is so high in the idiot media that these two “experts’” opinions are now quoted as evidence.

2 – Both the president of the United States and the Secretary of State have taken to making speeches threatening Syria with unspecified “consequences” if chemical weapons are employed in the civil war. Syria states that it will not do so.

3- It seems that the United States will soon recognize a coalition of rebel groups as the government of Syria in spite of the presence in that coalition of AQ related groups who are self-declared enemies of the United States.

4- It is the policy of the United States to bring about complete governmental change in Syria. There is no UN sanction for such a policy.

Pat is spot on (as always). Chemical weapons are first and foremost area weapons employed against massed forces. Such weapons, despite the Hollywood scare associated with them, are not terribly effective as a strategic weapon. We saw that first hand in the Iran Iraq War in the 80s.

First there is the problem of delivery. Those weapons must be delivered in massive quantity. It can be done via aerial bombardment or artillery. But we’re not talking one or two bombs. It must be several and must saturate an area. Then there is the issue of weather. Is the wind blowing? Which direction? Is there rain? Weather is unpredictable, which makes the effective delivery very difficult. When the Japanese tested these type of weapons in World War II their troops spent more time running from the cloud of gas they launched than pressing an attack. Even the Japs realized it was not very useful.

It is one thing to drop these weapons on a battlefield where the opposing sides are dug in–trench warfare. At least you have a captive audience and an open field. But in a city? As wind moves through a city, which has ten story buildings, the dispersal of the chemical is very unpredictable. The biggest effect is psychological.

Finally, there is the matter of target. The Syrian rebels are not organized in battalions and regiments. They are not moving en masse. Using chemical weapons on isolated pockets of rebels who can easily flee once an attack starts. Chemical weapons are essentially useless against rebel forces. They can be used to disrupt an invading force, but that’s not the situation in Syria.

The Obama Administration appears hell bent on ousting Assad. And replace him with what? The effective fighting force among the rebels are Sunni jihadists with direct ties to Al Qaeda in Iraq. This is insanity. If Assad goes are we so naive to believe that the jihadists will lay down their weapons and agree to a democratic solution? Yes, Obama is that goddamned naive. What is shocking is that Hillary is signed on to this madness as well.

We already see the results of our “success” in helping oust Mubarak in Egypt. Ditto Libya. We are helping create more instability rather than order. The mindless saber rattling of Panetta and Clinton vowing that the chemical weapons are a redline that we will not tolerate is idiotic. Are they really ready to commit more US troops to a new war in Syria? Do they really believe we can put troops into that country and the folks will come out with flowers and wine to welcome us? We have been down this road once before in Iraq–a trumped up invasion based on a lie.

Looks like Obama wants his own bite at that poison apple. Bon appetit.

  • HELENK2

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/12/08/report-assads-inner-circle-debating-if-they-should-use-wmds-against-rebel-forces-closing-in-on-damascus/

    debate among assad’s inner circle on the use of wmds.

    the fact that these fruitcakes are even debating it is scarey

  • HELENK2

    Egypt’s President Morsi annuls constitutional decree expanding his powers – @EgyIndependent, @AlArabiya_Eng

  • buzzlatte3

    We have no money but the US keeps sending billions to – wait for it – refurbish mosques in the Middle East. Grrrrrrrrrrr!

  • HELENK2
  • MG6

    Does this mean we don’t have a real President. Jbjd, what is your take on this?

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/can-obama-be-impeached/

  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2

    way way off topic

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51564

    change in medical privacy law made in 2012.
    please read it involves all of us

  • TeakWoodKite

    From a military point of the state, these weapons as you said are a fickle but deadly indiscrimanent WMD. Perhaps a state would be commiting suicide using them. My strong concern is that these weapons will make into the “hands” of Jhadist… that transfer is statistically a more faint probability.

    The Wingnuts will blow themselves up in the name of some deranged view of Wally World…Big Bird With a vest..what is the difference if it’s a car bomb with a few shells parked next to…

    It’s all about death. It is on Obama’s watch this happened and with his encouragement. Dirty bomber in chief, Barry Soetoro.

    • HARP2

      Let them start at the headquarters of ABC….NBC…and CBS.
      Maybe then the media will question Barry about the bad guys being decimated.

  • HELENK2
  • Popsmoke
    • HELENK2

      popsmoke

      you would like this site. some of the most amazing pictures from space. I go there everyday for a just because

      http://129.164.179.22/apod/ap121207.html

      • HELENK2

        sorry I do not know why the link will not work on discus anymore.
        it is a NASA site

        astronomy picture of the day

      • Popsmoke

        Way way too cool…. Tks

  • HELENK2

    OFF TOPIC

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/12/07/71-years-after-pearl-harbor-a-news-article-on-the-attack-is-published-for-the-first-time/

    a first hand account of the attack on Pearl Harbor is published for the first time 71 years later

    it is an awesome read

  • HELENK2

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/russia-arms-syria-with-powerful-ballistic-missiles/

    Russia sends Iskander missiles to Syria in retaliation of Patriot missiles being sent to Turkey

  • HELENK2

    State Newspaper Al Ahram reports that the cabinet has approved a law
    which Morsy will soon issue allowing military to arrest civilians.

    this is not going to end well

    • TeakWoodKite

      Ole OOO, Le ooolaa

  • MG6
    • HELENK2

      will the muslims burn the church on their way out???

  • akaPatience

    Maybe the Obama/Clinton/Panetta outrage is feigned in an attempt to mitigate/overshadow/justify the story reported 2 days ago in the NYT re: the US’ partnership with Qatar to supply arms to Libyan rebels resulted in those arms falling into the hands of Al Qaeda-linked jihadists in Mali and possibly Syria and elsewhere:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  • HELENK2
  • KenoshaMarge

    You raised the question that has concerned me the most: who will replace Assad? And to recognize the group that is likely controlled by Al Qaeda is insane! Obama and his little band of amateurs are not only foolish beyond belief, they are dangerous to the entire region.

    This is what happens when you vote for someone because they promised you a free cell phone and other freebies.

    • TeakWoodKite

      And condoms

      • KenoshaMarge

        Ah yes, condoms. Actually I’ve come to approve of “free” condoms for parasites. Less of them doncha know.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/6/muslim-brotherhood-inherits-us-war-gear/

    this is just peachy, we supply weapons to Egypt now run by the muslim brotherhood

  • DianaLC

    FOX had its panties all tightened up last night about this. McCain, as usual, was wanting action.
    I would just like the Muslim fanatics and their dictators all to get into a circle and play chicken with each other.
    I am so very sick of the Middle East, though I am also very sad for the women (those who haven’t been brainwashed into the fanaticism) and the little children—and, of course, the remaining Christians in the region.

  • Heather Stein

    “Yes, Obama is that goddamned naive. What is shocking is that Hillary is signed on to this madness as well.”

    I guess the Europeans are as well, and the Turks and the Israelis and many others.

    The U.S. is really not influencing events in Syria, as it did not in Egypt or Libya. The people are. This will in all likelihood play out over some period of time with Assad leaving, as more of his inner circle abandon him. So what are you suggesting? The U.S. do absolutely nothing and then have no influence on a new Syria that will inevitably evolve.

    What do you think of the recent defection of Syrian foreign ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi, who was the guy six months ago publicly saying that Syria would never use chemical weapons? Coincidence? Maybe he left because he did not like the fact that they were moving toward using chemical weapons.

    By the way it is apparently Israeli intelligent sources who told the U.S. and Europe that the Syrian regime may be preparing to us their stockpile of chemical weapons. So I would agree, with anything from Israel I would take with a huge grain of salt, as they always have their own agenda.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/03/world/middleeast/syria-moves-its-chemical-weapons-and-gets-another-warning.html?ref=world&_r=0

    Also, I agree it would not be easy for Assad to use chemical weapons given the mixed population and the difficulty of targeting. However, Saddam Hussien had no problem using his chemical weapons against the unorganized Kurds. He gassed entire villages. You never know what a desperate regime will do.

    “We are helping create more instability rather than order.”

    So you think it is the job of the U.S. to create stability in the Middle East? How would you have proposed that? Should we have supported the Mubarak and Qaddafi regimes to violently suppress their people when they rose up? Come one. Get real. Revolutions to move toward freedom and away from a tyrant are rarely stable. Just look at American history.

    By the way it is your party, the Republicans, who are pushing Obama to do more in Syria. Why don’t you write a post criticizing your Republican Party? They have been pushing for far more military action in the Middle East than Democrats and Obama have.

    “Representative Mike Rogers, a Michigan Republican who heads the House Intelligence Committee, declined to comment on the new intelligence reports but said in a statement late Sunday: “We are not doing enough to prepare for the collapse of the Assad regime, and the dangerous vacuum it will create. Use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime would be an extremely serious escalation that would demand decisive action from the rest of the world.”

    • Van_Dessel

      Both parties are terrible. But this well-Bush-did-it-so-can-we-democrats-what’s-the-problem-it’s-only-fair is highly insulting to anyone who can think critically.

      Do you think everyone on here marches to the beat of the Republican party? You can keep your Democrat/Republican cult games. American citizens deserve better from both sides.

      • Heather Stein

        Larry Johnson is a register Republican and yes I think almost every NQbot dance to the beat of the Republican party or Tea Party. That is the history.

        • Hokma

          I am going to take a shot at this but you appear to be a very lonely, inseure person, with no friends (other than your alter egos), and no self-respect. Because all of your posts are empty Obama rhetoric and offer no subatance worth responding to.

          • Bobby Filmor

            And yet you just responded. How stupid are you?

            • Hokma

              Exactly how many more names are you going use nut job? Go back into your basement

        • Fred82

          You do know that Larry has been quite critical of the Republicans on more than a few occasions, don’t you?

          • Bobby Filmor

            Larry Johnson critical of the Republicans? That is funny! He finally just wrote a mildly critical post on Bush, a real easy target. I guess he did not want to say anything bad about the Republicans or Romney (carrying a lot of water for them) over the last 2 years of the election and primary campaigns, as he was trying to get them elected.

            Funny thing is Obama’s foreign policy seems to line up much more closely to Larry Johnson’s foreign policy prescriptions, certainly more than they line up with those of the Republicans.

        • HARP2

          The only reason you don`t like the tea party is because of the whooping they gave you in 2010 and took the house back from the maniacs running it.

          DEAL WITH IT SUCKER.

        • TeakWoodKite

          I am a kite and the only thing I dance to is the wind. And only god can judge me. You wish to confirm the connective structure of your own existance by defining others… You are more adrift than Wilson.

      • shelldoll2

        Agreed. They seem to forget that our current POTUS is a Democrat.

        When GWB was overthrowing people he was a war mongering murderer.
        Obama does it? He’s promoting democracy.

        Some of us here are Democrats. Some are Independents. Some are Republicans.

        We are not a monolith.

        What I think most of us have in common is we are not into a cult of personality. We want our government, that belongs to We The People, to follow the Constitution. That’s an oath all of our elected officials take. Too bad they don’t take it seriously.

        Too many of our elected “representatives” ain’t representin’.

      • Fred82

        Right on. Right on.

        I think many of us are totally disgusted with both parties and are simply going with the better or less bad candidates.

        Personally, I don’t like either party very much. However, I stand by my decision to vote for Romney as he was clearly the better candidate of the two presented at our last presidential election.

    • Popsmoke

      Naive? Yes you resemble that remark…
      Yes both Murbarak and Qaddafi were assholes. But they were OUR assholes. We had a vested interested in keeping them in power. While heavy handed they kept tribal things stable and the extremists out. I guess you do not unstane the Sunni and Shia civil disputes. Now we have the entire MENA region out of control and that Ms. Stein is not a good thing for anyone. By the way, the republicans? While opening their mouths they are just as complicit in this screw up as the democrats. However the blame here falls on POTUS and SECSTATE. Everyone on this site knows that I am an equal opportunity critics….Now call me partisan…
      We americans have to stop thinking that every nation wants to be like ours and believes as we do. That is stupid shit….

      • TeakWoodKite

        Ain’t life F*ing great? (Zappa)

      • Bobby Filmor

        So what exactly are you suggesting the America should have supported Mubarak and Qaddafi in violently surpressing their people. You are nuts!
        What exact interests did the U.S. have in keeping Mubarak and Qaddafi in power? Again you are nuts!
        What “screw up” are you talking about?

        • Hokma

          “But they were OUR assholes. ”

          Two assholes in the room. One wants to work with you and the other wants to work against you. Who do you support?

          Get lost idiot and go back to your basement. You may keep changing names but you have the exact same dumb comments.

        • Popsmoke

          Got some real shocking news for you there Bobby. The world is a very cold place and I might add not like home either. I take it you have never been out of your back yard. Yes both Mubarak and Qaddafi were not eagle scouts. But they were the lesser of the evils both secular and while very heavy handed they maintained stability and order in countries that makes the wild west look like Oz. Take a hard look at what is happening in Egypt right now. Folk there are now finding out that life was a better deal under Mubarak. What your getting now is a new breed of dictator. Islamic dictators..
          So Bobby count your luck stars you were born in a Federal Republic where life is good, even in our worse times.
          Otherwise listen and learn before you engage that shallow brain of yours….

    • Popsmoke
    • TeakWoodKite

      “We are not doing enough to prepare for the collapse of the Assad regime, and the dangerous vacuum it will create.”

      So you disagree with that statement?

  • HARP2

    It will be interesting to see if the media even remember today is Pearl Harbor debacle.

  • DM

    My guess is that Syria has oil that Turkey and Europe want.

  • HELENK2

    BreakingNews: Syrian security forces shell residential areas in Maadamiya, Darya countryside in Damascus: media center

  • no_longer_a_democrat

    I have been wondering the same, if Assad goes, who replaces him?!? What happens to all the minorities, namely christians, there? as well as any others of any religion who just want to be left alone and live there lives.
    As for this chemical weapons threat, I don’t, the whole Bush with his “yellow cake” lines at the UN comes back to my mind. Today on Fox, there was a general on, who said, just because the weapon had been mixed does not mean it is weaponized and will be used, maybe its a way for Assad to plea for asylum somewhere? I honestly have no clue as to any of this, the truth, the nontruths… after the Bush years, I’ve become pretty skeptical of anything I hear on the news

    I found this at ZeroHedge, many of these “rebels” are openly saying, first get rid of Assad, then comes getting rid of the US… their exact words.

    Here is the article:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-04/guest-post-why-us-allied-al-qaeda-syria

    from the article:

    “From McClatchy:

    QALAT AL MUDIQ, Syria — When the group Jabhat al Nusra first
    claimed responsibility for car and suicide bombings in Damascus that
    killed dozens last January, many of Syria’s revolutionaries claimed that
    the organization was a creation of the Syrian government, designed to
    discredit those who opposed the regime of President Bashar Assad and to
    hide the regime’s own brutal tactics.

    Nearly a year
    later, however, Jabhat al Nusra, which U.S. officials believe has links
    to al Qaida, has become essential to the frontline operations of the
    rebels fighting to topple Assad.

    The prominence of Nusra in the rebel cause worries U.S. and other Western officials, who say its operations rely on the same people and tactics that fueled al Qaida in Iraq – an assertion that is borne out by interviews with Nusra members in Syria.

    Among Nusra fighters are many Syrians who say they fought with al
    Qaida in Iraq, which waged a bloody and violent campaign against the
    U.S. presence in that country and is still blamed for suicide and car
    bombings that have killed hundreds of Iraqis since the U.S. troops left a
    year ago.

    Nusra’s rise is most evident in Syria’s north and east, where
    anti-Assad forces have recently been racking up impressive military
    gains. Gone are the days just five months ago when Nusra’s actions
    seemed limited to car and suicide bombings. Now, Nusra fighters are
    organized in battalion-sized groups that are often armed with heavy
    weaponry.

    “When we finish
    with Assad, we will fight the U.S.!” one Nusra fighter shouted in the
    northeastern Syrian city of Ras al Ayn
    when he was told an American
    journalist present. He laughed as he said it and then got into a van and drove off, leaving the journalist unable to ask whether it had been a joke.

    • HARP2

      Right on.
      Christians are doing just fine in Egypt…./s

  • HELENK2

    thank you.

    there have been so many different stories, and these fruitcakes are so unreliable I was not sure what to believe.
    with both sides having chemical weapons it is a very scary time and the last thing we need is propaganda about them.

    question
    why is the US so interested in overturning governments in the ME? They never replace the one in place with one that is in our best interest.

    Other then helping the muslim brotherhood what has backtrack done in the ME?

    as much as I can not stand backtrack, I would not want a foreign nation coming in and replacing our government

    • HARP2

      I would not want a foreign nation coming in and replacing our government
      ——————————————-

      Too late I`m afraid.

      • elizabethrc

        Unfortunately, you’re right. We refer to it as “Mr. President”.

        • TeakWoodKite

          Not me..

  • HARP2

    Personally I am beyond caring if they just keep on killing each other.
    Obama just wants to install MB that will continue hating us no matter what.
    If the Muslim countries are THAT upset about it…..let them send troops to fix things.Until they do that…….piss off UN and NATO.