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Newtown CT School Shooting Open Thread–UPDATE

By Larry Johnson on December 14, 2012 at 2:51 PM in Current Affairs

This is so mindless and senseless. It is one thing to be angry with your parent. When that anger inspires you to shoot your mother and her class of kindergarteners, that is totally insane. There is no “explanation” for this.

I cannot begin to imagine the horror and nightmare that is now reality for those parents who lost their child today.

I’m sure you have some thoughts.

UPDATE: Well, the usual suspects have shown up in the media with the inane, feckless policy recommendations — more school security and more gun control. Yes, if we lived in a magic world where no guns existed then it would be possible to eliminate firearms and prevent them from falling into the hands of criminals and crazies.

But we don’t live in “Magic World.” We live in the real world and there is no way to eliminate firearms. So, grow up and face facts. Guns are here to stay. While Barack Obama did a great job of being mourner in chief today, he fumbled it by his lame attempt to insist that the Federal Government must do something to stop this. He still does not understand human nature.

Then there is the hysteria about school security. JESUS JUDAS AND JOSEPH!! Has anyone paid attention to the fact that the school where this incident took place had a lockout policy in place? The kid who shot up the place was buzzed into the school by someone. A sad reminder that there is no such thing as fool proof security.

I’m sure some will insist a cop should have been at the door checking all people trying to gain entrance. That will be fine until the day comes that the cop at the door in some obscure part of our country has a mental meltdown and decides to go Columbine on the school he is supposed to protect.

Then there is the Geraldo Rivera hysteria. What a total ass he is. Rivera was describing this as the worst thing ever. Are you kidding me? Rivera believes this is worse than the ONE MILLION JEWISH CHILDREN exterminated during the Holocaust? Like I said, what an ass.

This was a terrible thing. We will find out in the coming days that the kid who did this probably attended this school and was considered emotionally disturbed. But the kid’s motives for going postal are irrelevant.

His actions are a stark reminder that there is shit in this world that is bad and, unfortunately, beyond our control. Deal with it.

  • Dave L.

    Very sad state of affairs. You will NEVER know why this happened, as said above, no expaination !

    • wyntre

      Reports are the shooter suffered from a mental disorder, specifically, Aspberger’s Syndrome. I have known people with that condition and while they can function normally at times they have compulsive personalities and once they seize on a conclusion. an action, an idea, they can be impossible to control even with medication.

      If the guy really did have A.S. it sounds like he was off his meds.

      • BarbFD

        And, why exactly are these people allowed to be in the general population, if they are difficult to control, even with medication?

        • Alan Davis

          In your opinion, just who is doing the allowing? Law enforcement? doctors? families? What would you do with them? Just curious.

          • buzzlatte3

            It will need to go back to the state level where they will need to decide the levels of intervention and what kind of services they are willing to pay for. Residential treatment is expensive but is the best option for those that are never, or have a slim chance of, integrating successfully into society.

            • DianaLC

              I am sorry, but I feel that the ones who show violent or harmful behavior need to be placed in a special area of our jails.
              When I was called by the police in a mountain town because they had the schizophrenic mother of the three girls in my home in the drunk tank, they were desperate to have me tell them of a jurisdiction that might have a warrent for her arrest, as they were afraid she would hurt someone if they had to release her the next morning.
              She had tried to hatch a scheme to kidnap one of the girls and had become violent and participated in a drunken brawl when the man she was with refused to take part in her scheme.
              Unfortunately, I did not have any information at the time. And sure enough, she went careening down the mountain in her car in a fit of anger when they released her, hit a family in their car, and sent herself and them to the hospital.
              I could list many other of those incidents of her causing harm. A jail where the guard says “take your medicine and attend your therapy sessions or else” is what she needed. She would be there legitimately if she had done what she did and wasn’t schizophrenic. Just make special jails for them, though how you tell which are “normal” pisoners and which are mentally ill prisoners is hard to say. But forced mental health treatment is necessary.
              I’m not advocating facilities withe Nurse Ratchet (sp?) where people are kept in zombie states, just mental health facilities that have bars and keep them out of the general population while they are dangerous.

              • buzzlatte3

                They have lock-down facilities in residential treatment centers…little known because it’s not PC. They never went away completely. What went away was society’s ability to get perpetrators/sufferers in one without going through law enforcement – which usually means someone has to get harmed in some fashion. And since jails don’t have the general ability to diagnose and treat – guess what? Back out on the streets they go. This is where civil liberties groups and ACLU in CT harmed the public. The ACLU was instrumental is getting the bill defeated that could force medication treatment for Lanza and those like him in CT. I worked in a juvenile treatment facility – had secret wireless alarms to call the orderlies in my pockets – and worked with those that had no future in general society. Albeit, it was two weeks I worked there until a teaching position opened – but it might as well have been two lifetimes. I can’t imagine what families go through with little or no support.

        • wyntre

          I have no idea. I am not a doctor. I was very friendly with a woman who had the syndrome and was absolutely brilliant in her line of work but had great difficulty in social settings (except with me, of course). :shock:

          And, if you will check my post I state it sounds as if the shooter might have been off meds.

          • buzzlatte3

            The real reason? Those with mental health issues have rights that eclipse those that don’t. They have the right to live in the community unfettered. They have the right to refuse medication. They have SSI benefits to live because they don’t hold down employment.

            There used to be a system that was dismantled in the 1980′s that sheltered them and the public. But, as usual, the mentally challenged became a “victim” group identified by guess which party.

            The states saw that it was a money saver to close down institutions. Group homes were supposed to suffice but were/are often a poor bandaid and vulnerable to law suits. Community mental health support was supposed to be enough to “cure” the identified sufferers.

            The reality is what we have in place can’t do anything – rules, regulations, overworked and underpaid staff give up, ID’d sufferers drop out of the systems only to show up in the law enforcement system because they can’t handle society.

            Not all follow this pattern, but the successful ones are usually monitored CLOSELY by family.

            • wyntre

              Sadly you are, I believe, right about this.

              Sounds like what’s now going on with the “dismantling” of the healthcare system.

              And to think we PAY the fools in congress to reinvent the friggin wheels.

            • Fred82

              I don’t consider Aspergers to be a mental health issue at all.

              It’s more like a mental difference. In many ways, Aspies are actually superior to the so called normal people. Of course Aspies can be develop other issues that are mental health issues. However, that is often society’s fault as much, if not more than theirs.

        • Fred82

          Because…….

          On average, Aspies tend to be less likely to commit crimes and engage in unethical behavior than their NT counterparts.

      • Hokma
        • Fred82

          All they said was personality disorder.

          They did not specify a disorder and Asperger’s is not actually a personality disorder.

          • buzzlatte3

            Catch up – and don’t jump to conclusions as to what the specific – if proven- disorder was the underlying cause.

            • Fred82

              I wasn’t saying that this guy did or didn’t have Aspergers. What I was saying is that if he did, I find claims that Aspergers would have caused this behavior to be total BS.

              I think I was ultimately attempting to curb unfounded hysteria and prejudice that could arise against Aspies. BTW, the MSM is really dumb as usual.

              • buzzlatte3

                I’ll agree. I quit listening when they started bouncing conjecture on everything around.

      • Fred82

        Actually,

        Those with Asperger’s tend to be less violent than normal people. They also tend to be more rational than normal people. I think your typical Aspie would have a hard time meeting the legal definition of insanity.

        For the most part, I think it is society’s ignorance that would turn Aspies into criminals. They are inherently less inclined towards criminality than your average person IMHO.

        At the same time, there is generally no medication for Aspergers.

      • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

        Violence is not a hallmark of autism. (Where do people get this tripe?) But the age of onset of, say, paranoid schizophrenia, is late adolescence…
        (You can look up all of this using the nimh.gov web sites. That’s National Institutes of Mental Health. You pay for it; use it.)

        • buzzlatte3

          Not to mention that some have a myriad of labels their aberrant behavior or cognitive dysfunction can fit.

        • wyntre

          Where do YOU get the arrogant attitude? “Tripe? You pay for it, use it?”

          Stay off my posts and I’ll stay off yours.

          (NaturalNews) In mass shootings involving guns and
          mind-altering medications, politicians immediately seek to blame guns but never
          the medication. Nearly every mass shooting that has taken place in America over
          the last two decades has a link to psychiatric medication, and it appears
          today’s tragic event is headed in the same direction.

          According to ABC News, Adam Lanza, the alleged shooter, has
          been labeled as having “mental illness” and a “personality
          disorder.” These are precisely the words typically heard in a person who
          is being “treated” with mind-altering psychiatric drugs.

          One of the most common side effects of psychiatric drugs is violent
          outbursts and thoughts of suicide.

          http://www.naturalnews.com/038353_gun_control_psychiatric_drugs_Adam_Lanza.html

  • foxyladi14

    So sad about the school shooting.

    now is not the time for politics. Let us instead reflect upon what was
    lost today, and first grieve together Praying for the victims and
    families.

  • Hokma

    When asked about gun control today Jay Carney was right by saying that this is NOT the time to be speaking about gun control.

    • HELENK2

      someone should have told michael moore. the simple sob did not have sense enough to to stfu

      http://weaselzippers.us/2012/12/14/repulsive-lib-michael-moore-calls-on-dems-to-immediately-capitalize-on-conn-elementary-school-shooting/

    • getfitnow

      Someone should have told his boss.

      *************************
      “We´re going to have to come together to take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the
      politics…” –preezy Obama
      **********
      A very inappropriate time to mention politics. I am sick to death of this fool.

      • HARP2

        Cars don`t make people drive drunk, yet roughly 11,000 people are killed every year by them.

        • buzzlatte3

          I’ll say it because it pissed me off – the line about “they are all our children” from Prezzy. What? Even the ones that don’t look like Treyvon? Grrrrrrr – had to get it off my chest!

          • wyntre

            You are not alone. The fake tears pushed my button.

        • Steve Diamond

          But we do require seat belts.

    • KenoshaMarge

      Well even a broken clock is right twice a day.

  • Hokma

    “totally insane”

    That is the heart of the tragedy.

    Like with Aurora, with Virginia Tech, and with Columbine, the one thing all these tragedies shared was that they were committed by very insane people.

    More importantly they were all people who were known to already be very disturbed. I will not be surprised if they find that this young man was insane.

    No matter how many regulations or bans you place on people like this they will find a way of getting weapons – even if they have to manufacture them.

    You can put security guards and metal detectors in all schools. But will prevent someone from waiting for people to come out of the school?

    I said this after Aurora. What is it going to take for society to start dealing with mental health issues the way they deal with physical health issues?

    Instead you have the pathetically stupid left wing pundits and Hollywood weirdos already spouting off that this would not have happened if we banned guns.

    Having said that, I will say that we have better records of automobile ownership and location than we do of firearms. I happen to know that firearm manufacturers are still too lax in what leaves their plants and where they go. The manufacturer of Cheetos has a better idea where a specific case is in this country than a gun manufacturer is of on of their arms.

    But even tightening that would never have stopped this young man from massacring these kids.

    • buzzlatte3

      It’s the inherent personality disorder of the left. They perceive that if they make more rules it will alleviate the problems. Secondly, it is always everyone else that has the problems, not them. It’s not banning weapons, it’s demanding that society once again focus on personal integrity instead of Sandra Fluke and her BC “issues”.

      • Alan Davis

        So you seem to be saying that you are fine with a young man who is mentally ill has easy access to weapons. Or are you blaming the school, principal, teachers or children? Or are you saying this young murderer was politically motivated? Or are you saying that because there are more liberal people than you in the educational system they deserve what they get? Or are you saying that rules are bad when some people make them but we should demand that all people have rules if you make them?

        • Hokma

          Do you know who actually owned the guns? How they were procured? Do you believe that if there was a ban on assault weapons or a ban on concealed weapons that it would have prevented this massacre?

          Well if you believe that then you are an ignorant moron. Because any of these weapons will still be able to be procured illegally and more easily

          But if this young man was treated for the obvious and apparently well known mental health disorder he had then that would have prevented this massacre But that does not fit into the political narrative of the left wingnuts like Mayor Bloomers and you.

          • Alan Davis

            I don’t know the answers about weapons. I think they should be regulated. Guns turn violence into mass murder but we are in such a pro gun culture that guns are everywhere. That is the culture in BOTH the brand name parties – pro gunnies and hollywierd – they all make money off guns and that is what drives them all.

            About treatment, that is very complicated as certain mental disorders come on rather quickly. I think the “left wingnunts” are more likely to want treatment to be available than the “right wingnuts” since it would mean more welfare state stuff. After all that is what happened in the 80s. So your partisanship is very blind. Nevertheless treatments don’t always work and at that point sensible gun regulation might add some amount of protection. But the genie is out of the bottle and guns and gun violence are loved by all in the USA.

            Ooh and keep up with the bully tactics – love it when you get your dominatrix on.

            • Fred82

              Ehhhhh,

              The 20th Century statistics on democide effectively destroy all arguments that are in favor of gun control.

              • buzzlatte3

                Wow since we’re controlling things why don’t we actually look at the people who actually pull the triggers. Guns don’t activate without one of them attached.

            • Hokma

              “I think they should be regulated.”

              They ARE regulated moron. These were all legal guns. When they prohibited liquor did that stop the consumption of liquor? NO.

              “I think the “left wingnunts” are more likely to want treatment to be available than the “right wingnuts” ”

              The why was it the left wingnuts that deinstitutionalized mental health? Go f&*k yourself.

              • Alan Davis

                “They ARE regulated moron.” well, duh you dumb old bagger. And I agree that they should be regulated. I might support tighter regulation. And, no it was the anti-welfare brand Rs who de-instituionalized mental health in the 80s. And now it is the brand Rs who don’t want to pay for any handouts to those in need of medical or mental health care. I’d rather pay for that than to line the palms of farmers to not do a damn thing.

                • Hokma

                  No, left wing do-gooders started desinstitutionalization:

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Mental_Health_Act

                  Then the lefties wanted everyone to treat people with mental illnesses as normal people – as if they had no problem. This goes back to the 1960′s and has never changed.

                  • Alan Davis

                    And the Rs wanted to get rid of welfare and paying for institutions. Looks like both ‘sides’ are pretty much for the same thing.

                    • Hokma

                      What? Do you realize how incoherent you are? Get lost scotty.

        • buzzlatte3

          See below. Alan, stop jumping to conclusions about what I am or not comfortable with.

          • Alan Davis

            Not much of a leap when you state it all so clearly.

            • Popsmoke

              Let me see if I can state this asw clear as I can. Alan, your an ass….
              Gun control is not the answer. Asw you can see this kid stole the legally purchased and registered weapons from mom. Who he killed. Matter of fact this kid could have stolen the weapons from almost anyone and killed them too.
              Most of these murders are with illegal or stolen guns. Gun Contol will not fix this
              However we as a people and society have placed everything else as a priority ecxcept for family. That Alan is the root cause of the problem. The family unit is no longer a priority.

              • Alan Davis

                Why did this mom have arms in her home when her disturbed son lived there? Guns guns guns everywhere…Ds and Rs love them. The fake religious people love them and the culture of death they bring. Oh, and YOU’RE and ass too.

                • Popsmoke

                  GUNS GUNS GUNS E V E R Y W H E R E! GUNS in the family room! The bathroom! The bedroom! The fridge! The oven! The sink! The cookie jar! Lions, tigers and bears, O My!
                  How do you know hows those weapons were stored? How the kid got his hands on them? But like typical jerk you assume way too much…
                  The issue is not guns. The issue is the degradation of the family unit and the LACK of religion!!

                  • Alan Davis

                    That’s silly. Religion has spawned so very many wars. It has not been much of an instrument of peace.

                    You might not want to tell a devout and devoted family member that their kindergartner has been murdered by “degradation of the family unit and the LACK of religion!!” You have no idea if your moralizing accusations are true of any of those families. Or are you blaming the coward murder’s family?

                    • Popsmoke

                      Allan you know fucking well I was not talking about the victims and their families. I was talking about society in general and evil people. Take your head out of your ass! We as a society have lost the moral high ground that our forefathers faught so hard to up hold. What happened in Newtown 20 years ago would not even made a bad nightmare in this country. We have failed our forefathers….
                      By the way, religions do not spawn wars nor mandate killing people. But like guns, religions have been used as the excuse to start wars and kill people. We need to start rebuilding our moral values as a people and as a country.

                    • Alan Davis

                      well then just who are you talking about?? “society in general and evil people”? Just who are they? Who are you blaming for these murders? You seem to know.

                    • Hokma

                      These are three questions that should be asked of every loud mouth liberal concerning government bans starting with Mayor Bloomers:

                      1. Did Prohibition stop alcohol consumption in the United States?

                      No. Instead it was an abject failure.

                      “Although consumption of alcohol fell at the beginning of Prohibition, it subsequently increased. Alcohol became more dangerous to consume; crime increased and became “organized”

                      “It led many drinkers to switch to opium, marijuana, patent medicines, cocaine, and other dangerous substances that they would have been unlikely to encounter in the absence of Prohibition”

                      “Consumption would probably have surpassed pre-Prohibition levels even if Prohibition had not been repealed in 1933”

                      http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/alcohol-prohibition-was-failure

                      2. When the Federal Government forced all states to increase the drinking age to 21 did it stop those under 21 from drinking alcohol?

                      No. The delusion that raising the drinking age to 21 was going to stop drinking for those under 21 was dead wrong. By banning alcohol consumption among those under 21 it forced college administrators to not be able to directly address responsible alcohol consumption with most of their students.

                      “It has not stopped teen drinking, and has instead pushed underage binge drinking into private and less controlled environments, leading to more health and life-endangering behavior by teens.”

                      http://drinkingage.procon.org/

                      3. Therefore will a ban on assault weapons or all guns for that matter stop people from getting these same firearms but do so illegally and without government control?

                      The answer is no. We have an open society and therefore we always have access to whatever we want legally or illegally. Ban guns and we will enable a lucrative illegal gun market and the massacres will continue. Then what?

                      We do need to address the real problem now. But it is not the legal sale of guns.

                      It is primarily addressing mental health to make sure those who are known to have major problems be helped immediately.

                      The other problems are this culture of violence (excessively violent video games, gangster rap, goth culture, unnecessarily violent Hollywood films), the breakdown of the family (this kids parents were divorced and he had not talked to his brother in 2 years), and the war against religion (thank you socialist Lincoln Chafee). Not coincidentally these are all products of the liberal and socialist left.

                      The problem is that the left and the left media cannot admit to this because it is their fault.

    • wyntre

      “What is it going to take for society to start
      dealing with mental health issues the way they deal with physical health
      issues?”

      Spot-on.

      • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

        We need to stop artificially separating what are described as ‘mental’ health issues from ‘physical’ health issues. Period.

  • HELENK2

    shooter’s mother dead in her home. unidentified body found in father’s home. girlfriend missing

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Actually, there is an explanation. It’s called “evil.” Please excuse me for being judgemental. I know there are those who think that this is “society’s fault.”

    • buzzlatte3

      I will add that the lack of society demanding integrity is partially to blame. Mixed with inherent evil it’s a bad combination.

    • Deapster

      Evil lurks when we pretend medications can cure (mask) it.

      • buzzlatte3

        Bingo!

    • KenoshaMarge

      I agree. It was the act of a sick mind that did an evil thing. pj media says it better than I ever could.

      Evil is to Blame

      http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2012/12/14/evil-is-to-blame/

    • Hokma

      I would say that this kid was extremely mentally ill and needed treatment he was evidently not getting nor was every other mass murderer we have read about.

      Then there is this culture of violence that ironically is the product of people on the left. It includes excessively violent video games, gangster rap, goth, and excessively violent movies like Dark Knight.

      And all the left wants to do is ban guns which will only drive gun sales underground and totally unregulated.

      Michael Bloomberg made a lot of money with a company that just announces what other businesses do. He has a tendency to shoot his mouth off before he knows the facts (i.e. that these were kindergarten kids). He did it with the Ground Zero mosque. He did it with the trial of KSM in Manhattan. And he did it with the NYC Marathon a few days after Hurricane Sandy. The guy is an annoying runt. And is he wrong on this issue as well. And, yes, I despise Bloomberg.

  • HARP2

    Maybe schools need something like the prisons have. Throw a switch and ALL the doors are automatically locked for every classroom.
    We spend a fortune protecting our treasure in the banks, surely our children deserve the same consideration.

    • HELENK2

      the shooter grew up in the town and his mother was a teacher at the school. The school had just installed a security system where the door had to be opened from the inside. my guess is that the shooter was known and that is why he was let in. no one could expect such evil, and when it is someone you have watched grow up, it is never expected

  • Popsmoke

    Thoughts? I have a sis who is a school teacher 1hr and 30min north of Newtown…. I also have two granddaughters that I always worry about.
    I do not know what the answer is but we need to deal with this insanity some how…. The famaily unit has collapsed!

    • buzzlatte3

      Frankly it’s one of the reasons I left teaching. No strong family structures and the building I was in (now closed) had zero chance for anyone to get out or protect themselves. That was the assessment from the police and fire depts. It is why, if I had school aged children, I would homeschool.

      • BarbFD

        I also left teaching, after being scolded for being “too conservative in my thinking, and expecting too much from my middle schoolers.” and, I taught in the largest Catholic diocese school in the archdiocese of Baltimore…all schools are becoming infected with political correctness; allowing behaviors to exist which undermines a teacher’s ability to actually teach, not only subject matter, but also social skills needed by children in a moral and decent society. As a “conservative” I believed that children were responsible for their actions and behaviors, supposed to do their own work and homework assignments, behave correctly, write legibly and display respect for not only adults inside the school building, but also for each other. This was apparently unacceptable in a Catholic school! Can’t imagine what goes in a public school! I taught in a private school, because I couldn’t stand what was happening in the public schools, and can’t stand unions!

        • buzzlatte3

          All one needs to do is look at the USA in the world educational level standings. Then you can see what liberal PC driven public schools are like. Sad, sad, sad. It’s what needs to be changed.

        • http://www.facebook.com/margaret.maree Margaret Maree

          I’m in your Archdiocese, way over in Frederick County. Interesting to note that while these vortices of evil spin all around us, people are packing into theaters to see ‘The Hobbit’, like plants in shade, turning toward sunlight. I believe many sense that we’ve lost our way, and instinctively turn to deeper sources, trying to make sense in midst of madness. Certainly won’t find much comfort or sense from Obama or Bloomberg, in fact their voices rang more tinny than ever today.

      • Popsmoke

        What makes matters worse is how the press is reporting this. Without any facts or confirmations they are reporting absolute crap. We have gone from naming the wrong family member as the shooter (think about how it looks being lead away in handcuffs while the press is all over you and I would grab a lawyer and sue the shit out of them) to having the mother gunned down at school rather than at home.
        Editors, producers and reporters need to have their asses kicked for such shit reporting. All in the name of ratings!

        • wyntre

          Agreed. It is sickening and bordering on criminal activity, specifically, slander.

        • Retired_from_SPOnaj

          Wait until they discover that his politics were left of center. Then: crickets.

          • buzzlatte3

            Or he voted for the narcissist in chief…

          • Fred82

            Well,

            There was that guy who crashed the plane into the tax building. Joe Stack was his name.

            Anyhow, the Lefties went on rambling about evil conservatives and Right-wing terrorism. Funny thing was, this guy’s manifesto was sympathetic towards Communism and anti-capitalism.

            They also tried to chalk up Jared Loughner to right-wing violence. Epic fail again there.

            I think the one that really made me wish for a bucket to throw up in was when some of the Lefties tried to paint Nidal Hassan as a poor man who finally snapped as a result of PTSD by proxy.

            Speaking of the Fort Hood shooting, is the USG still calling that one workplace violence?

        • Fred82

          Where is Bob Knight when we need him? He would set those media jackals straight in about 5 seconds flat!

  • buzzlatte3

    So tragic. There are no words. For once I agree with Mike Huckabee ( and I am not religious ) – when you take the concept of a higher power out of the equation – this is what you get.
    I was there in the trenches of public school when the schools, mostly steered by liberals, Dem PACs, and the unions, started to take offense to things that pointed to God (a higher power),Christmas, the founding fathers, got their way with not holding children accountable, and took away the authority of teachers and building admin. I am not ranting or making political points. I am speaking from eye witness experience and truth. This is the part where the question of “why” is immaterial. Where were the lessons of integrity and moral judgement for these perpetrators? We are reaping what we have sown.

    My heart goes out to Newtown and those that are dealing first hand with the aftermath.

  • HELENK2
  • TeakWoodKite

    My saddness is deep at the loss of innocence.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljnv3KGtcyI

  • HELENK2

    Official: Ryan Lanza, brother of Connecticut school shooting suspect, not believed to have any involvement in rampage – @AP

    10 mins ago

    by editor

  • TriciaX

    I am for tighter gun laws, but also the media probably plays a role that encourages these acts. Of course these stories are newsworthy, but have you noticed how many of them there are?

    My theory is that these sick men are young (usually) who are true losers and hate their lives and everyone in it and the world. BUT, they want to make a statement along with their (frequent) suicides. They WILL be remembered—media coverage despite incorrect info starting right afterwards and going on all day, grieving parents, talking heads, big wigs front and center, a tearful U.S. President, and on it goes. For
    hours. For days. Is the game “I can do it bigger and better than the last time?” Maybe even a made-for-TV movie deal in my “honor.”

    I wish the media would examine how these stories are covered. At the VERY least the perp must be consistently
    vilified as a coward. Anything to not attract wanna-be home grown nuts who have no other way to say “I was here.”

    • Hokma

      You are mostly right. But what each of these shooters have in common are they have a severe mental illness which was already apparent to others but was ignored.

      And the media is always quick to blame guns rather than the obvious problem.

      • TriciaX

        Of course it goes without saying that this person had a seoirus problem. But I was irritated when a media talking head spouted, “This guy is the face of mental illness.” NO, he ins’t. Most people with mental problems–even serious ones–would never engage in these horrific acts.

        • buzzlatte3

          It’s not that the mental illness is ignored. It’s that the laws permit them to reside with little to no supervision in regular society. If the person is emancipated, they do not have a guardian to act in their behalf, they can do as they please with behavioral/intervention files 2 feet thick. They are a “victim” group identified in the 1970′s or earlier and therefore are immune to any real intervention until they commit legal and severe enough offenses against society. In a nutshell.

          • akaPatience

            Too true buzz. It’s sad that tragedies are often the resolution to mental illness that’s out of control.

          • Fred82

            I disagree,

            We have no universally accepted definition of mental illness and the number one disorder found amongst criminals, especially serial offenders is narcissism.

            Narcissism generally is not considered to be a mental illness.

            • Retired_from_SPOnaj

              Well, at least it’s not a disqualifier to be elected POTUS. Then you graduate from mere firearms to globetrotting drones. Death from Above!

              • buzzlatte3

                Obama got labeled a narcissist so guess what!? Let’s change the definition! Will it ever stop! :)

              • Fred82

                Hahahaha!

                Well, the corporate world has been found to contain its fair share of psychopaths.

                I would like to see the statistics on psychopaths as politicians.

            • buzzlatte3

              That’s not true on the face. Narcissism isn’t attached to this specific case and all labels are case specific. Narcissism may go through some changes from the DSM IV to the DSM V due out i 2013. So re-read.

              http://www.apa.org/monitor/2011/02/naricssism-dsm.aspx

              • Fred82

                My point was that narcissism is generally not a disorder that can get people institutionalized or involuntarily placed on medication. Additionally, I do not think that narcissism would be grounds for a successful insanity defense.

                At the same time, narcissism is the number one personality disorder found amongst criminals, especially serial offenders. You are much, much, much more likely to be victimized by a narcissist than someone with bipolar disorder, paranoid schizophrenia, PTSD, or Aspergers.

                Now let us consider society’s effects here. Despite being less inclined towards criminality than “normal” people, Aspies are often shunned, labeled, and thrown in with criminal riff-raff as children. Could such treatment make an individual more inclined to commit criminal acts? I think so.

                On the other hand, does today’s society, especially the MSM actively encourage and reinforce narcissism? You bet it does.

                • buzzlatte3

                  No disorder is an automatic institutionalization ticket. But an act resulting in legal or crimes against society despite the etiology is a ticket. Agreed that MSM reinforces narcissism.

                  • Fred82

                    I agree. I think that people should stop talking out their ass about Aspergers though. Different does not equal deficient and I think society owes people in such groups a fair shake.

                    If Aspies commit crimes, they should be held accountable. However, Aspies should not be treated as criminals or outcasts unless they actually engage in genuine criminal behavior.
                    To treat people who are not criminals as criminals will only lead to more criminals.

                  • Fred82

                    I would also add that the MSM’s portrayal of returning combat veterans as ticking time bombs is ignorant, inaccurate, and frankly, downright insulting.

                    Before you know it, people will be looking under their beds for the evil Aspies and psycho war vets.

            • DianaLC

              I would say that it is maybe that they are sociopaths, which is a very different thing. And there is no “cure” for that. But, as in the case of Austin Sigg here in CO, who I would guess IS a sociopath/psychopath, it was his mother who finally turned him in. She had to have known for some time that there was something terrible troubling about her son.

              • Fred82

                Well,

                Psychopaths generally do commit a disproportionate number of crime and generally lack a conscience.

                Funny thing is that psychopaths actually tend to be better at appearing sane, beating parole boards, and attaining early release so they can go do it all again.

      • Deapster

        What is getting ignored is the horrid withdrawal/side effects of psychotrophic drugs – too many incidents of mindless violence linked to too many immature minds put on mind-altering drugs. Follow BigPharm before you attack the NRA.

  • wyntre

    Lest anyone think I am not distressed by the horrible loss of innocent life I want to say my attention has been on the rabid media and the politicizing – by the pos, the leftie lunatics and the usual leftie mayors, eg Bloomberg and Booker – of what is a monumental tragedy likely unrelated to what these b@stards are espousing.

    I find the media feeding frenzy despicable but sadly, not unusual. Look at what they did with the Gabby Giffords shooting. With the George Zimmerman case. With the NFL football player’s murder/suicide. It is sickening.

  • KataKimbe

    I felt for President Obama earlier today when he spoke so emotionally – as a father first. But the president never has to worry about this happening to his children. They are protected by people with guns.

    I am not surprised that media and news outlets are using this tragedy to push agendas… NO LAWS would have changed this. PERIOD. A family dispute of whatever reason with a metally unstable person wanting revenge… what can you do? He already broke laws having those guns on him.
    I feel for all those loved ones who lost somebody today. As I do everyday. Last week it was a deranged homeless guy on a train platform and this week another tragedy.

  • akaPatience

    This is so tragic. I was a social worker when widespread de-institutionalization of the mentally ill occurred. IMO it was a big mistake that resulted in the explosion of the homeless population, among many other problems. Not every person suffering from mental illness needs to be institutionalized of course, but there nevertheless remains a need for facilities that treat those who can’t function in society and who pose risks to themselves and others. Group homes often aren’t equipped to deal with the challenge. Families today have very little recourse when one of their members is out of control due to mental illness, and too often it’s absolutely devastating for everyone involved.

    AND when on earth is the entertainment industry going to be held to task for the culture of violence it promotes? It’s time it started censoring itself and stopped lying that art only mimics reality. I saw a commercial recently for a video game that showed a very life-like animated character getting his head sawed off by a chainsaw, with blood gushing everywhere. What reality is THAT imitating?

    • buzzlatte3

      Yes. Thanks for this! My comment below echoes this.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Amen.

    • Fred82

      Actually I read a book written by Roy Hazelwood that said violent media generally had little or no correlation with violence carried out by criminals.

      On the other hand, it was said that BSU research did find a correlation between violence and pornography.

    • DianaLC

      Didn’t see your comment when I wrote mine above. I agree completely.

  • Deapster

    Effexor strikes again?

  • buzzlatte3

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com has an
    article on why liberals are complicit in deinstitutionalizing severe mental illness. A little history lesson – it isn’t pretty.

  • driguana

    The difficult question now is….What as a society are we going to do? Somewhere in the not too distant past we went right off the tracks. How are we going to right ourselves and who is going to lead us to do that?

  • FloridaFI

    Larry – actually, we can deal with it.

    “National Firearms Safety Class Certification Program.”

    Require certification identification prior to purchasing a
    handgun (or any firearm).

    Certification would require class and range time. Idiots and
    crazies would either be ejected or fail to show. Orange haired crazies and mommy-haters
    would fail in a firearms safety class or would never show up for range time.
    Our government requires the same licenses to drive or to
    hunt.
    The NRA could administer this national program, but they
    would have to exhibit extraordinary daring.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Sorry to pop your delusional bubble. This kid got a hold of his mother’s legally acquired hand gun. Get serious. Are you suggesting that family members be screened as well?

      • FloridaFI

        In all due respect – and I really mean it. Initial reports are that the shooter used a Glock, a Sig Sauer and a Bushmaster .223.

        Yes, the mom should be required to go through a safety class. Of course, prior to her giving the firearms to her son so that he can shoot her.

        BTW, run a tactical match each month. Close to you.

        • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

          Do you not understand that her son took the weapons? She did not “give them to him.” Please.

          • FloridaFI

            My guess is that she did not give them to him.

            My guess would be that he obtained them on his own.

            And, you know there is no law against that.

            I seriously doubt that a forty-something school teacher armed-up her twenty-four year old son with two semi-automatic pistols, an assault rifle and enough ammunition to take down a small Connecticut Village.

            My further guess is that everyone close to this monster knew he was sitting very close to crazy. But they decided to not say anything – you know – political correctness and all….

            • DianaLC

              At this point I am going to agree that this might be the case. It was the same in Tucson. The sherriff there who likes to point to gun control so no one can look at his dirty hands in all of this had the legal means to put that shooter into a mental ward after he was kicked off the community college campus because AZ laws did allow that, but he did nothing and would prefer to blame guns.

              I one time lived in constant fear that the severely schizophrenic mother of my ex-stepdaughters and foster daughter would suddenly cause a terrible tragedy in my life. She DID in fact cause lots of pain in the lives of many people I knew of (and probably many I didn’t know of) because she was allowed always to roam around the country as her “right.” Many of her relatives did everything they could to keep a distance between themselves and her. I am not blaming them, because in our country it is damned near impossible for families to get the force the help they need in these cases onto their family member.

              The truth was that in fact she did cause pain for her daughters that they do not ever want to admit because they are so emotionally scarred by her and still refuse to acknowledge or blame her mental illness and prefer to blame everyone else who tried to help them for the problems they have leading their own lives.

              The answers to this type of tragedy are not so easy to find as some would like.

              And I still want to go on record as saying that Marilyn Manson did not cause Columbine as many of the talking heads crowd tried to imply at the time.

              • buzzlatte3

                I understand your plight. In the process of giving rights to those that are bona fide mentally ill – the rights of the majority were trampled on to the point of yesterday’s tragedy. Those, with cognitive and behavioral issues, I have worked with, when able to rationally speak about their situation, would rather have a safe haven to be in. But no, their rights would be trampled on says the prevailing PC culture.

              • FloridaFI

                This tragedy is very close to me. My wife teaches third grade in a public school very similar to Sandy Hook.

                I was honored to spend today with my three grandchildren; a 1 year old grand daughter, and 4 and 6 year old grandsons.

                When after their soccer game the four-year olds stood around a girl on their team and sang her happy birthday, there was not a dry eye in the crowd of parents and grandparents. My wife and I felt very thankful for the gift of this day.

                Also, I am a firearms instructor. People like this shooter do not make it through our classes. They are weeded out. If people were required to pass a basic firearms safety class in order to purchase a firearm, most crazies would never make it to the point of sale.

                The NRA can, and should, get involved in advocating this approach to firearm possession control. They either get involved in creatively solving this problem, or allow the NRA to be cast aside as irrelevant.

                I have witnessed horrible things in my life, but I cannot look at my first-grader grandson and understand how a human could have done what was done in Newtown, CT.

                • DianaLC

                  Because have NEVER alowed guns in my house for the simple reason that I don’t ever wnt to use one and don’t want to be responsible for accidental use of one, I will agree with you about the NRA loosening some of its objections to gun regulations.
                  On the other hand, until I am assured that this person didn’t somehow obtain those guns illegally, I stand by my belief that revamping the rules about mental health care is AS IMPORTANT as gun control changes.
                  This kid, while obviously mentally off, was indeed very bright. He was able to figure out a way around the system. Remember that these weapons were supposedly NOT his and he was supposedly NOT who his ID said he was.

                  • FloridaFI

                    I am totally in agreement with you about a revamp of Mental Health rules and regulations. And there is still too much unknown about how he came into possession of these weapons.

                • Sabinal

                  I teach history. I can. Every semester I teach about the Holocaust

                  I was stunned about the butchery of CT and China…and China is trying to have KNIVES registered because of all the slashings that have been happening.

                  • FloridaFI

                    I am an active student of history. Bless you for keeping the Holocaust “real” in the minds of our youth.

                    I know you have read this, but for anyone else, “Bloodlands” is the most complete study that I’ve read dealing with the slaughter of Europeans during the 1920′s, 30′s & 40′s in Eastern Europe.

                    However, I still cannot mentally come to grips with the evil that it would take to commit the crime take was committed in Newtown.

                    In “Bloodlands” the justification for the atrocities inflicted upon vast segments of Eastern European populations evolved over time. Demonizing various races also evolved over several decades, if not centuries.

                    What happened in Newtown, Ct. is much, much more evil – Because, with no prior evolution or shift in public attitudes, your next-door-neighbor can decide tomorrow morning to walk into an elementary school and coldly execute innocent students and teachers.

                    A study of this tragedy should endeavor to understand and explain what type of person could think of, and plan to commit, this type of crime.

          • Hokma

            You’re assuming that the mother knew she even owned these weapons. What would an elementary school teacher need with these weapons? I would not be surprised if this could used his mother’s ID to get these guns legally and without her knowledge. He did have his brother’s ID when they first found his body.

            • TeakWoodKite

              I do not know how one asks “what would an elementry school teacher need with these weapons”.
              If they were purchased by her legally, it matters not why. What matters is she is dead at the hands of the son she raised.

              • Hokma

                The issue is not why she purchased them but if she purchased them or did her son use her ID to purchase them himself without her knowledge?

                • TeakWoodKite

                  When purchasing weapons one normally shows that ID (there’s that ID thing again) , he doesn’t pass the gender test.
                  It is my understand that purchasing arms online is as follows;

                  if the gun must be shipped, then it must be shipped to a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder. Before a gun is released to the buyer, the required background checks are done by the receiving FFL holder. The FFL holder will often charge a small fee for his services.

                  If anyone can fill any details or corrections, cool.
                  Also I wish you and yours a very wonderful holiday season, inspite of the news of the day.

                  • Hokma

                    I guess it’s moot since the mother’s sister-in-law has been interviewed and stated that she was the gun owner. She originally came from New Hampshire and was used to having guns. What she was doing with 2 handguns and an assault rifle who knows.

                    And try to have a good Holiday as well.

                    • TeakWoodKite

                      :) Best.

        • Sabinal

          TMI, Flo ;)

  • HARP2

    So now the media and the dems are all calling for a ban on automatic weapons.

    If they bothered to check they would find out that with a little know how a semi-auto is quickly turned into full automatic.

    The bad guys have the know how.

  • arturo_ui

    “His actions are a stark reminder that there is shit in this world that is bad and, unfortunately, beyond our control. Deal with it.”

    Yet for some reason, we are ONLY allowed to understand that this is “beyond our control”. Nope, nosiree, no solutions could POSSIBLY be made available to remedy the mass shootings our country is getting used to. NOTHING to see here.

    • Hokma

      hey jerk – either provide a solution or get lost along with all your other alter egos here.

      • DianaLC

        Hoka, I think you miss the point from this little obot. It’s the usual materialistic/socialistic hubris of the followers of the likes of O. It is the deification of human solutions, the idea that humans alone can solve everything, as long as they give up the “opiate” of religion and a faith in God.

        Have you noticed that with the social media putting all the little self-absorbed individuals in constant connection with each other that over time we do appear to have become a more violent country?

        We need to get back to the Judeo-Christian principles of the founding of our country. And I am not going along with Hannity and his “evil” meme either or the other guy with his “devil” meme. That’s too Manichaean for me. The evil is only the absence of God in our lives. We no longer really talk about right and wrong because everything to these people is “relative.”

  • HARP2

    ** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”

    ** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”

    ** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”

    ** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”

    ** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“

    ** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”

    ** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”

    ** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”

    ** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

    I wonder where a kid would get any ideas.

    • binky354

      Harp, you are so good….Perfect reminder that CIC has done nothing to promote civility but everything to promote divisiveness and anti-Christian moral values.

    • getfitnow

      Civility. /s

    • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

      But…but…but…he shed a tear while discussing the murdered children! (I saw it on the news, in close-up, so I know his emotions were both genuine and causally related to the deaths of those children!)

  • Dave L.

    Another thing to think of is the fact that the Police Officers that had to deal with this will never be the same, their lives and emotions are forever changed. Walking into crnage like this affects one forever.

  • KenoshaMarge

    This was an evil things done by a sick mind. Ultimately I doubt that there will ever be a cure for such minds. I hope there will be but I doubt it.

    Those who are using this tragedy to promote their own pet agendas are repulsive.

    Geraldo Rivera? It boggles my mind that an asshole like him is given any credence at all. Then I see the lineup over at MSNBC and realize that assholiness is rampant.

    Don’t bother to explain to gun control freaks, who use every shooting to climb on their hobby horse and ride the gun control message. No matter how many times you tell them that guns don’t kill people, people do, it goes right over their head. It has for thousands of years if you just substitute the word sword for gun.

    “A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer’s hand.” ~ Seneca

    Guess even back then, Seneca lived ca. 4 BC
    – 65 AD, they were arguing about gun sword control.

  • getfitnow

    I have to post this email I received just to show the mentality that exist. I physically met this woman only a couple of times when she worked for an organization where I was running a short-term program. She left before my program ended and we traded email address.

    We do hear of and see examples of s who’s molding the minds of children today, and sadly, she’s one. I believe she tutors students. I’m sure this went out to everyone on her contact sheet.

    *******************************

    people I came home
    this evening after teaching some kindergartners, etc – not knowing
    about this to my husband LITERALLY WEEPING regarding this horrific event – he
    calls it “bullets over ballots” and that as sam jackson said
    “america wake the ‘f’ up” particularly black america – he says whites
    always sacrifice their own b4 the real stuff jumps off – anything to get
    our mind off what’s really going on (fiscal cliff, anything to make
    it look like OUR PRESIDENT ISNT A GOOD LEADER – PER BLOOMBERG WHO STATED
    TODAY “WE NEED GOOD LEADERSHIP” WAS JUST SINGING HIS
    PRAISES re: sandy (I knew his republican friends would be on his case re:
    singing obama’s praises) – the young man that killed these
    babies/teachers/himself/his mother was brainwashed (“manchurian
    candidate”) – hmmmmmmmmmm

    the kindergarten babies
    are in heaven – but I’m sure that’s no consolation to the parents – so join me
    in prayer for the families of the kids and the teachers who are no longer here
    for strength, encouragement, peace and to know THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS – m

    • DianaLC

      How horrible that someone could immediately “know” everything that was going on in the mind of the shooter and assume he was “brainwashed” by the right.
      Leave politics out of this!

    • Sabinal

      I hate to say this, but that woman is a drama queen. Does she cry everytime the evening news when people are shot in cold blood? Prob not

  • KenoshaMarge

    No tragedy would be complete with out the media vultures:

    Vultures

    ABC,
    NY Times reporters go full-on vulture tweeting friends, family of Connecticut massacre targets

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/15/abc-ny-times-reporters-go-full-on-vulture-tweeting-friends-family-of-connecticut-massacre-targets/#ixzz2F7VOaCjd

  • getfitnow

    A tiny break from the madness:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXh7JR9oKVE

    • DianaLC

      I had a link forwarded recently of a newer mall chorus. I was crying and singing along as I watched.

  • Hokma

    I was listening to updates that included the facts that it was 2 First Grade classrooms and the mother who was killed at home was not connected to the school although they said she was a teacher there in the past.

    Most importantly is the shooter who was very mentally sick – had no friends and was very withdrawn and was into violent video games. One psychologist conjectured that it is common for someone at his age to want to play out that video game, much the same way the shooter in Aurora sought to play out the Dark Knight movie.

    So while the ignorant twits in Hollywood and the other clueless liberals start to immediately do their knee-jerk banning guns mantra, what do they have to say about their contribution to the culture of violence and the break up of the family structure? What will they do about the indiscriminate violence in video games for kids? What about the movies these merchants of goodness produce that also promote senseless violence?

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    In the “who can cry more convincingly” competition, I think that Geraldo won. Principally because Obama was caught laughing when he thought that he was off camera between tears, much like Bill Clinton when Ron Brown died. Crying on cue is a skill required of POTUS these days.

  • HARP2

    Society needs to look in the mirror somewhat.

    They take prayer out of school

    Hollywood seldom makes a movie without violence

    Those idiotic “reality” shows that numb the mind…….Who watches that shit ?

    That stupid texing and tweets……instead of actually talking to each other which is how we, as humans, learn to distinguish mood changes and emotions.

    I refuse to own a cell phone just because of that.

    Schools that are ramming liberal BS down the kid`s throats.
    Nobody is supposed to be exemplary anymore…….just one of the worker ants.

    Please feel free to add to the list.

    • DianaLC

      HARP2, I agree completely.
      We were all warned. Re-read “Harrison Bergerson” by Kurt Vonnegut.

  • MG6

    Who have the mentally ill with no care and then you have government here to help…
    http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/12/court-terminates-parental-rights-in-homeschool-case/

  • arabella_trefoil

    Coventry Carol by Acabella

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLQsmxvXtOI

  • HARP2

    Lanza reportedly tried to buy rifle, was denied

    http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495

    • Sabinal

      that’s proof that the rules do work. Most of these killers stole thier weapons, which shoots down the idea that gun bans would stop violence

  • Sabinal

    Larry, we may have political differences, but thank you for this. People think we can legislate our way to peace. That is wrong.
    to me as painful as it sounds it more bs politics and crocodile tears. I do not believe in flying flags at half mast for a crime,

    it is not fair to the victims of less spectacular front news “missing blond girl” crimes. flag lowering should only be for 9/11 and deaths of presidents, not political CYA

    • Deapster

      How many die in the streets of Chicago every day? Let’s try banning guns in Chicago as an experiment to see if it works and it if does, then take this ban nationwide.

      • Hokma

        I laughed this morning when Senator Dick Durtbag from Illinois was pontificating about gun control when his state has some of the strictest laws in the country which does not seem to be working out too well in Chicago.

  • TeakWoodKite

    OK now WTF???

    headline at Politco reads;

    FIRST FATHER: OBAMA LEADS NATION’S MOURNING

    He ain’t my daddy (Puke gag Puke) .. or more ironically who’s the second daddy?
    Pappa was a rolling stone?

    • HARP2

      He has to get all that grieving stuff out of the way so it dosen`t interfere with his vacation.

    • Popsmoke

      Whos your daddy Teak?

      • TeakWoodKite

        He was the finest Tectona grandis in the grove. I made a ship of him. I only hope I do him proud on these high seas.

  • http://www.dwarfhamster.com/ dst

    Larry I’m not sure the phrase “Going Postal” is currently appropriate as when did the last such incident occur? I think the phrase should be “going mostly white outcast older teen male”. I have noted multiple parties from religious to politicians calling him the personification of evil. Hitler, Mao, Stalin, they were evil, they spent a life planning the destruction of other humans and caring it out. This apparently not so together youth was probably not even the young kid who tortures animals than goes on to bigger things as an adult. I suspect after shooting his mother he cracked and because he was not so autistic so as to not realized what he had done he went of on a somewhat spontaneous rage, although with his mother having taught this class I would suspect he has in his mind considered but held back from doing just what he did multiple times in the past. To those who have read the works of Robert Audrey “African Genesis” , “The Social Contract” one might say that aside from having lost some of his intellectual based social norms he was actually acting quite human.

    • FloridaFI

      I would also add to your list, “On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society”; Lt. Col. Dave Grossman (Author).

      Within this fascinating study, Grossman discusses quite accurately how an entire generation of Americans have been de-sensitized as a result of massive exposure to “First Person Shooter Video Games.”

      This is a new norm.

      Crazies sit at home playing “First Person Shooter Video Games.” They then want to act out the fantasies they have “lived” in their video dream world.

      In the Fifties, Sixties, and the Seventies we used these techniques to train our soldiers and Marines. At the time, these techniques were tightly held secrets within our military. These techniques were recognized as so effective that they were classified.

      But no longer. Not for the last twenty-five years.

      We now use versions of these same popular video games to de-sensitize our military warriors to the reality of actually shooting another human.

      And, it works really, really well.

      The “First Person Shooter Video Game” indoctrination/de-sensitization training works so well that now any average “Crazy” can watch these “First-Person” Shoot’im Up Video Games for a couple of years, mix in appropriate portions of insanity, guns, bullets and humiliation and “Voila” – you got yourself a mass casualty event.

      These games have been available to the general public for twenty years. We are now reaping the benefits of an entertainment industry gone insane.

      Thanks to Hollywood we got another thirty-forty years of this monthly media event.

    • Deapster

      Psycho-trophic drugs can make you crazy if you miss a dose – far more violent crazy than the crazy that the drug was trying to correct.

      Look up “brain freeze” if you miss a dose of Effexor, and then go down the list of the massively prescribed psycho-trophics we feed our kids in lieu of parenting them.

  • HARP2

    Gross: Media vultures now interrupting grieving Newtown residents at church.

    I don`t remember the media (except FOX), wanting to interview the families from Libya.

    http://twitchy.com/2012/12/15/gross-media-vultures-now-interrupting-grieving-newtown-residents-at-church/

  • foxyladi14

    One of the deadliest school murders occurred in Bath, Michigan in 1927

    “School treasurer Andrew Kehoe, after killing his wife and destroying
    his house and farm, blew up the Bath Consolidated School by detonating
    dynamite in the basement of the school, killing 38 people, mostly
    children.”
    And they did not ban dynamite.

    • Hokma

      This should be repeated to the reckless do-gooders over and over again. as well as the fact that they did not ban box cutters after September 11th.

  • Hokma

    These are the victims:

    Charlotte Bacon, 6

    Daniel Barden, 7

    Rachel Davino, 29

    Olivia Engel, 6

    Josephine Gay, 7 (just had her birthday on the 11th)

    Ana M Marquez-Greene, 6,

    Dylan Hockley, 6,

    Dawn Hocksprung, 47

    Madeleine F Hsu, 6

    Catherine V Hubbard, 6

    Chase Kowalski, 7

    Jesse Lewis, 6

    James Mattioli, 6

    Grace McDonnell, 7

    Anne Marie Murphy, 52

    Emilie Parker, 6

    Jack Pinto, 6

    Noah Pozner, 6

    Caroline Previdi, 6

    Jessica Rekos, 6

    Avielle Richman, 6

    Lauren Rousseau, 30

    Mary Sherlach, 56

    Victoria Soto, 27

    Benjamin Wheeler, 6

    Allison N Wyatt, 6

    http://www.courant.com/news/breaking/hc-names-sandy-hook-newtown-school-shooting-victims-20121215,0,6019648.story

    • Deapster

      Thank you.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    NYC Mayor Bloomberg said the we must ban guns nationally, pointing out that “Cain would be alive today had not Abel been able to so easily buy a legal gun to kill him with.”

    • FloridaFI

      This is what happens when uneducated voters elect adult juveniles into positions of power.

      Under the circumstances surrounding this statement, Bloomberg is an embarrassment to NYC.

      A shower of soda from a 40 oz. cup could possibly restore Bloomberg’s sense of reality.

      What a fool.

    • Popsmoke

      I am surprised that Bloomberg did not blame Global Warming or 64 oz Big Gulps!

    • Hokma

      Bloomers has been wrong on every issue. He shoots his Boston liberal mouth off before his brain gets activated.

      This is the guy who immediately came to the defense of the Ground Zero Mosque before he found out that a large majority of New Yorkers were offended by it and opposed to it.

      This was the guy who immediately came to the defense of Eric Holder when Holder announced he would try KSM in Manhattan. He did it before finding out that a huge majority of New Yorkers were opposed to that trial as was every other New York politician.

      This was the guy who insisted on having the NYC Marathon within days after Hurricane Sandy while most of New York was still without electric. He was evidently forced by Cuomo to back off and cancel it.

      This squirmy little man with a big mouth again shot his mouth off within hours of this tragedy to promote HIS agenda which in this case is banning guns.

      I would like to see one reporter ask this slimy little maggot two questions. When the country banned booze did that stop the country from drinking booze? Isn’t it better not to ban guns so that we can regulate them?

      In case your wondering I detest Bloomers.

      • wylrae

        “In case your wondering I detest Bloomers.”
        I really didn’t notice!!!!

    • wylrae

      With the outside-the-box type thinking that Bloomberg seems to thrive on, I am surprised he doesn’t recommend banning schools, colleges, malls, the City of Chicago, and the multitude of places where mass shootings seem to take place fairly regularly.
      I am not a member of, nor have ever been a member of, the NRA. I do own two rifles and a shotgun that I use and have used in hunting. I do not own a pistol and never will; however, I certainly do not want pistols taken away from those who own them because they feel safer having them. As a gun owner I do oppose the sale of assault type weapons and I really don’t see the need for anyone other than military or law enforcement personnel having an auto-matic weapon.
      I do feel that before anyone is allowed to purchase a firearm he/she should be required to take a sanctioned class in gun use, safety, and responsibility (somewhat like drivers education class only far more stringent).

    • buzzlatte3

      Can we just ban Bloomberg from opening his mouth?

  • Dave L.

    Liberals
    Call For Murder Of NRA President, Members & Repeal Of Second Amendment

    This blog pretty much tells why we have the problems in this country that we encounter daily. These people are demented !

    • Sabinal

      none of these spree killers were ever members of the NRA – I’m a lib but I’m sick of the NRA being kicked around for stuff they do not promote.

      I dated a member of the NRA. He only had one gun (a Baretta). His motto was “one bullet, one shot. other than that you don’t know what you’re doing” I was never afraid of him.

  • Dave L.

    liberty@freedomoutpost.com
    check out the liberal proposals, as with what to do to NRA members, I understand why this country is in the shape it is.!!

  • getfitnow

    Just when I think I can’t be anymore disgusted with this fraud.

    http://newtown.patch.com/articles/president-obama-advance-team-scouting-spots-for-visit-e4d81938

    Exactly what purpose beside a photo op does this serve? He needs to let this community grieve and get on with their lives.

    • FloridaFI

      Shed more crocodile tears onto the tragedy.

  • Dave L.

    why people have guns !

  • FloridaFI

    Larry – I’m going out on a bit of a limb.

    Sig-Sauer 9 mm, Glock 9 mm and the AR-15 Bushmaster are all Law Enforcement / Military weapons.

    Very masculine.

    I realize the sexist overtones of this statement, but – these types of weapons are the types of firearms that are purchased by men.

    No way a middle-aged woman would have purchased these firearms.

    Some how, some way, this shooter figured out a way to use his Mom’s Identification to purchase these guns.

    Remember – He was using his brother’s Identification during the shooting event.

    Could he have passed for a female in order to purchase firearms poising as his mother?

    • Deapster

      The excuse was she lived alone and was raised in New Hampshire – she needed the protection and she knew how to handle guns. Yeah. Maybe try a dog next time?

      • FloridaFI

        Hey – “Dumpster!”

        I guess I missed the memo that morons were allowed into a serious conversation.

        • Deapster

          Welcome aboard anyway.

          • FloridaFI

            My harsh tone was not appropriate. Please accept my apology.

      • HARP2

        Maybe try a dog next time?

        Nah….too hard to load.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Wrong. Just exposes your ignorance. The lady bought the weapons and you are a sexist ass.

      • FloridaFI

        Yeah, I know – I have now heard the news reports.

        But, I got to tell you, after three-plus decades competing in, working in and teaching within the Shooting Sports Industry I have never heard of a single mom purchasing two full-size semi-auto pistols and an Assault Rifle. LEO’s and Military, yes. But never a private citizen.

        And, before someone says she was a gun collector – these guns are not “Collectibles.” They are tools for the working Law Enforcement Officer and the Military. Many of these types of firearms also dominate in several types of civilian firearm competition. Which, BTW, is also almost totally dominated by males.

        And, actually, most LEO and Military females are generally handed an issued sidearm and told to go learn how to shoot it. A task which most find troublesome.

        I’ve also seen many a civilian wife or girlfriend shoot an assault rifle or a large frame pistol handed to her by a husband or boyfriend.

        But this situation with the shooter’s Mom is highly unusual. If these guns were purchased by the Mom for use by her mentally disturbed son, well, I think we have found the person that “Enabled” this tragedy (and, yes, I know – the enablers are often the first victims.)

        In most states it is also illegal to allow access to firearms by anyone adjudicated mentally defective or to anyone that has ever been admitted to a mental institution.

        This wording is also clearly stated on form 4473, sub-section f, which is the Federal Firearms Transaction form which must be completed prior to the retail purchase of ANY firearm in the United States.

        Additionally, if you are male, over the age of fifty and still open doors for women – it pretty much labels you as a sexist ass.

        A title I am willing to wear proudly.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/westboro-cult-plans-on-protesting-sandy-hook-funerals/

    westboro cult plans on protesting sandy hook funerals

    these sick bastards defile the name of God

    • FloridaFI

      Where and when?

      • HELENK2

        Article does not say. sometimes fools go too far.
        If I were the family of one of the slain, I honestly do not know what I would do to these fools.

        • HELENK2

          one part of me would like to see them taken and dropped off in the middle of Iran. try your hate there fools

  • Deapster

    Until you know this kid’s medication history, you will never uncover what in fact has driven so many young boys in our country to be hair-trigger insane killers. Don’t let this story bury this kid’s prescription drug use prior to this horrific event.

    • FloridaFI

      Bullshit! This is not a national drug medication problem.

      This is a problem dealing with laws and access.

      As a nation we can handle this problem.

      We will, however, require intelligence!

      • Deapster

        Intelligence requires gathering all the prescription drug histories of this string of young male mass murderers. It’s the facts we need; not another misguided social agenda that skirts underlying issues that show a chilling common denominator: non-alpha young men, on prior RX drugs for behavior issues and then going postal.

  • FloridaFI

    Lieutenant Paul Vance must also be recognized as one of the unsung heroes of this incident.

    His demeanor and conduct during presentations to the media were amazing.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.flag-post.com/bill-of-rights/

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE BILL OF RIGHTS

  • getfitnow

    An excellent article by Jazz at HotAir. check out the last paragraph.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/15/a-second-mass-shooting-avoided-on-friday/

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  • HELENK2

    http://ace.mu.nu/

    one major problem in trying to get treatment for mentally ill in this country

    • Hokma

      I was watching to morning shows and was impressed by some who understood that passing a gun law will do nothing – that this is a problem much broader to do with mental health and with a violent culture.

      There were some like the typical ignorant lefties that think that passing some gun law will be the cure or even do any good at all.

      But on MTP David Gregory was advocating a much broader look at this issue which included mental health and the culture of violence.

      Retiring Senator Joe Lieberman of CT had the idea of having a commission on mass violence to more thoughtfully look at this issue and arrive at more effective solutions. I think it would be a sound idea and Obama should name him to head such a commission.

      • wylrae

        Problem with Obama naming anyone to head a commission is that he will more than likely follow its recommendations much in the manner he has with his Simpson/Boiles(?) commission. Any findings or recommendations will just lay on the shelf collecting dust.

  • Popsmoke

    The press is just as bad as social media in reporting this case. But most of these reporters are blowing smoke as in excuses when it comes to shoddy reporting. Bullshit they are all caught up in this tragedy! This has absolutely shit to do with getting caught up in anything but ratings, scoops and pultzers! Yeah, they are so caught up in the moment that these asses are interviewing 6 year olds….
    How the fuck producers and or executive producers as well as editors are allowing crap to go on the air or in print is dam near criminal.
    Three cheers for the CT State Police to blast away at this crap. But of course the Third Estate only heard the social media comment!

    • FloridaFI

      My question would be, “What Parent would allow any of their juvenile children appear on TV?!” Don’t they care about personal privacy or are their children just personal trophies to present to the world?

  • HELENK2

    http://news.yahoo.com/connecticut-church-near-shooting-evacuated-bomb-threat-180742511.html

    sometimes I really do not like people. this idiot getting his jollies off at other people’s pain

    bomb threat at church near shooting

    • HELENK2

      Confirmed that threat phoned in to St. Rose of Lima in Newtown. All
      activities canceled for the rest of day. Scene under control.

  • HELENK2

    off topic

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/12/gov-dossiers-on-us-citizens/

    I would not trust holder and his dept of crime with directions to the front door

  • Popsmoke

    It only gets worse…. Its not the threat maker… Its the guy who just does it….

    http://m.upi.com/story/UPI-62651355691683/

  • MG6
  • HObama HObamanana

    Another senseless episode of violence against innocents with politicians on all sides all too willing to act as if they actually give a damn. These innocent humans were murdered because a lunatic murdered them. Where was Obamacare to stop him, to save them, to protect us?

    If this lunatic had merely murdered his mother do you think a single politician would utter a word of concern?

    Let’s have an honest discussion about mental illness because that is what caused this senseless tragedy. Instead of politicizing the tragedy let’s pretend to be adults for a while and solve the cause of this madness.

  • Pat Douglas

    “the usual suspects have shown up in the media with the inane, feckless policy recommendations”

    Yeah, all those Republican morons have shown up to suggest that we arm the teachers and the personnel in our grade schools. Put more guns into our schools.

    We have clearly reached a tipping point and the country will no longer tolerate the merchant of death gun manufacturer lobbyist the NRA. The NRA actually had to take down their Facebook page. They will continue to feel the wrath of the American people.

    You want to carry water for the NRA and the gun manufacturers then go right ahead. Bloomberg defeated 4 out of 7 congressmen that he targeted with funds who supported the NRA in the last elected. More will follow.

    “The kid who shot up the place was buzzed into the school by someone.”

    You should check your facts. The murderer shot his way into the school by breaking the glass door with several shots and then walked in through the broken door.

    “Deal with it.”

    We will deal with it. We are going to inact much tougher gun laws. The NRAs days are numbered. They do not even represent their members any more.

    Reducing the number of guns in this society, eliminating assault weapons and large clips, and much tougher background checks will make a big difference and will be a good start

  • bbf

    SCHOOL SHOOTERS ON PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fjLug2b-HM

  • bbf

    There have been reports that nearly all of the mass murder shooters in the US have been on prescription drugs..and that this is being ignored.

    AND…..

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/17/us-killings-tragedies-pakistan-bug-splats

    Mere words cannot match the depths of your sorrow, nor can they heal your wounded hearts … These tragedies must end. And to end them, we must change.” Every parent can connect with what President Barack Obama said about the murder of 20 children in Newtown, Connecticut. There can scarcely be a
    person on earth with access to the media who is untouched by the grief of the people of that town.

    It must follow that what applies to the children murdered
    there by a deranged young man also applies to the children
    murdered in Pakistan by a sombre American president. These
    children are just as important, just as real, just as deserving
    of the world’s concern. Yet there are no presidential speeches
    or presidential tears for them, no pictures on the front pages
    of the world’s newspapers, no interviews with grieving
    relatives, no minute analysis of what happened and why.

    If the victims of Mr Obama’s drone strikes are mentioned by
    the state at all, they are discussed in terms which suggest that they are less than human. The people who operate the drones, Rolling Stone magazine reports, describe
    their casualties as “bug splats”, “since viewing the body
    through a grainy-green video image gives the sense of an insect being crushed”. Or they are reduced to vegetation: justifying the drone war, Obama’s counterterrorism adviser Bruce Riedel explained that “you’ve got to mow the lawn all the time. The minute you stop mowing, the grass is going to grow back”.