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Obama and Hillary Helping Destabilize the Middle East

Neither Barack Obama nor Hillary Clinton created the chaos that defines the present state of the Middle East, but their insane policies certainly have exacerbated the situation. We should not blame the President and the Secretary of State for unsettling matters there. That “honor” belongs to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Damn them to hell.

Those two idiots deposed Saddam Hussein and, without a plan of governance to succeed the Iraqi despot, opened the door for Iran to install its surrogates and ignite fear among the Sunnis in the region that the Shia were taking control. Whenever I hear Republican neocons, like John Bolton, lamenting the Obama policy, I want to strangle them barehanded. Those morons started this fire and now want to pretend that they are the foreign policy version of Smokey the Bear.

But it is Barack and Hillary who are wreaking havoc now. Instead of new policies designed to calm sectarian fires, Barack and Hillary have signed out for out Bushing Bush.

I am not weak-in-the-knees about using covert and clandestine action to depose a foreign leader. If it serves the interest of the United States, I am okay with that. But, if we apply that standard–i.e., does it serve our interest–one question springs to mind with respect to Syria–WHAT THE HELL ARE WE THINKING?

Bashir Assad is no Ghandi. But neither is he Pol Pot nor Hitler. We know for sure that he is not a religious fanatic and, while he has a penchant for serving his own interests above all, he allowed Sunnis and Christians to exist and live without trying to exterminate them. But that kind of regime apparently was beyond the pale as far as Barack and Hillary were concerned. The Obama Administration allowed itself to be gamed by the Saudis, the Qataris and the increasingly Islamist Government of Turkey. Those three Sunni regimes recognized our Iran phobia and played us like Jimi Hendrix played a guitar. They convinced Barack and Hillary that Iran’s influence was spreading and must be stopped and persuaded the United States to back a covert operation to fund and arm “Syrian” rebels.

What our “good” friends the Turks and the Saudis did not tell us is that they were going to recruit and arm men ideologically in sync with what we once called Al Qaeda in Iraq. Sure, there were other “moderate” Sunnis eager to depose Assad, but the actual muscle behind those carrying out the most deadly assaults were AQI.

Barack and Hillary helped set in motion the challenge to Assad’s authority and the spread of the civil war in Syria. The rebels are doing very well near the frontiers with Turkey and Jordan. The country is fractured and the chance that Syria’s central government will remain a force throughout the country slim. Even more unlikely and improbable is the rise of a western style, cosmopolitan civilian government. The people who replace Assad, to take control of Sunni areas in Syria, will be Islamists and will rule by their vision of Sharia.

And what is Obama doing? Trying to figure out whether to hit a seven iron or an eight iron on the par 3 at his local golf course. The man is hapless, clueless and feckless. It is stunning the danger he has helped create in the already volatile Middle East. The coming year will bring more drama and uncertainty.

There is one thing we can take to the bank–the influence of the United States in the region will be further eroded and our ability to influence events in a way that serves our security and economic interests will shrivel like Gorilla testicles in the frigid Artic Ocean.

  • MG6
  • Eyes Wide Open

    “Continually providing billions of dollars, and bypassing Congress to do
    so, along with arming them with military weapons such as F-16 fighter
    jets clearly constitutes giving aid to an enemy.”

    Why are they doing this in Egypt? Is it treason like the opinion of that writer?

    http://lastresistance.com/885/obama-commits-treason-by-arming-egypts-anti-american-dictatorship/

  • TeakWoodKite

    Very interesting post by Ray McGovern:

    The Larger Question of Chuck Hagel

  • Robert Miller

    “chaos that defines the present state of the Middle East”

    Some would call the chaos a step toward freedom and throwing out dictators who violently suppressed their people.

    I know you Larry Johnson would like to go back to the days of the CIA backed dictatorships, but those days are over.

    The transition to more freedom and democracy is almost always messy. Just look to U.S. history.

    You can fear monger all you want, but the Middle East is moving forward. Libya had elected a moderate government. Morsi is getting the message from his people. Assad in Syria will eventually fall. There is no evidence that the people of any of these countries want another repressive regime or one led by extremists. The model is Turkey and not Iran and Iran may yet have their own revolution.

    Since the U.S. is not driving events in the Middle East what are you really proposing? Are you saying the U.S. should be supporting these dictators in order to keep the status quo that you want? How would we do that? Should we be sending in U.S. troops to support Assad or Mubarak? Or are you saying we should do nothing and therefore have zero influence of events and in the aftermath once these dictators are thrown out? You make no sense whatsoever.

    • Fred82

      The nations of the Middle East generally have little or nothing in common with the US.

      How about looking towards Germany or Russia post World War I.

      • Robert Miller

        What is your point? I would say the quest for more freedom and democracy is very common to early American history.

        Comparing the current situation in the Middle East to 1920s and 1930s Germany and Russia is a stretch. How do you figure? Not only are the times completely different, but the politics and structures are completely different. A successful election in Libya and the moderate and secular govenment elected there is a very good sign. They threw out their Hitler and Stalin. Better to compare Libya, Syria and Egypt to Germany in the late 1940s.

        • Fred82

          No,

          We destroyed Nazi Germany and the poisoning of Stalin did not lead to a moderate, secular government that valued individual liberty.

          On another note, Germany in the 1920s and early 30s was actually a democracy. At the same time, the Bolsheviks did not receive the majority of votes or seize power immediately following the abdication of the Tsar.

          Likewise, where is the recent history of enlightenment and democratic principles in the Middle East? For that matter, who has the guns and the money in the Middle East?

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Your stupidity is exceeded only by your naiveté. I am shocked you have not snagged a spot as an Obama foreign policy advisor. Someone with your limited grasp of history and reality would fit right in.

      “Morsi is getting the message from his people.”

      My God. Your blindness and ignorance are bracing. Morsi is securing his dictatorship. However, unlike Mubarak’s largely secular regime, the Morsi version comes replete with Sharia law, which will include limiting what jobs women can do and their freedom to move within society. And you’re comfortable with that? Fuck you.

    • nickoury

      As Larry said, fuck you.

  • TeakWoodKite
  • Deapster

    Obama is primarily a union tool who became their benign face for their own interests. For the rest of the POTUS job, Obambi is just phoning it in. SEIU is doing their final victory dance and by sleuth will finally get their pro-union agenda snuck in under-cover of international distractions.

  • Deapster

    Where is Ahmed Chalabi these days, the smuck who led the neo-cons down this ill-fated primrose path in the first place.

    • Hokma

      probably selling mail order products in late night TV ads.

      • Deapster

        You could only wish, wikipedia keeps up on this scoundrel who is still skulking around the middle east stirring up trouble, this time in Qatar etc but suspected by the French to still be an agent for Iran and seeking ancient Shi’ite blood revenge as well ……

  • HELENK2
  • HObama HObamanana

    In a promising and surprising show of bipartisanship, Senator Dianne Feinstein and the NRA have agreed upon an upper limit for clip sizes, paving the way for unprecedented gun control legislation that everyone agrees with. These otherwise strange bedfellows have adopted the Moore principle, which states that the size of one’s clip must be no larger than one required to take a Michael Moore sized man (or woman) down and keep him or her down. Roughly, for the ordinary sized weapon, this averages out to about a 100 round clip.

    As part of their educational outreach program, each purchaser of a new clip will receive a copy of the Michael Moore connect the dots Firing Range friend where everyone can remain entertained deciding where those 100 shots should be placed to elicit the most efficient and enjoyable experience for one and all. Imagine the great fun.

    • HELENK2

      are elephant guns ok???

      • TeakWoodKite

        Teddy has one at Sagamore Hill. Ask him. /s

    • elizabethrc

      Moore is a man who is capable of only firing blanks. Is it physically possible for a man to ‘blub’ himself to death? Have another 12 donuts, Michael.
      Just wait. It seems that some of the Hollywood ‘elites’ are beginning to have doubts about Obama. An interview with Oliver Stone, and a historian named Peter Kuznick in an interview on a site called RT, said that America has become an Orwellian state. Kuznick said that Obama disregards and operates outside of our laws, is targeting and killing people without judicial review. He spoke of the massive data grabs from private citizens and how the younger among us are relatively unphased by this because they know nothing different. This desensitizing is part of the process of acquiescence by a numbed down people. Sounds disturbingly familiar, doesn’t it?!
      Stone spoke of Obama’s lack of transparency he’d promised, said that he had hoped for a better outcome with O in charge, given “the color of his skin, his upbringing, his internationalism, his globalism”, but he has been sorely disappointed. I have to wonder, aside from his idiotic statement about O’s skin color, (and we all know how important skin color is to competency for a job!!) , what special information Stone has that the rest of us don’t, about Obama’s background. He referred to him as a “wolf in sheep’s clothing”. This speaks to Stone’s woeful lack of insight in ‘reading’ people.
      Aside from giving Obama far too much credit, vis a vis his history, this is a shocking turnaround for Stone. Let’s hope it’s contagious.

  • HELENK2

    Mediator says additional extension for larger negotiations in port labor dispute will last until end of Jan. 28, 2013 – @Reuters

    • HELENK2

      US dock workers labor dispute

      Mediator: Maritime Alliance, Longshoreman’s Association agree on
      container royalty issue, further negotiations on larger deal – @Reuters

    • Deapster

      Obama II will be the all unions, all the time channel. Watch them manipulate the public focus away from their stealth campaign to get their agenda crammed down our throats.

      Stay tuned American and Chamber of Commerce, we are counting on you to be our 24/7 watchdogs for the next four years.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/12/28/white-house-botches-schwarzkopf-statement/

    SNAFU for this white house. they could not even get the statement honoring General Schwarzkopf right

    • TeakWoodKite

      Typical.

  • HELENK2
    • Deapster

      Of course I may well be wrong but my sneaking suspicion is Hilary’s current cover is to state she will be back on the job soon (Monday?) yet will then have a relapse and get a note from her doctor to cover her until Kerry gets sworn in as SOS. She can only fall on her sword for Obama so many times before her wounds are fatal.

      • KenoshaMarge

        The wounds to her integrity, if she ever had any, are all ready fatal.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/bre8br06f-us-pakistan-taliban/

    Pakistan-taliban says it will talk but not disarm

  • HELENK2

    off topic

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/28/Little-time-left-to-head-off-longshoremens-strike

    no one seems to be paying attention to the coming longshoreman’s strike. It will shut down a lot of the country and cause much economic harm.
    we really could use some competence and character now

    • HELENK2
      • Deapster

        Starve those profits from those greedy corporations. Bring them to their knees! (Obat war cry)

        • KenoshaMarge

          Yeah! Because those greedy damn corporations don’t provide jobs or anything. Only government provides jobs. s/

    • KenoshaMarge

      We really could use some competence and character now. Any idea where we might find some?

      Whatever does or does not happen we all know, beforehand, that it isn’t the fault of the Commander In Chief. Because nothing ever is.

    • HELENK2
      • KenoshaMarge

        He can’t handle “one thing at a time.” A leader – leads. This POS just spews insults at the GOP and he, and his dismal followers, think that’s leadership. Lucky for him that the new rulers of the USA, the corrupt, biased, dishonest liberal media still thinks he’s just swell. Which shows you are intellectually barren they are.

    • HELENK2
    • Deapster

      Obama is a union tool. Plus shutting down US ports will starve greedy US corporate profits. Obama gets a two-fer. Once Obama guts the US Navy, there will be no US protection of global shipping lanes anyway. The times, they say are a’changin’. (Make sure you drop that ghetto last “g”.)

    • Deapster

      See where the average longshore union wage is $124,000. Uh, oh, a few more bucks and they may well move into being the “rich” to tax more for their fair share.

      Of course the strike is not about any more pay, but for “royalties” paid per container off loaded. One can hardly get sympathy for these feather-bedded workers who already make $124,000 a year.

      Do you just suppose they are scamming the system and keeping their “wages” artificially low with these alternate forms of “income”.

      Remind me again how the public discourse labels corporations “greedy” but union workers are not?

  • HELENK2

    http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2012/12/27/the-man-who-forgot-to-lose/

    General Schwarzkopf’s speech to the West Point Cadets

    two things you must have Competence and Character

    both are missing from American leaders today. The lack of both is hurting this country very badly

  • getfitnow

    Ambassador Stevens and his support staff could not be reached for comment. /s

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/12/27/us/politics/ap-us-us-central-african-republic.html?hp&_r=0

  • KenoshaMarge

    What no one, and this includes most definitely Bush and Cheney seems able to do is see past the moment.
    Do any of the smart people every stop to think about the consequences of their actions? Do they think about what comes next?

    It seems to me that they certainly did not in Libya or Egypt and both the left and the right seem intent on making Assad out to be the worst critter possible for Syria. Yet it is the rebels who are including AQ. WTF?

    I am no expert on the ME and don’t pretend to be. Most of the time I haven’t a clue about what’s going on or what will happen next. What’s truly frightening, at least to me, is the the POSTUS and the SoS seem as clueless as I am. They just spout b.s. and probably think they are as smart as the press tells us they are. And we all know how reliable the press is.

    OT but I just read about the death of General Schwarzkopf, a man I admired. RIP sir. RIP.

    • getfitnow

      I hope the GOP senate members hold firm on not moving forward with Kerry until Clinton testifies. Is it testimony? Is it under oath? One question: Who gave the “stand-down order?”

      http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/1/27/exclusive_clinton_returning_to_work_next_week

      • HARP2

        Second question. What was he, and other 30 people doing there?

        • TeakWoodKite

          And where are those thirty people now? Not one quip or comment from even un-named sources have I read about who they are.

          • foxyladi14

            YES we want to hear their story.

      • KenoshaMarge

        I hope they hold firm too. Because like her or not, and I no longer do, she is the SoS, this did happen on her watch, and she has some answering to do.

        Saying she takes full responsibility means nothing if there are no consequences. Just more hot-air.

        The GOP should make it perfectly clear that they are willing to wait until Secretary Clinton is fully recovered to question her.

        They should also make it perfectly clear that Kerry will be in limbo until then.

        Then stand back and watch the usual liberal/media fauxrage dance when they GOP doesn’t immediately, and completely, accede to their demands.

    • getfitnow

      Re: the General:

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/27/gen-norman-schwarzkopf-who-led-coalition-forces-in-persian-gulf-war-dies/

      Compare and contrast to many of the high ranking officers today.

      RIP General.

      • KenoshaMarge

        JMO opinion but it seems to me that we now have more “politicians” than genuine soldiers in the upper ranks.

        Perhaps we always did and I just wasn’t aware. I have always believed that MaCarthur was the quintessential “political” officer. Schwarzkopf was not. JMO

    • foxyladi14

      AMEN

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Aren’t takfiri salafis like AQ and similar “movements” all part of the larger, global Alinskiite revolution that Obama and his inner circle so admire? It sure looks like they’ve convinced themseleves of this.

    • Fred82

      Well,

      I would definitely say that Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, the Weather Underground, and the rest of that gang remind me of bowel movements.

      On the other hand, as much as I hate AQ, I must say I have developed a begrudging respect for them. Then again, the Schutzstaffel were detestable too, yet the Waffen SS was deserving of respect in spite of their evils.

      • Retired_from_SPOnaj

        With regard to the Waffen-SS, a little known historical fact is that there were more non-German Waffen-SS troops defending Hitler during his final days in Berlin than there were German Waffen-SS. By way of additional trivia, in W.E.B. Griffin’s Honor Bound series on the OSS in Latin America, U.S. Marine officer Cletus Frade becomes quite insulted when a comparison is made between the Corps and the Waffen-SS.
        In real life WWII, the late Col. Peter Ortiz USMC (ret.), then a 1stLt assigned to OSS as an advisor to the Maquis in southern France, was having a drink in a Marseilles saloon when he overheard a German soldier loudly dissing the USMC. Insulted, Ortiz left the bar, put on his Marine green Winter Service Alpha uniform replete with medals won while he was with the French Foreign Legion, put on a trenchcoat over the uniform, and returned to the bar. The German soldier was still ranting about the Marines, so Ortiz whipped off his trenchcoat and forced the German soldiers present to drink several toasts to the U.S. Marines at gunpoint. He then left the bar and blew up a German troop train. Not a guy to mess with.

        • Fred82

          Oh yeah,

          There was even that Handschar division that recruited Bosnian Muslims. I think Central Asians helped suppress the Warsaw Ghetto uprising.

          I didn’t come away with that strong an impression of the foreign recruits. There were issues like fights between them and German officers, thinking they were going to get their independence from Germany, lack of ideological commitment, etc. The training of the Waffen SS really took a hit due to manpower issues as well. Towards the end, the flagship unit of the Waffen SS, the Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, had knocked recruit training down to four weeks. At their peak, I still might say the Waffen SS was the best fighting unit of WWII. Of course, they got worse and we got better.

          Though I must say Felix Steiner and Otto Skorzeny were something else.

          And I do see where people would see similarities between the Waffen SS and USMC.

          As for the OSS, my granddad was buddies with a few of those guys and they would come over to the house for drinks. My dad heard more than one or two interesting stories and said the OSS guys were some of the baddest men he ever met.

          • Retired_from_SPOnaj

            The one OSS veteran that I met was a bad dude, indeed. So bad that he retired from the CIA during the 1970s Congressional hearings, bought a boat, and sailed out of US waters, and fundamentally disappeared for awhile so that he wouldn’t be called to testify. The second baddest dude that I met, my first COS, once said that the OSS veteran, who had been his boss when he was a junior officer, “scared” him. That COS was later abducted and killed by Hezbollah. Hezbollah obligingly videotaped the proceedings and sent us a copy. But the press doesn’t give a shit about those tapes, just the ones of enhanced interrogation techniques. Wouldn’t want to offend Hezbollah, now, would we?

            • TeakWoodKite

              Always insightful Retired.

            • Fred82

              Well,

              Much of the MSM are partisan hacks, brainwashed subversives, or money grubbing goons. Sadly, there is simply a lot more money in the US interrogation tapes.

              On another note, this COS’s name wasn’t Bill Buckley, was it?

              • Retired_from_SPOnaj

                Yes. A brave man and a fine leader. Ironically, the lessons that I learned from his abduction and death are probably the reason why I survived.

            • Popsmoke

              The press… Don’t start me… When Pearl was beheaded. The WSJ sent a request to all news rooms asking them not to show the video or mention the word “beheaded” citing concerns for the family….
              Most did as requested! Don’t start me!

          • Hokma

            “OSS guys were some of the baddest men he ever met”

            My late father never would speak about the OSS and his time with them. Prior to D-Day he was behind enemy lines for about 6 or 8 months according to my grandfather and they had no idea where he was or why because they did not know he was attached to the OSS and no one would tell them. During that time they thought he was MIA or captured. I know he had a bayonet wound in his leg and likely killed Germans. But he would always change the subject if I asked him a question about that time.

            • Retired_from_SPOnaj

              I wonder if your late father knew my late OSS acquaintance? He, too, was in France a few months before D-Day. The pistol that he carried is now on display at the CIA museum in Hqs at Langley.

  • HELENK2

    by doing nothing about Benghazi and helping sharia law expand in the ME backtrack and hillary are making the USA a paper tiger with no teeth

  • HELENK2

    brought this up from downstairs

    backtrack helping Al qada in Yemen

    Is there any country in the ME that he has not helped the islamist or al qada??

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/26/drones-yemen-fbi-occupy-terrorism

  • HARP2

    Syrian rebel leader: “We want Sharia to be applied because it’s the right path for all humanity”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/12/syrian-rebel-leader-we-want-sharia-to-be-applied-because-its-the-right-path-for-all-humanity.html

    Strange how this is the same for every country Obama supports.

    • foxyladi14

      And for US too.

    • Robert Miller

      Jihadwatch.org???

      Boy, that is an unbias source.

      Which rebel leader? There are many. If they want Sharia, which there are many different interpretations, then that is their choice. Nothing wrong with that.

      “Strange how this is the same for every country Obama supports.”

      Libya elected a secular government and did not elect the Muslim Brotherhood, so you statement is completely BS. There is no push by the new Libya leaders for Sharia law. Obama did not support the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, as he merely supported those who wanted greater democracy and freedom in Egypt. So what the hell are you talking about?

      • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

        You are an idiot. Obama’s intervention in Egypt most certainly provided the welcome mat that has brought the Muslim Brothers to power.

        • Retired_from_SPOnaj

          And an interesting welcome mat it is, too. Instead of “Welcome,” it says. “Leave your bacon at the door, slaves (now legal) and women please use the service entrance.”

          • Robert Miller

            Although you continually joke, for a guy of your age and experience you come across as fairly narrow minded and frankly just stupid. Hard to believe you spent a life working to promote U.S. interests abroad. No wonder so many in this world hate Americans. Guys like you did so much damage in this world and now you cannot deal with a world that is changing and moving away from or resisting America.

        • Robert Miller

          Again, the implication of the comment above along with many of the conspiracy comments on this website is that Obama is a muslim and supports Sharia. Just because Obama support the ousting of Mubarak does not mean that he supported the Muslim Brotherhood or Sharia.

          Also, there is nothing wrong with Sharia law. There are many different interpretations, some extreme and some not so extreme. The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt tends to be of the less extreme nature and more secular. The Evangelicals in the U.S. may even be preaching for a stronger role for religion in government than the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

          It is still too early to tell, but Egypt may very well be on the path to more freedom and democracy. How much have you actually read about Morsi and his views of government and religion? By the way did you know that Morsi only got about 30% of the vote in Egypt?

          Libya has elected a completely secular government. The Muslim Brotherhood candidate in that country did not even come close winning the election.

          I know you want instant American style democracy and freedoms in the Middle East, but it will not happen overnight. Sorry if you have such high standards, higher standards than what even happened in U.S. history. Sorry that you want to hold Obama responsible for all these big and dramatic changes in the Middle East. That is strange. For the most part Obama has been hands off in the Middle East. In fact, according to many foreign policy experts he has actually been withdrawing the U.S. from the Middle East and focusing more attention on Asia.