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(Thank you uppity woman and No Quarter for bringing these stories out to us.)

This is where I become a hawk and cultural imperialist – I would have no problem with America going into ALL these Islamic countries and taking down the religious governments in favor of Western-style secular democracies, if we could do it without a tremendous loss of life.

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No we can’t do that — That is Their culture — it’s ethnocentric to even criticize what those males to do their women . . . .

BULL SH*T

If it is their religion which demands that 1/2 of the population is disposable and has few basic human rights — then that religion need drastic modification.

If it is their god who demands that women be treated in a sub human manner — then they need to find another god.

The males from those women hating countries come to the US to our colleges and those men are pigs. They were when I went to college — we had a huge International student population. I told not much has changed — most of the men coming from the sexist misogynistic countries are still pigs.

This is learned behavior — and THIS is one of the reasons I will never, can never vote for pig Obama. I picked up the chauvinistic arrogance in his speech and his manners towards women. He is disgusting.

As much as I admire Hillary — I still think that she is DAMNED stupid to go to work for that jerk — after what he did to her and ALL women during his misogynistic campaign.

If we don’t stop this abuse of women THERE — it could come here in the distant future. (Well that line worked for bush in rushing the US to war.)

Obama declared war on women. And that’s the way I really feel. Anyone who voted for Obama is a sexist pig.

The woman in green sari in the third video (from Bangladesh, not India) is remarkable. I have three words for solving this: education, education, education. Go, look at middle class young woman who are benefiting from all the IT boom in India now — parents even educate girls (in engineering) to get those jobs because they can easily be married off. But the numbers are huge and for change to percolate to all layers is a humongous task.

In rural India, poverty and illiteracy, not to mention culturally accepted sexism are at the root of this. {But then, if that were the case, how do we explain the sexism we saw in America in the recent months? When I first came to this country in the 80s, as an atheist, I was surprised to find so much religion in this country, so rich and literate, yet so backward was what I thought. And now, after having seen the political process this year, it is not that much different from other struggling democracies, except much of it is done in sophisticated ways and then the embarrassing details swept under the rug.}

I agree. We do have to worry about women’s rights being eroded here and other western countries.

Someone posted the other day that a scottish judge was lenient on a speeder (who was muslim) because he was speeding from his first wife’s house to his second wife’s house. the guy apparently gave a big sob story on how difficult it is to travel every day from one city to another to sleep with both women and the judge bought it. it’s ridiculous.

I too agree wholeheartedly HRC has set herself up for more abuse by working for the ultimate sexist pig obama. I’m very sad she chose this route..being subservient to a chauvinist jerk.

Are you kidding? After the way half of this country treated Hillary Clinton, you think you have the right to go lecture to those countries about women? With all the wealth and education here, this culture is not that much different.

We did that in Iran a while back. Remember the Shah? That worked out really well…Also, strange as it may seem, Saddam Hussein’s government was a US secular puppet in Iraq until we decided to take his oil…And in Afghanistan, we bombed it to rubble and put Hamid Karzai in charge; women started to take off their burkhas. But lo, the Taliban are back with a vengeance.

The US needs to get the message – installing governments in the Middle East doesn’t work for women or anyone else. War and puppet governments are not the solution.

Get it now, war hawk?

parents even educate girls (in engineering) to get those jobs because they can easily be married off.

OK, this was in half jest but all kinds of incentives for parents are there, not to mention money and independence and therefore, more control about one’s well being and future.

We are talking about the murder MURDER

and mutilation of girls women — that is not acceptable in ANY country.

LIFE is being taken away from women — they are DEAD because of the male chauvinist pig religion — this is what I object to.

For defending the murder of women I guess that makes YOU a male chauvinist pig. Some of you damned liberals are so damned PC dense. You males have absolutely no concept about the daily torture that many women go through in this country and in other countries — but especially the women hating Muslim countries.

I REFUSE to be silent any longer — and I support Uppity’s efforts to shed some truth about the monsters who use their religion as a shield.

Repeating this is about TORTURE & MURDER of women — simply because the chauvinist pig male can get away with murder.

Obama was raised in that culture and he is a sexist pig.

Women did have it better under the secular Saddam Hussein — they could wear western clothes if they wanted to — and they could work and hold jobs outside of the home.

Riverbend was a great blog by a young women who worked as a computer programmer.

In Iraq, thanks to GWB lust for oil — women have suffered.

There are ways short of way that can force changes — What we need is a hell of a lot more powerful women in politics and business ALL OVER THE WORLD — to force changes in the behavior of male chauvinist pigs.

Take it easy, Northwest. I still object to Hillary or bust’s hawkish cultural imperialism.

So you want to install a secular dictator everywhere.

Google: women + education + lower birth rate

I made a comment about this a day or so ago.

Educating girls lowers the birth rate — there are many reasons — but this is one of the benefits of educating girls and women.

Apparently the insecure sexist pig male what to keep their women passive and uneducated.

Again this is learned behavior — and strings can be attached to aid or loans or even business deals — That’s why we need women in positions of power not damned token crap jobs like SoS.

Murdering and torturing of women will NOT stop if we merely treat the chauvinist pigs politely.

I no longer accept the lie that we must remain silent because murdering women is their culture — bull sh**.

It wasn’t so long ago (1970s) in the US that husbands and boyfriends could beat their wives and not get into trouble with the law.

Now there are women’s shelters and there is a shift in attitude that beating the crap out of women is WRONG.

This is learned behavior and it can be unlearned.

I would arm them and train them to defend themselves…Why not?
I heard on BBC radio there is a band of armed WOMEN who go after Men who commit crimes in Rural communities…Heard the story this weekend and they interviewed their leader who acts as judge…

This is one reason why I cheered Senator Clinton for SOS.

It would seem that the Bush administration only highlighted the plight of women in Afghanistan as a means to justify invasion. The Burka ,as a symbol, is never seen anymore as if all of these issues have gone away with the might of our military. The Taliban elements that threw acid in the faces of school aged girls trying to go to school didn’t make the news. Laura Bush “expressed sadness” in her radio address. As long as the victims of this brutality are mere women and children, it rarely makes the news unless it is a justification for something else.

It is apparent to me that we cannot in good faith “negotiate” with these “elements” unless we wish to endanger 50 percent of the human population to continued brutality.

This was in India…and these women were having impact…

Cultural imperialism is one thing — I hate having the US EAST coast dictate to the West coast. One of the reasons I boycott tv.

What I am objecting to is the permissive attitude in Muslim countries of the murder and torture of women. A woman or girl is raped and SHE is murdered.

I’m saying this has nothing to do with religion or culture — it is a learned hatred of women.

Yes I remember reading about these women as well.

Whatever it takes to get this behavior to change. Also the damned men are being aided by their families (other women) because the dowry wasn’t big enough.

Women can be down right vicious toward other women. (We saw “liberal” women in the US rip into Sarah Palin.)

No — that’s not what I said — I was merely agreeing that under the dictator Saddam women had it easier.

In an ideal world there would be a wall the between church and state.

Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship — of male chauvinist pigs. As far as I know all dictators are males.

I say Arm and train them and let them go AMAZON TO STOP THIS SHIT…

Think of the massive domestic violence in this country, the rapes unreported, under reported and the horrifically small conviction rate, the misogynist TV/move/internet video depiction of women, sex trade we refuse to acknowledge, assault on little girls (boys, too, I know–right now let’s focus on girls). I live blocks from a mosque in a North Texas city. There is a definite subjuagation of women in this “free” nation, however “eqaul” it appears from these Middle Eastern countries. Add a few radical Islamic terrorists to the mix of American male chauvinism, and women at home and abroad will continue losing our rights. The blatant display of female sexuality in young girls and women to “please” men vis a vis the violence toward women is very American. Add the harsh Islamic radical subjugation of women via burkas, isolation in the home, male relative bodyguards required on outings and “honor” killings for MALE assualts on women, and this country, the land of the free, is a ticking time bomb. BHO is a chauvinist through and through–all weak men are. I still feel sick knowing Hillary is anywhere near him. Maybe she is operating on the dictum of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer.

I’m at work and afraid to click on the links, but this is very disturbing. And yet Pakistan elected a woman speaker of the Parliament back in March (per Wiki) and also, per Wiki. . .

The National Assembly elections that were held in October 2002 had 91 women elected to its Parliament – the largest number and percentage of women in the parliament of any Muslim-majority country.

Hmmmm….The US smuggles arms into countries to aid Freedom Fighters…Why Not Women?
I would be great if Women could be organized and trained to defend themselves…A GUN is a great equalizer…and an International language…

A GUN is a great equalizer…and an International language…

lol. very true.

Well I can’t post the link…sigh….
Savage politics is posting a story about Michael Jackson converting to Islam…chuckle…Hide the Kids…Another cultural import from America to the Middle East

The Greeks were fascinated by the Amazons…Hmmmm…An Army of Kickass Females…Why Not?

Where are Charlie`s Angels when you need them ?

Cultural Imperialism can lead to indoor plumbing…GASP!…I get a little fed up with Grass Hut Puritanism…chuckle….

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2008/12/taliban_are_patriots.php
* sigh *
This article is about Taliban being called Patriots…

If Obama makes it into office and, HRC is confirmed as S of S, maybe she can persuade the man who gave her the finger because questions asked by news interviewers in their Presidential ‘debate’ made him appear unqualified for office.

This is where I become a hawk and cultural imperialist – I would have no problem with America going into ALL these Islamic countries and taking down the religious governments in favor of Western-style secular democracies, if we could do it without a tremendous loss of life.

Then, the war in Iraq is justified, right? Because the torture and rape chambers were there. Genocide and mutilations were part of the lives of Iraqis under Saddam Hussein’s rule. My fear is that this kind of horror will reappear or continue because it is culturally tolerated, particularly with women being seen as chattel.

I don’t know who wrote this comment that starts with BULL SH..IT- but whoever did, G-d bless you. It underlines everything I am feeling today. Most people do not study Islam, not even the muslim americans that are trigger happy to follow Allah because of their parent’s sake, and never really sit down and read about it. I studied Islam because I wanted to understand why men treated women in such in a animal fashion. Muslims believe that Christians worship three gods. They view Christians as tritheist- worshippers and they continue teaching this false doctrine learning to their children. Teachings from the Hadith have profound effects on Muslims lives. Muhammad said in Hadith 9:459 that Allah guarantees anyone who engages in holy war (jihad) for the cause of believing in Allah’s word, he would either admit the jihad fighter into paradise or return him with his reward to his residence. Interestingly, the Hadith addresses specific conduct between men and women. Muhammad said “It is not permissible for a male to be alone with a woman, and no lady should travel except with a Muhram.i.e. her husband or person. None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day”.
In other words, don’t beat her up unless you plan to have intercourse. Muhammad was a false prophet who twisted the Torah to his convenience and led this trouble twisted religion from believing in Yeshua to what we see today, a corrupted mislead children of G-d who made Muhammad their Messiah and his G-d their G-d. Even though Muhammad died almost fourteen hundred years ago, his corrupted sayings and acts are still considered “rigid guidance”, and affect billions of Muslims today. If Yeshua taught the same way, we would be having a Judeo war instead. But, Yeshua taught us peace and love. You can’t change a billion muslim, but, you hope the moderate muslim can do this task instead!

Cultural Imperialism is a Hack argument imho…Civilization progresses…or moves backward.
Indoor Plumbing and Roads for Commerce…Or Grass Huts…Sheeesh!
Empires expand as they have always done…and adaptation is a singular human survival trait. Those that argue against Cultural Imperialism are also the ones who Cry for intervention…sheeesh!

Not sure where you get the impression that things were better for women under Saddam Hussein. Even some moslem prohibitions protecting women were not observed.
“One of the condemned women was pregnant. This presented a problem, said Ahmad, because under religious law a pregnant woman should at least be allowed to finish her term and deliver the baby before being executed. ‘She was several months’ pregnant,’ he said. ‘The doctor had verified it, she had said so and we could see her swollen stomach. She was taken in and out three times – everyone was unsure what to do with her.’ Telephone calls were made to Uday by his representative. As they waited, the woman sobbed and begged for mercy for her unborn child. On the third telephone call the order was given to go ahead with her execution. ‘At that the woman was beheaded – and knowing she was pregnant, I felt sick in the stomach and wished for Allah to open up the ground and swallow everyone there including myself,’ said Ahmad.”
– Sunday Times, London, July 27, 2003

do some research.

Just because someone immigrates to another country it does not give them the right to break that country’s laws. Even if his two “wives” were only sanctioned by his religion, judicial officials don’t use speeding to a mistress as an excuse for breaking the law. But the U. S. does this “cultural” excuse also. One instance I’m familiar with was the Cambodian refugees who settled in California and tried to push the schools to segregate classes based on sex and Cambodian social class back in the 80s. Another was in Minnesota during the 90s where a 12 year old girl kept running away from her much older husband because he treated her badly and her parents kept sending her back. Social services didn’t seem too concerned, calling it a “cultural thing”. And then there is the taxidriver who recently killed his two teenage daughters for being “too Americanized” and still believes he had the right to do even in the USA.

And I agree that by condoning what happened to the two women candidates in this last election Soertoro/Obama has given tacit approval to treating women as second class citizens; probably because he spent his formative years in countries where women were treated like these in the videos. What I did recognized is that Mr. Soertoro/Obama seems to have a big problem with women; especially American women.

And if he ever gets to be president (he is not the president elect yet, he has one more hurdle to clear and the electoral college does NOT have to choose him with that big eligibility question unanswered – wish our government officials understood our Constitution as well as We the People do.) his intolerance of women will be a big problem for him both in the United States and countries with women heads of state.

Melisa…Women were better off in general with regards to education and business. Check out the Stats and compare to IRAN under the Ayatollah.

That I will give you, the Ayatollah was

horrific

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But compare now to Hussein. Not sure what he means by that…

This is how much ignorance is jammed into our muslim children. Muslim radicals believe that Yeshua will return and judge people by the Law of Quran, and establish Islam as the only religion of the world. After Yeshua has establish this, he will die, (Hadith 4:658;3:425). The question to our muslim tigger happy friends in the middleast who burn women and kill innocent people is : How come Yeshua came down from the royal heavens, killed everybody, establish Islam, and then dropped dead? Wouldn’t Allah spread his life?

The difference between these both religions are significant. One believes that the incarnate G-d is peaceful and the other one believes that their warrior G-d wants to wipe out everybody else. We must continue this education in these muslim countries about the important attributes of G-d, love, righteous and just. If we don’t, women will still continue to have acid thrown in their faces because the old false doctrine is passed from ONE SON to ANOTHER SON. Didn’t we stop slavery? Didn’t we educate our sons and daughter to stop being bigots. Didn’t we just elected a bi-racial candidate? Then the muslim can be saved by education only and that means to bring peace in Irag and other middleeastern countries and now run and leave their countries in turmoil with these beasts.

FROM HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH:
“Women’s Status in the Post-Gulf War Years
In the years following the 1991 Gulf War, many of the positive steps that had been taken to advance women’s and girls’ status in Iraqi society were reversed…The most significant political factor was Saddam Hussein’s decision to embrace Islamic and tribal traditions as a political tool in order to consolidate power. According to the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO), as a result of the national literacy campaign, as of 1987 approximately 75 percent of Iraqi women were literate; however, by year-end 2000, Iraq had the lowest regional adult literacy levels, with the percentage of literate women at less than 25 percent.

Women and girls have also suffered from increasing restrictions on their freedom of mobility and protections under the law. The government issued numerous decrees and introduced legislation negatively impacting women’s legal status in the labor code, criminal justice system, and personal status laws. In 2001, the U.N. Special Rapporteur for Violence against Women reported that since the passage of the reforms in 1991, an estimated 4,000 women and girls had been victims of “honor killings.”

Furthermore, as the economy constricted, in an effort to ensure employment for men the government pushed women out of the labor force and into more traditional roles in the home. In 1998, the government reportedly dismissed all females working as secretaries in governmental agencies. Women’s freedom to travel abroad was also legally restricted and formerly co-educational high schools were required by law to provide single-sex education only, further reflecting the reversion to religious and tribal traditions. As a result of these combined forces, by the last years of Saddam Hussein’s government the majority of women and girls had been relegated to traditional roles within the home.
http://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/wrd/iraq-women.htm

Sunni vs. Shia…that’s what I mean. Compared to Western society it still sux…I’m just sayin’

Wonder what would happen…if an organized and armed band of women demanded their own province/territory to be controlled by Females…Hmmmm….How would the WORLD react to that?

On July 16, 1979, President Bakr was succeeded by Saddam Hussein, whose regime steadily developed an international reputation for repression, human rights abuses, and terrorism.

A long-standing territorial dispute over control of the Shatt-al-Arab waterway between Iraq and Iran broke into full-scale war on Sept. 20, 1980, when Iraq invaded western Iran. The eight-year war cost the lives of an estimated 1.5 million people and finally ended in a UN-brokered cease-fire in 1988. Poison gas was used by both Iran and Iraq.

Certainly, the Ayatollah in Iran was worse, but only by degrees.

Yeah, none of it is good. Could we chart these guys as crazy to craziest?

The first gulf war was destabilizing, and though it served the purpose of freeing Kuwait, I have to wonder what heartache would have been avoided by “finishing the job” then.
If your going to do it, and you think it is justified, then do it.
Of course, hindsight is always stolen wisdom, but what a mess.

Crazy MOFO’s…all of them…imho…

Agree…Americans have little stomach for Empirical actions…Tends to be bloody…
But stabilizing…

Well. Imagine how much of a disconnect there is here in the center — or what the cultural mavens of the left and right coasts call the void. Patronized, minimized, demonized, and every four years we are called bible clinging, gun loving, small thinking racists. This year was just the first time the candidate said it. Out.loud. Raised the middle finger to his female opponent. Used an athem with “bitch” at a rally. Any woman who voted for him condones the attitude of sexism as much as a bystander to a cross burning condones racism.

Tribalism is what it is…And we the descendants of the Romans…are just as Baffled by it as they were…

Don’t be so sure. As a DV counselor, you have no idea how many times I hear the police shows up at a beating and DOESN’T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY and NEGLECTS to report it. Sometimes even treating the woman like a crazy person. Abusers have a neat trick of acting calm & collected when the law shows up.

If they are pathologically narcissistic or sociopathic it can’t be unlearned. But potential victims can learn not to be charmed by these predators and run the other way. That takes time and admitting there ARE soul less creatures out there who walk & talk just like us. Not all pathologicals kill — physically.

Add to that, in case you haven’t seen it, the turkey “dressed” for Thanksgiving, in a bikini, with its legs spread wide apart, waiting to be raped…oh wait, I guess that was supposed to be funny.

Marital Rape is now against the Law…There has been progress but vigilance is still needed…

Speaking of destabilizing:
The point could be made that dictatorships are very stable.
And they are cruel.
Democracies are not flawless. I go back to the Lincoln/Douglas debates. Douglas argued the people, by consensus should settle the slavery issue. Lincoln contended that this is both a democracy and a republic, and statesmen should stand for truth and the common good. Slavery should be eliminated because it was wrong.
Lincoln said Douglas “cares not whether slavery is voted down or voted up,” and that he would “blow out the moral lights around us” and eradicate the love of liberty.”
If the majority determines the rights of the minority, then the majority can become the cruelest dictator.
Our founding fathers, though flawed, had the wisdom to see that we have some “unalienable rights”, and those God given: no government, or no populous, are justified in removing them.
What if douglas had won the debate? When would slavery had ended?
When it works, our form of government is uniquely safe for freedoms.

The moderator will not allow me to continue our interesting discussion Melisa…I guess I am now a Troll as I have been trying and this is my 6th attempt.
Free Speech…lol

Amnesty International: Stop Violence Against Women
Every minute of every day all over the world, women are harassed, attacked and even killed just for being women, daughters, Sisters, mothers, children. It doesn’t have to be this way. Amnesty International is working to stop it. Making a difference is easier than you think. The first step is making your voice heard, make some noise to stop violence against women.Take action at Amnesty Internationals’ website.
http://www.amnesty.org/
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Thank you Uppity Woman and No Quarter, for letting the others know about the continual suffering of women throughout the world. Here at home, woman are beaten and some are murdered horrifically. I recall one woman who died a horrific death
Woman Tied Up, Set On Fire In North Oakland
[After extinguishing the flames, firefighters found the fully clothed victim hog-tied amid the debris, hands and ankles behind her back, semiconscious and in shock, Drayton said.

Police found signs that the victim, an African-American woman who appeared to be in her late '30's or early 40's, was beaten and then tied to a fixed object before being sprayed with an unknown chemical and set ablaze, Oakland police Officer Roland Holmgren said.]

http://cbs5.com/local/oakland.woman.fire.2.446496.html
and seeing nothing, nor anyone speaking up for her.

I doubt anyone here heard about the story but its one of many across the country that the news media doesn’t cover to the extent it should. We have become complacent in accepting these acts of violence against women. Some of us track these events because we see an alarming trend that government agencies don’t seem to corned with.

The misogyny/sexism that we saw in this campaign against Senator Clinton and Governor Palin is a symptom of a fast growing disease in our country and it must be stopped.

Thank you for showing the truth about what misogyny/sexism looks like and for MAKING SOME NOISE TO STOP IT!

Oops that was ‘concerned’ with…

Yup, we’ll see a trickle down theory from this election all right and it won’t be an economic one. Stand your ground ladies.

pm317,

You have a point.

The best way to stop the violence in other countries would be for our society to be exemplary in our treatment of women.

We are not.

And as long as the entertainment industry continues to indoctrinate each generation of young women in a tits & ass mindset, America cannot be superior to the rest of the world.

By setting an example, we encourage women in other societies to stand up for themselves. In addition to supporting these women, they also have to stand up for themselves no matter how dangerous.

It’s war. And yes, there will be casualties.

Sounds good to me.

Amnesty International: Stop Violence Against Women
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdYhmcVgaYI
Every minute of every day all over the world, women are harassed, attacked and even killed just for being women, daughters, Sisters, mothers, children. It doesn’t have to be this way. Amnesty International is working to stop it. Making a difference is easier than you think. The first step is making your voice heard, make some noise to stop violence against women.Take action at Amnesty Internationals’ website.
http://www.amnesty.org/
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Strawberrybitch,

I see you found a way to take that word away from them, we must do that, until it is totally defused and can’t be used against us.

You know, maybe we need to START TO DIVEST FROM MISOGYNY/SEXISM, just as we all did with Apartheid in South Africa. I tell my friends that they are among the top one percent (women own 1% of titled land in world) in the world and it is up to US now to help other women throughout the world and here at home.

So, LADIES DIVEST FROM MISOGYNY! I am going to write Dr. Lynette Long and ask that we start with that as one of our efforts in the ’4th Wave of Feminism’!

Like SBB said, “Stand your ground ladies.”!

Can you imagine the uproar of a separatist movement of FEMALES…Wanting a homeland or territory free of gender violence and willing to fight for it…Holy Mary Mother of God!…What a HOOT…
An Amazonia…Not without Men…Just controlled through Matriarchy..socially…politically…
economically….Things that make you go
Hmmmm…..

Religion is not the cause. The Catholic Church has been discriminating and demeaning women for centuries. It is men who use religion to enslave women. It is the apartheid for women of the world, it is just a matter of degree where you find it. It would happen here if it was tolerated legally. It is a hell of a lot older than racism and a hell of a lot deeper in the human psyche, sad to say.

Gosh, I almost forgot, it was also legal to RAPE your wife, not to long ago and women could be committed into insane asylums if they were ‘not good wives’ by their husband and they were also considered property! If we forget we are bound to repeat. Yup, as the Indian lady said, “Education, Education, Education”.

Page 793 from the Encyclopedia of the Developing World.

http://books.google.com/books?id=3mE04D9PMpAC&pg=PA793&lpg=PA793&dq=saddam+built+roads,+colleges&source=web&ots=6yKVxGoaw0&sig=x_BGajhHBptv7_SLTEoG0mQcivQ&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

“Saddam moderized Iraq. Money flowed in after the Ba’athist nationalized the Iraq Petroleum Company and OPEC quadrupled the price of crude oil. Saddam’s government built roads and extended irrigation canals. Factories srang up. Primary education was made compulsory and the university system was expanded. The position of women was greatly improved.”

The next paragraph is about the price paid by everyone living under Saddam.

But yes, the situation for women was better under Saddam. Roads, food, education, and jobs.

How is that not an improvement?

Everyone knows he was a dictator but he brought Iraq forward, women included.

Hmmmm…Cooney I’m Catholic of the Roman variety…chuckle…Do you really want to dredge that up?
I do get a little sick of it frankly…As it is specious when taken out of context.
Until Females organize and arm themselves into equivalents…It will continue whether under the banner of a religion or Atheism.
Socialism is no greater friend to Women than the religious…By the way…Jesus that pesky radical was against the wily nily divorce practices of Judaism of the day which forced Women into prostitution as a result…They could be divorced for the most trivial of reasons…shunned…left with no recourse to survive…sheeesh!

Amen, sister.

I’m glad you understand. I used to go by the monkier AmazonMom, but the hate and venom spewed at me for being anti Bush and now anti Obama was amazing. Being called a bitch was actually one of the nicer things I was called. And seeing how only smart, threatening and persisitant females are labeled “bitches” (ie Hillary, Palin, Mary Magdalene, Cleopatra, Queen Elisabeth, Uppity) I think I’m in grand company. PS do a google image search on the Strawberry Bitch and tell me she’s not one sexy piece of machinery. I’m going to fly her one day, mark my words. EMBRACE YOUR INNER BITCH!!!

That Indian lady is me! Thank you for your endorsement. I am also in the education business. {to share a story, my dad had a younger sister who was very beautiful and got married off to a very rich guy and unfortunately he turned into an alcoholic and the fortune disappeared in no time. My dad helped her and her children but there was not much he could do. Looking at his sister’s life, the only thing on my dad’s mind was to give me and my sister the very best education and encourage us to have a career and he also had other four sons to tend to but he made no distinction. Fortunately for him I turned out to be good in school and he was very proud of me. I am in my mid-40s, not that old but our generation was the first most serious women to go after a meaningful career, especially in Engineering. Of course, now all my nieces are in IT and they would not give up their job and independence for anything.}

WA. Wiki up bonobo or pygmy chimps…there are examples of that in nature. Sounds like fun to me.

Hmmmm….In Whale Pods Females run the show as well…I guess reading The White Goddess by Robert Graves in college has foever ruined me…alas…chuckle…

I always think of the original denotation of the word “bitch.” I look at my mutt bitch Amie. I think about the world of dogs where the alpha bitch is a leader. I am proud of being called a bitch.

I am so torn by Hillary’s decision to help Obama. I always thought that the “right” of women to have a president trumped the “right” of AAs to have a president (though he really is only half AA). That is because the denigration of women, if we believe, for instance, Robert Graves has been around since Greek and Roman mythology came about, as cultures moved from maternal to paternal societies.

I am hoping and clinging to the belief that she must have realized the futility of fighting the DNC and that she chose to find a way, again, to be a strong role model for girls. She often mentioned how older women would tell her how much they wanted to see a female president.

I am hoping she outshines her “boss” in every way simply because I want to support her as a woman.

I was originally opposed to the war in Iraq but now I think the world (and Iraq) is probably better off. And the women too. If Western Democracy gets a foothold in Iraq then maybe it can spread to other countries in the Middle East.

The best way to stop terrorism is to have the men over there fat and happy and too busy playing with electronic toys and video games to want to bother blowing themselves up. Capitalism can do that – a repressive religious regime cannot.

The Crusades continue…We will either have a Pax Americana…Or a Pax Islamica…Take your pick.
China will do business with the winner…

Thank you, Uppity, for a heart wrenching post (I think–no one really wants to learn these things).

From the responses, most of the NQ readers already know about these crimes against women. I just wish the smart alecky young American women who think the feminist movement is past news would be forced–ala the scenes in Clockwork Orange with eyes forced open–to watch all these videos. Maybe their first concern would no longer be shoe shopping.

Women had a right to have a President, too. It just galls me the way Hillary and Sarah were treated during the election cycle. Hillary’s speech in Beijing should have united women everywhere to support her candidacy.

And thank you for spotlighting Al Jazeera. My first inroduction to Al Jazeera was the movie The Control Room that came out right at the beginning of the Iraq War. It was another great documentary that very few people cared to watch. It might have made them doubt our actions at the time.

I’d like to see NOW take this cause on and call out foreign governments, religions, etc. on their misogynistic attitudes toward women. At the risk of being politically, not to mention anatomically, incorrect: “NOW – Grow Some!”

The world would destroy them and they would be, of course, terrorists

But what a way to go…no?

NOW is a laughingstock after this Primary and Election. They ought to rebrand themselves: NOT NOW
Stephen Colbert’s interview w/whatsherface, NOW’s Pres. is worth watching. I think he’s the only one who wondered why NOW was endorsing a man.

And it wasn’t so long ago – two months or so – that the Democratic Party painted as victim a state trooper with a record of domestic violence, and a current restraining order. Yes, I am talking abt Sara Palin’s former brother-in-law…

I did a great deal of work in the domestic violence arena, too, including keeping a count of all women killed by their batterers in this country. It is more than you think. No doubt, it is a great thing that there are shelters available, and new laws to protect women. But when young women, and men, are wearing t-shirts calling a prominent female politician the C-word in broad daylight, and when bullying women is an accepted form of political discourse (caucuses), it does make me wonder how much ATTITUDES have really changed…

I thought things were much better for women, not perfect or without room for improvement, but better, in the US – until the past two years. I cannot believe the treatment of women that was blithely accepted in this country. If that level of misogyny is accepted here, perpetrated by our political parties and media, can it really be all that surprising that women are treated so horribly in other countries?

Thanks, Uppity and NQ, for your willingness to expose the real danger it remains to be a woman in this world…

Many religions condone slavery, too, but civilized society stood up and defied such religious norms saying “NO– we will uphold to a higher standard.” And we can do it now with regards to women’s rights — say “NO” to abuse, murder, rape, and mutilation. “We will abide by a standard of civilization higher than that of religion.”

While some might say that women may have had it better in Iraq under Saddam, at least until they had an encounter with one of his sons, I respectfully disagree. I contend that women were not better off, they were just as controlled, and lived in fear for themselves and their families. Being allowed to wear jeans and make-up doesn’t mean that you are free or that you have an equal place at the table, anymore than having a credit card makes you rich.

i believe that this is the best action to take. women should completely boycott all persons, businesses, religions, countries, etc. that abuse women. when i hear about the women such as mentioned in this story, i wonder how many of them fought back. how many killed their attackers? how many threw acid back on their attackers? i’m not “blaming the victim” for the attack, but unfortunately, all too often these crimes are committed and there are no consequences for the perpetrator. they know that they can get away with it, and that is why the misogyny continues, just like it does every where else. there must be consequences.

you’re right that women in these places need to stand up for themselves and fight back, even at a great cost to themselves. but the rest of are certainly entitled to call out horrific misogyny when we see it, regardless of whether america is perfect. women here are a whole lot better off than they are in a lot of places.

hmm, maybe we should raise this issue with SoS Clinton.

i’m afraid that you’re right. women must fight back. there must be consequences for the type of attacks shown in this article, not to mention all the other acts of misogyny out there.

Yeah, got me there. Just still not good.

Ah, shucks, I liked the give and take.
Hope I’m not trollish.
What is that anyway?

NWRain,
I am very disappointed in Hillary. I was disappointed in the way she campaigned for The One. If we don’t stand up for each other and against misogyny we open the door to more vile behavior. Supporting the Fraud, IMHO, meant condoning his anti-woman behavior. What a horrible election – it certainly set women’s rights back years, and I’m too old to want to start all over again. Still, doing nothing is not an option either. The more I see religion teaching that women are inferior (there are still no Roman Catholic priests and I doubt the Mormons think women are equal yet, and then there are the orthodox jews and the fundamentalist Christians and Muslims) I’ve become an agnostic bordering on the atheist. I mean really, if there is a God, I doubt the It would want to see inequity practiced anywhere, but especially in places of worship.

You’re right Mimi. We need to educate young women about this attitude and boycott those movies and shows and magazines that feature and perpetuate this kind anti-woman portrayal. I’m watching this Netflix series from Australia called McLeod’s Daughters and it is full of strong women, who help each other. They get angry with each other also, and there are some real great guys in it as well, but ultimately these women are there for each other.

Hi Northwest Rain,

I was wondering if you had a good one-line response to someone who says she didn’t vote for McCain because Palin ‘stands against everything women fought for’. I totally blew it when I heard this–had to choose between silence and screaming my head off for an hour–the shock was too much and what with my polite upbringing and all….

I’ve also heard a woman say she would never vote for Hillary because women should just never be prez. I mean, really, I wondered if I was in an alternate reality at that moment.

I have made friendship decisions these past few months based on this kind of behavior. It’s been sadly illuminating.

(I have thought about ‘scratching’ my face thoughtfully, if you know what I mean.)

yo, Saddam and his sons had RAPE ROOMS. They would pull women off the street and rape them. Women who resisted were beaten or killed.

Nat’l Geo has a good one-hour doc on Saddam’s terrorizing his people…just saw it a few days ago.

No matter how you slice it, women had it TERRIBLE under Saddam. And under the Ayatollah. It was/is all nightmarishly bad.