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Republican Hypocrisy with Hagel

So, let me see. Chuck Hagel had the audacity to suggest that Jewish lobbyists intimidate members of Congress and what happens? Hagel is pursued by the Republican rabble like Nazis chasing down the Jewish Combat Organization in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising in April 1943. Jesus Christ! This is beyond absurd. Of the course the Jewish and the Israeli lobbies are strong in Washington, DC. If admitting that fact makes one an anti-Semite or Jew hater, than I am guilty.

Only one little problem. I do not hate Jews nor Israel. Pilloring Hagel for the temerity of speaking truth is what makes the Republican display today so pathetic. Did any other country important to U.S. security get the mention and attention that Israel did today? Nope. Is there any other country that gets more U.S. foreign aid and contributions from private citizens than Israel that was mentioned more frequently? Nope.

So cut the faux outrage. Admit it. US politicians–both Republicans and Democrats–must tread cautiously when it comes to Israel or their very qualification to serve in a high office will be called into question.

Then there is the nonsense about Iraq. Hey McCain, Go Fuck Yourself. Just because you get shotdown does not make you a hero.

McCain climbed all over Hagel for his proper claim that the surge would be a disaster. In the McCain fantasy universe the surge worked perfectly. Really? Tell me how we’re doing in Iraq? Suicide bombings disappeared? Nope. Just last week there was this:

A suicide bomber killed at least 35 people and wounded scores more Wednesday at a funeral near a Shiite mosque in northern Iraq, police said.
The attack occurred in the ethnically mixed town of Tuz Khurmatu, roughly 56 miles (90 kilometers) south of Kirkuk, and also wounded at least two senior Iraqi government officials.

And January 2012?

Attackers killed at least 60 people in Iraq on Thursday in strikes that targeted Shiites and renewed fears of sectarian violence, authorities said.

The deadliest attack was a suicide bombing targeting Shiite pilgrims just west of the southern city of Nasiriya. It killed at least 36 and wounded 72 others, police and Interior Ministry officials said. A series of blasts in Baghdad left 24 dead and dozens wounded, an Interior Ministry official said.

So spare me the self-righteous, ridiculous bullshit of McCain and Lindsey Graham. The surge accomplished nothing other than an opening to cover the ass of George W. Bush and Barack Obama and allow us to pull out of Iraq without having to be totally humiliated by admitting that we left a broken country. The sectarian violence continues and Iraq is effectively split into three ethinc sub-regions. And McCain and these other pricks are proud that we wasted the blood of American soldiers for a worthless outcome? Fuck them.

I am livid about this. How can Republicans hope to repair the dishonesty of the Obama Administration when they cannot even admit to the reality of what really happened in Iraq. In this regard, Republicans and Democrats are the same. Despicable, dishonest politicians who would deny that the Sun rises in the East if they were staked out on Miami Beach. Hell, they would claim there is no such thing as a Sun. In fact, anyone who would insist the Sun exists must be a hater of Jews and Israel. Dishonest all.

  • Popsmoke

    This is why I am the way I am here at NQ. It pisses me off that people will drag others to the ground calling it an “opinion” while not having a freaking clue and use asshole agenda driven websites as research tools. Then they have some nerve to puff out their chests when I use the same tactic against them.
    So you want to piss on Hagel and Zero Tolerance? By the way Senator shit-for-brains Sessions…that includes you too..
    Read the following…..and look who else was on Zero Tolerance…
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/william-hartung/zero-tolerance-for-nuclea_b_2598785.html

    So General Cartwright is clueless? Pickering? Jack Sheehan?

    Once again Dickweed Lindsy Graham…. I want you to inquire how the Irsaelis obtained HEU for produce their bombs? You coward pieces of shit…

  • Popsmoke
    • HELENK2

      they agree with you

  • buzzlatte3

    I know Hagel didn’t give the best dog and pony show but I wonder if some of the vitriol isn’t really all about Obama – as a get back to the utter dishonesty of the whole WH and admin.

  • getfitnow

    This is o/t and I’m sorry, but Romney is so much finer a man than That One that words fail me.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/romney-campaign-gave-90k-to-red-cross-after-sandy-87054.html

  • HELENK2

    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/02/01/unspinnable-white-house-disappointed-in-hagels-performance-at-hearing/

    White House disappointed in Hagels performance at hearing.

    will they throw him under the bus or not

  • HELENK2

    off topic

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/bin-ladens-son-in-law-arrested-in-turkey-daily.aspx?pageID=238&nID=40303&NewsCatID=341

    well Kerry has an interesting 1st day on the job.
    US Embassy in Turkey attacked by suicide bomber

    Ben Laden’s son in law arrested in Turkey. US asked to interrogate him , did not happen, he is being sent back to Iran

  • MrLynn

    Obama pulled out of Iraq without a Status of Forces Agreement, leaving a vacuum for Al Qaeda and Iran to fill. But he “ended” the war. Now Iran flies over Iraq with supplies for Syria (and Hezbollah) and no worries.

    Chuck Hagel supported the Marxist Obama over McCain, who has a legitimate gripe. But Hagel couldn’t defend himself. His bumbling performance demonstrated what a boob he is. But, he said, “I won’t be making policy.” Probably just as well, given his intellect. Valerie Jarrett will be pulling Obambi’s strings, and Hagel’s too.

    Larry’s vulgar rant is completely off-base. Hagel will just help the Obamunists rip America’s military to shreds, retreat from the world, and let Iran have its bombs, under the rubric of ‘containment’. What a wonderful prospect.

    /Mr Lynn

    • Popsmoke

      Mr Lynn… your another example of what is wrong with this country… Your make Forest Gump look like a MIT Grad..

      • MrLynn

        Nice spelling, Pop. Another Obambi supporter? You make Hagel look like a genius. /Mr L

        • Popsmoke

          Rather have the spelling mistakes than the unrealistic views you subscribe to…

  • getfitnow
  • getfitnow

    Anyone, I don’t care who he/she is, who appears at a confirmation hearing as ill-prepared as Hagel should NEVER be confirmed. But, I think he will be ’cause that’s how the US Senate rolls.

    • Popsmoke

      Another one who does not understand the process….

      • getfitnow

        Oh, I understand. I understand as it is and as it should be.

        • Popsmoke

          You understand? When was the last time you even sat in on a confirmation? Forget being part of the process itself?

  • KenoshaMarge

    Of course the Republicans are hypocrites, they’re politicians after all n’est-ce pas?

    I did and do have some concerns about Hagel. And one of them is his quick step, double back flip-flop to make himself more confirmable. That too is hypocrisy IMO. Kind of scummy too IMO.

    One of my concerns about Hagel is that with the GOP not happy with him he will be more of an Obama man than ever. And I don’t like Obama yes men/women any more than any other kind of cringing clingers.

    I don’t like people who scream anti-semite at the drop of a hat anymore than I like those who scream racist everytime one dares disagree with an AA or Hispanic. Still I think there are some legitimate concerns about Hagel and the ME.

    JMO but one I don’t see any reason to change.

    • Popsmoke

      For cying out loud…. Here is my bet. I would bet your ME views would change if you were actually a quarterback with a real time playbook rather than a armchair quarterback reading the internet…

      • KenoshaMarge

        Since I am too old to be anything but an armchair quarterback all I can do is form opinions based on what I see and read, on the Internet and elsewhere. That’s what I’ve done. If you don’t like the opinion I’ve formed, you can shove it up your condescending ass!

        • Popsmoke

          Read what? Right wing stupidity? That is the problem. Reading what? People judge others based just on the internet with no common frame of reference what so ever.
          So Marge your basing an opinion on other peoples opinions not your own. Your writings, postings and links indicate much of that.. Reason for my condescending attitude.

          • KenoshaMarge

            Your condescending attitude is based on your opinion of where I get my information and how I form my opinions.

            I all ready knew there was little use trying to “talk” to someone as arrogant as you. Anyone who doesn’t agree with you is stupid and unworthy of anything but your condescension.

            I wanted to see, by trying to discuss something with you if you were really as big as asshole as I thought you were.

            My opinion based on my interactions with you as well as reading your interactions with others is that you are an asshole and that I was right.

            Evidently no one else is smart enough, informed enough to warrant having an opinion different than yours. I’ve wasted far too much time with you. I won’t make that mistake again.

            • Popsmoke

              Right Marge… Your interaction with me? Thats funny. I am not always right. But I have learned over the years that if you don’t know the answer go find the best sources for that answer. I detest internet gossip and agenda driven resources for usage for any conversation. It has nothing to do with being any better than anyone else. But it has everything to do with a common frame of reference and being well informedIts about informed opinions not just any ole opinion. I am not going to try and win you or anyone over to any of my points. I see that normally as a lost cause by the tone of a persons writings. I do not run around the blogosphere posting. This site and maybe one or two others and not on a routine bases. Just to much bullshit running around the internet.
              Now like some here I have some very solid sources who are extremely well informed and on both sides of the isle.

              • JohnnyTwoDog

                “the answer go find the best sources for that answer.”
                How about trying the words out of Hagels own mouth for one.

                • Popsmoke

                  Look whos talking….. Mouth…. Your all mouth. No logic, no common frame of reference. Just idiotic nonsense….
                  I hope that what you dish out in bullshit comes flying right back at you!

            • Popsmoke

              Now here is what I do not like about you. You attack someone like Hagel without knowing ground truth. Or even the process. Rather than ask those here who are much better informed than you. You just opin …. and use internet sites that are so agenda driven that it makes me sad because there are resources out there and here at NQ that are much better to use to make a well informed opinion. But you and many others will just attack people and processees you are very well clueless about. Then when its done to you. You go all hyper…..

              • KenoshaMarge

                I’m not hyper. Thinking that you are a condescending jerk is just my opinion formed from experience and observation. Formed by seeing how you attack and demean anyone who has the audacity to disagree with you.

                Your type of bullying can be seen at the end of the bar in many taverns across this country. Pontificating and convinced of your own intellectual superiority you, and they, attempt to annihilate anyone who dares disagree with their pontificating. And always the pontificating has sources that we peasants to not.

                • elizabethrc

                  Isn’t it a little sad to see someone ‘devolve’ before one’s eyes?

        • elizabethrc

          KenoshaMarge, he has bludgeoned everyone who doesn’t agree with him on Hagel. He misses no opportunity to tout HIS military and/or government (gosh, he’s actually met with Hagel) experience as making his opinions more valid than anyone else’s. Myopic, to say the least.
          Isn’t it so nice when our opinions are considered just so much slop?!!!
          Why do we even get up in the morning???

          • KenoshaMarge

            I know. It makes one wonder why he bothers with us. After all, we are nothing.

            Typical loud-mouth bully. Seen the type all my life. Most women have. Don’t know why we worry our silly little heads when it’s obvious we aren’t smart enough to form an opinion. Oh wait, I don’t form my own opinions, I just copy someone else’s.

            Actually, and I confess reluctantly, I do form my own opinions and then search for corroboration. I think we all do that to a certain extent.

    • Popsmoke

      PS: The idea here is to get affirmed… Then go to battle stations…

  • HELENK2

    off topic

    ing tweeted:

    Russian rocket – carrying US communications satellite – plunges into Pacific Ocean shortly after launch – via @BBCDanielS

    how will that affect our defenses???

    • Popsmoke

      Not much… even our space junk has redundant space junk….

  • DianaLC

    I’ve come to understand that there is so much dysfunction in D.C. that we all are doomed. I am sure a middle school student council could do as well as Congress and the federal government. This is like the jets vs. the sharks in West Side Story almost. Only in D.C. you don’t really have to be in any ethnic group to join one side or the other. You just have to be crazy enough to think that one side needs to totally annihilate the other to proove it’s “right,” despite the fact that it may be wrong. In the meantime, the rest of us just want government to work and don’t really care about political parties.

    We have a federal government that must get its spending under control and the real job Hagel would have needed to address is how to properly cut the spending in the Defense Department. We don’t need right now to rehash misguided military adventures. The questions should all be about where and how budget cutting would be done.

    I feel like going back to the fetal position I got into when the first bomb was dropped on Baghdad while Americans were cheering and thoughtlessly sending young people overseas to be maimed and mentally messed up. I was right to be there frightened about what we were getting in to in the first place, I guess, and my feelings that another Vietnam-like endeavor was going to happen all over again–another misguided political endeavor that cost our country and many thousands of young people dearly. We’re left with the damage done to our country over Vietnam, and now it’s been damaged more by Iraq.

    Nothing that starts for the wrong reason can end for the right one. The Republicans must admit that Bush’s war in Iraq was misguided and did cost our country much financially and morally and the surge did nothing to make the decision to go there right.

    The Dems must admit that O and the Dems have made and are making some pretty bad decisions, too, simply because O, NP, and HR and many of the Dems are letting ideology lead the way they make decisions rather than the practical considerations of how to get things working efficiently. There is no one who goes to D.C. now and forgets the political party bickering of the campaigns and decides to do the work of the people. In fact, all that happens in D.C. now is political campaigning to set things up for the next campaign, and we are left with bureaucratic pea brains who have all been chosen for their work based on who they know and some affirmative action rule.

    It is my feeling that O chose Hagel so he could laugh to himself as the Republicans tear to shreds a Republican. Perhaps it’s his payback for the Rice nomination. The Republicans better think about who O is going to nominate in the place of Hagel when they get what they want and Hagel is not confirmed. Stupid game playing.

    We have no leaders anymore, just an entire city of fattened bloodsuckers who require more blood from the country to continue to grow disgustingly fatter and fatter. What will they all do when there is no more blood to suck out of this country?

  • HELENK2

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/31/hagel-i-told-obama-i-wasnt-qualified-to-be-defense-secretary/

    per Hagel ” I told obama I wasn’t qualified to be defense secretary”

  • HELENK2
    • Popsmoke

      HEY Helen.. Grow Up! The man is more than qualified. Just because he does not have your warped sense of world affairs does not mean he is unqualified.

      • HELENK2

        he himself told backtrack he was not qualified

        • Popsmoke

          The man is HUMBLE…. This guy is the Omar Bradley of the Senate….

          Helen I have met Hagel back in 1999 and again in 2001 when I worked the Hill. He is a great guy and the right pick for the job. None of the SecDefs had any qualifications for that position besides politics…

          • HELENK2

            then why was he so bad at the hearing today. Until then I had no opinion about him other than if backtrack nominated him worry.
            yes there were hard questions asked, that is part of the job. As Diana mentioned he job now will be what and where to make the cuts in the defense dept due the DC out of control spending.

            BTW
            do not pull the grumpy thing with me, I worked with old time railroaders that make you look like a piker in the grumpy dept

            • Popsmoke

              Helen,
              Before you draw a six shooter make sure your aiming it at the right targets. These nominations hearings are nothing more than political theater. Secondly, its not the questions it how the questions are asked. This was no senatorial hearing this was a hearing of rabid dogs. Hagel held his own and was trying not to lower himself or trip up. Inside he must have been burning.

          • Retired_from_SPOnaj

            The “Omar Bradley of the Senate.” Very nice turn of phrase, Pop. And it also has the added benefit of being accurate.

    • JohnnyTwoDog

      Hagel has skeletons Obama is holding over his head and that is all the one requires in a resume. They are a little peeved that he isn’t playing the perfect little soldier under Senate scrutiny.

  • Theymustbemorons

    Was that really Chuck Hagel in the confirmation hearings today? Did he suffer a stroke recently? Could not believe what I was seeing/hearing. Embarrassing. I have the highest respect for his military service during Vietnam and, from what I’ve read, his efforts to help vets. Nevertheless, something was very, very wrong about his performance during today’s hearings. He was in the Senate over 10 years. It’s his former clubhouse. If he can’t handle that situation with those idiots, what can he handle?

    • DianaLC

      Maybe you have to be an idiot to handle idiocy.

  • HELENK2

    http://freebeacon.com/retired-generals-and-admirals-oppose-hagel/

    14 General and Admirals oppose Hagel.

    there must be a reason for that.

    Popsmoke

    I understand what you mean about hagel being a grunt, I was taught that the sargent is usually the one to listen to as he usually knows more than the officers.
    But there is something wrong here. If you saw the hearings today could you really picture Hagel as head the DOD

    • Popsmoke

      Helen… My tenderfoot friend…so many questions…

      Look who signed this letter… Its the whos who of NeoCons. Helen wake up dear….

      Yes dear I watched the hearings and I think Hagel was caught off guard by the rabid assholes that called themselves Senators….

      • elizabethrc

        You frequently have valid points to make, but really, why must you be so quick to using demeaning words as in your use of “dear” toward Helen? It’s obviously meant as a putdown. It’s unnecessary.

        • Popsmoke

          Well when you draw a six shooter as even you do sometimes…..dear…expect return fire…

          • elizabethrc

            Yes, quite correct, but you do it excessively and seem to delight in demeaning posters. Quite sad, really. —– Original Message —–
            From: Disqus
            To: riellyrltr@earthlink.net
            Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:12 AM
            Subject: [noquarter] Re: Republican Hypocrisy with Hagel

            Popsmoke wrote, in response to elizabethrc:

            Well when you draw a six shooter as even you do sometimes…..dear…expect return fire…
            Link to comment

            • Popsmoke

              Well then if you don’t like it, don’t do it….

              • elizabethrc

                I don’t employ sexist terminologies, as you do, nor will I.
                I will reserve the right to criticize people’s opinions at will. That’s what people do on this blog.

                • Popsmoke

                  Sexist I am not….and I don’t mean…dear…in that sense. I guess saying ole boy is also a nono eh?
                  Yes this blog is about opinions….but those opinions should be “informed” opinions not just your every day idiotic stupidity or worse. Mouthing someone elses opinion as yours…

                  • elizabethrc

                    In just what ‘sense’ do you mean “dear” if not as a patronizing putdown? When have I used the term “ole boy”?
                    It is not your place to decide the quality of opinions expressed here, though obviously, you’d like to play the censor. It seems to have escaped you that people learn from other people and if an opinion has validlty in that person’s eyes, they have every right to ‘mouth’ someone else’s opinion. Most people learn from others and might even gain insights that otherwise would have been missed.
                    Your putdowns continue. You seem to delight in being this blog’s resident curmudgeon. Have at it. Most of the rest of us understand that you have a need to insult and badger others.

        • KenoshaMarge

          Condescension is so unbecoming, dontcha think?

          • Popsmoke

            Like I said… don’t like it? Don’t do it….

          • elizabethrc

            I think that significance totally escapes him.

  • JJ_the_PUMA

    Getting shot down does’t make one a hero. Refusing to be released before your fellow prisoners does make you a hero.

    • Popsmoke

      Bullshit…. We all have to give McCain his due… But remember if Johnny’s father and grandfather were not admirals Johnny would have just been another POW. Now that does not mean that McCain can get a free ride either just because of his family ties.
      To top that Hagel was a grunt..a trigger puller. Part of the tip of the spear. Wounded twice… In any Vets book that equals McCain if not to trump him. Besides there were no GOs in Hagels house….

    • elizabethrc

      Well said, and I’m no great fan of McCain.
      To recognize McCain as a hero is not to diminish Hagel, whom I also do not like!

  • Popsmoke

    By the way, about our Nukes…. Besides insulting Nunn by attacking Hagel these asshole should read Admiral Jerry Millers book ….Stockpile…. This is why the republican party is so fucked up…

  • HARP2

    We must remember how confusing it is to remember what you used to believe and what you believe now?

    • Popsmoke

      Nope. You have to understand how the game is played. Hagel was smart and which is why McCain threw a hissy fit…

      Note Hagel did not retract any policy statements.

      • HARP2

        Hagel: I’d like to go back “and change the words and the meaning” of his claims Israel treating Palestinians like animals

        Terrific game……for a 10 year old.

        • Popsmoke

          Actually its not to far from the truth. Of course WE all wish we could chnage some of the things we say or have said. Statements like this show a refreshing human side… Or are you just that perfect?

          • HARP2

            Not good enouigh.

            • Popsmoke

              Not good enough eh? Well then I suppose your one of those McCain and Graham groupies. Oh yes Israel firster all the way eh?

              • HARP2

                Pop still hangs with groupies.
                Ain`t that cute ?

                Poor defense of one of your own.

                • Popsmoke

                  Groupie me? That is a hoot! Poor defense of who? Hagel? Ok, so you think the behavior of McCain, Graham and Cruz was befitting United States Senators?

                  • HARP2

                    I have vivid memories of dems during Bork and Thomas confirmations.

                    • Popsmoke

                      And both of those were outragous….

    • binky354

      I know so little about this topic and I always respect Larry’s opinions on these types of issues. I was one of those citizens who worked, raised a family, and became caregiver for a grandchild, a nephew, a mother with alzheimer’s and a disabled sister. I tried to keep informed by watching nightly news and CNN – that was pre-2007, before I heard the first lie come out of Zero’s mouth and the failure of MSM to report it. So, while I’m not very schooled in politics, I do try to keep a little better informed than I was previously.

      As to Hagel, he doesn’t have a very good record where Israel is concerned and he seems to be a very good fit for Zero’s ideology. It was interesting to me to read what Gina, an American Jew, had to say about Hagel.

      http://katzporch.com/2013/02/01/ruminations-from-amy-40/

  • HARP2

    The good news is Biden will finally have a playmate

    • foxyladi14

      lololol

  • JohnnyTwoDog

    Dishonest All – yep very valid points. Which is why Hagel is such a good fit. Saying one thing to one audience and something totally different to another. A perfect match for DC is Hagel, and even more perfect for Obama.

    • KenoshaMarge

      His poor performance didn’t help much either. I still think he will be confirmed. And that’s really sad.

      Hagel’s Credibility Left in Shreds

      It’s not clear if administration sources that leaked the story that Chuck Hagel had three practice sessions before a mock committee before his actual Senate confirmation hearing were trying to help or hurt the former senator. Hagel’s performance was so shaky that even some of his liberal supporters like Peter Beinart were lamenting on Twitter about his stumbling and bumbling answers to tough questions.

      That he flopped so badly after being rehearsed speaks volumes about how bad he was. Indeed, he had so many misstatements that it will be hard for news organizations to choose which of them to broadcast in their highlights of the hearings. But as much as his inability to speak coherently and present a plausible defense of his record while under pressure was exposed today, in what was probably the worst showing by a presidential nominee in a confirmation hearing in memory, it was his credibility that took the biggest hit.

      link: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2013/01/31/chuck-hagel-credibility-left-in-shreds-hearing/

      • KenoshaMarge

        You know he had to be very bad if even CNN is reporting about it. The point being made about him having sat on the other side of the table and should have known how things would go is a valid one IMO.

        CNN’s Dana Bash: Senators In Disbelief Over Hagel’s Poor Performance

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFgurW4jsAc

        • Popsmoke

          Right…Hagels poor performance… Lets not talk about the extremely poor and very unprofessional and uncalled for performance of United States Senators….

          • KenoshaMarge

            He’s up for confirmation, not them. And if he isn’t capable of taking the heat, he doesn’t belong in the kitchen.

            He has been on the other side of the table in confirmation hearings and thus knew full well what was coming. He was unprepared. That doesn’t speak well, to me at least, of his ability to think on his feet. That would be important in the position he will soon, I have no doubt, be confirmed.

            I respect his service to his country. That doesn’t mean I respect the man he is in the here and now. I don’t. Not all that fond of McCain either although I would never denigrate his service as you do.

            • Popsmoke

              How much do you really know about Hagel? Or are you one of those who just looks at sound bites? Yes Hagel was tough as a Senator. BUT and I repeat BUT he was always professional and never degraded… GET THE POINT?

              • HELENK2

                then why don’t you take a leaf from his book and stop trying to put down the posters here. We listen to your points of view and do not put you down for them. Why not give us the same courtesy?
                We get it you like Hagel, no problem with that. His performance was not good at the hearing and that does present a problem

                • Popsmoke

                  I will stop when you stop putting people down you are clueless too. You think Hagel wanted to do the rope a dope? Then you are clueless to the man and the process…

      • Popsmoke

        Once affirmed and he will be affirmed… Payback will be a bitch…..

    • elizabethrc

      Hagel doesn’t impress me as a person who would kowtow to Obama’s many military mistakes. That’s going to be an interesting blowup, if and when it occurs.

  • Popsmoke

    I was also furious with the brow beating Hagel took today. Especially by McCain and that asshole Graham… Two stup!id assholes…. To bad no one is the press has any balls to call these two out….

  • HARP2

    “If Confirmed, I intend to learn about the Defense Department.”

    Didn`t we just elect a president with the same experience ?

    • getfitnow

      A perfect nominee from a president who had no executive experience at any level.

      ‘You have to confirm me so I can see whats in it!’ /s

      • Popsmoke

        Oh so you are so experiened in these matters that you know better eh? Another internet knothead….

        • getfitnow

          More executive experience than That One? Yep, way more, btw.

          Name-calling is so unattractive, But I find it interesting that many of those, apparently like you, that support this POTUS, use it swiftly and often as part of their first line of defense.

    • foxyladi14

      Yep…And we can see what a big mistake that was!!!!