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Rand Paul Draws Blood and Scares the Shit Out of the Neocons

The warmongering chicken hawks that led us into an unnecessary war in Iraq are nervous as a long tailed cat in a room of rocking chairs filled with five year old boys. Their tails are getting squashed and Rand Paul is doing the damage.

My proof? Consider the following.

The Washington Post editorial board, which was a neocon bastion screeched the following:

AFTER SEN. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) held the Senate hostage Wednesday in order to warn that American citizens could be targeted by drone strikes on U.S. soil, he was rightly taken to task for gross and irresponsible mischaracterizations of the Obama administration’s policy. We’ve got another complaint: Mr. Paul and his followers are distracting attention from the real issues raised by the administration’s secret warfare.

Want more proof?

Here is neocon John Podhoretz trying his best to adopt the tone of a disappointed friend in waving the red flag about the dangers of Rand Paul:

And yet, while Paul’s brilliant advocacy and command of the public stage were remarkable, in the end it is his opinions that matter. And they are highly problematic at best and genuinely worrisome at worst.

He began on a very narrow point — whether a president could order military drone strikes on unarmed US citizens who are not enemy combatants on American soil. The answer is obviously no — though for some reason Attorney General Eric Holder found it difficult to say those words in a hearing on Wednesday. (He finally said them categorically in a one-sentence letter yesterday.)

But as Paul continued to speak, he broadened his message. It wasn’t just the drone strike against al Qaeda leader Anwar al Awlaki, killed in Yemen even though he was born in the United States — or the drone strike a few weeks later that killed Awlaki’s 16 year-old son.

In point of fact, Awlaki’s membership in an enemy organization as an unconventional soldier stripped him of any and all due-process rights as it did, say, confederate soldiers fighting against the union in the Civil War. And we don’t know the circumstances under which his son perished.

But the real problem, as Paul made clear, isn’t the use of drones against US citizens on American soil; it is American foreign policy itself, under both this president and his predecessor.

His indictment was radical, sweeping, total, unconditional — and wildly overdrawn. Just to take one example, he said we are living in a state of perpetual and endless war, and used Iraq as an example — Iraq, from which we pulled out entirely in 2011. To listen to Paul, you’d think America was already a police state, and the planet its evil playground.

The fact that Podhoretz could claim Paul’s totally accurate statement, “we are living in a state of perpetual and endless war,” as “wildly overdrawn,” underscores the fright that Paul sparks in the soul of these crazed warmongers. They hinge their crazy statements on the hope that Americans have Alzheimer’s disease when it comes to remembering the propaganda they showered on America–e.g., Bin Laden was in league with Saddam Hussein, Iraq had weapons of mass destruction ready to be unleashed on America, etc. So we went to war, got more than 4000 good American sons and daughters killed, and for what?

We turned Iraq over to Shia that had been funded and protected by Iran. Iraq has become a de facto puppet of Iran. And what do the neocons want? War with Iran.

We hear the same silly bullshit about Iran–e.g., Al Qaeda is in league with Iran, Iran is on the verge of getting nuclear weapons and we must stop them at all costs.

Rand Paul, so far, has not been willing to subscribe to this nonsense. The fact that his filibuster last Wednesday resonated so widely and deeply throughout America has now unleashed a coordinated pushback from those politicians and pundits who are keen on a perpetual war and who are more than willing to sacrifice your loved ones to achieve their pathetic, delusional fantasy.

  • Popsmoke

    Podhoretz should be forced to spend one week on the tip of the spear. Another scewball from Chicago and he is related by marriage to Elliott Abrams.

  • HELENK2

    Rand Paul upset the status quo. long term congress critters have the best part time job in the world and sure do not want anyone to wake up the voters.

    We have fewer military doing more and more then ever before. Most Americans have forgotten that we have fighting men and women in harms way. the msm does not talk about it. no one is asked to sacrifice to help these people as we were during other wars. Backtrack tells the public al queda is dead, so why worry.

    In the meantime we are training Syrian rebels in Jordan. Arming them through Turkey.
    Look who is making money from all this and whose campaign gets the most money from them and listen to who talks of war

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    • KenoshaMarge

      And the old guard is not a bit happy!

      • foxyladi14

        the old guard should be fired.

        • KenoshaMarge

          I agree foxy. If these old fools haven’t the decency and common sense to know it’s time to move on then it’s up to the voters to do their “retiring” for them.
          As an old fool myself I believe there comes a time to hang it up and find something new to do. Paint a picture, write a book, start a foundation, help some of those people you always claimed you wanted to help up close and personal. Move on, before you are moved. More dignity in doing it voluntarily. (I know, I know, the words politician and dignity don’t belong in the same sentence.)

  • HELENK2

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/03/08/78-of-msnbc-viewers-responding-to-poll-approve-of-targeted-killing-of-american-citizens/

    78% of msnbc viewers responding to poll approve of targeted killing of American citizens.
    think of 1930s Germany anyone?
    this scares the hell out of me. what the hell happened to my country?

    • KenoshaMarge

      I’m betting that the 78% would be vehemently against a president having that power if he/she was a Republican. In fact they would be having a hissy fit at the very idea. If your integrity has a double-standard, you have no integrity. JMO.

  • Deapster

    Lest we forget. Kennedy dragged us into the unnecessary war in Viet-nam. Blood enough for everyone on all sides.

  • Deapster

    Rand Paul should get the Nobel Peace Prize. Certainly he is far more qualified than ……. prior recipients.

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  • elizabethrc

    Let those who advocate so passionately for endeavours which will keep us in endless wars be put on the front lines. Easy chairs must be removed. I suspect their conversation will turn.
    McCain, of all people, should know that the use of the war machines should be used wisely and rarely.

    • KenoshaMarge

      Ace of Spades says it better than I ever could:

      McCain, Graham Need to End the Super-Hawk Crap If They Want Any Kind of Hawkishness In American Foreign Policy At All

      link: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/338189.php

  • Dew_South

    Rand Paul could be the person damaged by this issue. His theory that innocent citizens could be killed by drones somewhat impugns the integrity of the military. Soldiers in Kentucky are not perceived as potential war criminals and they vote. If they fired on anyone who moved, without cause, they would not have been in Afghanistan for a decade. I suppose it’s possible that the FBI, CIA, or hired hands from Mexico could pull the trigger.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      You are a moron. Jesus! Is stupidity a common trait in your family or are you the exception?

      • Dew_South

        Regrettably, I’m not the exception. There are a long line of us, several of whom have defended this country. Thankfully, we are not related to the Morons of Washington. Have a safe day!

        • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

          You don’t defend the country. You defend the Constitution. Without the protection of the law, which limits the power of the federal government, you run the risk of defending authoritarians and despots.

        • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

          In case you forgot, here’s the oath that you claim you swore (I doubt you actually served in the miilitary, you poseur)

          “I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

          Doesn’t say a damn thing about defending the “country.”

          • Dew_South

            I have not served. I was referring to my cousins, nephews, uncles, and brother-in-laws from Korea forward. I yield to your expertise.

    • Popsmoke

      Guess you missed the principle of the point….

      • Dew_South

        Rand Paul acknowledged that a person or persons could be deemed an imminent threat, and the authority to make that decision remains unchanged.

        • Popsmoke

          Gosh….you ain’t getting it. It means that the USG will not use a drone on US soil against a US Citizen. Though one can still be deemed a national security threat and dealth with in accordance with US Law… Which does not include drones. By the way, it would be ILLEGAL for the CIA to take action against ANYONE on US soil. While the FBI does not use drones for offensive purposes.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Okay, I’m calm now. How do you know the citizens are “innocent?” Paul’s point is simple and correct–unless you go thru some sort of judicial process that leads to an ajudicated decision about guilt/innocence, we are left with Obama asserting that a President can unilaterally declare an American citizen as a threat and act against them.
      Are you really this goddamned ignorant that you can’t grasp this concept?

      • Dew_South

        I do indeed grasp that concept, and my initial point was that the military would not execute such an order. Ignorant? Possibly. Paul managed to pry a one sentence response from Eric Holder. It’s more ignorant to rely on that than to believe there are no existing safeguards in our system.
        Since I’m being tag-teamed : Popsmoke, my last sentence was tongue-in-cheek, but you need to be patient with Morons.

        • buzzlatte3

          But then, the military could possibly be put in the position of defying an order from the CIC.

          • Dew_South

            Are you a long-lost Moron relative?
            So if Obama orders a drone strike on the next Republican Convention, it’s a go right?
            I’m kidding—could not resist.

  • DianaLC

    I felt Rand Paul did the right thing. I am sick of people rationalizing away our Constitutional rights.

    Sad to say, though, that the copycat mentality in this country is strong. Though our state legislature doesn’t have filibusters, some of the Dems have decided to line up and speak all night to get their precious gun control laws passed, though they seem to have given up on the law against guns on campus after that confrontation from Evie Hudak (sp?) and the young girl who was raped.

    • buzzlatte3

      Yes, Rand Paul has created a stir in the cesspool of the senate. It’s about time and from traveling around the blogs – even comments to the effect overwhelming Politico – people are ready for fresh leadership AND a defending of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Guess that 80% figure on nonreaders in NY has a downside for the liberals. The people that can read and think are becoming involved.

  • HELENK2

    ttp://dailycaller.com/2013/03/08/mark-steyn-mccain-graham-mercurial-figures-not-helpful-to-the-republican-party-cause/

    mcCain – Graham not helpful to the republican party

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  • HELENK2

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/03/kelly-ayotte-stranded.php

    Kelly Ayotte stranded. she usually stands with McCain and Graham. She chose not to speak out for or against Rand Paul

    • getfitnow

      Anyone who doesn’t take a stand is part of the problem.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/03/wacko_birds_and_birthers.html

    interesting article on how the statis quo wants no boat rocking and will attack anyone who does not follow

  • HARP2

    You fell for it again McCain. I guarantee you in a couple of weeks Barry will say ….but I tried talking with Republicans.

  • no_longer_a_democrat

    I’m still waiting for the liberal trolls to speak out against Holder’s statement about being able to kill US citizens on US soil.

    or are the liberals only against this when its a republican in the WH? if its a fking dimocrat, its a-ok! In fact, EVERYTHING is a-ok!

    • Nor Alexander

      You do not even know what Holder said do you?

  • no_longer_a_democrat

    and oh yea, go Dr. Rand Paul! and Ted Cruz!

    • Nor Alexander

      What a combination and ticket. They should be your Presidential candidates for 2016. Rand for President and Cruz for VP.

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  • Nor Alexander

    Your Republican Party is falling apart on foreign policy. Although I suspect Rand Paul’s motives are more about larger national ambitions, I do appreciate that he has started a legitimate debate that up until now had only been seen in the Democratic Party or among liberals.

    “resonated so widely and deeply throughout America”

    Not really. Only had some minor resonation among those on the right within the beltway. Americans could care less.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Lola,
      You, as always, are delusional. It is obvious I have struck a nerve here. Otherwise, you would ignore this site.

  • agincajun

    Hello Larry, I haven’t been by in quiet some time. As you point out, I
    also do not agree on many issues with Mr. Paul. I don’t agree with you
    on many things either. Hell, I’m hard to get on with, ask my Wife. Now I
    have a new bone to pick with you. While reading this post I spewed some
    damned good whiskey all over my puter screen. Damned waste, but made a
    hellava difference in visibility when wiped off (the Wife also faults my
    housekeeping skills). On this issue, you and Sen. Paul knocked it over
    the lights. My glass being now refreshed, I feel a flood of forgiveness.
    Thanks for the gut busting laugh. Take care.

    MEP