Comments on: Cults, Redux http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7567/cults-redux/ Sun, 27 May 2012 12:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: mrgrieves http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7567/cults-redux/#comment-1078399 mrgrieves Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:55:34 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7567#comment-1078399 I believe we should hold the new President's feet to the fire (just as we should them all). It takes a certain arrogance to run for that office, so I'm imagining there will always be "skeletons" of some sort "in the closet". FDR, Churchill, JFK, ...even Ghandi...these people all had episodes in their life that don't stand up well to their public image. But that's not how men and women in positions of power are judged. They are judged by their actions when action was required. Now, true, one could also say George W. Bush had negatives, and he's no great leader. Perhaps Sen. Obama will fail us, but let's criticize his actions today and going forward. Past associations are hardly worth our conversation if they don't bear directly on the issues at hand. I don't think the William Ayers connection is so damning...and Rev. Wright? He's an angry man, yes, but not such a big reflection on the President-elect. I'm sure there have been many others a young Obama might've seen/heard in his life that were far worse. Remember it was only 1965 when the Civil Rights Act was passed. Before that we had segregated schools....separate facilities..."no coloreds" signs. Not long before that (1920), the citizens of Duluth lynched three innocent black men (on the false testimony of one white man) and hung them from the lamp posts...posing proudly in front of the photos. In the space of history, 88 years is not so long. These feelings have festered in black America for a long time. So angry men are going to still walk our streets, and Barack Obama has probably glazed over a bit when he hears that talk. In his current position he won't have the luxury to ignore it....but I can't find reason to damn him for ignoring it then (if he even heard those comments in person at the time..which I now doubt). As for the "Obama glorification": I agree. There will always be those that make the jump from "I like this person" to "I will do whatever this person says"....It's human nature and it's a bit embarrassing to watch. But my original post was to say this: Those people, in my opinion, are not the majority of Obama supporters. Most of the "love and hope" crowd have simply been beaten and tattered by the current administration...and they want/need someone to help them wash away the feeling of grime left by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Delay, Gingrich, et.al. What's the line? "They don't drink the sand because they're thirsty; they drink the sand because they don't know the difference." Why don't we simply let those people off the hook?...for now. Yes, they are feeling a bit awestruck by a young Senator from Illinois. But it's likely most of these good people are simply reacting to a long national nightmare....and here is a man who is "offering them water". Now, many at this site say Obama is only offering more sand. Let's see. But don't begrudge them their belief (or mine). To many, many people, Ayers, Wright, etc are not enough poison to warrant disbelief in the strength of Obama's character. I believe the Obama campaign success was our first national response to 9-11. This country is in need of a national "cleansing". Some of it is not going to be pretty. It's not simply "hero worship"....it's a desperate and hopeful search for some light at the end of the tunnel. They don't deserve the kind of drubbing I read here. Lastly, to 'Hillary or Bust': I come to this site to engage in conversation with people who disagree with me. I felt dissent was healthy, and I thought my post was relevant. I didn't come here to threaten you. Tell me, why do YOU come to this site? It would seem to me you feel "safe" in your opinions here. And I don't. So we're different people. Is that so hard to understand? I believe we should hold the new President’s feet to the fire (just as we should them all). It takes a certain arrogance to run for that office, so I’m imagining there will always be “skeletons” of some sort “in the closet”. FDR, Churchill, JFK, …even Ghandi…these people all had episodes in their life that don’t stand up well to their public image. But that’s not how men and women in positions of power are judged. They are judged by their actions when action was required.
Now, true, one could also say George W. Bush had negatives, and he’s no great leader. Perhaps Sen. Obama will fail us, but let’s criticize his actions today and going forward. Past associations are hardly worth our conversation if they don’t bear directly on the issues at hand.
I don’t think the William Ayers connection is so damning…and Rev. Wright? He’s an angry man, yes, but not such a big reflection on the President-elect. I’m sure there have been many others a young Obama might’ve seen/heard in his life that were far worse. Remember it was only 1965 when the Civil Rights Act was passed. Before that we had segregated schools….separate facilities…”no coloreds” signs. Not long before that (1920), the citizens of Duluth lynched three innocent black men (on the false testimony of one white man) and hung them from the lamp posts…posing proudly in front of the photos. In the space of history, 88 years is not so long. These feelings have festered in black America for a long time. So angry men are going to still walk our streets, and Barack Obama has probably glazed over a bit when he hears that talk. In his current position he won’t have the luxury to ignore it….but I can’t find reason to damn him for ignoring it then (if he even heard those comments in person at the time..which I now doubt).
As for the “Obama glorification”: I agree. There will always be those that make the jump from “I like this person” to “I will do whatever this person says”….It’s human nature and it’s a bit embarrassing to watch. But my original post was to say this: Those people, in my opinion, are not the majority of Obama supporters. Most of the “love and hope” crowd have simply been beaten and tattered by the current administration…and they want/need someone to help them wash away the feeling of grime left by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Delay, Gingrich, et.al. What’s the line? “They don’t drink the sand because they’re thirsty; they drink the sand because they don’t know the difference.” Why don’t we simply let those people off the hook?…for now. Yes, they are feeling a bit awestruck by a young Senator from Illinois. But it’s likely most of these good people are simply reacting to a long national nightmare….and here is a man who is “offering them water”.
Now, many at this site say Obama is only offering more sand. Let’s see. But don’t begrudge them their belief (or mine). To many, many people, Ayers, Wright, etc are not enough poison to warrant disbelief in the strength of Obama’s character. I believe the Obama campaign success was our first national response to 9-11. This country is in need of a national “cleansing”. Some of it is not going to be pretty.
It’s not simply “hero worship”….it’s a desperate and hopeful search for some light at the end of the tunnel. They don’t deserve the kind of drubbing I read here.

Lastly, to ‘Hillary or Bust’: I come to this site to engage in conversation with people who disagree with me. I felt dissent was healthy, and I thought my post was relevant. I didn’t come here to threaten you. Tell me, why do YOU come to this site? It would seem to me you feel “safe” in your opinions here. And I don’t. So we’re different people. Is that so hard to understand?

]]> By: Hillary or Bust http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7567/cults-redux/#comment-1077583 Hillary or Bust Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:15:50 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7567#comment-1077583 Where are on earth are the "racists" in this thread? I sure haven't seen them. As for "leaving you alone" because you "hope" for a better country - no-one forced you to come here and read this. That was YOUR choice and decision. If you can't honestly admit that some of your Obama voting colleagues have gone off your rocker, then you too are in denial and defensive because you have fallen for the very hopium we are decrying. Otherwise, you would have no need to defend yourself here. Where are on earth are the “racists” in this thread? I sure haven’t seen them. As for “leaving you alone” because you “hope” for a better country – no-one forced you to come here and read this. That was YOUR choice and decision.

If you can’t honestly admit that some of your Obama voting colleagues have gone off your rocker, then you too are in denial and defensive because you have fallen for the very hopium we are decrying. Otherwise, you would have no need to defend yourself here.

]]> By: Kristen http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7567/cults-redux/#comment-1077273 Kristen Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:05:26 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7567#comment-1077273 Thank you administrator- that creep was getting on my nerves! Thank you administrator- that creep was getting on my nerves!

]]> By: Andrew P http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7567/cults-redux/#comment-1077226 Andrew P Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:14:50 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7567#comment-1077226 Yep, 0 is all about leaving hatred in the dustbin of history—after it has served his own purposes. Witness Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers... Yep, 0 is all about leaving hatred in the dustbin of history—after it has served his own purposes. Witness Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers…

]]> By: Tess http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7567/cults-redux/#comment-1077225 Tess Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:14:21 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7567#comment-1077225 It's a very sincere post, but what on earth do you do about all Obama's negatives (which I won't list)? It’s a very sincere post, but what on earth do you do about all Obama’s negatives (which I won’t list)?

]]> By: Andrew P http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7567/cults-redux/#comment-1077222 Andrew P Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:11:20 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7567#comment-1077222 She can always shake her booty in the chorus—though the theatre would need to install a seismograph per OSHA regulations. She can always shake her booty in the chorus—though the theatre would need to install a seismograph per OSHA regulations.

]]> By: Andrew P http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7567/cults-redux/#comment-1077219 Andrew P Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:07:32 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7567#comment-1077219 I share in the love for this post. So many people have gone off the deep end. A couple of days ago Oprah was quoted in the MSM as saying that the inauguration of 0 will be the greatest thing that has happened in the history of the world. Deeply religious people of several stripes might beg to differ; the (near) eradication of smallpox is just one of many developments that might give strict rationalists pause. But no. I used to lament the divisiveness that so far is 0's only contribution to American society. Now I'm feeling that I don't want to be an "us" with "them." I'll never drink the kool-aid. I share in the love for this post. So many people have gone off the deep end. A couple of days ago Oprah was quoted in the MSM as saying that the inauguration of 0 will be the greatest thing that has happened in the history of the world. Deeply religious people of several stripes might beg to differ; the (near) eradication of smallpox is just one of many developments that might give strict rationalists pause. But no. I used to lament the divisiveness that so far is 0′s only contribution to American society. Now I’m feeling that I don’t want to be an “us” with “them.” I’ll never drink the kool-aid.

]]> By: Snickers http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7567/cults-redux/#comment-1077134 Snickers Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:38:08 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7567#comment-1077134 Parkslope, I agree about the religion causing more evil in the world than any other institution. And it is still happening. Parkslope, I agree about the religion causing more evil in the world than any other institution. And it is still happening.

]]> By: Snickers http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7567/cults-redux/#comment-1077133 Snickers Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:34:39 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7567#comment-1077133 WRONG - on the atheist. My sister and her husband, both agnostic but heavily leaning to atheism and my other brother-in-law also more of an atheist, my nieces and nephews, all atheists drank the koolaid. While, I, am leaning towards being an agnostic but still have many of my Christian principles and beliefs from my childhood, saw through the bull___t right away. I think whoever said it was NLP techniques probably pegged it. Some of us can be hypnotized, others can't. By the way all these people have master's degrees or higher (some are getting their undergraduate degrees), and still they drank happily of the koolaid. Me, my education is the school of life and some college, and I saw the Fraud for who he was. WRONG – on the atheist. My sister and her husband, both agnostic but heavily leaning to atheism and my other brother-in-law also more of an atheist, my nieces and nephews, all atheists drank the koolaid. While, I, am leaning towards being an agnostic but still have many of my Christian principles and beliefs from my childhood, saw through the bull___t right away. I think whoever said it was NLP techniques probably pegged it. Some of us can be hypnotized, others can’t. By the way all these people have master’s degrees or higher (some are getting their undergraduate degrees), and still they drank happily of the koolaid. Me, my education is the school of life and some college, and I saw the Fraud for who he was.

]]> By: mrgrieves http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7567/cults-redux/#comment-1077107 mrgrieves Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:29:07 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7567#comment-1077107 I read this site frequently because it fascinates me....but get real. While there are certainly people who have a "cultish" fascination with the President elect, I'd wager the majority of those people are simply relieved to find an inspirational voice in the din. You shouldn't denigrate them for that. I voted for Sen. Obama in both the primary and the election. I have a Master's degree and I own a reasonably successful business. I'm not one to "worship" anything or anybody. I like Hillary Clinton, but that flag-burning amendment really put me off....it felt like a major pander to the right. And i didn't feel the times called for yet another Clinton. Indeed, 'change' seemed necessary and Sen. Obama has what appears to be a measured and consistent political style. I felt he seemed like an adult....something the current President certainly does not. I like John McCain, but his campaign was one of the worst train wrecks I've ever witnessed. It was embarrassing to watch and reflected poorly on his judgment (on many, many occasions). So don't call me an "Obot" because I made a reasonable decision that you disagree with... This hate filled rant is also attracting racists, so don't act like it isn't. I'm not saying you are all racists, but don't act like you aren't feeding them red meat. It's insulting to think you call yourself patriots and engage in banter like the above. Leave those of us alone who only hope for a better country. We're trying to leave this kind of hatred in the dustbin of history. This post only shows how much work is left to do. I read this site frequently because it fascinates me….but get real.
While there are certainly people who have a “cultish” fascination with the President elect, I’d wager the majority of those people are simply relieved to find an inspirational voice in the din. You shouldn’t denigrate them for that.
I voted for Sen. Obama in both the primary and the election.
I have a Master’s degree and I own a reasonably successful business. I’m not one to “worship” anything or anybody.
I like Hillary Clinton, but that flag-burning amendment really put me off….it felt like a major pander to the right. And i didn’t feel the times called for yet another Clinton. Indeed, ‘change’ seemed necessary and Sen. Obama has what appears to be a measured and consistent political style. I felt he seemed like an adult….something the current President certainly does not.
I like John McCain, but his campaign was one of the worst train wrecks I’ve ever witnessed. It was embarrassing to watch and reflected poorly on his judgment (on many, many occasions).
So don’t call me an “Obot” because I made a reasonable decision that you disagree with… This hate filled rant is also attracting racists, so don’t act like it isn’t. I’m not saying you are all racists, but don’t act like you aren’t feeding them red meat.
It’s insulting to think you call yourself patriots and engage in banter like the above.
Leave those of us alone who only hope for a better country. We’re trying to leave this kind of hatred in the dustbin of history. This post only shows how much work is left to do.

]]> By: Northwest rain http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7567/cults-redux/#comment-1076893 Northwest rain Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:32:03 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7567#comment-1076893 Oh yes I remember that passage -- he was one of the most brilliant writers! <strong>DUNE </strong> Oh yes I remember that passage — he was one of the most brilliant writers!

DUNE

]]> By: Concerned Citizen http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7567/cults-redux/#comment-1076890 Concerned Citizen Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:24:08 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7567#comment-1076890 For the 101st time, HE HAS SHOWN A COPY OF HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!! Check it out. It's on his website and all over the internet. With the exception of Techdude and Texas Darlin and despite the fact this document has been out there for six months o be examined by every e-forgery expert in the world, no one, I mean <strong>NO ONE</strong> has found anything wrong with this document. Can you cite one document forgery expert (someone willing to attach their real name to their position) who has questioned the veracity of this document? <strong>If you have one shred of verifiable proof that this document is a forgery, let's see it.</strong> Didn't think so. Why would Gov Lingle (R-HI) cover up for Obama? Her Dept of Health has access to this document. How about Bush and Condi Rice? Obama has an American passport. The State Dept could easily refute this document. They could have destroyed Obama's candidacy with this information, yet chose to stay silent? Or the hundreds of bureaucrats who would have access to his BC. Are they in on the conspiracy too? But you're right, I'm the one with the low IQ. LMAO!!! For the 101st time, HE HAS SHOWN A COPY OF HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!! Check it out. It’s on his website and all over the internet.

With the exception of Techdude and Texas Darlin and despite the fact this document has been out there for six months o be examined by every e-forgery expert in the world, no one, I mean NO ONE has found anything wrong with this document. Can you cite one document forgery expert (someone willing to attach their real name to their position) who has questioned the veracity of this document? If you have one shred of verifiable proof that this document is a forgery, let’s see it. Didn’t think so.

Why would Gov Lingle (R-HI) cover up for Obama? Her Dept of Health has access to this document. How about Bush and Condi Rice? Obama has an American passport. The State Dept could easily refute this document. They could have destroyed Obama’s candidacy with this information, yet chose to stay silent?
Or the hundreds of bureaucrats who would have access to his BC. Are they in on the conspiracy too?

But you’re right, I’m the one with the low IQ. LMAO!!!

]]> By: OBAMA IS A FRAUD http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7567/cults-redux/#comment-1076870 OBAMA IS A FRAUD Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:49:15 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7567#comment-1076870 This troll comment by "Concerned Citizen" just won the award for the stupidest comment on any blog, anywhere, ever. OH - MY - GOD...."Privacy and security?" ROFLMFAO.....so, "going to the mall" is the SAME as going to the WHITE HOUSE? Man, you just showed what we already all knew. The average IQ of an Obot troll is 32. YOU give it a rest. And, for the 100th time, your boss either shows his documentation or he goes back to Kenya. This troll comment by “Concerned Citizen” just won the award for the stupidest comment on any blog, anywhere, ever. OH – MY – GOD….”Privacy and security?” ROFLMFAO…..so, “going to the mall” is the SAME as going to the WHITE HOUSE? Man, you just showed what we already all knew. The average IQ of an Obot troll is 32. YOU give it a rest. And, for the 100th time, your boss either shows his documentation or he goes back to Kenya.

]]> By: Karma http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7567/cults-redux/#comment-1076866 Karma Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:42:18 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7567#comment-1076866 You are only showing your ignorance of history. Certainly, if you lived in another part of the country, you didn't see the almost daily news broadcasts about Jim Jones in the bay area. Nevermind the fact that Rev Jim Jones was a politicians fav because he could call up hundreds of volunteers at a moments notice to protest whatever. Sound familiar? Jim Jones fund raised for his programs from poor and disaffected citizens. Sound familiar? The press fawned all over him without actually listening to his rhetoric or really digging into all these people complaining about Jim Jones. The media ridiculed anyone who spoke out against him, especially when he was in Africa. Sound familiar? And of course the charges of racism were there from the beginning. From Rev Jones himself and used as a tool to divide. Sound familiar? You are only showing your ignorance of history. Certainly, if you lived in another part of the country, you didn’t see the almost daily news broadcasts about Jim Jones in the bay area.

Nevermind the fact that Rev Jim Jones was a politicians fav because he could call up hundreds of volunteers at a moments notice to protest whatever. Sound familiar?

Jim Jones fund raised for his programs from poor and disaffected citizens. Sound familiar?

The press fawned all over him without actually listening to his rhetoric or really digging into all these people complaining about Jim Jones. The media ridiculed anyone who spoke out against him, especially when he was in Africa. Sound familiar?

And of course the charges of racism were there from the beginning. From Rev Jones himself and used as a tool to divide. Sound familiar?

]]> By: Concerned Citizen http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7567/cults-redux/#comment-1076858 Concerned Citizen Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:29:39 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7567#comment-1076858 Give it a rest, will ya! Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. Sorry, he just was. This is according to the State of Hawaii Dept of Health and by Lara Lingle (Republican governor and good friend of Sarah Palin). The reason Obama doesn't "release" his birth certificate is for privacy and security reasons. This is why these documents are NOT public information in the first place...because they are used to verify ID. It's called ID theft! Don't believe me? Go post your birth certificate at your local mall and see how long it takes for someone to ruin your credit. Don't be a sore loser! Give it a rest, will ya!

Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. Sorry, he just was.

This is according to the State of Hawaii Dept of Health and by Lara Lingle (Republican governor and good friend of Sarah Palin). The reason Obama doesn’t “release” his birth certificate is for privacy and security reasons.

This is why these documents are NOT public information in the first place…because they are used to verify ID. It’s called ID theft! Don’t believe me? Go post your birth certificate at your local mall and see how long it takes for someone to ruin your credit.

Don’t be a sore loser!

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