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Boston Marathon Was a Revenge Attack

It is now clear why Tamerlane planned and carried out the attack in Boston–he was angry over the rejection of his application for US Citizenship. While he sought solace and training in the ranks of Chechen muslim extremists, the triggering event came in the aftermath of being charged with assault of his girlfriend.

Tamerlane Tsarnaev boxed at Camp Get Right Boxing in Worcester, Massachusetts. The Worcester Telegram has the story:

Tsarnaev, of Cambridge, represented New England in the National Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions in 2009, and would have done so again in 2010 after beating Worcester heavyweight Bryan Daniels in the New England final.

But because the Golden Gloves was an Olympic qualifier that year, and Tsarnaev was not yet a U.S. citizen, he was barred from the nationals, so Daniels went in his place as runner-up.

A 6-foot-1, 201-pound heavyweight during his prime, Tsarnaev also sparred against current USBA super middleweight champion Edwin “La Bomba” Rodriguez and super heavyweight amateur Owen Minor, both of Worcester. Tsarnaev defeated Daniels twice in the Golden Gloves.

While Tsarnaev enjoyed success in the ring in 2009, his personal life was in turmoil.

Boxers at the gym described his girlfriend as a “cunt.” She enjoyed slapping and punching Tsarnaev, who was a light heavy weight boxer. During one of this exchanges he hit back (some of the guys at the gym say “pushed”) and she filed an assault charge.

That assault charge ended up haunting Tamerlane. It contributed to the rejection of his application for citizenship. Without being able to prove that he was on his way to becoming a citizen, Tsarnaev was denied his dream of boxing in the nationals. This was the seed of resentment that subsequently blossomed into the determination to bomb the Boston Marathon.

It was in the aftermath of the 2009 events that Tamerlane’s turn to Muslim extremism accelerated. We still don’t know the inspiration for the trip to Russia in January 2012 nor where he was for those six months. It is certain he was at a training facility/camp hosted by muslim extremists. It may have been in Chechnya or in Dagestan. Regardless, it was there that he learned to make explosives from scratch and to build reliable bombs.

The story of recruiting his brother, DZHOKHAR, for the bombing remains to be sorted out. Dzhokhar, unlike Tamerlane, was not a Muslim enthusiast. He was more like a lapsed Catholic. Paid lip service to the beliefs. But he loved his brother.

Dzhokhar was a normal college kid. A close friend of mine’s son was lifting weights with Dzhokhar last Sunday. Here is a picture of Dzhokhar with some of the other members of his intramural soccer team:

Dzhokhar did what he did out of love for his brother. In the coming days we will learn how Tamerlane persuaded Dzhokhar to help him punish America for denying him the American dream.

I think it is highly unlikely that Tamerlane was directed to carry out the attack by Chechen extremists. Doing such a thing, as we have seen, has united Moscow and Washington to go after the Chechen threat. Previously, the United States ignored the Russians and granted the Chechens refugee status. Now? I don’t think so.

The decision for selecting the target and how to do the attack, I believe, originated with Tamerlane and was not done at the behest of a foreign influence. Tamerlane’s anger over the rejection of his dream of becoming a boxing champion fueled his subsequent terrorist plan and action.

Stay tuned.

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  • Popsmoke

    Well if this is true then there is no need for the public exemption to miranda….

    http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=19009788

  • rosagia

    Too bad for Tamerlane and the innocent Americans he killed and maimed that the domestic assault did not occur in TEXAS where even though he is much bigger than his girlfriend, SHE would have been arrested and hauled off to jail allowing him to become naturalized and carry on as usual breaking US laws.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Huh? This is not even clever. It is a stupid comment.

  • KenoshaMarge

    I have no sympathy, nada, zip, zilch for these two murdering bastards. Too bad the second one isn’t dead too.

    My sympathy is for 8 year old Martin Richards who won’t live to grow up. For his little sister Jane, 6 years old who had her leg blown off, for their mother who lies in the hospital with shrapnel in her head. The father Bill was hit on the legs by metal fragments and ball bearings. Martin’s older brother, Henry, was not injured.
    A family who simply went to watch the Boston Marathon and were devastated because these two fuckers weren’t happy with the new life they had in a country that had allowed them to come in. One was a newly minted “citizen.”

    I understand that all terrorists are not Muslim and all Muslims are not terrorists. But these two murdering fuckers were!

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Yes, I share your outrage

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  • buzzlatte3

    FBI now looking for 12 ISLAMIC sleeper cells.

    http//www.thegatewaypundit.com

  • HARP2

    Did any of those sharp minded cops think of hooking the boat up to one of those armored trucks and hauling it away ?

    • binky354

      I wondered why they didn’t bring in search dogs…might have found him earlier.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-attack/index.html

    bomber injured in throat. may not be able to talk. guess he better learn sign language real fast

  • HELENK2

    http://www.pr-inside.com/andy-martin-calls-today-the-day-r3644021.htm

    interesting will Boston bring down backtrack’s legacy.

    stolen from Foxy Lady

  • HELENK2

    http://riehlworldview.com/?p=29387

    why didn’t the FBI follow up on the older brother when he came back from Russia?

    this is also stolen from the crawdad hole and in the interest of fairness when I see good articles here it link them there

  • http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/ LuthersRose

    Helen’s find is a MUST READ. It is riveting and rings utterly true. Among many other things, it is interesting to note that the author’s mother immediately called the FBI when she saw (and recognized) the pictures of the brothers Tsarnaev released by the FBI. Again, I wonder if either of the Uncles Tsarnaev or the Canadian Auntie took the same action… or the mother or father from Russia for that matter (we have these things called phones and computers).

    Everyone needs to read this and circulate – thanks Helen:

    I’VE MET THE BOSTON BOMBERS
    By Alyssa Lindley Kilzer

    http://alyssalindley.tumblr.com/post/48368749553/ive-met-the-boston-bombers

    • HELENK2

      I stole it from a commenter at the crawdad hole. stop over,you will like the people

  • foxyladi14

    Thank you Larry that explains the why.

  • jrterrier

    is his motivation really about the Chechen connection, or about a Muslim jihad, or just a personal grudge for the boxing/citizenship rejection? and who cares. no justification for what he did.

    • HELENK2

      both made a choice to do harm. Reason doesn’t excuse it.
      both old enough to know better

  • Fred82

    I have to admit,

    Those AQ types are some regular Dark Lords of the Sith.

    Though I wouldn’t put it past Chechen extremists to attack the United States. I think some of them have gone hook, line, and sinker on AQ’s ideology and strategy. Some of them have joined al Qaida and/or shown up in both Iraq and Afghanistan to kill Americans.

    I agree that they did not direct the attack in this case however, though thy may have offered suggestions IMHO.

  • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

    Larry, I generally appreciate the fact that you are not PC, but I really take issue with your use of the c-word as a description of how Tamerlane’s *friends* described his girlfriend. You make it out like the assault was her fault, when I seriously doubt a strong, 6’1″ 200 pound man was ever in *any* danger from a female. And I doubt she seriously “slapped him around.” She was probably teasing him, or the “slapping around” being mentioned was her simply trying to stand up to him for probably acting like an arrogance prick.

    Furthermore, Islam is an extremely oppressive religion towards women, and is vying with the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints (i.e. polygamist Mormon cults) for the rank of “Most Misogynistic Religion in the World.” You cannot separate out his treatment of women from his Islamic background…Islam condones violence towards women and condones violence, period.

    • DianaLC

      I do also cringe at that word, but then I do not fail to call out a man who is being a prick by calling him a prick.

      • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

        The two words are not equivalent. There’s an inherent general misogyny in the c-word, whereas “prick” is generally referring to a guy behaving badly.

        • DianaLC

          Come on now! I am quite sure that I have heard that used as slang for a man’s penis. Give me a break. You may be beyond partisan, but I do believe you take the “war on women” more seriously than I do.

    • twobits2

      What I find interesting about the girlfriend is that he had a wife and child.

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      I have seen 5 ft 4 in, 110 pound women dominating 6 ft 2 in, 200 pound men. Tamerlane’s motivation issue is not of the physical, but may well be psychological. As far as the vulgar epithet “cunt” is concerned, if that is what Tamerlane’s friends used to describe his girlfriend, then that his how Larry should accurately report it. The terminology of boorish misogynists should not be edited, lest we fail to put their comments in full context.

    • Deapster

      Islam does not condone violence towards women. You must be mixing this up with some tribal protective practices in areas of the world, where Islam is also practiced. And you might want to think about why some of these tribal protective practices evolved over the eons of foreign invasions, rape, pillage and disease transmission with no cure.

      Sharia provides more protections for women than most people are led to popularly think, and was most likely the seminal force in the US community property states which were inhabited by those from the Spanish-Moorish traditions.

      • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

        Nope, sorry, any religion in which the founder “married” a 6-year-old and then “consummated” said “marriage” when she turned 9 is a religion that condones violence towards women. Don’t sugarcoat the truth with this revisional history.

      • buzzlatte3

        Doesn’t condone violence against women? Please go pedal Sharia somewhere else. I guess you would excuse those men who have already killed wives and daughters here in America as tribal. Not buying it. Refer to the wife killing in New York and the daughters being killed in Texas.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      I understand but I was quoting the sources. That’s what they said. I’m not passing judgment on her one way or the other.

      I’m sorry to have ruffled your feathers. I share your discomfort.

  • HELENK2

    http://alyssalindley.tumblr.com/post/48368749553/ive-met-the-boston-bombers

    I brought this up from downstairs.

    family turned to strict version of islam in the last couple of years

    • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

      Interesting: “She told me that she and her husband had been lawyers and political activists in Russia. They had fled the country after “something that her husband did.” Sounds like the entire family is a bunch of Islamic extremists.

  • HELENK2

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/295091-home-grown-terrorist-attack-threatens-to-disrupt-obama-agenda

    considering how the immigration bill is being fast tracked though
    congress just like obamacare maybe slowing down, reading the bill and
    giving it a lot of thought would not be a bad thing to do

  • HELENK2

    http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2013/04/19/a-familiar-face/

    a good article on just what we look for to prevent terror attacks

  • KlugerRD

    I think your characterization of Dzhokhar is right.

    But at his age and his level of intelligence he knew what he was doing and what the outcome would be.

    But I do think much can be learned from Dzhokhar and what happened and why, because while this may be an AQ operation this was definitely influenced by AQ and these kind of operations represent as much of a danger to security as anything other organized terror groups could do.

    • Deapster

      Ratchet back your presumptions about Dzhokhar because you have to also include his friends description of him as a “normal pot-head”.

      • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

        A “normal” pothead raised by a family of kooky Islamic extremists – from the link above: http://alyssalindley.tumblr.com/post/48368749553/ive-met-the-boston-bombers

      • buzzlatte3

        Normal pothead or not, his choices have rendered him at terrorist and a murderer. There’s no excuse for going to the dark side even when the Koran extols it.

        • Deapster

          The Old Testament is pretty blood thirty too. When will you stop blaming Islam for the extremist view who have distorted this world wide and fast growing religion. Know why it was so appealing in Indonesia – because it taught all were equal under one God, unlike the rigid caste system imposed by the Hindu religion.

          It was a gentle conversion is large parts of the world who also remain horrified about what gets ascribed to its name. Much like the horrors long associated with the warriors for Christ in many parts of the world too.

          • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

            That’s the standard BS line to make Islam and Christianity equivalent. Jesus changed the old covenant in the Old Testament, and the Jewish God never condoned murder in the first place (see “The Ten Commandments.”)

            • Deapster

              The whole point of Islam has been not accepting Jesus as the final chapter son of God, in the ongoing Judeo-Christian-Islamic biblical heritage. Christianity and Islam are naturally not equivalent, but they do share common roots. Jews stopped with the prophets. Christians stopped with Jesus and Islam stopped with Mohammed. And the Mormons with Joseph Smith.

              • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

                thanks. i agree with you. appreciate your insights.

              • buzzlatte3

                You don’t know mormonism then if you believe it ended with Joe Smith. It actually perpetuates the theory that mortal men can become gods themselves. So there is no end to God. The biggest fallacy is that the Bible, the Koran, the Book of Mormon, etc are actually the word and work of God. Or Goddess, for that matter.

          • buzzlatte3

            Doesn’t justify the koran. Doesn’t justify murder. Doesn’t justify the Bible either.

            You don’t need to keep going on my account. I saw a friend be absolutely terrified after her ME Muslim relatives said they’d murder her for marrying an infidel. That was over 30 years ago. She was born in the ME and had NOTHING good to say about Islam. Her family were grateful to be in the US and didn’t even pretend to perpetuate the Islamic way of life.

          • buzzlatte3

            @Deapster: You miss the point. I’m not blaming (that’s Barry O’s trick) Islam. I’m just not buying that it’s a peace filled writing. I’m not that unfamiliar as you seem to want to paint Americans. I don’t ascribe to taking responsibility away from the perpetrator for what he did. At the end of the day, ol’ “normal pothead” allegedly committed murder. The question is: Did he do it in the name of Islam?

      • Retired_from_SPOnaj

        A normal 19 year old pothead? Hmmm, who does that remind me of?

        • buzzlatte3

          Uhhhh…Barry the Choom in Chief? :)

    • buzzlatte3

      I agree. Islam supporters love to forget about personal responsibility and free agency.

  • Popsmoke

    After looking at the public safety esemption of Miranda and while its been on the books for a while and only used once against a non-citizen. If LJ is correct this attack does not rise to the level of a AQ type of terrorism. Once again, I am troubled by this approached being used against a US Citizen arrested on US Soil….NO matter whom … If DoJ is going to use this exemption on ALL terrorism cases then we need a much better definition of terrorism.

    http://www.lawfareblog.com/2013/04/interrogating-tsarnaev-no-need-for-military-detention-here/

    http://www.lawfareblog.com/2013/04/four-reasons-sens-graham-and-mccain-are-wrong/

    • KlugerRD

      Since everything now is a educated theory there is still reason to believe that they may have had one or more enablers in the U.S., so there is a public safety reason to withhold for now.

      • Popsmoke

        ” Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither” … Benjamin Franklin

        • KlugerRD

          I’m certain Franklin did not have a mass terror killer in mind.

          They already have everything they need on him to convict him. This suspension of Miranda is to get info for security purposes – and which likely would not be be used in court or permitted to be used.

          • Popsmoke

            Who do you think the British thought were MASS TERRORISTS?

            You know people like you have to stop judging things emotionally. First the law was designed to allow authorities to interrogate folk while the threat was ONGOING. Not when they felt like. This is bullshit and all Americans should be alarmed. Yesterday was actually the day when the shot heard around the world happened. It was Patriots Day and what do we do? We capture a murderer and then piss on the Constitution. If the Feds were so concerned then the matter at hand is not over. Right? Like shit its over. The Mayor did not want to economically kill Boston by locking down the city longer than authorities were legally able too without martial law imposed. So its over and this administration pisses on the Constitution for what? Every FBI Agent who takes an oath to uphold the Constitution should be ashamed today. This law has been on the books since 1984 and only used once before with a non-citizen coming from an outside threat. Slightly different but still very much worthy of keeping an eye on….

    • TeakWoodKite

      This was on the list to look up if the SCOTUS had ruled on it. It troubles me as well.

      • jrterrier

        The Supremes have ok’ed the public safety exception. The question is how far can you go in applying it. here’s a good article on it: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/04/dzhokhar_tsarnaev_and_miranda_rights_the_public_safety_exception_and_terrorism.html

        • Popsmoke

          “The problem is that Attorney General Eric Holder has stretched the law beyond that scenario.”

          BINGO! My fear…. Any cop that follows through with this should be dismissed from his job. Now that is of course if cops are the ones who are part of this special interrorgations team.. Or is this an intelligence crew?

          Here is my real bitch with this. To protect the Constitution we have to protect this killer…. WTF?

          • jrterrier

            I believe the Bill of Rights is an amazing document that protects us all and keeps this country great. And I don’t think we should make any exceptions to the 4th, 5th, 6th or any other amendment. But I think the question is whether what’s important here is an investigation of the cause of this terrorist action or whether we are just concerned with a prosecution. I think we can have both.

            Given how much other evidence there is likely to be, he can be prosecuted and convicted without any statements that he may give (with or without Miranda warnings).

            But I’m not sure that the investigation of the terrorist activity, ties to foreign actors, or why they were radicalized, can be fully explored without hearing from him. To me, the terrorism investigation is more important than the prosecution.

        • TeakWoodKite

          Thanks for the link. NY v Quareles

    • jrterrier

      Just remember that the Miranda rule is a prophylactic rule created by the Supreme Court to encourage law enforcement to respect the Constitution, which prohibits compelling someone to incriminate himself. Interrogating him without any warnings does not violate the Constitution. As long as they don’t use anything he says during the interrogation against him, the Constitution has not been violated.

      Fifth Amendment: “No person shall be . . . compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.

      • Popsmoke

        Wrong… If your the subject of an investigation the Constitution applies. The very first question I would ask is.. Am I the subject of an investigation? If the answer is yes then the 4th and 5th applies…. my answer would be, I will not answer any questions without my lawyer present.

        • jrterrier

          I did not say the Constitution doesn’t apply. The Constitution applies whether you are the subject of an investigation or not. But the Constitution doesn’t say anything about the Miranda rule. As I quoted above, all it says is that in any criminal case you cannot be compelled to be a witness against yourself. So if they don’t use his non-Mirandized statements against him they don’t even have to go the route of a public safety exception.

          The Supreme Court in a case called Miranda v Arizona created the Miranda rule. The consequence of not following the Miranda rule is that whatever statements you make cannot be introduced against you in a trial because then you would be a “witness against himself.” But if they don’t use his statements in a trial against him, then the 5th Amendment does not even come into play. And the statements he and his brother supposedly made to the victim of the carjacking on Thursday evening are admissible when they supposedly said that they were responsible for the marathon bombs come in against him because they were admissions. And all the other evidence they have against him — forensic, photos, statements to others, whatever they found at their home, the id made by one of the victims who has said that he saw the guy drop the backpack next to him moments before it blew up — also comes in regardless of Miranda warning.

          And there are a number of post-Miranda cases that have found that if you make a statement — not in response to a question — then the Miranda rule doesn’t even come into play. Say, you start babbling as soon as you are confronted, then those statements are admissible against you.

          • Popsmoke

            Yeah except in the cases where the exemption was used….the material can be used against you..that is the issue …the USSC was suppose to decide this matter… Looks like we need to have them make a very clear ruling….

    • Deapster

      Case ready made for the ACLU?

  • http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/ LuthersRose

    Yesterday WBZ (and other sources) reported that Tamarlan received citizenship on 9/11/12. So yet another erroneous report.

    Larry, was this girlfriend the girl who eventually became Tamarlan’s wife, and who is seen in one of the photos here:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:UrJiMrV1lvIJ:www.photoshelter.com/gallery/-/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    (if the site is down again, I have a copy)

    I am frankly suspicious of the entire Tsarnaev clan. There were so many contradictions in the Uncles’ interviews. The Aunt in Canada is crazy. They all know a LOT, and I am sure the cops will be sorting things out for many weeks. Did the uncle who claimed junior bro called him out of the blue this week call the police once he saw the FBI photos and realized they were his nephews?

    • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

      The Tumblr link Helen posted above says a lot. I’ve heard much from ex-Muslim activists that Islamic radicals will bald-faced lie to Americans about their true intentions. Sounds like the parents might have encouraged it… As this woman wrote: “When I read online that she had left for Russia a few months ago, my first reaction was to think that she might have known about the attacks her sons were planning. “

    • DianaLC

      The one who received citizenship was Dzhokhar. You mistook the details.

      • http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/ LuthersRose

        Thanks. My mistake.

    • TeakWoodKite
    • Popsmoke

      Remember one thing… Citizenship does not mean loyality….unfortunately….

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      It was the younger brother who received his citizenship on 9/11/12

  • elizabethrc

    While I can’t know for certain but the fact is that the older brother spent many months in Chechnya learning apparently how to blow Americans up. I think there can only be one reason for that and it may come only partially out of anger at America for denying him his selfish dream. It is for this reason that I cut Islamic extremism no slack. Had those camps not existed to spread their vile actions, perhaps this man would have limited his hatred and irrationality to his wife and not to legions of innocent victims. The festering hatred of non-Islamists has only begun and the effects will be felt again.
    Obama utterly failed the American citizens, as did Eric Holder.

  • Deapster

    Since Colorado is celebrating recreational pot, good time to highlight friends of the bombers saying he was just a “normal pot head”. File this under troubled young men with impulse control problems.

    If pot eases all their normal emotional growing pains, then how can they make healthy judgements when faced with ludicrous schemes to kill random people in revenge for one’s own personal failings.

    Doobie, doobie, doo doo. Pot and young brains is what your new generation of permissiveness and denial is speaking to you.

    • DianaLC

      I’m from Colorado. I do not smoke pot. My recent experience with students arguing for and against this right to smoke each had a point. Many thought it was a stupid move, but they felt it would be o.k. if then the same laws for driving drunk applied to driving stoned, etc. The ones who were against it just felt that since we have so much more trouble from alcohol consumption and can’t seem to control that here, we didn’t need to add to our problems.

      But for the majority of the students, they were NOT POTHEADS.

      You see, here in Colorado, we like to think that as humans we can make good decisions. I don’t drink, smoke, or take any sort of drugs, except when prescribed (and then the doctor better explain why I should take it and what I can expect in side effects). But first in my mind is my right to choose what I will do to my body and to choose how I will treat others, and that means not endangering others.

      At my age, I’ve known potheads who never once did as despicable a thing as plant explosives that would kill and mangle.

      Kids learn to make healthy judgments when they are given good parental and societal guidance. These young men were obviously not getting that. They were placed into a society that their parents were too unfamiliar with, trying to achieve things the way that long-time Americans have learned to achieve goals. But in Tamerlan’s case, he was obviously NOT provided the guidance about the women he chose to hang out with or the way to treat them correctly. His uncle gives hints that his influence may have come more from his mother’s side, and she from all accounts seems to be a terrible role model in that regard. And she was not Chechen.

      I’ve seen behaviors in other parts of the world that should receive as much of your disdain as you give to American behaviors.

      Quit blaming American society, which clearly was founded on the believe in INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY.

      I do feel for the younger boy. I’ve had two nineteen-year-old sons and know how much emotional turmoil they were going through. Think of it. His parents were gone from him. When my son’s were that age, I prayed about them, worried about them, talked with them constantly and they were able to come to me for guidance and help with their problems. I blame the immediate family of these two young men–plus especially the people who thought it wise to teach young men of that age to make dangerous bombs and weapons.

      • Deapster

        How do you in Colorado do the equivalent of a breathalyzer or blood alcohol test for pot impaired driving?

        • DianaLC

          It’s a work in progress, this new law, just as the medical marijuana law is being worked on.

          As I said, I was not necessarily for either of them, but at the same time, I am for individual and lawful behavior.

          And I can’t say that I see swarms of potheads all the time in the places I go to in Colorado. I just didn’t like your characterizing all Coloradoans as potheads. (Maybe, I’d let you get away with doing so for Boulder, the 40 square miles surrounded by reality and the home of the uber progressive liberals.)

          • Deapster

            We thought medical marijuana would offer compassionate suffering relief for those terminally ill when we passed our medi-pot authorizations. We assumed people would make intelligent choices too.

            Then we found out every two-bit MD would write authorizations for a hundred bucks a head to whole groups of people at the same time, who filled out forms attesting to their “terminal” illnesses, who were mainly young students now coming high to class waiving their medical marijuana cards and smoking openly in parks and on city streets.

            First casualty – med school grads who found making easy pot authorization money was the fast track to pay off medical school loans. Capitalism in action here too. So we lost a generation of medical training now too to the pot industry.

            Mexican gangs came in to control the pot trade. Millions of dollars of pot now comes ashore in panga boats and burned bodies are found in our national forest land where pot farms are booby trapped and pesticides are killing wildlife and polluting watershed.

            The level of drop-out behavior among young people raised as “normal pot heads” now littering our streets with bands of “crusty-yoach” drifters make the circuit up and down the coast coming for the easy pot, and dealing to their friends out of state.

            I will now be happy to hand them maps to Colorado. Alcohol did us no favors and now we have pot abuse on top of alcohol. Yes, there are some things I do hate about America and the freedom to waste lives when handed freedom and liberty. And then stick the rest of us with their societal costs. I don’t like that part of America at all.

            We have so much to hate right here that we don’t need to make up enemies out of the entire religion of Islam. Hate the drug lords wasting a generation of our own Americans right under your nose long before you hate crazy terrorists who so far have actually done far less damage to us than illegal drugs .. and alcohol.

            • buzzlatte3

              Lots of problems will disappear when humans figure out that personal responsibility is a necessary trait to survive this world as governed by the 12 Universal Laws. (Look it up).

  • HELENK2
    • http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/ LuthersRose

      great column, great question that crossed my mind:

      “If their homeland was so perilous to begin with, why would a resident alien risk going back to a place whose danger was the primary reason for his original request for asylum in the U.S.?”

      Also wondering why Father Tsarnaev returned to live in Russia…

    • Popsmoke

      Like some, I question the standard American conceit that ignorance of the U.S. explains anti-American behavior in the Islamic world. It often seems just as likely the very opposite case: The more Islamists are exposed to our affluence, popular culture, informality, self-critique, lack of hierarchy, sexual liberality, tolerance of homosexuality, parity between the sexes, and tolerance of all religious observance, and see that such American values may contribute to the world’s attraction to the United States, the more they end up hating it, not the least because of fears that America’s nature erodes one’s own zealotry.”

      The man is an idiot.., When we stop thinking that the rest of the world wants to be like us and pissing in other peopeles backyards then maybe things will change…

  • Deapster

    One more impulse-control challenged young man, troubled by his relationships with women. If you track many of the recent mass killings you find a very similar profile. Young man or men untested and unseasoned acting upon highly confused sexual rejection revenge missions. Male/female relationships in the US are among the most perverted, distorted and troubled disconnect between image and reality as anywhere.

    Absolutely no positive role modeling anywhere for respect, courtesy, responsibility, candor or decency. It is all about lust, power, control, cynical use, and degradation in movies, songs, video games and finally acting out with guns, bombs and violence from Sandy Hook to Boston, and as far back as Columbine and before. Young men troubled about their roles in life and unhealthy fixations about women who reject them.

    Women cheapening themselves in the eyes of men (look no further than the current effin “sorority girl” flap) are as much a part of this syndrome as the men who use and abuse them.

    • HELENK2

      why is it that ever since Eve, it is always the woman’s fault?
      are men that weak? then what are they good for?

      • Deapster

        The goddess religions existed long before Adam and Eve. Americans in particular need to broaden their world view beyond the space/time limitations of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions if they are truly going to heal themselves from within.

        • http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/ LuthersRose

          Thanks, now I’ve got a bead on your worldview/theology.

          TILT

          • Deapster

            Peace, bro.

            • buzzlatte3

              ah, but you don’t really mean it or you wouldn’t be a Koran thumper here.

        • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

          Jesus was not a misogynist by any stretch of the imagination. Mohammed clearly was.

          • TeakWoodKite

            Mohammad was a mentally challenged pervert, even by the standards of his own day.

            • Deapster

              Whoowheee, now what planet are you talking about? A little factual sanity please.

              • TeakWoodKite

                Are going seriously argue that Mo was a stand up guy, a pillar of the community? These are historical facts “in the eyes of men.”

          • Deapster

            He was married to a respected business woman. I think you are getting political extremism and tribal culture mixed up with Islam. Catholic popes could easily be also labeled misogynists under your definition.

        • DianaLC

          Many Americans have done what you have said to do. I’ve read The Alphabet vs. the Goddess, for instance and I’ve studied those religions you mention.

          Just in case you are feeling your knowledge and reading so superior to mine, a Christian.

          I’ve also read some mystics of the Christian religion. I also know about the Mary worship that was most powerful during the Middle Ages. It came about because of the need to see the more feminine aspect of God. I recommend you read Julian of Norwich to see a woman Christian mystic write about Mary in relation to Christ.

          Quit hating on Americans. Hate on the old, fat, uneducated Muslim men who use young confused Muslim men to carry out their stupid ideology.

          • buzzlatte3

            @Deepster: The most closed viewpoint towards the goddess or feminine aspect of spirituality/religion is the one perpetuated by the Muslims.

            Even the Mormons recently gave women the right and chance to conduct prayer at their spring conference.

            What progress has been made for women in the Muslim hierarchy?

            • Deapster

              Female property rights for one, came under Sharia long before US women were even given the vote.

              • buzzlatte3

                But so easy to lose your life at the whim of a male. Next.

                • Deapster

                  Look at the track record of domestic violence right here in America, and the role drugs and alcohol plays in the whims of men to act out violently against women in the USA.

                  • buzzlatte3

                    I’m sure you’re happy in your Islamic smugness. Between life in America and life elsewhere, I’ll take America. BTW: Having known women from SE Asia and the ME and one with a ME husband, NONE of them extol the virtues of the Muslim life or Islam. I’ll take their stances as the word.

          • Deapster

            I like “When God Was a Woman” as a pivotal game changer for western thinking. Please travel to countries which either are officially Islamic or have high Islamic population numbers and see how well your negative imagery holds up. Start with Singapore, try Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, and yes even Pakistan.

            • buzzlatte3

              Now you’re just getting obnoxious like Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormon missionaries.
              LOL!
              What’s in your heart, Deapster? God through someone else’s definition? Or God though your own heart?

        • TeakWoodKite

          “space/time limitations” WTF???
          What are you? From another galaxy?

          • Deapster

            Human life on this planet existed long before the Judeo-Christian religious traditions which are a mere 5-6000 year story became the dominant feature of western civilization. So no, not from another planet. Right here on planet earth.

            • buzzlatte3

              Lets be real. Before the Quaran, also. Before the Book of Kells and before the Dead Sea Scrolls, or the Mayan calendar. All man contrived records with a human interpretation factor attached to all of them.

            • TeakWoodKite

              And Lucy had a part time job on the Serengeti Burger joint. What’s your point? To excuse the behavior of “muslim” boys by conflating it with the obscure reality you live in? “Women cheapening themselves” in who’s eyes?

        • jrterrier

          heal themselves from within??? it’s our freedom that allows these tragedies. And in the end, I’d probably have the freedoms & risk the awful dangers. In most other societies — certainly in Chechen & Russia — suspect #1 would not have been jailed on suspicion and not been free to carry out this abomination. Only in America … and that’s a good thing.

    • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

      I’d rather deal with the sexism here in America than live in a fundamentalist Islamic country where I as a woman would have no more rights than a dog. Where I’d have to wear a veil and walk a few steps behind my husband out in public. Where I, as a girl, might have been forced to marry a man decades my senior without my consent because that’s what Mohammed did with a 6-year-old. Where rape is sanctioned and women are stoned if they “commit adultery.” Islam is a woman-hating religion, period.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Islam is not a religion.

      • Deapster

        You need to travel more and explain to me why so many Islamic countries have elected or appointed women as their chief executive officer and all Sarah Palin or Hilary Clinton got were the most vile and sexist slurs for even daring to try.

        • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

          One female head of state does not make up for acid thrown in the faces of young girls forced into arranged marriages. And Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State and Sarah Palin a governor. Try again.

          • Deapster

            One? Try dozens of women in Islamic countries who have chosen female leaders: Turkey, Sri Lanka, Pakistan to name just a few that immediately come to mind.

            • buzzlatte3

              And killed…

    • DianaLC

      Deepster, now I am convinced that you are the type who think women’s hair is too sexy and too luring for men to be able to resist. You are, indeed, Muslim, and I would like you to say it.

      You are always trying to divert the discussion away from the crazy fundamentalists of Islam.

      As a Christian growing up decades ago, we girls were taught to be modest and kind. You look only at television but not around you to see there are many, many American young women who are very good, modest, and kind young women. They, too, are often the ones targeted by the crazy serial killers or the young men who can’t control their anger and hatred because, either they are born sociopaths/psychopaths, or no one recognized that they needed guidance and instead approved of their anger and confusion because it seemed “manly.”

      I still blame the crazy fundamentalist Muslims who make it seem a “noble” or “courageous” thing to do to die for Islam and take out as many others as they can. They prey on young men, who are at the worst emotional age for young men. Don’t blame the women. The one man whose two legs had to be amputated and who woke up in the hospital and immediately asked for a paper so he could say that he had seen Tamerlan look straight at him when he placed the bag and then go on to describe him and his clothes was NOT AN AMERICAN GIRL.

      I think the one uncle was right in the first place. Tamerlan was a loser who couldn’t find his way. That indicates to me that his parents were losers too for not guiding their children better and making excuses for their bad behaviors.

      • Deapster

        These two were bat-shit crazy. Don’t blame Islam.

    • jrterrier

      Completely disagree that “Male/female relationships in the US are among the most perverted, distorted and troubled disconnect between image and reality as anywhere.” Relationships that are perverted, distorted and troubled are about the persons in the relationship; not about the nationality of the participants. But if you want to generalize, relationships between American men & women are some of the healthiest because of the equality of the genders.

      • Deapster

        A least a dozen Islamic countries have had or have female presidents or chiefs of state. America has had zero.

  • HELENK2

    http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/20/boston-manhunt-the-day-after/

    the younger one was on campus everyday after the bombing. attended classes and dorm parties.

    can’t let killing and maiming interfere with your life

    • Deapster

      Described by friends as just a “normal pot-head”. How much more American can he get?

      • http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/ LuthersRose

        Yes, there is much darkness and nihilism contained in that quote. I noticed it too.

        While you speak much truth, I think you underestimate the religious element. Christianity – even the weak, watered down, American Evangelical versions – do provide a curb. Islamism seeks out and exploits weakness. It is vengeful and completely upside down regarding the nature of Man and the nature of God.

  • HARP2

    One picture says it all.

    • Deapster

      What does it say? This is such a stupid representation of the “state of the world” it only shows someone has not traveled more than 6 blocks from their own home. Look at your own home-grown images of young US women in song, story, movies and video games if you want to see the “state of the world”.

      • DianaLC

        Deepster,

        Do you have something against HARP2?

        I do remember how as a young student ready to enter college I was told to read The Ugly American. I read it and took to heart the fact that we Americans were a bit spoiled and unaware because of the safety and security and prosperity we enjoyed as Americans, and I think I was in particular because of growing up on a farm in the less populated part of the country where poverty and gangs, etc., were not evident.

        I think your point about young US women may be partly relevant, but it does not deny the message of the image. I believe you are thinking the message is decrying the use of the Muslim head covering on the girl who represents East. I believe that the message is more negative toward the girl representing the West. She is either a Pollyanna, as I was, raised in a stable, happy home and unaware of how others lived or a girl like those you mention, who simply keep their eyes away from what they could see and selfishly think of their own pleasures and desires.

        Right now I am thinking of the young woman who was recently killed for trying to take books to women and girls in Afghanistan. She was probably too naive about the dangers she faced over there. But she was a fine example of an American young woman.

        It was not Christian or American values that got her killed but the values of the crazy and twisted people who have twisted Islam.

        If you are Muslim, as I am beginning to suspect, I am willing to believe, as I said before, that there are peaceful Muslims. I simply want them to condemn the crazy ones, as I, a Christian, condemn the crazy Christians who protest at soldiers’ funerals, bomb abortion facilities and also believe stupid things that twist their own children.

        • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

          Good post, Diana, but you need to read up more on Islam. Islam is institutionalized misogyny. Go read Wafa Sultan’s book on Islam…it will horrify you.

          • DianaLC

            I tend to believe you without reading the book. However, I do remember stories about slightly similar things in fundamentalist Christian churches. Maybe they didn’t ever get to the point of beheading their women. My ex-mother-in-law, who was raised in a fundamentalist church, was once called out in the middle of a church service for cutting her hair. I read stories of women being signed over to horrible mental institutions simply because they became a little “uppity.”

            None of these examples are as severe as killing daughters because they became too American and dated non-Muslim boys, etc. But my real faith is in the “leveling” influence of America. My own far less severely fundamentalist Christian relatives are now not close to being as strict as they were when I was young, especially as the younger generations married outside our “culture.”

            My real point is that people who accept what America has to offer need to make special effort to open their eyes and see ALL of America–see the mostly good and ignore the bad.

            The Chechen boy said his first reaction to America was to become extremely “greedy” because we have so much comparatively. When he started doing dangerous and wrong things, his father wisely ripped his family away from New York to come out here where the chance to get into such severe trouble and to see so much material wealth was not so high.

            Islam is so slow in growing up. But i believe it will. Remember, the Crusaders were known to put chastity belts on their women as they left to fight their infidels.

            • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

              Based on your comment comparing Christianity to Islam, you really should read her book. There is no comparison. I see a lot on the left do that to excuse Islam…whenever you bring up Jihad, they bring up Crusades. Well, there is a HUGE difference. One of the big differences is that the fundamentalists you mention are very fringe and not representative of mainstream Christianity. It’s also not codified into our government. In Islam, church and state are the same and Sharia Law gives women *no rights whatsoever*.

              In Christianity, if you grow up in a fringe denomination where women are asked not to cut their hair, you can leave when you grow up without fear of being condemned to death. And you have options for a more liberal denomination. Or to leave entirely. In Islamic countries, all you have is one monolithic religion with warring factions, with *no* liberal Islamic denominations to choose from. And you cannot leave the religion.

              • DianaLC

                I understand your point, but don’t forget that Constantine DID make Christianity the state religion. Don’t forget that our Puritan influence was so great because they came here for the simple reason that they did not feel they had to worship from the Book of Common Prayer. Think of the Hundred Years War and the many others during the same time period fought over whose form of Christian religion should be followed. Think about the horrors of the Inquisition. There were so many bloody centuries of Christians fighting Christians over the doctrine–just as we see Sunni against Shia. And the bloodshed against women who were “witches” and the writings of St. Jerome about women were not kind either.

                I have read Christian history–several accounts. Our modern experience of Christianity comes from the fact that it took centuries for us to “grow up.”

                Meanwhile, I am amazed that the Muslim religion in many countries has not used those same centuries to “grow up.”

                I’ve read enough of Sultan’s writing and watched videos to know what you are talking about. I’ve read other accounts of women from those societies. It’s indeed abominable. It was indeed abominable what happened in Christian history also.

                You are not getting my point about how much the Muslim world has refused to “grow up.” And, my belief as a Christian is that it IS because their beliefs are twisted at the root. I was born into a tight Christian family, raised in church, but spent much of my life studying other religions, only to become more convinced of my Christian beliefs.

                I am not saying that there aren’t horrible aspects of the Muslim religion, but you might be wrong in taking only one person’s view of the time and place she experienced the religion as the ONLY manifestation of the Muslim religion.

                In other countries where there is mandated religious freedom, Muslims do still find it very hard to leave their Muslim communities for fear of ostracism. But in those countries there are also laws protecting Muslims from the crazy beheadings, killings, and stonings, etc.

                As a Christian I do not EVER support a government mandated religion. Religion should be about God’s kingdom, not mankind’s.

                • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

                  There’s a really simple answer to your question as to why Christianity “grew up” and Islam did not. And it is explained in Sultan’s book, which is far more extensive than her articles or comments.

                  The difference is what Mohammed and the Koran teaches. The truth is, when someone is being a jerk in the name of Christianity, they are generally flying in the face of what Jesus taught. But when someone is being violent, misogynistic, or terrorizing in the name of Islam, it is because they are following in Mohammed’s footsteps.

                  Islam cannot fully “grow up” unless the religion becomes entirely relativistic, meaning, all of Islam would have to interpret it according to the soft, smushy ideals of a Karen Armstrong, who would interpret “jihad” as simply strong of purpose. But look at how much of Christianity is relativistic? We have a good portion of Christians believing the Bible is 100% literal. Thank God the worst to come out of that is an opposition to gay marriage. If you take the Koran to be literal, you’ll be marrying off 6-year-olds, raping women and children, taking on multiple wives, and killing hundreds of Jews and other “infidels.”

                  THAT is the difference. And Sultan says since the Koran cannot be directly translated out of the Arabic, and most Hadiths are not, we Westerners have no idea how horrific the teaches really are.

                  Read her book…I promise, it is very eye-opening.

                  • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

                    PS The Western world was a pretty brutal place when Jesus came on the scene…it took over a thousand years for his teachings of peace and tolerance to fully permeate Western culture, and we still have a long ways to go. There is no hope for the Islamic world to “evolve” in that direction as long as Mohammed is their role model. They will only “evolve” because of the influence of other (Judeo-Christian, Hindu, Sikh) values…not because of the values taught in the Koran.

                    • DianaLC

                      But perhaps they will evolve because of good Christians’ treatment of them.

                    • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

                      We can only hope.

                    • Popsmoke

                      So where did you aquire this Qur’an expertise from? Liberty University?

                  • Popsmoke

                    the Hadiths (all 600+ of them) have zip to do with the Qur’an or the 5 Pillars of Islam..

                    Read well, read smart…

                    http://books.google.com/books/about/Children_of_Abraham.html?id=nmkfoYvYF7YC

                    • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

                      No, not true, Islam is not like evangelical Christianity, which focuses on the Bible as the sole and only source of spiritual law. The Hadiths are perhaps best compared to the Catholic Catechism, which is the compendium of Catholic Church teachings that supplement the Bible. Saying that the Hadiths have no relation or impact is like saying the rules in the Catechism are “optional” to Catholics. I’m just tired of people trying to make Islam out to be better than it is. Just because it’s been around for a while doesn’t mean it’s good or right.

                    • Popsmoke

                      I don’t know whether to laugh, cry, be insulted or shake my head. To compare the Hadith to the Catholic Catechism is like comparing your head to a watermellon. Frist, I am Catholic and a practicing one who not only has studied the Bibile under the supervision of a Catholic Priest for over ten years. But also understands the

                    • JohnnyTwoDog

                      If you are really a Catholic you must have told a few Jesus jokes with not the slightest fear of repercussion. Can anyone tell a Mohammed joke anywhere on the planet without fear?
                      Pretty much all you need to know

                  • buzzlatte3

                    Agreed. Except they are killing infidels. 8 year old ones. I had to study world religions in 7th grade. No kidding. Islam was the least peaceful and loving.

              • skep247

                You have hit the nail on the head! Another great book for those with eyes to see and ears to hear…Cruel and Usual Punishment, by Nonie Darwish. She and Sultan both have lived the Islamic life from birth and from the perspective of different countries. They know of what they speak, and they speak with the constant threat of death hanging over their heads because they do speak out. With that said, there is one thing missing in the picture–a gag in the mouth of the West. To be fair, there are many men of the the East who also are silenced by fear. Daniel Shayesteh and Mosab Yousef are two men who have written about their experiences.

              • Deapster

                There are billions of Muslims on this planet. There are only a few hundred million Christians.

                I think you need to revise your world view, but only after you actually travel to as many of them as possible and stop getting hung up on the worst minority fringes emanating from Saudi Arabia, funded by petrodollars.

                Hate them and the horse they rode in on. That is fine and well-earned. But keep your broad brush away from the other billions of Muslims who do not come close to this cartoon vision you have of the entire religion and its adherents.

                See if you can find the movie “Divorce Iranian Style” for a little more depth to your cartoon version of this whole topic.

                • rr_ww

                  33% of the world population is Christian, 21% of the world population is Muslim. Approx. 7 billion in world, your math is wrong.

                  • buzzlatte3

                    Ah, pesky stats get them everytime…

            • Deapster

              I was raised on stories about the mass murder of millions of women in European witch hunts – for just being women during the Burning Times. Also known as the more male-oriented Age of Enlightenment.

          • Deapster

            Please travel to Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey and Sri Lanka and then get back to me about “institutional misogyny.” Then just pick up your local police crime blottters and track the level of domestic violence in your own city. Point here, is stop making up things about Islam and stick to stupid people doing stupid things. On all sides of the fence.

            Prophetically a wise gentleman involved with a global charitable organization, and a liberal one at that, said the worst thing that has happened to America of late is winning the Cold war. They lost someone to hate.

            This free-floating need to hate seems now seems to have landed on this cartoon one-dimensional version of Islam.

        • Deapster

          Oh dear, the ignorance about Islam is so deep in the US. What is the statement of the US Sports Illustrated bathing suit issue and their requisite body coverings?

      • HARP2

        Enjoy your ignorance.

    • http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/ LuthersRose

      wow, that’s one of the best graphics ever

    • Popsmoke

      Its more like we are clueless not blind…

      • TeakWoodKite

        “…got two good eyes but still don’t see”..
        Casey Jones

      • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

        Willfully clueless as well as clueless due to political correctedness. We are not allowed to openly criticize Islam in this country without being labeled an Islamophobe.

  • KenoshaMarge

    I can see how the events of Tamerlane’s life lead to doing what he did. Some people simply are too unbalanced to accept life when it smacks them around. And some people decide that since they aren’t happy it’s perfectly fine to go out and murder some people, including children, who had nothing to do with their problems.

    If he had gone after the ex- girlfriend I could have understood his reasoning. Not accepted his actions, cunt or no cunt, but I could have understood. What he did is not reasonable, or to me, understandable.

    I also cannot understand a mind so feeble that you decide it would be a jolly time to go and kill some people because your brother, whom you love, is pissed off. In fact, and this is just me, that makes little brother even worse than big brother who at least had a “reason” in his twisted mind for what he did.

    May God forgive them. I cannot.

    Just my 2 cents worth.