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Debunking the Debunkers on Benghazi

I am working odd shifts and cannot routinely write. I will be addressing Juan Cole’s piece regarding the 10 so-called Benghazi myths. In the meantime, here’s my appearance on Geraldo last Saturday.

So, with that little warm up let me address Juan Cole’s recent piece citing ten “myths” surrounding Benghazi.

1. Republican senators keep saying that it should have been “easy” to find out what happened on September 11, 2012, by simply debriefing US personnel who had been there. John McCain, Ron Johnson and the others who make this charge are the most cynical and manipulative people in the world. The Benghazi US mission was very clearly an operation of the Central Intelligence Agency, and that is the reason that the Obama administration officials have never been able to speak frankly and publicly about it. McCain and the others know this very well, and they know that their public carping cannot be “simply” answered because the answers would endanger sources and methods. The consulate was amazingly well-guarded by some 40 CIA operatives, many of them ex-special forces, in a nearby safe house. These were viewed by consular officials as “the cavalry.” It is still not clear what Ambassador Chris Stevens and the CIA were doing in Benghazi, and unless we know that we can’t know why they were attacked. (They were not overseeing the shipping of weapons to Syria; the Syrian revolutionaries complain bitterly that the US *prevents* them from getting medium and heavy weapons).

Well Juan, you have not been paying attention. The reason some of the Syrian revolutionaries complain so bitterly is that the US role in supplying weapons and fighters has been clandestine. But clandestine in a way akin to Iran Contra. Rather than sign a Presidential Finding and brief Congress, the White House and Hillary opted to back a secret program outside of the traditional intelligence channels. It was funded by the Saudis and Qataris. With no US funds involved then there was no need to brief Congress. You, Juan, are missing the point. Congress has not been told the truth, even within the secret confines of the Intel Committees.

2. Republicans keep posturing that their questions about Benghazi are intended to bolster US security. In fact, they are harming it. Republican hearings in the House of Representative have disgracefully revealed the names of Libyans talking to the US consulate, thus endangering their lives and harming US efforts to understand the situation in the country, since who would risk talking to the embassy if they know about Darrell Issa’s big mouth?

Democracy is a bitch, ain’t it. I do not recall you raising an issue about the Obama Administration outing a Pakistani Doctor who helped us confirm Osama Bin Laden’s presence in Abottabad. You cannot name a single Libyan who is in jail or dead because of what the Republicans have done. You cannot say the same for the poor Doctor wasting away in a Pakistani prison.

3. The GOP figures keep saying that it was obvious that there was no demonstration at the Benghazi consulate against the so-called “film,” the ‘Innocence of Muslims’ that attacked the Prophet Muhammad. But in fact Libyan security officials repeatedly told wire services on September 12 that there was such a demonstration, and that the attack issued from those quarters. An American resident in Benghazi at that time confirms that there were such demonstrations that day. The secular-minded revolutionary militia that guarded the US consulate for the Libyan government kept the demonstrations far enough away from the consulate gates that they would not have shown up in security videos.

Nope. Not true. There was no demonstration. There was an organized attack. The CIA issued situation reports, starting the evening of 9-11 and continuing until the morning of the 12th. I am told by friends who have seen those reports that there is no mention of any demonstration. But you do not have to take the word of my anonymous sources. We have the testimony of the man who became acting Ambassador in Libya, Greg Hicks, who testified last week under oath. He was in contact both with Ambassador Stevens and his security officer and testified there was no demonstration. It was a terrorist attack. And with respect to your secular-minded militia? They bailed and ran away.

4. Benghazi, a city of over a million, is not dominated by “al-Qaeda,” contrary to what Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina has repeatedly said or implied. The city had successful municipal elections in May, just before I got there. The number one vote-getter was a woman professor of statistics at the university. While political Islam is a force in Benghazi, only some relatively small groups are militant, and it has to compete with nationalist, tribal and regional ideological currents. In Libya’s parliamentary elections of July, 2012, the Muslim Brotherhood did very poorly and nationalists came to power. Women won 20% of the seats! The elected Speaker of Parliament, Muhammad Magarief, called for a secular constitution for Libya and a separation of religion and state.

Secular city, huh? You clearly are not paying attention to what is going on in Libya. US AFRICOM took steps this week to prepare for the evacuation of US personnel from all of Libya because of the rising threat of Islamic extremists. You really need to look at the news once in a while. Here’s what CNN reported the other day:

Several dozen combat-ready U.S. Marines stationed in southern Spain have been put on alert to potentially move into Libya and assist in the evacuation of American personnel if the unrest grows there in the coming days, a senior military official confirms to CNN.
The Marines have not yet moved from their base, but could be ordered to move closer to Libya so they could get there faster if a full evacuation is ordered.
A team of special operations forces also are on standby in Germany to assist, if needed.
The Marines in Spain are supposed to be ready to move within six hours of notification. By moving them closer, that time frame could be cut in half.

Your next point?

5. Contrary to repeated assertions that it was obvious that terrorist groups were rampaging around in the city, members of the Benghazi municipal council told then US ambassador Chris Stevens that security in the city was improving in summer, 2012. In fact, one Senator John McCain said during a visit to Libya last February, ““We are very happy to be back here in Libya and to note the enormous progress and changes made in the past few months… We know that many challenges lie ahead… but we are encouraged by what we have seen.” Doesn’t sound to me like McCain was running around like Chicken Little warning that the sky was about to fall on US diplomats there. Want to know who else came along on that trip? Lindsey Graham, who likewise didn’t issue any dire warnings in its aftermath.

You can insist that the Sun revolves around the moon. But the sincerity of your belief does not make it reality. The intel reports provided to State Department, many in classified channels, pointed to a growing threat. Just because Lindsey Graham and John McCain were as blind as you does not make your position correct.

6. Contrary to the “Libya-is-riddled-with-al-Qaeda” meme of the GOP politicians, there is a strong civil society and tribal opposition to fundamentalist militias in Benghazi, of which Amb. Chris Stevens was well aware. Tripoli-based journalist Abd-al-Sattar Hatitah explained in the pages of the pan-Arab London daily al-Sharq al-Awsat [Sept. 30, 2012, trans. USG Open Source Center]:

Jesus Christ!! You really have chugged the koolaid on Arab spring. If things were so secular and moderate we would not be moving Marines into position to evacuate our folks from Libya. Wake up man!

7. Al-Qaeda is not for the most part even a “thing” in Libya. The only formal al-Qaeda affiliate in the region is al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), which is not a Libyan but an Algerian organization. Just calling all Salafi groups “al-Qaeda” is propaganda. They have to swear fealty to Ayman al-Zawahiri (or in the past, Usama Bin Laden) to be al-Qaeda. The main al-Qaeda connection in Benghazi is to Abu Yahya al-Libi, who was killed in northern Pakistan by a US drone strike in June. Some of his close relatives in Benghazi may have been angry about this (depending on how well they liked him), but they are not known to form a formal al-Qaeda cell. There are also young men from Dirna in the Benghazi area, some of whom fought against the US in Iraq. Their numbers are not large and, again, they don’t have al-Zawahiri’s phone number on auto-dial. Sen. McCain was a big supporter of the US intervention in Libya and seems to have been all right with Abdul Hakim Belhadj being his ally, even though in the zeroes Belhadj would have been labeled ‘al-Qaeda.’

I agree with you that McCain and his ilk who backed the ironically named “Arab Spring” was blind to what was really going on in Libya. You are missing the point–radical Islamists that are ideologically and theologically in sync with what we conveniently label as Al Qaeda are flocking to Libya and taking control.

8. Ansar al-Sharia (Helpers of Islamic Law) is just an informal grouping of a few hundred hard line fundamentalists in Benghazi, and may be a code word to refer to several small organizations. There are no known operational links between Ansar al-Sharia and al-Qaeda. It is a local thing in Benghazi.

WRONG!! But to prove you wrong would require divulging specific intelligence. The conclusions drawn by the intelligence community on this point are not idle fantasies.

9. Leaders of Ansar al-Sharia have denied that they directed their organization to attack the US consulate and have condemned the attack.

DOUBLE WRONG! The identities and linkage on this point are backed up by significant evidence.

10. Lindsey Graham and others point to instances of political violence this past summer in Benghazi as obvious harbingers of the September 11 consulate attack. But it was a tiny fringe group, the Omar Abdel Rahman Brigades, that claimed responsibility for setting off a small pipe bomb in front of the gate of the US consulate last June. This is what the US statement said last June:

“There was an attack late last night on the United States office in Benghazi,” a US embassy official said, adding that only the gate was damaged and no one was hurt. The diplomat said a homemade bomb had been used in the attack on the office, set up after the 2011 uprising against Muammar Qadhafi and kept open to support the democratic transition “

You’d have to be a real scaredy cat to pack up and leave because of a thing like that, which is what Sen. Graham keeps saying should have been the response.

Look Juan, you are a typical academic. No real experience of having to actually protect people in a foreign environment. There were clear warning signs prior to the attacks on 9-11-2012. Those indicators alarmed the security professionals at the Embassy in Tripoli. Their requests for additional help were rejected. Investigators will prove conclusively that Under Secretary Patrick Kennedy is the one who pushed the decision to scale back security.

The bottomline from the events that we now know as the second 9-11 is that four Americans died because security had been scaled back prior to the attack and, when the attack came, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton opted to deal with the event as a political crisis that had to be contained rather than confront it as a terrorist attack on the United States. You may share Hillary’s view, i.e., “WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?”

It makes a huge difference that the President of the United States and the Secretary of State decide to do nothing of substance when faced with a coordinated, organized terrorist attack. That kind of leadership failure only makes more terrorism likely.

  • tuolei169

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  • gracepmc

    The reason some of the Syrian revolutionaries complain so bitterly is
    that the US role in supplying weapons and fighters has been clandestine.
    But clandestine in a way akin to Iran Contra. Rather than sign a
    Presidential Finding and brief Congress, the White House and Hillary
    opted to back a secret program outside of the traditional intelligence
    channels.

    Just curious. Did Brennan have a hand in this?

    • Deapster

      Details?

      • gracepmc

        ? Just curious if Brennan had a hand in co- ordinating the weapons to Syrian rebels while he was at WH.

      • gracepmc
  • jrterrier

    When Impeachment was first mentioned, I thought people had lost their minds. But with the IRS brouhaha, it may be a real possibility particularly if Benghazi morphs into Iran Contra and if a stand-down order was given by the President.

    Look at Article 2 of the Nixon articles of Impeachment:

    Article 2

    Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has repeatedly engaged in conduct violating the constitutional rights of citizens, impairing the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, or contravening the laws governing agencies of the executive branch and the purposed of these agencies.

    This conduct has included one or more of the following:

    He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavored to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be initiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.

  • jrterrier

    I know others have said this before but it just sounds so true. The WH obvioulsy forgot the old adage about keeping your friends close and your enemies closer. Perhaps they shouldn’t have forced Petraeus out last November.

    “Despite protestations by the White House, this scandal is just beginning. And the White House has picked a very bad scapegoat: the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA follows RFK’s edict: “Don’t get mad, get even.” And when the CIA gets even, it isn’t pretty.

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/12/curl-watch-out-petraeus-benghazi-scandal/?page=2#ixzz2TB8hHfMs
    Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

  • http://twitter.com/Ptab01 Patrick Brown

    Nice job there LJ- sadly though academics like Mr. Cole here seldom do anything but double down on their assertions & claim your ignorance is symptomatic of deeper prejudices. Unfortunately to really adjust Mr. Coles ( & his ilk ) thinking would require a high speed head trauma with a blunted instrument

    But we enjoy reading the civil approach so Carry On

  • http://twitter.com/kmbog kmbog

    Larry,

    Do think the instability that’s going on now in Libya has the blessing of the Obama administration to keep the media and investigators from converging on Libya?

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      No. It is a consequence of their idiotic embrace of the so-called “Arab Spring.” Hope ain’t a policy.

  • HARP2

    Hillary, Then and Now.

  • KenoshaMarge

    Judge Pirro gives it to Obama and Clinton and others

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=urkBqOoL3n4

    • DianaLC

      Saw this on television. She pulled no punches.

  • Dave L.

    The main stream media and the Whier House spin doctors at their finest. The Obama administration makes the Nixon White House look like amatures. When this administration is gone, Obama’s tenure in office will be known as America’s Dark Ages !

  • binky354

    Dennisns Kucinich on Fox News Sunday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0G2zwKCSxU -IRS

    Benghazi – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXPmpiDTnWY

    • KlugerRD

      I may not have agreed with Kucinich on most issues, but I always liked him because unlike 95% of elected officials he was always a principled person. I think he showed that on the show regarding the IRS scandal and the changing of the talking points on Benghazi.

    • DianaLC

      Kucinich hit the nail on the head regarding the IRS’s behavior. “The tone is set at the top.”

      Long ago when I was just a beginning teacher, my English education professor said that the key was always the school administration as to whether real education would be happening in the school. I saw it over and over throughout my career, often in the same building. A new principal could make the school a good environment for learning, or a bad principal could let education go by the wayside.

      You have to know that IRS top management winked and looked away.

      • Deapster

        The elected school board selects the top administrators.

        Don’t let voters off the hook. They select the board who in turn sets the tone for the CEO.

        • DianaLC

          I know you have something to say about everything. However, I worked in the largest school district in the state. In the same school over an eight-year period, I served under a terrible, lazy principal, an excellent female principal, and a mediocre young male principal (new to that position). The first was not there half the time. He was serving his last three years before retiring. He took it because the rules–set by the local NEA organization–meant that his retirement was based on the last three years of his career. So he took the larger salary and did nothing. Lots got out of hand–espcially with the bully athletes and the mean girl cheerleaders and pom squads. The female came in from an athletic director position, chosen by a committee of teachers. She straightened up that situation, put a real emphasis on education, but quit after a few years because of the pushback from lazy teachers and parents who just wanted passing grades without forcing their kids to study. The third was just so new to being an administrator that by the time I left, he had not yet learned the ropes.

          There were twenty high schools, twice as many middle schools, and so many elementary schools that I forget the number in that district.

          So don’t think the school board was involved in all those hirings. It was the superintentent, a woman who sincerely tried to put education above everything, but because her experience had mostly been in elementary schools, she sort of neglected the secondary schools.

          Now, does that answer your easy response? Yes, in small districts the school board has an influence. But the problem with small districts, as I remember from working in a few, is that the teacher’s union controls the vote in the town. And often the teacher’s union is not necessarily in line with what needs to be done to improve education.

  • Deapster

    From Your Dictionary: THE BIG LIE

    big lie, the

    a gross falsification or misrepresentation of the facts, with constant repetition and embellishment to lend credibility

    the propaganda technique, as in politics, of using this device

    • Deapster

      The constant repetition part of The Big Lie is what the Obama media loyalists are putting out these past few days – almost exactly the same words and format, just different by-lines:

      1. Nothing new from the hearings
      2. Just a partisan attack on Hilary Clinton 2016

  • Deapster

    Thanks to another helen2k find: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/05/damning-benghazi-timeline-spreadsheet.html

    The most interesting part of this developing timeline according to this source is the two hour gap between Hicks phone call declaring this was an organized terrorist attack and Hilary’s statement two hours later blaming the spontaneous demonstration video was the cause.

    See 9/11:

    —–8pm – Hicks phone call to Hilary stating organized terrorists were responsible

    —- 10pm – report of 3 dead Americans flying out of Benghazi and Hilary’s first statement, it was the video

    Nixon had his Rosemary Woods 17 minute gap. Obama and Clinton now have their 60 minute gap. Except now there is far more an electronic trail available, than trying to restore an erased tape back in the 1970′s.

  • buzzlatte3

    Obama’s world is unraveling by the minute – just go to Drudge…

    • TeakWoodKite

      …but this level and depth of BSBS while take years to unravels. BSBS- Barry Soetoro bull shit.

      • Deapster

        An ineffectual president on the defensive is as good as no president, if one wants to halt the damage he continues to inflict on this country.

    • Deapster

      All the writers on Drudge have really zeroed in on the key points, which ironically are the ones the trolls here kept trying to deflect. Some one is not drinking Obama’s kool-aid. A lot of them in fact.

      Interesting hint there will be “nuclear blowback” by end of the week Friday against the cover-up charge that the CIA did it.

      Interesting also, now that Petreaus has faced down his own personal worst, he is now a free agent. Maybe they cut him loose too soon.

  • buzzlatte3

    All this and the IRS says they decided all by themselves to target conservative groups – Oh, we should believe that as much as the last ten thousand lies from Emperor Putt’s band of charlatans and thieves. (rolling eyes)

    http://online.wsj.com

    • HARP2

      I6,000 New IRS agents to implement Obamacare.

      Wonderful.

    • S7teen70six

      From the article:

      On Sunday, a government official said the report will note that IRS officials told investigators that no one outside the IRS was involved in developing the criteria the agency now acknowledges were flawed.

      I wonder why they’re saying this?

      • buzzlatte3

        deny, dismiss, denigrate…it’s the Obama way!

      • jrterrier

        Sounds a lot like the WH only made one stylistic change to the Benghazi talking points.

    • binky354

      Dennis Kucinich Slams IRS’s ‘Political Targeting’
      of Tea Party & Patriot groups. I nearly feel out of
      my chair hearing Kucinich after listening among other tell us what we know, what we;ve heard, is really not what we know nor have we heard it correctly. I was impressed!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0G2zwKCSxU

      He also made non-partisian commenets about Benghazi which left me feeling he was more interested
      in the truth Tjam a wjotewas/

      • KenoshaMarge

        Thanks for the clip. I turned the television off as soon as I saw Juan Williams was on the panel. I simply will not watch that lying POS!

        I figured Williams and Kucinich would be hand in hand. I was wrong. I am glad to be wrong when it means that some politician shows guts and integrity. Such a rare event.

        • S7teen70six

          Strangely Williams came down hard on the IRS. Used the “N” (Nixon) word. He is still willfully blind on Benghazi.

          • DianaLC

            For a lib, Williams seems a little simple and innocuous. He’s a nice guy who is just so stupidly wrong a lot of the times.

          • KenoshaMarge

            Surprises me. Especially since Williams has been a constant denigater, and smearer, if there’s such a word, of anything Tea Party. He’s gone so far, many times, as to suggest they are racist. That’s when I began to loathe him. Nothing he’s said or done since has made me think better of him.

            • S7teen70six

              I’m not exactly what one might consider a “fan” of Williams either.

          • binky354

            It’s hard for me to listen to him when it comes to his closed mind on Benhgazi.

            • S7teen70six

              Yeah, his Obama ass kissing sickens me on occasion.

      • jrterrier

        The timing of the IRS revelation is really bad news for the President in general and as it regards Benghazi. I have not heard anyone anywhere defend it.

        And like Katrina, which opened up the floodgates for criticisms that Bush was an idiot, the IRS scandal is going to have people acknowledging and saying out loud that this Administration is incompetent & vile.

    • KenoshaMarge

      But those low-level folks at the IRS who went after Tea Party groups, on their own mind you, did not do it for political purposes. How stupid can you be to believe that bullshit?

  • Deapster

    Someone already neatly prepared the Wiki-wacky Benghazi timeline -today’s go to resource – it is noted upfront this timeline is disputed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_investigation_into_the_2012_Benghazi_attack

    The prepared time line ends with Clinton’s hearing before Congress -a screeching halt.

    Lots of planted scenarios included in this wiki timeline now proven false. Most likely crafted by the obots online. Anyone care to update this wiki timeline?

  • HARP2

    The media`s big problem.

    Who to defend…..Obama or Hillary ?

    They can`t do both once the facts start rolling out.

    • S7teen70six

      You know who is going to win that contest. The media had no problem going after Hillary on more than a few occasions. For some reason they can’t take their lips off from Obama’s ass long enough to say anything bad about the guy. I think they just like the taste of shit.

      • Deapster

        Hair of the dog.

    • KenoshaMarge

      I would guess that if they have to throw one of them under the bus it will be Hillary. After all they did it before when she dared run against their hero.

      • jrterrier

        I agree with you. And there is always that love-hate relationship with Hillary.

        • KenoshaMarge

          Exactly! I’m sure had Obama not come on the scene they would have supported Hillary as they support any liberal. But once there was a choice between her an a minority candidate she lost the majority of the MSM. Now if it’s a choice between throwing her or Obama under the bus, it will most assuredly be her IMO.
          Personally I think it’s both of them.

  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2
    • Deapster

      Powerful – needs to be appended to the wikipedia reference timeline. Thx for the find.

    • Deapster

      Key is the two hours between 8pm and 10pm on 9/11 when Hilary is informed by Hicks it is an organized terrorist attack, body count is now 3 and by 10pm Hilary is claiming it was because of the video.

      Zeroing in on that two hour time period would be most interesting.

      Who did she talk to, what positions did she develop to support the spontaneous demonstration video scenario and reject the Hick’s organized terrorist attack scenario in those intervening two hours.

  • Deapster

    Dems politicized Benghazi:

    1. Denied need for additional security in terrorist prone areas
    2. Fabricated video story to create safe from terror aura
    3. Exploited the memorial service to woo Muslim voters
    4. Secret press briefings demand partisan fealty
    5. Reign of intimidation inflicted on internal staff
    6. Bashing fact-finding hearings playing partisan politics
    7. Army of blogger trolls spewing out party-line points online

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Larry, How much do you think the Oborgs would pay for that video of you abusing a wheat-free Mother’s Day cake? Caught you on Geraldo, you’re looking pretty svelte, bro.

  • DianaLC

    I just came back to re-read Larry’s great response to Juan Cole. It occurred to me that maybe Mr. Cole needs to further his education. Larry wrote: “Look Juan, you are a typical academic. No real experience of having to actually protect people in a foreign environment. ” Since things seem to be heating up in Tripoli, why doesn’t somebody send Mr. Cole there to get some experience in protecting people in a foreign environment. Maybe his friends Obama and Hillary will help him.

  • HARP2

    Hillary already set the standard for criticizing the government.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      They cut out the last part of her speech where she said, “…except one that I am in.”

  • HELENK2
    • Deapster

      This is the new recurrent theme from the obots:

      The Administration admitted up front it was a terrorist attack. What is the problem? There was no cover-up.

      Proof: Just like he won the 2008 election ……… Obama gave a **speech** where he mentioned the words “terror” and “Benghazi” in the same paragraph.

      Just like he “voted against the war” in a **speech** delivered long before he was ever in an elected position to exercise his own recorded vote on the matter.

      • jrterrier

        I thought he had given a speech in favor of the was, which conveniently disappeared from his website once he started running for Pres.

  • Deapster

    Was Obama also misusing this event to exploit the US Muslim vote in his favor for his 2012 re-election?

    Is this why there was the Administration over-kill reaction to soap-box against the extremist video knowing US Muslims (voters) wanted nothing to do with the image of crazed militants out of control killing Americans?

    From the net – google US Muslim vote 2012:

    “There is no real way to tell how effective the Muslim vote was, but we can make assumptions based on statistics of high concentration of Muslims around the important battleground states.

    There are several states that were extremely important for Romney but he lost them. I believe that the Muslim vote played a major role in swinging the state for Obama against Romney in Virginia, Florida and Ohio.

    Let’s look at the results for each state and then the estimated Muslim population from “2010 U.S. Religion Census: Religious Congregations & Membership Study” in those states:……..”

  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2
    • Deapster

      The other political nugget for the Obama administration to mine in this video-sham cover-up story was the pending Muslim vote in the US for the upcoming 2012 elections.

      Administration false statements condemning the video could have also been used to buy good will among the US Muslim voters, who hate being characterized as violent, erratic nut cases who riot and kill Americans on whimsy and caprice.

      No wonder there was so much unnecessary grandstanding on this issue, even at state memorial services when it was terribly out of place but would be viewed by all those potential Muslim voters.

      As well as an Administration attempt to quell hatred that would possibly be directed towards US Muslims due to this violent tragedy in Libya.

      Were there swing states or swing districts with high concentration of US Muslim voters so this defense of Muslim voters was significant to of the Obama 2012 ground game?

  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2
    • Deapster

      All of this needs to be done under oath. Any reason why not, and why was Clinton given a pass – is this the standard Washington M.O.?

      So anyone in the White House now does not have to be sworn to tell the truth at any given point in their career, when allegedly carrying out the work of the people?

      Agree, there always needs to be a certain degree of executive level confidentiality and protection from political harassment among the co-equal branches of government.

      But when persons are making decisions for the people, and not just for themselves, particularly when they are making decisions in the heat of an election campaign, we the people must also be protected from them.

      Also did we not learn handing Bush a “war powers” blank check delegation and over-riding our constitutional checks and balances was something to never do again?

      • wylrae

        “So anyone in the White House now does not have to be sworn to tell the truth at any given point …”
        I think probably the thinking is, why bother swearing anyone in to tell the truth, since they know lying is totally acceptable as long as any lie does not top Obama’s lie.

      • jrterrier

        I think they usually don’t swear in cabinet members.

  • HELENK2

    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/12/abc-petraeus-called-final-benghazi-talking-points-useless-the-day-before-rices-full-ginsburg/

    Petraeus called final Benghazi talking points useless the day before rice went on tv and lied

    • Deapster

      At what point in time did Petreaus know he was getting black-balled over his extra-marital affair?

      (Besides the very first moment when he himself started it.)

      Oh what tangled webs we weave, when we first choose to deceive.

  • foxyladi14

    Happy mother’s day to everyone!

  • foxyladi14

    Amen

  • Deapster

    WHITE HOUSE MEDIA STRATEGY: DENY – DISMISS – DENIGRATE

    AP writer Charles Babington obviously drank the Kool-Aid dispensed at the secret White House press briefing on Benghazi. It helps to stand back a bit to see his formulaic approach that will now undergird the rewriting of the history of this event.

    1. Claims the incident was heavily politicized from the start and will be used a a wedge issue in coming elections.

    2. The administration earlier inquiry (Pickering) was sufficient and low-level functionaries found at fault have been dealt with.

    3. Conservative activists are trying to still feed a conspiracy theory for political gain, on their terms and their timing.

    4. Democrats claim voters won’t like Republicans exploiting Benghazi deaths.

    5. Conservatives are using this to make broadsides against 2016 front-runner Clinton.

    6. Issue is too complex for most voters to understand.

    7. The security breaches before, the transactions during and cover-up issues after are too confusing and don’t carry equal moral weight so concentration only on the White House cover-up loses moral weight.

    8. Republicans misusing this event for fund-raising and upcoming election value, because they are now the desperate party.

    9. Republicans are terrified Clinton will walk into the White House in 2016 and are pulling all stops to dirty this us to prevent this from happening.

    10. The Benghazi hearings are only an attempt to prevent Hilary Clinton from becoming President in 2016.

    11. Benghazi is no more politically useful than the attempts to make Fast and Furious an anti-administration scandal.

    12. Repubicans are trying to concoct some hidden mystery, when in fact the President already called it an “act of terror”.

    13. The topic will only remain “white-hot” among conservative talk shows.

    • KenoshaMarge

      That is also an old Clintonian tactic from way back. Back when I was a Dem I refused to see it. Now…

    • HARP2

      But I thought the dems said never let a disaster go to waste.

      Well…….Rahm

  • HELENK2
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  • jrterrier

    Even Maureen Dowd is critical of the Benghazi fiasco, even as she throws in some zingers against the REPs:

    “The administration’s behavior before and during the attack in Benghazi, in which four Americans died, was unworthy of the greatest power on earth.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/12/opinion/sunday/dowd-when-myths-collide-in-the-capital.html?_r=0

  • Barb Bf

    From Glen Ford.BlackAgendaReport:

    “Barack Obama
    and Hillary Clinton appeared like ghoulish despots at a
    Roman Coliseum, reveling in their Libyan gladiators’
    butchery.”

    Last week the whole world saw, and every decent soul recoiled, at the true face of NATO’s answer to the Arab Spring. An elderly, helpless prisoner struggled to maintain his dignity in a screaming swirl of savages, one of whom thrusts a knife [4] up his rectum. These are Europe and America’s jihadis in the flesh.

    Nearly eight months of incessant bombing by the air forces of nations that account for 70 percent of the world’s weapons spending, all culminating in the gang-bang slaughter of Moammar Gaddafi, his son Mutassim and his military chief of staff, outside Sirte. The NATO-armed bands then displayed the battered corpses for days in Misurata – the city that had earlier made good on its vow
    to “purge Black skin” through the massacre and dispersal of 30,000 darker residents of nearby Tawurgha – before disposing of the bodies in an unknown location.

  • S7teen70six

    I do so enjoy watching a true believer apologist get ripped to shreds.

  • Deapster

    Thank you. It will like be pushing back the sea. Without insider knowledge or the deep resources of those who want the cover-up to continue, one feels utter hopelessness reading this administration-friendly revision of history. Thank you for taking the time to rebut it detail by detail.

  • DianaLC

    So there, Juan Cole!

    Thanks, Larry! Great response.

  • no_longer_a_democrat

    Happy mother’s day to everyone!

    and Mr. Johnson, thank you very much for these posts, more information explained in a logical way here than I ever get on any liberal Obot crappy MSM!

  • S7teen70six

    Happy Mother’s Day everyone!

  • http://twitter.com/Ptab01 Patrick Brown

    Sorry to see NQ is STILL under siege by the Brainwashed Progs of The Obama reign of Terror… I feel for y’all
    Happy Momma’s Day ladies

  • http://twitter.com/TheObamaFile The Obama File

    Acknowledging the existence of Juan Cole is a waste of time.

    • Dbb3

      Larry used to blogroll Cole (Media Matters as well) before he tossed Joe and Valerie Wilson under the bus and made Karl Rove and Victoria Toensing his BFFs.

      • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

        You are so full of shit. I have not tossed Joe and Valerie under any bus and defend them to this day. Fuck you.

        • DianaLC

          Dbb3 obviously has a reading comprehension problem. He/;She/It comes here to leave messages but never to really read what is written.

      • Popsmoke

        Tossed the Wilsons? What a cheap false shot that is…. Boy digging into the bottom of that barrel aren’t you? By the way, tell me about the Annex….

  • HARP2

    A shout out to all the great gals on this site on Mother`s Day.

    Enjoy your day.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLkZAUIpkNA

    • DianaLC

      Thanks, HARP2!

      My older son sent me a copy of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich for my Mother’s Day gift. He called to apologize because he realized that a book with a clear swastika on the front was probably something that could cause me to wonder.

      But I knew him. He is reading it and wants someone else to read too so he can discuss it.

  • KenoshaMarge

    Everything points to a deliberate attempt to deceive. And the Democrat talking points about the GOP “playing politics” is so hypocritical it is laughable.

    Politicians, from either party, playing politics? Say it isn’t so!

  • HARP2

    I love how trolls come on this site and constantly prove their complete and utter stupidity on a variety of topics.

    • Dbb3

      And I love that rabid howler monkey NQbots jump to Larry’s defense like he’s a fragile flower when he is quite capable of taking care of himself

      • HARP2

        You are like a case of “crabs”. You bring nothing to the party but a bad itch.

        But hey……that`s the democrat party these days…….bitch and itch.

      • Popsmoke

        Tell me about the Annex…..

        • TeakWoodKite

          Yes yes, please do tell! Inquiring minds want to know.

        • jrterrier

          Stop the teasing, Popsmoke. What do you know? Just tell us about the Annex.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Hey silly obot. As rabid as you say I am, please inform us why the White House took to running it’s “own” gun running operations in contravention to US law? Or do you say supplying Jihadists and drug cartels with weaponry is a winning hand ,when as a direct consequence of those illegal actions Americans are dead?
        … at a minimum negligent homicide, which is what Obama and Hillary should be charged with for starters.
        Not that you have any balls to even state the obvious. Next you will tell us it’s someone’s fault.
        Are you calling Larry out or something as if anything you say is even based in fact?

    • KenoshaMarge

      They have to do something to prove to themselves, if no one else, that they are somehow relevant to a conversation.

      All they succeed in proving is that they are assholes. Prove it quite well actually so perhaps there is some competence in their makeup after all.

    • Deapster

      The trolls marching orders: DENY – DISMISS – DENIGRATE.

      File each of their comments under any or all of the above.

    • foxyladi14

      must get paid good by OFA

      • Deapster

        Look up AVAAZ – the media savvy counter-punch group with a ready army of trolls for partisan hire. And look who is paying them. They were even doing business in Libya and Syria starting in 2011.

  • Dbb3

    Hey Larry, maybe the Whitey Tape is real and was in Al Capone’s secret vault all along.

    • Popsmoke

      Well the Annex is not in Capone’s vault…. So hotshot lets see you smoke this issue?

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Is that really the best you can do? Pathetic. You are intellectually dishonest. I have written repeatedly that the first source of that info came via David Brock, of Media Matters. Since he shares your ideological persuasion, I encourage you to take up the Whitey Tape with him.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Oh yes, one other thing, I was used by the Hillary campaign in that effort. The info was fed to me by her campaign and Brock was the messenger. But I will wait to drop that bomb. I want to ensure it does the maximum damage. Best of all, I have the emails and phone records to prove it.

      • DianaLC

        Great!!!!! I can’t wait!

        • TeakWoodKite

          I love a good story…

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    I can’t help but wonder how long it will take for the Annex program to be fully disclosed. And when it is, what will the judgment of the American people be? Was it worth four lives? Was it worth lying about?

    • DianaLC

      If it is discovered, they will have to realize that the major reason that O tried so desperately to hide it is right here:

      “The reason some of the Syrian revolutionaries complain so bitterly is that the US role in supplying weapons and fighters has been clandestine. But clandestine in a way akin to Iran Contra. Rather than sign a Presidential Finding and brief Congress, the White House and Hillary opted to back a secret program outside of the traditional intelligence channels. It was funded by the Saudis and Qataris.”

      As my memory serves me—-Obambi was keeping his distance from Syria at the time, hands clean and all. Liar, Liar, Pant on Fire!

    • stodghie

      yes and i hope they tie it up fast and furious for a pattern of behavior.

    • TeakWoodKite

      If supplying .50′s to drug cartels is any indication, then it is worth lying about if your Obama, being that alternative is impeachment. And it was not worth any American blood now staining Barry’s hand. I am just wondering which cleaner Barry uses.