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No Dick, Unlike You, Snowden Ain’t a Traitor

If Dick Cheney is looking for traitors, I suggest he take a look in the mirror. The audacity of his chutzpah is unsurpassed. One does not need a well-honed sense of irony to appreciate the weirdness of Cheney–the man who went on a rampage against an authentic, genuine undercover CIA officer in charge of covert operations against Iraq while we were at war with Iraq–pontificating about the treachery of Edward Snowden.

The more I examine the substance of the so-called “leaks” by Snowden, the only real damage he did was to blow the whistle on the obvious. He did not reveal a capability unknown to our enemies. Seriously. Do you think our adversaries believed that we were incapable of intercepting their phone calls and computer messages? Nope. The only ones in the dark were (and are) the American people. We really did not want to believe that our Government was invading our privacy.

Snowden’s sin was to challenge the Washingoton establishment.

His revelations really did not expose any technological capability that your average tekkie does not already know is within the realm of possibility. For example, your cell phone, even if turned off, can be used as a listening device. Twenty years ago, spies had to send covert teams into a target’s house if they wanted to hear what was going on. Not today. Same vulnerability exists with WiFi computers.

What could Snowden have revealed that would have been really damaging? He could have identified where all of our drone bases are located. He could have revealed all of the technical specs about drones. You know–speed flight, altitude and communications links. That kind of information would do harm.

He could have exposed the identity of an undercover CIA officer, but he didn’t. Nope. That’s the shit that Dick Cheney did. Cheney, who became rich because of his Washington insider status and his willingness to play the revolving door between the public and private sector, is a poster boy for all that is wrong with Washington. Edward Snowden? Perhaps he is a true patriot.

One thing I know for certain. Telling Americans that their Government is violating the Fourth Amendment is not being a traitor. Snowden is innocent on that count.

  • xiaojia

    tinyurl.com/l3cselt

  • bbf

    Larry said:

    If Dick Cheney is looking for traitors, I suggest he take a look in the mirror.

    I TOTALLY AGREE!

  • baotingshu

    tinyurl.com/l3cselt gfhghd

  • MJUdall

    Saw Michelle Bachmann calling him a traitor on Cavuto. What a disappointment.

    • bbf

      I was also very disappointed in her. I tried to send an e-mail to her office..but since I did not have the right zip code..I was rejected. Strange that she/her staff had no problems sending ME e-mails asking for contributions..over and over and over and over!!

  • HELENK2

    http://freebeacon.com/sen-corker-places-hold-on-funding-to-afghanistan/

    are some in congress finally getting some guts?????
    Sen Corker places hold on funding to Afghanistan

  • wellbeing

    Larry, Donald Rumsfeld was on one of the Sunday talk shows. Rumsfeld said, (pare phrasing), “Snowden didn’t say anything that we didn’t already know about NSA. It was reported in some magazine in 2006.” He said, “We should just let it go”. What I find ironic is that the news media is only reporting what Chaney said and not anything about what Rumsfeld said.

    • KenoshaMarge

      That’s because Cheney is the man they most like to hate. Lord knows I loathe him and could care less what he has to say. Not a fan of Rumsfeld but never did feel he was the devil incarnate as the media and the libs tried to make him out to be.

  • HELENK2
    • S7teen70six

      Putin looks as if he knows he is about to go to war with these knuckleheads.

  • HELENK2
    • Deapster

      How about plagiarism?

      • KenoshaMarge

        Is that a War Crime?

        • Deapster

          Brilliant.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/14dc1b13fa/sexy-nsa-commercial-with-sasha-grey

    NSA commercial with Sasha Grey.

    stolen from a commenter at the crawdad hole

    • S7teen70six

      Thanks. That really is hilarious. I’m still laughing.

  • HELENK2

    off topic a little bit
    backtrack really does think the at the American people are like the obots and the owies. not smart enough to see what is in front of them.
    according to his thinking we are not smart enough to understand the Syrian situation. We are not smart enough to know the NSA spying reasons. We are just not as smart as him.
    If the backtrack bunch keep getting their with the media and the educational systems in this country many will not be smart enough to know what hit them when the freedom of this country is gone

    • Deapster

      His reception in Berin might be a wake-up call. Signs showing MLK “I have a dream”, on top of Obama’s mug saying “I have a drone”

      • HELENK2

        Deapster
        those two down votes were me trying to vote up and a computer glitch going to the wrong place/ tried 3 times to vote up

      • KenoshaMarge

        Ow, that’s gotta sting!

        • Deapster

          How about I have a drone and will give you an Obamaphone.

  • S7teen70six

    I’ve been listening to the House Intelligence Committee hearing on the Snowden revelations. Most of the right things are being said but Chairman Rogers is steering it in a manner that makes me suspect they are all hiding something.

    • KenoshaMarge

      I think they are hiding something. And I don’t trust Rogers as far as I could throw him!

  • beyond partisan

    Responses from Snowden on many questions, including why he went to Hong Kong. Seriously, can’t imagine how people can read this and think the guy is some sort of double agent: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower

  • beyond partisan

    It’s clear to me from reading these comments that a lot of people are being swayed by the little voices in the mainstream media and politicians like Cheney who are whispering “Don’t trust Snowden…he went to China…he’s helping our enemies…he’s a traitor.” And that’s truly sad to me. I’m not saying we need to put the guy up on a pedestal but I frankly expect more from the crowd here. I don’t even care if Snowden is wanting to get a pay-off for his information, we need to keep our eyes on the ball here. Snowden is OUTING Obama and his oppressive regime and it is WORKING. Obama’s polling has dropped almost 20 points, particularly among young people and blacks as well, since Snowden came out with his information. This hemming and hawing over whether or not we should trust Snowden is a waste of energy. Let’s focus on the real target, which is the Obama administration, please.

    • S7teen70six

      The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

      • KenoshaMarge

        True dat!

  • KlugerRD

    Conor Friedersdorf of The Atlantic had two good pieces:

    He showed that Obama and Cheney share similar leadership traits, although Obama is the decider and Cheney the adviser:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/06/the-leadership-trait-that-barack-obama-and-dick-cheney-share/276916/

    And three NSA whistleblowers praising Snowden:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/06/3-former-nsa-employees-praise-edward-snowden-corroborate-key-claims/276964/

    On the issue of “treason” Article 3 Section 3 of the Constitution defines it as either “levying war” against the United States or “adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.” I do not see where Snowden did either. He may have broken other laws such as espionage but to date there is zero evidence of treason.

    However, an argument could be made that Obama and McRino are seeking to commit treason by arming many of the rebels in Syria who are allied with Al Qaeda who is our enemy.

    • S7teen70six

      I couldn’t agree with your last paragraph more.

    • Deapster

      If we have a (1) declared war on terror and Obama is (2) aiding terrorists with a long history of committing (3) harm against the US by giving them arms in Syria, I am sure they find this a (4) comfortable arrangement.

      Prima facie case made. Case on treason closed. Impeach Obama and take George Soros out the back door to the scrap heap with him.

      • S7teen70six

        That would make crazy uncle Joe the President. Not exactly a step forward.

        • Deapster

          Not a step backwards either. I’d take crazy Joe any day over Obamination. We get rid of the Soros Sisters surrouding Obama at the same time. A two-fur.

  • S7teen70six

    As I was reminded yesterday, I am cynical. While I appreciate what Snowden has revealed about our government’s abuses I am not quite ready to call the guy a patriot or hero. Many people say one thing to gain your confidence and then do quite another once it is gained. Some guy named Barry and some dudette named Hillary come to mind. As well as many others.

    Dick Cheney? I didn’t like the guy at all when I was a Democrat and I don’t like him now that I am an Independent. But isn’t it funny that Cheney, Obama, Pelosi, Boehner, Durbin and Feinstein are all in agreement on anything? It only emphasizes how out of touch our government is and how dangerous it has become.

    • Deapster

      Leadership abhors a vacuum. Anyone can slip into that slot when the top guy is MIA. Pugnacity often passes for leadership when there is a void and no one is really paying attention.

  • DianaLC

    Damn, Larry, why can’t you be one of the talking heads to “question” these self-important a@#holes on the TEE VEE?

    I am so sick of others thinking they have cornered the definition of patriotism.

    I’m having a hard time following any news because everything seems to be FUBAR. No one can even begin to figure out where to start to fix it.

  • HARP2

    Methinks the clods in DC are complaining too much. Makes an old fart like me wonder just what Snowden found out about the whole old boys club in Washington.

    First they say he has done great damage to out security and next they are calling him a liar. It can`t be both.

    They sound like 5th graders to me.

    smoke…fire…smoke…fire.

    • Deapster

      Yes, the louder the howls, the more off-topic the replies, and the more they become ad hominum attacks rather than substantive rebuttals, there is fire behind the diversionary smokescreen.

      Only reason to kill the messenger is because you don’t like the message. Otherwise, it would just get a big yawn.

  • KenoshaMarge

    I haven’t quite made up my mind on Snowden.

    I made up my mind on Cheney a long time ago.

    I think Cheney would fit right in at the Obama White House. He would do or say or out anyone or anything to “win” politically which means for power. So, IMO, would Obama and the cadre of Chicago thugs he surrounds himself with.

    The Republicans need for Cheney to go away and STFU! He makes anything they have to say about Obama completely hypocritical.

    Not that hypocrisy in politics is anything unusual. It’s SOP in politics and with the media.

    • S7teen70six

      If there was a Throwing Under the Bus contest between Obama and Cheney who do you think would win?

      I agree that Cheney needs to go away. As should Gingrich, Rove and Bolton. That people associate these fools with the Republican party and Conservatives is the reason why Obama is now in office. They are as effective at recruiting new members as nominating Todd Akin to be the Director of Health and Human Services.

      • KenoshaMarge

        Gingrich and Rove certainly need to just STFU. They do far more damage than any good. Bolton? Not sure if he’s as bad as the left managed to paint him.

        Todd Akin is another of the conservative buffoons who cannot open his mouth without damaging his party. Were it not for him and his stupidity idiot McCaskill wouldn’t have gotten another term to kiss Obama ass.

        Funny how when a clown like Todd Akin runs his mouth the right is always tarred with his moronic remarks but when someone on the left says something just as egregious, they either misspoke or excuses are made.

        Current case in point: Scumbag Bill Maher going after Trig Palin and Barbara Walters and Whoopi Goldberg rushing to his rescue.

        If a Republican had attacked a “mentally challenged” child the fauxrage dance on the left would be a marathon.

        Attack the mentally challenged son of a conservative woman and all is well. Fucking hypocrites!

        • S7teen70six

          I really wonder about the Republican leadership. Reince Priebus claims that they are trying to move the party into the current century yet the party itself still seems to operate as if the abacus was the latest technology.

          As much as I despise the analogy, Bill Clinton had a rapid response war room to deal with crap like this from the lunatic left. The Republicans need to start acting like adults and hit back hard every single time this crap happens. Their track record doesn’t exactly comfort me as the Dims have effectively painted them for a long while now.

          • KenoshaMarge

            I believe that there is a “war” going on in the Republican Party. You have the old bulls and the young Turks. Except it’s not that easy. Rubio is aligned with the old bulls and most of the “leadership” seems scared to death of the future of their party, which I think is Cruz and Paul.

            They are their own worst enemies. The only thing they have going for them is the way the left is now mired in scandal and controversy. And while the GOP doesn’t seem to have a leader, the left doesn’t have much of a leader either.

            • Deapster

              The younger members of the population who are disaffected with the union-pandering Democrats and yet have no real political home will have the final say in where the nations politics and the old guard Republicans will go.

              Yes, I also see this as the old bulls last charge, much like the drunken Russian generals trapped in the Kremlin during the fall of communism.

              Toasting to each others success and valor as they slipped into a stupor under the table. Failing totally to fend off their enemies at the door.

              Nicely staying out of this fray is Bobby Jindal – I still put my money on him as he quietly builds his own reputation for integrity, effectiveness and conservatism in Louisiana.

              Let the two extremes battle it out and exhaust themselves. The independent votes are out there, ready to get harvested even if they don’t have a formal political affiliation yet.

      • Deapster

        Throw Obama under the bus – he is younger and can cause even more damage. Grim Reaper is already on Cheney’s case.

  • Fred82

    I don’t know Larry.

    I think the jury is still out on Snowden. The US government has overstepped its bounds and the American education system is not churning out folks that value liberty and/or individual rights.

    That said, the fleeing to China is suspect IMHO. If Snowden takes asylum from China, he is a hypocrite and a possible traitor.

    • binky354

      Fleeing this country was a necessity in his thinking if he wanted to get his message out and have a chance of staying alive. He gave us his reasons for his Hong Kong choice. I think he’s a brave, sincere American doing what he thinks is right.

    • elizabethrc

      Maybe a new administration will see the benefits to all of in requiring our schools to teach American history as it really was. Maybe if they spent less time teaching ‘diversity’ courses and other politically correct courses which have a particular political ideology behind them, our students would learn what it is to be an American.
      Maybe it should be against the law to bring politics into our schools at all.
      Finally, maybe teachers and administrators who set up courses pushing their own bias should be summarily fired.
      Just a thought!

      • S7teen70six

        The problem is that they are not bringing Critical Thinking into the classroom. They teach Biased Thinking. Or shut up and believe what I say, no thinking required.

        • HELENK2

          indoctrination not education

          • Deapster

            Get rid of all teacher union endorsed school board candidates, or else nothing will change. Think globally; act locally. If you can’t change your own local school boards, you will never change this nation.

          • S7teen70six

            When I went to college I was required to be able to argue either side of an issue with equal proficiency if I wanted a decent grade. I don’t see teachers teaching students how to think any longer. So yes, it’s indoctrination. And the few students that do buck the system and challenge their lesson plans are shouted down and bullied by the unions and their liberal overseers.

            • Deapster

              When you went to school the faculty was not 99% in the tank for the teacher unions and the Democratic Party.

              • S7teen70six

                I don’t know about that. Most of my professors were very liberal and just seemed to care about educating me. Or maybe I was just lucky.

        • Deapster

          Critical thinking is not really something that can be taught before you get the basic tools to evaluate information. Kids are getting socialist propaganda instead.

          They need diversity of ideas, after they get some independent basics long before they can ever be exposed to critical thinking..which often is a later in life skill; not a book learning exercise thrown at immature minds.

          Kids today are getting indoctrinated with emotional imagery which stays solidly implanted so there is only emotional distress when they face contradiction later on in “real” life.

          Hence they drop out and smoke dope instead of grapple with life’s school of hard knocks, which is where real critical thinking learning finally takes place.

          • S7teen70six

            Children have parents, at least most of them do. Parents have the ability, if not the responsibility, to teach their children right from wrong. They should also keep track of the indoctrination being forced upon their children in these school systems. As much as I despise the teachers unions I have to place some of the blame, if not a substantial part of it, on the parents.

            • Deapster

              Their parents are too busy smoking dope to care — at least out here on the Left Coast. Think of the generation that is raising (or not raising) this current generation of students.

              • KenoshaMarge

                You mean the Hippy-Dips then and now?

      • Deapster

        The amount of time teaching environmental hysteria and ersatz global stewardship in our schools today is shocking. It infects every single school discipline and student work product. Children “know” polar bears are dying on ice flows but they don’t know what is happening in Washington DC at their expense.

      • KenoshaMarge

        I agree with all you say. Our educational system sucks. Diversity? How about diversity of thought? How about teaching how to think instead of what to think? I’d vote for that!

    • beyond partisan

      You can read for yourself what he said about going to HONG KONG, which is *not* the same thing as mainland China:

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower

      • Deapster

        Exactly. Hong Kong is still very different from mainland China, though Shanghai is pretty remarkable today as well, as a western outpost in Asia.

        HongKong remains fiercely independent and knows its UK heritage makes it the one true asian amalgam state, and not a mere West-facing outward extension of the former communist China.

  • chrissy

    No one at this time knows exactly what info Snowden has in his possession.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Larry, the best that I can say about Snoden is that the jury is still out. Decorum prevents me from saying the best that I can say about former VP Cheney.

  • HELENK2

    which one followed our founding father’s teaching?
    I pledge my life, my fortune and my sacred honor.
    do not think it was Dick Cheney

    the main thing I worry about is him being in Hong Kong. the chinese or the russians could grab and hold and get info from him even with him being unwilling to share