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Theft by Government via Politics

Are we all Greeks?

Let’s change the subject for a moment to the immigration bill.

Last year some idiots in the Greek government offered a proposal that would solve their nations debt to the world. Take 10% of every Greek depositor’s bank account and give it to the bankers in Europe that wanted Greece to pay off their national debt quickly.

Some of the people – shall we say all of the people – did not like that idea and took to the streets.

What will be discussed here will be broadly considered by the right as weak and by the left as a hellatious attack on a good bill. But good bills go bad with bad riders.

In the new immigration bill, passed by the Senate, there is a clause:

If you come forward as an immigrant that did not follow the rules of how you got here then all of your social security benefits you earned are lost and forfeited.

Have you thought about this? No. You have not thought about it because you have not heard about it.

It is a provision to help pay for the bill. Part of the fence will be paid for by the Social Security contributions made by immigrants into the Social Security account. Sort of like the mandates in the health care bill will pay for the bill. This will make the Congressional Accountability Office happy by offering a way to pay for this legislation.

This provision is not fair and will not stand.

Social Security deductions from anyone’s’ paycheck are taken from the worker and put into an account that is called their “personal” savings account. The SS account is a national bank and is supposed to protect the depositors. Do go ahead and look up the original bill that created Social Security. The money belongs to the worker. It says nothing about the status of the worker, just that all registered workers will be subject to the mandatory savings withdrawal from their pay.

Do not think about this. A person that came here from another country after WWII or the Korean war with a soldier will lose 30 to 50 years of savings. Do not think about this. If the government can take one’s personal savings account then they can take anything from you.

In post-war America all children brought to this country by service members were granted a SS card, so that the government could collect money from their work, but not given immediate citizen status. There are millions of people in this class. Some became citizens. Many live amuog us not knowing they are “illegal.” Many own large corporations and they, collectively, employ millions of people in the US.

Do not think about this.

If the government can do this then they can take all your tax returns and retirement money if you do not give up your gun, when they declare guns illegal. They can take your house if someday they think it is too big for your use. They can take your land if they think you are growing food that you should buy from the commercial industries that keep government funded. They can do anything. Or.. can they?

Who is they? Who is the government? Most of them are not corrupted, just blind. But you should think and believe that you should always ask questions.

This immigration bill, like the health care bill, is not one that we should wait until it is passed until we read what is in it.

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  • HELENK2
    • Deapster

      Excellent find. Hope it goes viral. Too bad they didn’t use a more up to date photo of Trayvon Martin, the one with the curled pot smoke going up his nose or the one with the gun.

  • HELENK2
    • binky354

      I don’t know how I couldn’t be any sicker over what has happened in America. Race relations are worse now than I can remember. There’s so much hate being spewed. I’ve found my attitude becoming negative and distrustful toward blacks when it never was before. I went to an integrated college with the motto “God has made of one blood all nations of men.” I always taught in integrated schools. I raised my children to judge by character, not color. Sometimes I wonder if I’ve put them at a disadvantage or in danger by having instilled these ideals. I’m starting to feel hate toward certain public figures. I don’t like how we’re being divided and it worries me.

      Via Andrea Shea King:

      http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/what_the_media_choose_not_to_know_about_trayvon.html#ixzz2ZYH0MO1r

      “NOTE the date this was written — it’s been more than a year ago. Have you heard anything about
      this on your favorite news channel? No? Wonder why??? And yet the media give race mongers like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and a slew of others connected to the NAACP and the Florida State Atty’s office as much air time and exposure as they want to spew their malignant racism. All for what? Ratings. ALSO, just out — Bill Whittle’s latest video opinion piece, “The Lynching” updates us on the facts every major news organization is sitting on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls#at=35

    • Deapster

      We are starting to have that frank conversation about race. Looks like it will be as friendly and productive as an Arab-Isreali confab. But at least it is starting.

      Quite frankly too many self-hating whites have skewed the conversation bending over backwards with their beatific piety towards blacks, as much as the blacks themselves have been too wedded to perpetual victimhood.

      Remind me again what life is like in Liberia? Don’t blame slavery. Blame your ancestors for not taking those free tickets back to Africa. Because once your ancestors made the choice to stay in America, they dropped all chance to pass on the slavery card. Done.

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  • Deapster

    My first encounter with real racist hatred was after moving to Wash DC during the Watergate years.

    I remember visiting the snack bar at the Wash DC zoo and being treated with the deepest, darkest hostile contempt by the young A-A counter people when we were handed our order, after what we thought was a perfectly normal transaction.

    That is when this naive Californian Anglo realized there was a very different America out there east of the Mississippi River.

  • Deapster

    Was Obama racist when he refused to let his daughters attend DC public schools?

  • chrissy

    Swell, the president opened his mouth again. Now I have to call my relatives abroad and apologize for him once again. My long distance bill is HUGE!

  • Anthony_1

    Hmm… Maybe he’s on to something after all….

    • binky354

      Travon was you.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/michigan-judge-rules-detroits-bankruptcy-is-unconstitutional-it-dishonors-obama/

    michigan judge rules detroits bankruptcy is unconstitutional it dishonors backtrack

    the government both state and federal is getting sicker by the day

    • HARP2

      I just read that.
      I can die now cause I`ve seen everything……comin Lord !!

      • Deapster

        The good news is this may be speedier track to getting an appeals court ruling and perhaps even a US Supreme Court ruling on all these under-funded pesky public pension issues that are clogging up the works all over the place right now.

        if there is no money, who pays off all the unfunded public pension promises? How does this differ from the 2008 banking bailout for their misdeeds?

        Will Howdy Doody actually have to be sold?

        Damn public employee unions. Should have listened to FDR.

    • Deapster

      One can only drool at the gorgeous homes and give away prices one finds on Trulia when they look up Detroit’s Grosse Pointe Farms or Univ/Woodward Ave neighborhoods. In every crisis, there is an opportunity.

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  • HELENK2

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/07/obama_quietly_institutes_mandatory_hiv_testing.html

    well it is Friday the day that the news is dumped hoping no one will notice

    • S7teen70six

      I’m not opposed to being tested. In fact I think it’s a good idea to be tested. But a President does not have the legal authority to demand that everyone be tested. So I’ll ignore his attempts at playing Emperor like I always do.

      How about we the people demand that he (and every other member of OUR government) be tested for alcohol and drug abuse, sexually transmitted diseases, genetic disorders and mental illness and IQ just for starters?

      • HELENK2

        sounds good to me.

      • harvey

        How about investigating his attempt at inciting riots along with Sharpton, Jackson, ET AL. How about charging him with treason as CIC for neglecting and possibly inviting the attack on the American embassy in Benghazi? Who in their lifetime has ever heard a president of the USA apologize for the actions of protecting our national interest and our allies. How can the CIC of the Armed Forces bear to apologize for the troops he is in charge of? Disgraceful SOB!

        • S7teen70six

          I’m fairly certain that I’ve publicly supported each point of your proposals. And agree with you completely.

      • binky354

        Especially for mental illness.

    • http://lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com/ Canaan

      It’s not clear from that Reuters article that this is mandatory HIV testing. More likely it’s what we’ve already debated in NY state — ‘routine’ or ‘universal’ testing, meaning doctors offer consensual HIV tests to all patients, not just patients in high risk groups. Consent is still required, patients can refuse, just like you can refuse a blood pressure test if you really want to, but standard medical practice would be for doctors to test patients routinely, not selectively.

      That’s how I read the language “all 15 to 65 year olds be screened for HIV infection.” We’ve convinced most policymakers that mandatory testing would guarantee many asymptomatic high-risk patients would avoid healthcare. I think that AT “mandatory” headline is uninformed.

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    • KlugerRD

      Zero until he became a community organizer.

      • HELENK2

        so he helped with get out the vote. did he ever really do anything for the people of Chicago to make their lives better?

        • KlugerRD

          Zero. In fact, as President he has turned his back on them completely.

          • Deapster

            The toxic mix left in the ghettos after the middle class blacks left them behind, is a tough crowd to fix. Except when they finally want to do it themselves.

        • S7teen70six

          About as much good as Valerie Jarrett did. Sleazy slumlord Rezko lovin Valerie.

          • Deapster

            Great minds ….. and all that ……. ditto.

        • harvey

          Thats a joke. He creates a national crisis over some guy who wears a hood over his head (face at night) in a gated residence and gets shot but ignores a boat load of drive-by-shootings in the black hoods of South Side Chicago, his district as a state legislator.

          If that isn’t the epitome of hypocrisy what the H… is?

        • Deapster

          ValJar allegedly was one of the biggest slum lords on the public dime in all of Chicago, before she got tapped to run the country.

    • harvey

      Not many, else he would not have lived as long as he did. Gangstas are cowards who pick and choose who they will terrorize. This time he made the wrong choice.

    • S7teen70six

      Obama claims that 35 years ago he could have been his own son, if he had one. I’ve heard about being one’s own grandpa but this takes the cake. I always knew he was a sick fuck.

    • Deapster

      The Choom Gang? Probably didn’t go to Punahoe.

      Don’t think his daughters are meeting anyone like him at Sidwell Friends, though had Obama supported DC neighborhood schools and sent his own daughters there, they might have.

    • Deapster

      1. Obama grew up in an elite ex-pat, diplomatic area of Jakarta going to a private school.

      2. Obama later went to a prestigious prep high school in Hawaii.

      3. First years of college spent at a prestigious small private college in California.

      4. Second half spent in the Ivy League.

      5. Law school at the creme de la creme Harvard.

      6. Obama did however learn to drop his “g’s” when speakin’ to the home boys, and talk up a good sweet potato pie when he wants to wink at the ladies.

      7. Obama does flip the bird quite surreptitiously when he is speaking out of both sides of his mouth, so he did learn street talk somewhere. Maybe in bull sessions while on the Harvard Law Review with all those like-minded Leftie swells?

  • HELENK2

    per backtrack if you lock your car door you must be racist
    this fool really is pushing for race riots

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/barack-obama-if-you-lock-your-car-doors-you-must-be-racist/

    • HELENK2

      http://weaselzippers.us/2013/07/19/al-sharpton-praises-obamas-trayvon-martin-remarks/

      why is this not a surprise?
      sharpton praises backtrack’s remarks
      shall we alll start singing

      “they’re two of a kind”

      • S7teen70six

        I’m pretty sure that’s a racist song.

    • harvey

      I lock all my car doors and doors to my house and storage shed at night and sleep with a claw hammer under my pillow. Thats the only way to go– Improvise, adapt, and overcome :( .

    • S7teen70six

      If we lock our doors and windows we must be racist because we are making the thugs commit a crime to get what they want.

    • sandylouwho

      I always check to see if my car doors are locked, no matter who I pass on the street…and lock them if I am on a corner and a person of any sex or any race is standing there, including a typical white woman. It makes me sad that the president makes it sound like that this happens to the black community exclusively.

      Nor do open my front door to anybody I don’t recognize, and it’s mostly white strangers that knock on it. I have NEVER held my breath on an elevator and tried to get off if I saw a black man enter. And as an average middle class white woman I have been followed in a department store a number of times. Sure it makes me uncomfortable to think they are suspicious of me, but it happens.

      • DianaLC

        What bothers me it that all of us in the more rural areas of the country cannot relate to some of this paranoia. It is a different time from when I was young, but I do remember a time when we didn’t lock doors. We knew almost everyone in town. We knew which kids needed to be watched, but then we would simply intervene and usually talk with them.

        Now, of course, the are has become more populated. But I have never had the feeling of being followed or in danger on any street I’ve walked, I have never had the feeling of being afraid in a parking lot.

        It makes me very sad that I now must be blamed in some way for the death of this young man, whose parents may not have known really much about what he was doing. Maybe they’ve been forced to see some of his text messages. Maybe they now know about his fighting. Maybe they now know a little about “Lean” and Purple Drank, etc. In any case, I know that as a parent of a seventeen year-old, I would NOT have approved the walk in the rain a mile away for a drink and Skittles. There are other things to eat and drink I hope in the house. If it was necessary, I would have given the ride. This is absolutely crazy the way things are being rationalized as totally everyone else’s fault and not at all a big problem with the black community itself.

      • Deapster

        All the creepy vagrants, bums and panhandlers on our downtown streets are white, and they scare shoppers from even coming down town any longer.

        Does the white fear of white vagrants make someone racist?

    • Deapster

      Begs the question: do whites instinctively fear blacks because the whites are racists; or do whites instinctively fear blacks because the blacks are racist?

  • harvey

    Have any of you heard about this black web site called “freedomworksforme.com” ? I heard about it on the radio and the man talking said he was a former “President of the NAACP”. Anyway he is talking about the black people needing to get away from the slavery of big government handouts and the slavery it has confined them to. I joined their “Empowerment”. I am not black but if I could help by joining I will (have gladly done that). He was really bad mouthing the NAACP and their view, and publcizing that view, of the Conservative Republicans.

    • Deapster

      Middle class blacks left the ghetto in the past generation, which left behind a concentrated and toxic remainder. Agree, support the sane A-A voices wherever you can.

  • harvey

    Just heard a bit of Obama speaking about Travon Martin. Obama said he thinks if Travon had a gun he would have the same right to shoot Zimmerman as Zimmerman had to shoot Travon under the Florida “Stand Your Ground Law”.

    It would appear to me Zimmerman was working and carrying a gun in the capacity of a Captain of his Neighborhood Watch. I still doubt Martin had a license to carry a gun and the gun he owned (shown in the picture) was most likely a stolen weapon sold on the black market.

    Obama is pushing this to the limit. At some point he has to admit what his true agenda is.

    • foxyladi14

      He has two agendas.
      One Stir up trouble.
      two take attention away from his many scandals.

      • Deapster

        And the last, shall be first.

        Soros did say he wanted enough US social unrest to bring the entire system down, in order to rebuild according to his terms. Megalomaniac.

        • sowsear1

          Alynsky all the way down,,,

      • Woody

        And three, obliterate the Second Amendment.

      • harvey

        Foxyladi14, I don’t believe he is worried about scandal. I believe his goal is to bring America, especially white America, to her knees. There is no way in God’s green acres anyone man could possibly make so many bad decisions in any national government (except the creeps in North Korea or the Taliban) by mistake. I believe Obama knows exactly what he wants and it isn’t to please patriotic Americans.

    • KlugerRD

      Obama sealed the deal as the most divisive President ever with that little speech.

      1. He never met anyone like Trayvon until he became a community organizer.

      2. He is a liar for insinuating that he had to look over his shoulder when he was growing up in Hawaii.

      3. Stand Your Ground was NOT an issue in this trial at all.

      4. Maybe the Racist in Chief missed the news, but Martin attacked Zimmerman. Martin was not defending himself – Zimmerman was.

      5. He wants to do more for young Black men. How about fixing the economy so they can get a decent job and not resort to stealing.

      Also – have a nice time Obama at Martha’s Vineyard, again, with Mooch and the kids.

      This guy is disgusting.

      • S7teen70six

        If Obama did look over his shoulder it was because he was looking for some more choom he could bogart.

    • S7teen70six

      And yet not a single member of the press will ask Obama about the gun his imaginary son posed with. Not a single one. And not a single politician will demand that question be answered.

  • HELENK2

    lets see heatwave through out most of the country. week end and backtrack pushing the racist rant. what could possibly go wrong.

    maybe the protests could start at the white house. oh wait will backtrack be there or up at the vineyard?

    • harvey

      I live about ten miles out of town on a Farm to Market highway. Tomorrow (Saturday) there will be a “Travon Martin march” in this small town of about 25,000 which is about 75% black. Since I am one of those vets who can’t purchase a gun I will just mosey on out of the county until they finish their protest. That small town has a way of producing so called juvenile “home intrusions” where a good number of people have been killed.

      • KenoshaMarge

        Mosey fast and please be safe!

      • HELENK2

        good planing. and yes please stay safe.
        I just have a gut feeling it is going to be a really ugly weekend.
        Never had government officials try and stir up racial hatred before. The reverends make a living off doing so, but government officials that is new

    • harvey

      “Heat Wave” that is what, not too long ago, was a legitimate reason to riot. Times may change, but people seldom do [change]. Turn down the thermostat on the AC HELENK :) .

  • S7teen70six

    OT…

    It seems that the NSA has decided to start locking their server room doors to keep another Snowden from absconding with their secrets.

    What is most amusing about this “action” is that most corporations already lock their server rooms and require login and logout from whomever enters and leaves. That our own government hasn’t seemed willing to live up to this standard industry practice explains a lot of things. And this coming from the intelligence gathering agency that is responsible for keeping US secure speaks volumes.

  • chrissy

    I find it amusing that Cantor is going around to big cities pushing this immigration bill. He is targeting those rich people who hire illegals telling them their “help” should be citizens. Of course next will be the big corporate farms b/c no one in the USA needs money that bad to pick weeds from fields or vegies. I picked weeds from fields, so did my children. Now farmers can’t even hire a 14yo to pull a weed. So much for summer money kids. So much for FHA and FFA. Can’t have young teens doing anything like planting gardens or raising sheep or cattle. 4H is like history.

    We have taken our heritage and thrown it away. I remember when the USA was a country built by immigrants who wanted to be citizens, who thought charity was for someone else, and that hard work would get you a piece of the American Dream. Now everyone is a victim and kids can’t leave their Xboxes.

    • DianaLC

      My first “job” at 14 was to keep the area weeded around a small strip mall. The main area I weeded was a little garden area near the outdoor patio of a small restaurant.

      Of course, I worked on our family farm for no pay. I put the milkers together in the morning, then fed the calves as soon as the milk for them was provided. I cleaned those buckets and milkers before I went in for breakfast and then got ready for school.

      I had many years of 4-H under my belt before I graduated high school. I didn’t do the livestock bit, as my little sister and I (who both became vegetarians) had a terrible time thinking of eating our “babies” and friends.

      She was always in charge of the egg collecting and the feeding of the chickens. She now has a fancy chicken coop on her retirement acreage and three “pet” chickens.

      You are so right about the way we’ve changed the method of raising kids. I did require that both my boys get an afternoon paper route, while my ex would not think of having his daughters lift a finger around the house, since in his mind that was child abuse. My boys helped me in that regard far more than the precious princesses did.

      I divorced him years ago. My two boys are fine family men. His daughters have many problems keeping their lives together.

      • Deapster

        Memory lane: my first paying job was putting pats of butter on those little paper squares for the college cafeteria serving thousands of students. Good enough for me. Hated having to wear the hairnet though.

        • sowsear1

          I started babysitting when I was 9..way too young, I know…My first job after babysitting, age 15, was working in a candy store. Later, worked my way through college…(There were no college loans then)

      • HELENK2

        my first paying job was washing dishes in a hospital for 37 cents an hour. worked after school

      • HARP2

        My first job was a morning paper route then off to school and in the evening I would deliver for a drug store on my bike. I guess I was a drug peddler.

    • S7teen70six

      I used to spend summers at my grandmothers, planting seeds and hoeing weeds. When that fun was through we would bale hay or cut and hang tobacco. Loads of fun. My actual first paying job was as a dishwasher at an Italian restaurant.

  • harvey

    Race As Politics And Politics As Race – The Slave Mentality Revisited
    In the aftermath of the Zimmerman trial, amid all the posturing, there’s something that’s being studiously ignored…why it happened in the first place. Oh, not the incident itself, but the ginned up outrage, the trial by media even to the point of falsifying images and recordings of 911 calls, and the political posturings that went all the way up to that White House and the Oval Office.

    Take all that away and the Trayvon Martin case is just another unfortunate urban altercation. Hispanics have shot blacks before, and black have killed Hispanics. So why did this become a cause célèbre and attract such attention?

    The answer’s pretty simple if you think about it. The Trayvon Martin shooting became notorious because it was deliberately designed to, and if it hadn’t occurred, something else would have had to be invented.”

    Right on!! If there was no history of slavery in America someone, aka Obama, Sharpton, Jackson, aka Democrat Party would of necessity have invented it.

    http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2013/07/race-as-politics-and-politics-as-race.html

    • Deapster

      When the First Family made gansta wannabee Trayvon Martin the “son” they never had, it was open season for the eventual race baiters.

      The irony is had Martin been able to carry out his assault on Zimmerman before getting shot in self defense, Martin himself could have very reasonably been facing a true 2nd degree murder change, unlike Zimmerman who did not strike the first blows.

      I ask again, would the First Family want one of their daughters to have married Trayvon Martin?

      • harvey

        Absolutely. Obama himself said “if I had a son he would look like Travon Martin”. Obviously the son of Frank Marshal Davis would be delighted to have a son like Travon the wannabe gangsta.

        • DianaLC

          Hey, Trayvon could have had Jay Z as his godfather.

          • S7teen70six

            Don’t forget Stevie Wonder. How else to explain the book: Trayvon has two godfathers?

  • harvey

    When conservatives complain about Al Sharpton, they usually note his relationship to NBC news or his hosting a show on MSNBC. But a new book says the racial agitator and Democratic Party politician has considerable clout with Fox News, and in fact played a role in getting conservative Glenn Beck fired from the channel.

    Fox News host Tucker Carlson says “people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do not deserve to be called civil rights leaders. They are not. They are hustlers and pimps who make a living off inflaming racial tensions.”

    AMEN to that!!!!!

    http://www.trevorloudon.com/

    • S7teen70six

      Carlson is absolutely correct.

    • Deapster

      Calling a spade a spade is still politically correct.

      • chrissy

        The reason a spade is called a spade on the farm is to differentiate from a shovel.

        • harvey

          yeah but when you are discussing Obama it refers to manure.

          • S7teen70six

            Or as it is also known: His Administration.

    • S7teen70six

      For being such a race baiting, white hating “reverend” why do you think that Sharpton still maintains his conk to look like whitey?

  • HELENK2

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/18/newscientist-a-25-gadget-can-hack-take-control-of-a-car/

    a $25 gadget can take control of your car.
    scarey new technology

    • HELENK2
      • Deapster

        I suppose we should be glad prisoners in California no longer make state license plates.

        • HELENK2

          what makes me laugh is the idea that you will not have to register your car every year and that will save the state money. It cost me over a $100 a year to register my car. so with these plates I will spend $100 for three years. so how is that saving the state money?

  • HELENK2

    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/18/christine-odonnell-a-victim-of-irs-abuse/

    this story makes you wonder just how many times has this happened. that should be another part of the investigation of the IRS

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  • HELENK2

    sorry it is about the zimmerman case

    http://www.ijreview.com/2013/07/66464-video-black-panthers-offer-bounty-for-zimmerman/

    black panthers offer bounty for zimmerman

    so where is holder’s dept of crime on this
    the sound of silence

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWyzwo1xg0

    • KlugerRD

      Holder’s history with the Panthers over the past 5 years clearly shows a man who has committed gross abuse of office and is using his position to select what justice he wants to pursue.

      Bartle Bull, the noted civil rights attorney and advocate said that the 2008 voter intimidation by the Panthers was the worst he had ever seen. Six career DDOJ attorneys sought to move the case against the Panthers forward. It was Holder that stopped it.

      The Panthers put a bounty on Zimmerman’s head yet not one Panther was arrested.

      And the Panthers declared that there would be war on the streets which is incitement to riot and a crime. And yet not one Panther has been arrested.

      The only conclusion one can draw is that the Panthers are Holder’s personal gestapo.

      • harvey

        The panthers may be holder’s gestapo but there was one man by the name of Crocket at the Alamo that wore those kind of animals as a cap.

    • harvey

      Like what? I mean the bounty. Crack cocain? The panthers (small p) should be careful, Zimmerman has already proved his marksmanship.

    • S7teen70six

      Sometimes I fantasize about letting off a whole canister of nitrous oxide at a Black Panther rally. Kinda like Clouseau did to Dreyfus when he disguised himself as a dentist. Wouldn’t it be fun to watch them lose that dour demeanor and laugh their ass off for a while?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqYHb41OlSE&feature=player_embedded#at=22

  • HELENK2

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/18/IRS-Hearing-Trail-Leads-to-Washington

    IRS hearing lead to DC

    I hear that train a coming, right on down the line

  • HELENK2

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/07/sebelius_tells_naacp_obamacare_opponents_like_white_racists_who_opposed_civil_rights.html

    does anyone see a pattern here?

    yesterday if you oppose the immigration bill you are afraid of minorities

    today if you oppose the obamacare bill you are a white racist.

    WOW my government does not seem to have a very high opinion of me

    • Deapster

      What was that phrase about no one lost money under-estimating the gullibility of the American public?

    • harvey

      I have my druthers and Obama isn’t one of them. If that makes me a racist so be it. What the hey, I hate everybody that doesn’t drink Guiness and brings coors light to the party.

      • KenoshaMarge

        Aw, and I always brought Killian’s Red.

        • harvey

          Wee bit of the hair that bit the dog. Or is it ——————–LOL!

          • KenoshaMarge

            Don’t have the dog these days so find no need for the hair thereof. But in my younger days it was always Killian’s Red. It was a tradition in the “Milligan” household.

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  • HELENK2

    off topic

    stolen from a commenter at the crawdad hole

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/congressman-benghazi-survivors-forced-sign-non-disclosure-agreements_739975.html

    Benghazi survivors forced to sign non disclosure agreements

  • Deapster

    Fruit from the forbidden tree should be confiscated. Did not the illegal immigrant steal first from the US?

    I was a guest worker for a number of years in another country. It never even occurred to me, nor does it today, that I should demand any rights not granted by my host country when I agreed to work there. Let alone make up demands later had I been an illegal immigrant.

    Nor would I assume any children I had on their soil would be granted any rights beyond my own.

  • KenoshaMarge

    If we believe that it’s all right for the government to “steal” from some then we must believe it’s all right for the government to “steal” from all. Anything else is hypocrisy.

    Seems to me that this provision was deliberately put into the bill to appease those who oppose it while knowing that it would never be upheld legally. Just another dishonest ploy by people with the moral credibility of a cockroach.

    If you do bad things because you are blind and not corrupt that doesn’t change the result. And being that blind is akin, IMHO, to stupidity.

    I don’t buy into this b.s. any more than I buy into the government taking from the productive to give to the unproductive. It’s theft no matter how you slice it.

    No matter how worthy the cause, it is robbery, theft, and injustice to confiscate the property of one person and give it to another to whom it does not belong. ~ Walter Williams

  • S7teen70six

    I have to disagree with you that most in the government are not corrupt. It’s been my experience that once they realize the power they can have over other citizens it gives them all kinds of ideas of how to take advantage of that fact. I don’t trust a single one of them. And until someone proves to me otherwise that’s the position of common sense self defense that I am maintaining.

    • DianaLC

      The minute they join “the club” and make friends with their fellow workers, elected officials, etc., they begin to rationalize and go down that slippery slope to perdition.

    • harvey

      Of course the first line of defense is the vote. The second is likened to it—adapt, improvise, and overcome.

  • HARP2

    Theft by government.
    The only thing missing is a gun and a getaway car.

    • harvey

      Government Motors and Fast and Furious comes to mind, not to mention all US taxpayers buying up all the ammunition and donating it free gratis to supply the King’s Army.

      Eastan is right. We are being “Acclimatized” to accept our new role as the King’s subjects.

  • DianaLC

    Eastan, you say there are “millions of people in this class” you’re talking about. I must live a really sheltered life because I am trying to think of anyone I know who might fit the description of the people you mention. My grandparents came as immigrants but all proudly earned their citizenship because they wanted that status for many reasons.

    I’m not disagreeing with your premise at all, I am just up in the middle of the night because of my sleep disorder and am feeling stupid that I never heard of these people. Did they never want to vote? Could they have been voting all these years without being citizens? All kinds of questions come to my mind that are a little OT.

    One of the things I learned very early in life came from working on high school student government. An overall remake of any organization or department just never worka–too many unintended consequences and/or problems with implementation of the makeover. It’s always better to fix small things when it’s obvious they need to be fixed, as far as I’m concerned, and try not to let the big messy problems to come about in the first place.

    The idea that healthcare, for example, itself could be fixed, as the wording we use implies is in itself misleading because the care we received from doctors and hospitals was not what we were wanting to fix–mostly it was the often astronomical cost of that care in many cases.

    I felt strongly about that when the healthcare bill was being foisted upon us. I hadn’t read it as had some who went to those town hall meetings and brought questions and who were vilified by the left and eventually targeted by the IRS as they became part of the Tea Party movement.

    I heard Bob Beckel defending the healthcare bill because of the provision that helped him, the “pre-existing condition” provision,” just as many still claim the provision that allows children to stay on parents’ healthcare until 26 is good. Even those provision that are popular have consequences for others who have insurance or are trying to obtain insurance in the way of costs.

    Often we try to fix things through government and want to get it done all at once when working on smaller bills is better. (Not allowing pork bills to be added would be another good idea to prevent these large unreadable bills from being passed.)

    So I am inclined to believe you about this particular issue, and about supposed “immigration reform” in general. I was already not in favor of an overall remake of the immigration system in the first place. One issue taken separately is best. So thanks for reading the bill and pointing this out. Does that now make you part of the Tea Party movement?

    We need an administrative/executive branch that really sees itself as an administrator/executive and not as a “social engineering” branch–as one stupid lawyer told Greta was her main job as a lawyer.

    The entire system of our three branches and including the “fourth estate” of the press have been so corrupted by these people with “social engineering” agendas that everything is now FUBAR.

    I am indeed becoming a libertarian.

    • gracepmc

      Just this morning I was thinking of changing my registration.