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Open Thread * A Focus on The McLaughlin Group & Thoughts on PEBO’s Future Choices for the USSC

I love watching The McLaughlin Group (transcripts | podcasts). I often watch it two or three times, thanks to my DVR, because I want to catch everything, and I often miss important remarks the first time ’round. ( Say, I’ve heard — via some grapevines — that Mssr. McLaughlin loves the ladies. Maybe that’s why he left the priesthood so long ago. (I’m so silly sometimes.))

Actually, I learn a great deal from that program, and do wish it were an hour long. I hang on to every word that Pat Buchanan and John McLaughlin utter. Eleanor Clift, sadly, has become my least favorite panelist ever since she drank the KoolAid last year, and her critical thinking has suffered — she just mouths the typical talking points we’ve all heard all week long on every cable news channel. She has nothing NEW to add, or rarely.

And, even when I was a Daily-Kos-lovin’ regular Kossack diarist (@ 2005), I loved TMG (The McLaughlin Group). And I never understood why it was verboten to say that I liked the show, or why there was a regular FRENZY about getting PBS to cancel the show. Whatever for? Because PBS was bowing to the wishes of the rightwingers in Congress who control their purse strings? Call me STUPID, but I have to ask this: Shouldn’t the elected “rightwingers” have as much say about funding PBS as the leftwingers? Ditto NPR?

Ideally, I suppose, no elected officials should mess with PBS’s and NPR’s programming. But obliterating all supposedly “rightwing” programming? That’s anti-democratic, and it proves why the leftwing can never be allowed to RULE our nation because their level of censorship will be more extreme than that of the rightwingers, I fear.

And why do the lefties ASS-u-ME that if anyone, like me, watches TMG, his or her thinking will be irrevocably damaged? That viewers can’t discern for themselves which POVs they prefer?

That someone like Pat Buchanan, whose astonishing memory for U.S. history is mind-blowing, should be silenced? God, I could listen to Pat Buchanan all day every day, and never be bored. I wish MSNBC would use him more. I wish Fox News would give him a huge deal, and give him an hour show!!! I wish he could replace Rush Limbaugh!!!

Clarence Page is another not-so-favorite contributor, but this that he said last Friday was very funny:

Search here to find the stations that carry TMG, and on what days and at what times.

HERE is the panel on PEBO and the USSC:

The Supremes

Issue Three: The Supremes.

PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA: (From videotape.) I will look for those judges who have an outstanding judicial record, who have the intellect, and who hopefully have a sense of what real-world folks are going through.

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: The Supreme Court is just what its name suggests — supreme — supreme over all the other 16,000 judicial bodies in the United States. The court’s nine justices interpret law and they set precedent for years to come. The nomination of these justices is by the president, and it is arguably his or her most enduring power.

These justices commonly outlive the nominating president’s terms. All nine of them serve for life, if they so wish. Thirty-two percent resign or retire. As a consequence of lengthy service, the justices’ age can be quite seasoned. In the current court, one of the nine is an octogenarian, John Paul Stevens. Three of the nine are in their seventies — Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Antonin Scalia and Anthony Kennedy.

Question: Why will it be easier for President-elect Obama to assess nominees’ judicial philosophy than for other presidents who have done so, or to do so? Do you understand the question?

MR. BUCHANAN: Sure.

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Do you understand the question, Eleanor?

MS. CLIFT: I can guess at it. (Laughs.)

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Why is it going to be easier for Obama?

MS. CLIFT: Because he’s thoughtful and he’s a former constitutional lawyer.

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: There you go. MS. CLIFT: And he understands that he needs to keep a balance on the court, which is now evenly split between left and right, with one swing vote, and the three most likely justices to retire are on the left. And so he needs — the best he can do, from my perspective, is to keep the court where it is and not let the right take over.

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: He’s a lawyer. And in addition to that, he taught constitutional law for many years, did he not?

MR. PAGE: At the University of Chicago, one of those incubators for justices.

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: The University of Chicago. So he also knows what questions to ask the interviewee in order to discover what his judicial philosophy is —

MR. BUCHANAN: Let me say, John —

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: — or hers, correct?

MS. CROWLEY: Well, that’s right. He does have the background. But let’s be honest. I mean, when the country elects a president, they elect a political philosophy. So he’s not going to appoint conservative judges, and that’s his prerogative not to. We’re looking at between one and three vacancies, possibly, starting with John Paul Stevens, who’s about 89 years old. There are others. Ruth Bader Ginsburg —

MS. CLIFT: Eighty-seven, I think.

MS. CROWLEY: — is not in the best of health, and so she might retire as well. So there will be vacancies here for him. And he has made it clear that he wants somebody who is going to be able to reflect his political philosophy and approach the law that way as well.

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Okay, more on the Supreme Court from Obama.

PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA: (From videotape.) And we need somebody who’s got the heart to recognize — the empathy to recognize what it’s like to be a young teenage mom, the empathy to understand what it’s like to be poor or African-American or gay or disabled or old. And that’s the criteria by which I’m going to be selecting my judges.

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Can you live with that, Clarence?

MR. PAGE: Well, we’ve seen that with Sandra Day O’Connor, her experience as a woman being discriminated against, in spite of her stellar qualifications. She said that had an impact —

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Well, he’s saying —

MR. PAGE: — on her — MR. MCLAUGHLIN: — you’ve got to have heart. That’s what he’s saying.

MR. PAGE: Right, right. And the candidates know this. I remember Clarence Thomas sounding very eloquent and passionate about his sympathy for the accused, and then once he became a justice, showed very little of it in his decisions. So I think, you know, there’s part of some salesmanship of —

MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Well, what’s the primary — is heart the primary —

MR. BUCHANAN: John, heart is not primary. This is an absurdity.

MS. CLIFT: No, it isn’t.

READ ALL of the panel’s discussion of issues on Friday night.

I wish i’d spent more time hunting around for some of John McLaughlin’s priceless comments and his astonishing predictions — he is SO prescient (!). But perhaps all of you will do some huntin’, and you’ll share what you find.

OPEN THREAD!!!

  • Strawberrybitch

    I love TMG, too. It’s like the rollar derby for politcal wonks.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ NoQuarter

      It is!

      John, darling, if you happen to read this, please find a way to get your transcripts and some YouTube video snippets up. It takes a rather long time for your transcripts to show up at your site.

      There have been so many times that I wished I had the transcript, during the weekend following your latest airing, so that I could quote a section for a story I was writing.

      YouTube snippets, John. YouTube.

      Your panel is very hot material for political junkies everywhere!

      • BernieO

        Better yet, put the entire show in the website.

        I am glad to see others like this show. During the 90′s it was pretty lame but I think Bush scared McLaughlin silly and that made him be more substantive.

        I also like Mort Zuckerman. He has been on the money (ha) about our economic mess. It is also funny to watch McLaughling try to get him to say how much he is worth.

  • http://i nickoury

    It’s the only program left I can stand watching.

    • Cindy

      nickoury—Me too. It’s a great show, but if Pat ever quits it, I will too.

      • http://i nickoury

        If Pat goes it’s toast.

    • FranSC

      Thanks for cluing me in about TMG. Like nickoury, I can hardly bear all the political pundit shows now that I was used to devouring.

      Around March or April I switched exclusively to FoxNews because I was otherwise continually in an uproar screaming at the TV and unnerving those around me.

      Now I’m growing weary of Fox going back to their Clinton bashing ways while speaking more nicely about the P”E”OTUS than I care to hear, particularly from them!

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  • Susanjane

    Stupid question. Can someone tellme when and where TMG airs?
    TY

    • Cindy

      In Central Texas, it’s on Sunday mornings, 11:30.

      • rolling_thunder

        pacific northwest-10 pm Fridays-PBS

        I love to listen to MS. CROWLEY. She has some great insights but can barely get a word in edgewise over Eleanor. She keeps getting cut off.

  • Peggy Sue

    I agree with you, no quarter, about having the advantage of different speakers and varying points of view. It’s one of the things that worries me about the incoming administration. The Fairness Doctrine, the matter of localization on the airways and the screech we hear everytime a not-so flattering comment is made about the Dems and their future policies. Even the right-wing blowhards have a right to blow long and hard. Anything less is censorship.

    I may not agree with the outrageous commentators [more often than not I don't] but they have the right to give their spin and the public has a right to hear it. And judge it.

    Your comments regarding Eleanor Clift are spot on. She uses talking points language anymore. But then, a lot of these commentators do. I’ve been amazed at the brouhaha over Ed Rendell’s recent comments, mostly from the same female commentators who made a sport in savaging HRC and Sarah Palin. Now, they’re concerned about “single-bias,” a jibe at single women [or so I'm told]. Gail Collins at the NYT devoted a column to it. Campbell Brown went into a snit. Even Arianna Huffington weighed in.

    The world has gone insane! But I catch the TMG whenever I can. It’s lively, which is more than I can say about most of the talking heads!

    • FranSC

      Peggy Sue, you are so right about the particular female commentators you singled out now presuming to be instructive about sexism after they were the primary culprits in a continual harp about Hillary and Sarah. How ridiculous that such women think they know anything about sexism.

      They are the people whose own sexism and blatant disrespect of their own gender gave their male counterparts permission to tear these two impressive women to shreds.

      Ed Rendell’s comments about the AZ Governor pale in comparison to the hit jobs daily performed by these women.

  • OhioMary

    I so agree with you on Pat Buchannon – He was the ONLY voice of reason on MSNBC. I used to watch Morning Joe just to hear him if he was on and before I boycotted Hard Ball I enjoyed his sparring with Matthews and his guests. I really haven’t watched TMG but will now thanks to your great post.

  • Sassy

    I really liked this program, in the past.
    I even enjoyed Tony Blankley’s views…I disagreed, but he was entertaining.
    For some time, I found the panel joining in the “Bama Rama” and stopped watching.
    Buchanan is a surprising mixture…serious, thoughful, and at times hilarious. I think I would like him in person, in spite of some of the positions he held before.

  • jvsp

    Eleanor Clift is nauseating in how predictable she is. I think she is only there to be antagonized -anything will suffice. Just mention Alaska…

    • rolling_thunder

      Just mention Alaska…

      :lol: I hear ya on that one!

  • mimi

    Count me in as a TMG fan. It’s the only show I can stomach. I’ve ditched the rest.

    I discovered Buchanan when he was running for prez. I so disagree with him on social issues, but on the rest, I have to say he is spot on. I often wonder how the country would have fared if he instead of Bush had been president. Pat’s so smart and he really knows his stuff.

    As far as Eleanor is concerned, she right now is the only reason I turn it off sometimes. After she drank the kool-aid I lost it for her.

    As far as Rendell’s remarks, I could care less. So what! Napolitano doesn’t have a family. At least he didn’t rag her about an untruth. And all the outraged women can kiss my ass. They all savaged Hillary and Palin, I feel nothing for their point of view now.

    Nada!

  • NoBamaNoWay

    I’ve always like TMG, although i haven’t watched it in a while since i’ve had the TV off since january. it is shocking how widespread (on both sides) the idea is that censorship is a good thing. no longer is a free exchange of ideas good for finding the truth; no longer are facts and logic the best way to counter false ideas; everybody justs want to shut everybody else down. whatever happened to american ideals? the fact that this website allows all differing viewpoints is one of the main reasons i come here, and i’m sure a lot of other people feel the same way. Thanks, Larry.

    • jvsp

      Truth? Logic? Facts? Aren’t those the ideas for which families send their kids to university at $40k yearly to have dispelled as antiquated?

  • S – Angeltour

    so glad to see this post…I agree with you…I have always love TMH and look forward to it…imo, John McGlaughlin and Pat Buchanan were two of the more honest voices during the primary and election season…they called it like it was…and John seemed to really admire Hillary…of course, Pat was usually the one coming to Hillary’s defense…

    I have the same perception of Eleanor Clift as just spouting the talking points and always taking a swat at Hillary and Bill…sad, I used to like her, but like so many of the other ‘lefties’ that lost all objectivity, Eleanor definitely drank the koolaide and became an Obama spokesperson…what really got me though was her screaching and interrupting everyone…Eleanor lost her poise and always seemed desperate and screaming…this is not a sexist remark…she was loud…

    …ironically I also came to appreciate Monica Crowley, who usually had measured and calm points to contribute…every now and then she would utter some Clinton snark, but for the most part Monica seemed to be telling it like she saw it…

  • scorbs

    Watched TMG every week until I got sick of Clarence Page and Eleanor Clift singing Obama’s praises, without any critical eye. With the rest of NBC being like that, i couldn’t stand tuning it in, even though it’s been the best of the lot. When I’m ready, i’ll probably go back to it. McLaughlin is my favorite and worth the watch.

    I liked Eleanor, except she’s much better when there’s a republican to rail against. Then she’s fresh and rapier in her viewpoints.

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  • Rico

    TMG isn’t conservative or liberal. Even John, himself, praises or condemns both parties equally, in my view.

    As for Clift, she may be mouthing Obama talking points today, but that isn’t much of a change. She used to mouth Hillary’s talking points. She’s as predictable as whatever neocon ends up sitting on the opposite corner from her.

    Pat and John really are the bullwarks of the show, though I do miss Jack Germond.

  • AF catfish

    TMG often gets bumped for our local station’s pledge drives :(

    Just before the Texas-Ohio primary, McLaughlin (sp?) and Mort Zuckerman both started routing hard for Hillary, and McLaughlin predicted her margin of victory in both states almost exactly.

    Buchanan used to host an hourlong show on MSNBC – the Buchanan and Press show (Bill Press on the left.) They were great, had great chemistry and had sunny dispositions. They appeared to genuinely like each other. Of course it was cancelled, MSNBO probably decided they were too old.

  • http://lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com/ whoframedrudy

    I agree Eleanor has gone way downhill from a smart liberal commentator to a useless talking parakeet. She doesn’t do her own thinking anymore. I think she just cribs from Daily Kos.

    Buchanan is totally anti-war. And he’s more convincing than Howard Zinn or Michael Moore. Pat believes both World Wars were unnecessary blunders. He is personally very proud that the Presidents he advised did not blunder into a World War like Churchill and FDR. From his blog:

    “Buchanan long ago warned that allowing neoconservatives to set the agenda would be calamitous for conservatives.”

    “Buchanan opposed the Iraq War that has cast its shadow over Bush’s presidency.”

    “[in 1999] He even predicted that a terrorist strike on American soil was the likely result of our trying to dominate the Middle East, well before the horrific attacks on America on September 11, 2001.”

    Right, right, and right again.

    Buchanan: (1) opposed the Lebanese invasion, (2) opposes war with Iran, (3) opposes NATO security guarantees to Ukraine/Georgia vs. Russia, (4) wants our bases out of Korea. It really shows how stupid they’ve become on Daily Kos.

  • TeakWoodKite

    MS. CLIFT: Because he’s thoughtful and he’s a former constitutional lawyer

    Wrong. He not a constitutional lawyer. He has never practiced Constitutional law either at the state level or the federal level. EVER. He was never a member in good standing of any constitutional bar.
    I disagree strongly with L Tribe that he is “brilliant”. BO was a Lecturer, who I heard most recent quote Justice Brandise. So that might say something but what I don’t know. As for thoughtful? Please show ONE example of this!

    He has defended ACORN strong arm tactics and Rezko’s slum lording. Did I miss anyone?

    NQ, I really like blunt and unvarnished, and I find Pat Buchanan a thought provoking person in hat regard. I happen to agree with his stand on illegal immigration as a matter of law and principle.

    Also, the “Fairness Doctrine” is un democratic nonsense to me. I hope that BS doesn’t come to the fore as some have suggested it might.

    In the battle of ideas, let the best one win the day. I listen to both side of the dial and if some person has an insight on an issue that resonates, so be it.

  • SPalin

    TMG is a terrible show. Those talking, rather yelling heads, hardly ever have anything but very superficial knowledge of the topics they talk about. Even when they talk about the politics of the issues, they are often wrong.

    A very old school behind the times show that needs to go away. It is so far out of what is really happening these days. All the commentators have very little value added with their old school mentalities and ideas. They need to be replaced with younger fresher people.

    The show is an embarassment, as it always just turns into a shouting match amongst a bunch of Washington insider egos.

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