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Malaysian Air 777–Was it Terrorism?

The disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 is fueling speculation that this was a terrorist strike, in part because two people with stolen passports apparently were on board the flight. So, was this terrorism? Short answer–NO.

Let me elaborate why I think this has nothing to do with terrorism. For starters, why hit a Malaysian target?The missing Malaysian flight was not filled with westerners nor was it going to a western destination. Instead, it was filled with Chinese and Malaysians. It just does not make sense as a target of radical Islamists.

Another consideration, that would indicate a terrorist act, would be at least two other such incidents. This harkens back to the failed Al Qaeda plot in 1994–BOJINKA–which proposed to bring down almost one dozen jumbo planes crossing the Pacific. The test run for this was carried out by Ramsi Yousef, who boarded a Philippine Air flight in the southern Philippines, built a bomb on board, stuffed it under a seat and debarked the plane. He did not want to be on board when the bomb went off.

While this is a possible scenario, it is not likely.

What about the two passengers with stolen passports?

Simply does not make sense to have two guys with ironclad stolen docs get on board a plane and blow themselves up. You do not get to use them again. Why waste such resources?

Some have wondered how two people with stolen docs could get on board this flight. Very simple. There is no such thing as an international document database that permits a border guard in Kuala Lumpur to verify whether or not a document is accurate. Such a system does not exist.

But, let’s not let facts get in the way. I imagine that the media hype machine will be running full tilt trying to manufacture some good terror fear in hopes of milking some more ratings.

  • doc99

    So Larry, based on latest revelations, have you re-evaluated your thoughts on terrorism on this flight?

  • http://ptab-outoforder.blogspot.com/ Ptab01

    Been thinking about this – what r the chances of a mechanic failure & an over zealous military response? It is evident something went wrong w/ the flight ( either syst failures or human) the plane was low altitude and off its flight plan- is it that unbelievable that anti craft batteries would scramble? We are not privy to all players military radar info are we?

  • piattq

    As the wheel turns, the energetic interest of the Chinese seems to be more than just concern for the Chinese on the plane. Malaysia is a muslim country I think and it looks like some familiar patterns: one way tickets, purchased with cash, Iranians….and so it goes.

  • GabbySummers

    I think it flew all the way over the Indian ocean – could it be in
    Indonesia? Or, could it have been shot down by fighter jets when they
    detected it was flying below radar. But then, would the cell phones
    keep ringing if they were blown to bits?

  • KlugerRD

    According to the Malaysia military this plane turned around and flew west for about 350 miles undetected by civilian radar (its transponder turned off) and at a low altitude. This sounds a lot like a 9/11 type hijacking or pilot suicide.

  • HELENK2
    • KenoshaMarge

      It’s just dandy with most of congress if the peasantry is spied on – quite another kettle of fish if it’s them.

  • KlugerRD

    Under the banner of crazy theories, I had been thinking if the plane could be intact and have landed somewhere. . . . could they have turned off all types of communication from the plane and flew low enough to avert radar detection.

    The I just read this from the AP:

    “The Malaysian military has radar data showing the missing Boeing 777 jetliner changed course and made it to the Malacca Strait, hundreds of miles from the last position recorded by civilian authorities, according to a senior military official.”

    ” . . . raises questions about why the aircraft was not transmitting signals detectable by civilian radar.”

    “A high-ranking military official involved in the investigation confirmed the report and also said the plane was believed to be flying low.”

    http://nypost.com/2014/03/11/malaysian-military-says-missing-jet-changed-course/

  • HELENK2

    off topic

    http://americanthinker.com/blog/2014/03/obama_to_cut_nonunion_military_pensions_by_10.html

    backtrack sticking it to the military again
    wants to cut pensions by 10%

  • Dave L.

    I am waiting for the anointed one in the White House to decide when we are ready to hear the truth, I am sure he will then tell us exactly what happened !!

  • Sam

    Reuters is now reporting that the Malaysian Military says that the plane flew west after loosing contact and made it at least to the west coast of Malaysia. Am I the only person who thinks it is very odd that the pilot had rigged up a homemade version of a flight simulator for this plane in his house? The plane reportedly had 7 hrs. of fuel. It had flown for about 2 hrs. That leaves 5 hrs. fuel and a lot of territory that could be covered.

    • KlugerRD

      There was also a co-pilot who could have disabled the pilot and taken over the plane for whatever reason.

      Having an in-home flight simulator (not the video games) is strange.

  • Zachary DeBoer

    Hmmm…. the only thing I really find interested about that article is how every point he makes is logically flawed, wrong.

    He makes many points. I’ll go through each of them and explain why he is wrong.

    1) He says it isn’t terrorism because why would they target a Malaysian flight. He said it wasn’t filled with “westerners and it wasn’t going to a westerner destination.” He also said that

    My question, why does the think terrorists only target westerners? This is a common error in many people’s minds who think westerners bring on terrorism for whatever reason. The fact is, terrorists attack MANY other people besides westerners.

    2) The writer says it can’t be terrorism because why would they target Chinese people?

    Uhhhh… China has a HUGE problem with Islamic Extremist terrorism in their own country! So him suggesting it can’t be terrorism because they don’t target Chinese people is ridiculous.

    * http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/01/world/asia/china-beijing-tiananmen/

    * http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-china-blames-islamic-militants-for-deadly-terror-attack-1966229

    * http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/14/us-china-xinjiang-idUSBREA1D0IE20140214

    * I could post hundreds of stories of Islamic terrorism in China… but you get the point.

    3) The writer said the flight wasn’t a target of terrorism because, “It just does not make sense as a target of radical Islamists.”

    My question, why does he assume only “radical Islamists” can be terrorists? Terrorists is not a term that refers to ONLY “Islamists.” Terrorists can come from MANY backgrounds, not just Islam. Timothy McVeigh wasn’t an “Islamist,” and he was responsible for the Oklahoma City Bombing. Terrorists can be nut cases from many different backgrounds.

    4) Possibly the dumbest thing he said was, “Simply does not make sense to have two guys with ironclad stolen docs get on board a plane and blow themselves up. You do not get to use them again. Why waste such resources?”

    There is not a shortage of stolen passports, so they are not as valuable of a resource as he thinks they are. But if they were a limited and valuable resource, why does he think taking down a Boeing jumbo jet with hundreds of people aboard would not be worth “wasting” the “ironclad stolen docs”? Why would he think a terrorist would consider that a “waste” of stolen passports? This guy has absolutely ZERO understanding about terrorists and what motivates them. Obviously a terrorist would not have a problem “wasting” stolen passports to take down a jumbo jet. For crying out loud, they have already shown they are willing to blow themselves up, does he think a terrorist would be willing to give his life up for a cause, but not a stolen passport? This guy is an idiot.

    5) And the last statement he made that is COMPLETELY false and it demonstrates his lack of credibility on the entire subject. He said, “Some have wondered how two people with stolen docs could get on board this flight. Very simple. There is no such thing as an international document database that permits a border guard in Kuala Lumpur to verify whether or not a document is accurate. Such a system does not exist.”

    WRONG! The system DOES exist! I have some credibility on this particular issue, as a pilot, as a gate agent, and as a air charter sales person. When a passport is reported stolen, it gets entered into a database available to the airlines and other port workers to verify that the documents being used are valid before people use them to travel. If the document is in this database, the document is invalidated and will not pass the verification check. The simple fact is, this database IS available to the airline and the airport if they wanted to use it…. they just choose not to use it!

    * http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/missing-passport-databases-not-routinely-checked-interpol-n48261

    So, if you have read this article, PLEASE disregard everything the writer claimed. He is absolutely ignorant on the subject!

    • BannedAgain15

      Larry Johnson may be right, as he does know a thing or two about terrorism, but what surprises me is he has not yet found a way to blame Obama for something on this. His analysis is always clouded by his hatred of Obama. So much so that now Larry Johnson sides with Putin because he hates Obama so much.. hilarious, but completely predictable!

      • KenoshaMarge

        down arrow for the predictable troll.

        • foxyladi14

          up for the down

      • Zachary DeBoer

        I can’t stand Emperor Obama, but I can’t imagine any way possible to blame him for this. I’m sure Libertarians will somehow be able to find a way to blame the U.S. Government for it though. Pathetic..

        Regarding Larry and him maybe being right. I doubt it, seriously. Maybe he understands terrorism, I don’t know. But anyone who understands terrorism I feel like they should know that China has just as big of a problem with terrorism as the United States does, maybe bigger! They have attacks frequently from Islamic Extremists and other kinds of terrorists as well. So does Russia. So does Brazil. So do most other countries in South America and Africa too. Thinking this can’t be terrorist related because it doesn’t involve a U.S. target is just naive.

        There is one more thing I forgot to mention above. It actually DOES involve a U.S. target, and that target’s name is Boeing. But even if it was a foreign aircraft manufacturer, terrorists don’t only target “westerners.” They actually target people from every hemisphere.

        I know my comment was long, but I think if you read it carefully you will see I destroy each and every one of Larry’s arguments with sources and facts. I’m not saying this incident was absolutely terrorism related, I’m just saying Larry’s arguments for saying it wasn’t are completely wrong. It very well could be that this was a catastrophic structural/mechanical failure, it could turn out the aircraft is perfectly intact and it was just stolen and landed safely somewhere while the hijackers strip the multimillion dollar jet for parts…. who knows! The only thing I do know is that Larry’s arguments are completely wrong… but I’m not saying that his hypothesis is completely wrong.

        • DianaLC

          See my comment to BannedAgain above. HE/she/it has come here under many avatars and user names to defend Obama’s every move.

          • Zachary DeBoer

            Hahaha! I know the type, thanks for the heads-up Diana :)

      • DianaLC

        Tommie, Tomimie, Tommie! Since you know LJ has Obama’s number, probably about a -100 on the IQ tests, and so knows that only equally mentally challenged people who support Obama are at the root of many of the U.S. problems right now (and LJ also realizes the same about the people who supported the neo cons under GW), you are the one who should do some soul searching since you support Obama on everything. You were probably the little mortuus lark who couldn’t understand why Obama’s pronunciation of corpsman as Corpse man was wrong.
        Laryy has quite intelligently suggested that all this speculation is worthless until we can garner some of the facts. Seems sensible to me. In doing so, he provided some reasoning that also points to the fact that it might not be terrorism.
        Take off those blinders about Obama and see the world in an entirely different light. You’ll be amazed at how blind you were if you do.

  • KenoshaMarge

    It would be so refreshing to turn on the “news” and have some talking head simply say, “We have no idea what happened but we, and numerous “experts” will now speculate and pontificate for the next 10 minutes about it.”

    Speculation and opinion masquerading as “news” is naught but a farce.

    • doc99

      Has anyone called Agent Mulder?

      • KenoshaMarge

        I believe he was one of the “experts” interviewed on MSNBC.

  • S7teen70six

    Maybe the Iranians have developed super powers while we’ve been distracted, concerned about their nuclear potential. Some Iranian gets a fake passport so he can defect to another country and *poof* right into thin air. Even Barry with his parade of smoke and mirrors can’t top that.

  • DM

    Maybe it was an accident like AA FLT 587 November 12, 2001. That plane crashed due to pilot error (That’s what we’re told). It happens. The other thing about the fake passports is that the passengers told the airline agent in Thailand to give them the cheapest fare possible, and therefore, going through Beijing was a coincidence, not a request. http://news.yahoo.com/missing-malaysian-jet-may-disintegrated-mid-air-source-002831393–sector.html

  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2

    off topic

    I had a young man ask my about Benghazi last night. He saw my bumper sticker. I reminded him what it was and how so many Americans have forgotten already. think I gave him something to think about.

    • KenoshaMarge

      Every little light in the darkness helps Helen. Keep it shining!

    • foxyladi14

      great

    • doc99

      Sharyl Atkisson has left CBS.

      • KenoshaMarge

        Good for her. A “reporter” doesn’t belong with the other Obama press agents.

  • KlugerRD

    The two stolen passports were for two Iranian nationals but it does not appear to be suspicious.

    One was seeking to get to Germany (where his mother lives) and the other to Denmark. The article notes that iranians are looking to get out of Dodge because of their bad economy and the need for a fresh start and a job.

    “US-led sanctions on Iran have plagued the economy and encouraged many young Iranians, who face high unemployment, to seek ways to travel to Europe, North America or Australia – legally or illegally.”

    So it does not appear to be two terrorists.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/10688861/Mystery-fake-passport-holders-on-flight-MH370-were-Iranian.html

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Figured it out–it was Putin’s SVR. Reason: take the spotlight off of Ukraine. And it’s working.

    • Fred82

      Are you being sarcastic?

      • Retired_from_SPOnaj

        Actually, at this point, with a complete lack of evidence, the SVR theory is just as valid as a hijacking by Alpha Reticulans.

        • KenoshaMarge

          Dang – I was wrong again. I thought it was the Borg.

  • APO_AE_09173

    The Uighur (Muslim minority in China) may have a reason to hit this flight.

    But other than that I think this is a mechanical oops.

  • Brian Kelly

    I think this assessment is spot on. I don’t believe this was an act of terrorism. The plane was at cruising altitude and disappeared. The debris field is going to be huge making finding pieces difficult. Sort of a needle in a haystack scenario. Also, I understand focusing on the oil slicks but also it seems there are reports of the plane perhaps turning around. The debris field could be over the deep jungles in Vietnam making it all but impossible to find bits and pieces of the wreckage. Let’s wait until we have recovered some of the debris before jumping to conclusions concerning terrorism. Lots of unanswered questions but remember it took almost two years to find the larger debris field on the Rio to Paris flight a few years back.

    • KlugerRD

      The flight from Rio to Paris went through a major storm. This plane did not.

      The TWA 800 was a spark that set off the center fuel tank but it was during take off and not mid flight.

      This was a very catastrophic event that blew the plane apart in seconds. That did not even happen to that plane from Rio to Paris.

  • beyond partisan

    OK, Larry, I may have listened to Coast to Coast AM one too many times, but is it possible that someone has developed a new weapon they are testing, one that could pulverize an airplane without being detected by radar? While I am not a believer in the conspiracy theories that such a weapon was used to take down the buildings for 9/11, I certainly think there’s a lot more to what goes on behind the scenes than governments let us know.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Fortunately, no. We’re not there yet.

  • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

    One other point to consider. The absence of a debris field suggests to me that this was a mechanical failure of some sort that took out the comms and put the plane into a fatal dive. If it was a catastrophic decompression or bomb we should be finding wreckage spread out over a wide area. So far, nothing.

  • S7teen70six

    Considering there have been zero political statements or claims of responsibility for this tragedy, slapping the terrorism label on it seems a little far fetched at this point.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    For some reason, this event strikes me as the 2014 version of the movie, “Fate is the Hunter.”

  • HARP2

    Whatever happened, it hinges around the fact that there was no mention of trouble or no mayday call.
    Apparently the pilot was a 30 year professional so we can likely rule out suicide.
    That leaves some sort of catastrophic event, either on purpose or mechanical.
    Lack of debris field is also baffling at this point.

    • KlugerRD

      “Lack of debris field”

      Just shows how much of this planet is water.

  • ME

    Do you ever wonder what it is about human nature that makes us fear terrorism more than say, an accident? Somebody on the news was expressing relief that it probably wasn’t terrorism, like that was cause for celebration or something. A few hundred people were just killed! Oh well, as long as it wasn’t terrorism…? I swear, our media is just perverse at this point.

    • S7teen70six

      And the whole team at MSLSD is just so relieved that the two guys with bogus passports weren’t black.

      For a while there Melissa Harris Perry was frantically deciding between Kotex, Playtex and Tampax accessories. Finally agreeing on the practical, elegant choice, Pearls.

      • beyond partisan

        Oh my! Hahah

      • HARP2

        Damn….I hope she doesn’t have a bracelet and broach to go with that.

        • KenoshaMarge

          I don’t think she does. If she did she’s just tacky enough to wear them.

  • samb1

    Maybe a soft target?
    just saying or maybe just a happening.
    Just the same God rest their souls.
    If this was terrorism I don’t believe they would tell us anyway.
    Which makes me wonder how many others have met the same fate?

  • KlugerRD

    Terrorism is possible but it would have nothing to do with people in Malaysia or the West.

    It would have to do with China – the destination – and there were about 150 people from China on that flight.

    If you recall this past week there was a terrorist incident at a railroad station in China where about 20 or 30 were killed. It was carried out by a separatist group from Xinjiang in northwest China. The group is Turkic Uighur Muslim militants and there have been problems between them and the Chinese government.

    That would be a possibility.

    • wyntre

      DeMille’s “Night Fall” presents an intriguing treatment of that incident.

  • Savannahlawyer

    Even if the plane’s disappearance/destruction was intentional, that does not make it terrorism. It could just be plain old, ordinary crime.
    Two things are certain. One, we don’t know what happened (terrorism, criminal, mechanical failure, or even shipping something not advisable for air transport- who knows). Secondly, TSA will undoubtedly implement more useless procedures to subject upon us.

  • KenoshaMarge

    I don’t know enough about terrorism to know if this was or was not an act of terrorism. At this point in time neither does anyone else. So why does the damn media hype the idea? Because terrorism is worth many days of hysterical speculation and sensation and experts by the dozen.

    A plane crash? Sad and horrible for those on the plane and their families but not all that good for ratings.

    The media is so ghoulish it disgusts me.

  • HELENK2

    Last week during an unannounced missile test by North Korea there was a near miss with a Chinese passenger plane. anybody else in that part of the world doing any testing?
    Would it show on radar or any satellite info? reason I ask is that whatever happened to the plane happen so quickly there was no mayday call

    • beyond partisan
      • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

        Sorry. But that’s total bullshit from Aaron. The plane was too high for the shoulder fired manpads. Again, why does someone shootdown a commercial airliner two hours into a flight and not claim credit?

        • HELENK2

          what if it was a country doing missile testing, not a terrorist group. Would the country admit it? It would have world wide condemnation.
          IF the NK missile had hit that plane it would have been ugly.
          can our satellite track missile testing without notice?

          these are just questions, not theories I know less then most about this kind of thing

          • beyond partisan

            Yes, that’s what I was wondering too.

          • KlugerRD

            Wouldn’t the missile show up on radar?

  • DianaLC

    It’s another sad event to make the world an even sadder place lately. I just can’t imagine being a family member and waiting to see if they can find the wreckage, etc.
    I think, however, in regard to the speculation about terrorism, that I heard that some 20 or so people on the plane were employees of an American firm. I heard it in passing a television but couldn’t stop to listen to it all.
    I just hope they are eventually able to figure out what happened. I hope more that they don’t find out it was the pilots’s fault as in that other one. I don’t know what would be considered a “better” cause, but what a thing for the pilot’s family to bear.

  • elizabethrc

    While I bow to your expertise where I have none, wack jobs like Richard Reeves, the shoe bomber, exist and maybe this was simply mere coincidence that two people had stolen IDs. Is it possible whoever did this if indeed it was a terror bombing, did it to show that they could, just because? Rational minds don’t seem to be all that common among radicals.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      One act is meaningless to the world. Very meaningful for the families who have lost loved ones, but otherwise a useless gesture. Let’s assume this was a terrorist attack against a muslim airline. So what? What are the likely consequences? At a minimum, tougher aviation security in Muslim countries. So, how does that help strengthen extremists? Makes it easier to catch them.

      • beyond partisan

        What about the terrorist group that claimed that this plane crash was supposedly related to the recent knife attack in China? Or is that just an example of terrorists taking claim for something they did not do?

        • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

          I think they would take credit for the earth orbiting the Sun.

          • beyond partisan

            LOL!

          • foxyladi14

            If they could. lol

          • KenoshaMarge

            If they did the media would cover it and speculate Ad nauseam.

      • elizabethrc

        I’m just not sure irrational minds think in terms of consequences. Just a thought.