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Sy Hersh Bombshells Expose Obama’s Fraud in Syria and Benghazi–UPDATE

Sy Hersh is out today with an explosive, damning piece of investigative journalism that completely dismantles the fable on Syria and Benghazi that President Obama and his national security team, including Hillary Clinton, tried to foist on America.

The article, The Red Line and the Rat Line, is in the London Review of Books. Mr. Hersh once again reminds the world why he is the preeminent investigative journalist. The key revelations are that:

The United States had a covert program, which was disguised as a liaison effort with the Brits, to move weapons from Libya to Syria via Turkey. This program was never briefed to the Congress.

Two months after the September 2012 attack on the CIA installation in Benghazi, the United States suspended the weapons supply program, which in turn angered the Turks and the Saudis.

The US intelligence community, the DIA specifically, knew as early as June 2013 that Syrian Islamic extremists fighting against President Assad had an active program to produce and use sarin and were receiving support from the Turks.

By the summer of 2013, the Turks were worried that the tide had turned against the Syrian rebels and decided to create an incident that would compel the United States to take military action.

Within days of the 21 August attack, British intelligence informed the United States, specifically the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, that the sarin used had come from the rebels, not the Syrian Government.

The US military drew their own red line and refused to proceed with an attack in Syria, which is why Obama reversed course so suddenly and turned to Congress.

Once you read Sy’s piece you will have a better understanding of how badly Obama has botched US foreign policy in the Middle East. It is not just incompetence. It is dangerous hubris that the intrepid Mr. Hersh has exposed.

UPDATE–Here is Sy from Amy Goodman’s show this morning.

  • Scst Sos

    Who cares? By 2016 Iscan will be gone for good. It was Libya, now China in Asia.. and the American people will have to take responsibility for the ruins created by Iscan!

  • PoliticalMayhem

    Geez no votes and a cancelled Hollywood movie must mean no nomination.

    She is a complacent swinger. We don’t need the polyamourous Clintons in office. Ever.

  • PoliticalMayhem

    Just like he says in this lengthy conversation, and yes I have watched ALL OF IT, The UN declared it was the Syrian REBELS, NOT THE ASSAD REGIME who staged the ricin gas genocide attacks.

    Obama bought it and DID NOTHING, just like Benghazi. HE is capable of doing the same here in the US and indeed has ignited everyone from Putin to China to NK. We cannot afford WW3 because of this man OBAMA, IMPEACH HIM OR ARREST HIM BUT GET HIM OUT OF POWER NOW.

    America is dead tired of the Hitler era propaganda and Muslim terror nodes such as Assad and Obama.

    Putin offered in August during Obamas Russia visit to aid if the US struck the Assad regime and OBAMA REFUSED PUTIN in 2013, and now Russia wants war with us as our press has been seized by the state and government and feeds us lies that an outer space comet hit Russia not once but twice since February and that 1500 were injured and the second ‘comet’ missed any real target. LIES LIES LIES.

    Obama is bombing Russia in secret and he is a GLOBAL TERRORIST and must BE ARRESTED NOW!!!!!!!!

    We the American people do NOT ASK WE DEMAND Barrack Hussein Obama’s REMOVAL THROUGH ARREST.

    A civil war here in America is on everyones lips since the Occupy protesters were pepper sprayed and left to freeze to death and starve in droves. There are tens of thousands of homeless here in this country from the recession and the ACA is unconstitutional and gives him the power to search and seize all who do not choose to spend half their annual income on an illegal mandated health care program only 8 million have signed up for (I hear the enrollment is less than 2 million paid for a plan) and he is covering that up as well, giving the IRS UNPRECEDENTED Power over normal civilians to imprison us for noncompliance.

    The Overpass movement is rallying and gaining demanding his impeachment and if they dont get their way through peaceful means of protest its not hard to guess whats next.

    Forget civil war, it looks more like WW3 has already begun with the Syrian Holocaust and Obama is begetting terror upon the globe.

  • S7teen70six

    Yes, the pajama boyification of “rational” discourse.

  • KenoshaMarge

    OT and probably unimportant but has anyone else noticed when watching “The Five”, among other programs, that many sentences begin with “So”, for no decernable reason. Anyone else notice that? Anyone else annoyed by that? Perrino and Tantaros are the worst although Bolling does it too. WTF? My grammar leaves a great deal to be desired so if I am noticing something untoward it must be bad.

    • DianaLC

      Kenosha, it’s being used as a “place marker” because they are being too lazy to begin their sentences with a more “erudite” phrase.
      I even wrote to O’Reilly to complain that he always says “so therefore,” a redundancy and something that used to be marked that way when English teacher knew how to mark papers for grammatical mistakes and other mistakes against clear reasoning.
      It drives me crazy every time I hear Mr. Blowhard, I am Always Right, O’Reilly.

      • KenoshaMarge

        Thanks for the response DianaLC. I wondered if I was just being picky, but given my own frequent lapses doubted that. I tend to use “and” and “but” frequently when I should not. If I notice I change it.
        I’m just one old lady in Wisconsin who tries to speak and write as correctly as I know how and as I was taught many, many years ago.
        It agravates me that people who use words as a tool of their profession are so sloppy.

      • Deapster

        Good description DLC – a “place marker” like “you know”, another annoying insertion of no substance.

        Also a way to keep control the the flow of conversation, and make it appear there are connections when in fact there may not be. A lawyer might say it is a subtle way to “lead the witness”.

        So ……….

      • stodghie

        i agree about o’reilly. as an english major in college i blush and admit that i have lapsed into less than stellar grammar when i post online. it is mostly a bad habit for me now. i can always use a reminder. lol

    • S7teen70six

      Your last sentence perfectly describes the phenomenon. As you state properly, something factual was realized (My grammar leaves a great deal to be desired) which caused you to proffer a supposition (so if I am noticing something untoward it must be bad). What folks do these days is proffer a supposition without first offering a factual cause. In other words, they are babbling. Making it seem as if they know something by telling you a story. None of which is true.

      • KenoshaMarge

        Noticed that Gutfeld also starts many sentence with “so” when I watched part of “The Five” last night. He writes books and is also guilty of this grammarical faux pas too?

        • S7teen70six

          Yes, the pajama boyification of rational discourse.

          • DB1954

            Gutfeld is the issue here?

  • BannedAgain19

    “damning piece of investigative journalism that completely dismantles the fable on Syria and Benghazi that President Obama and his national security team, including Hillary Clinton, tried to foist on America.”

    Boy, that is a really “damning piece”..?! not sure where you are getting the “damning” part from though…?

    There is not one word in the entire piece accusing the Obama Administration of wrong doing or negligence. Please give us a quote in the Hersh piece where he suggests or accuses the Obama Administration of doing anything wrong!? You cannot because there is absolutely no wrong doing suggested regarding Syria and no wrong doing suggested regarding Benghazi in the article.

    Seems like Obama did exactly the right thing by postponing an airstrike on Syria and then getting the Syrians to give up their chemical weapons. He played it perfectly. The “Red Line” got the Syrians to give up their chemical weapons, which ultimately was the goal and was achieved.

    If we listen to the Republicans, including not only hawks like McCain and Graham, but also Romney and say Rubio, we would pretty much have U.S. military boots on the ground and be embroiled in another war right now in Syria.

    Again, Obama did exactly the right thing regarding Syria. It was a victory to get Assad to give up his chemical weapons.

    I find this statement interesting: “The former intelligence official said the Russian who delivered the sample to the UK…”

    So it was the “trustworthy” Russians who delivered the “sample”. Weren’t the Russians on the side of Bashar al-Assad?

    I thought you said Larry Johnson that we were waiting for a Russian report that would prove the Rebels were responsible for the sarin gas attack. Where is the report? All we got is this no source very short article from Sy Hersh. Funny, but you seem to love and praise Sy Hersh only when it is convenient for you. Typical Larry Johnson.

    There are plenty out there casting doubt on this Sy Hersh piece…. but, Larry Johnson just eats it right up.. I think S7teen70six below gives a link to a good article about that…

    • KenoshaMarge

      down arrow for windbag troll

      • Deapster

        Up arrow for your accurate assessment.

    • DianaLC

      Here we go–when you have no knowledge about right or wrong or about how things are supposed to work for the head executive of the U.S. under a Constitution, all I can assume is that this is true.
      (By the way, your are so predictable, many here knew the things your would right and predicted it. It’s funny that you didn’t write until know since there are “crickets” only chirping at the MSM and even Fox about this story. Give it time, idiot.)

    • Deapster

      Feels safe to crawl out from under your rock again, eh. Did I predict it, or what? I knew the obots would emerge with the “Obama saved us from war” take on this article. Bingo. Right on schedule, which means this article is finally getting legs.

      Your forces have been doing a real number trying to destroy Hersh’s credibility, which you had to attempt first before you dared raise your own stupid head here again.

      Not buying your politics of personal destruction as the chief operating procedure of the Democratic Party. Your emergence only proves my point. Scram, kiddie.

      No sale. Obama is in deep too-doo on this one. Otherwise you would not even be here. You played your hand. Can’t take it back now.

      • BannedAgain19

        an unsourced article is hardly proof of anything.. why don’t you answer the question I pose? Can you give us a quote in the Hersh piece that says that the Obama Administration did anything wrong or was negligent of anything? simple request..

        • Sharknado

          Deny, deny, deny…brain dead zombie liberals…game over!

          • PoliticalMayhem

            Don;t worry its probably one of his Muslim West African moles!

      • PoliticalMayhem

        Obama REMANDED IN CUFFS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE NOW, along with Pelosi, Holder, and Boehner!

    • PoliticalMayhem

      Putin OFFERED to strike Assad and the regime in Syria in August 2013 provided the US land first fire and Obama DECLINED.

      Russia had two ‘outer space comets’ hit since February and 1500 people were injured on the first so called piece of ‘space material’.

      WHAT A LIE!!!!!!!! DOES HE THINK AMERICA, and PUTIN are THAT STUPID???? GET THAT MAN OUT OF OUR WHITE HOUSE AND INSIDE A CELL NOW!

  • S7teen70six

    A very interesting read… Seymour Hersh: the backlash.

    • jbjd

      I had read some of the backlash. The author of the article you linked counters critics by suggesting Hersh is credible in the present because he has been credible in the past. I would add, the criticism against Hersh’s claim that Turkey provided assistance to Syrian rebels to produce sarin gas, would gain traction if accompanied by an innocuous explanation as to why the Turkish ambassador was meeting with Amb. Steven at the CIA annex in Brenghazi. (Surely not to smuggle Khaddafy’s weapons stockpiles to those same rebels…)

      • Deapster

        To be sure no one misses your query:

        jbjd:

        ……” would gain traction if accompanied by an innocuous explanation as to why the Turkish ambassador was meeting with Amb. Steven at the CIA annex in Brenghazi.” …….

  • Deapster

    May trigger Godwin’s law, but it hits all the high points others have concluded about Obamacare:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/04/hilarious__hitler_parody_video_on_losing_his_doctor_under_obamacare.html

    PS: Even American Thinker has not picked up the Hersh story — very, very strange.

  • Deapster

    It never ends: Obama to attend $64,000 a couple fund-raiser combined with his Ft Hood Memorial Service appearance.

    http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/04/08/report-obama-to-attend-dem-fundraiser-in-texas-same-day-as-fort-hood-memorial/

    Last I checked, he is termed-out and does not need to be fund-raising for anything. I hope he gets booed once the families know about this little scam to get the taxpayers to pay for his visit.

  • Deapster

    OT: Attention California readers.

    Breitbart starts new California watch page: http://www.breitbart.com/breitbart-california

  • Deapster

    OT: breaking news – Obama Lies Again

    Health insurance premiums rise at record levels, despite Obama’s recent lie that Obamacare has caused their lowest rise in years. Seven Pinocchios for that one.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/07/survey-u-s-sees-sharpest-health-insurance-premium-increases-in-years/?advD=1248,657950

  • TeakWoodKite

    Good interview on John Batchlor Larry with you Col Lang. Thanks.
    “….The New York Times published a retraction…sort of… its like reading Pravda..”

    LOL Sy has a great sense of irony.

    • S7teen70six

      A link to the podcast.

      • DianaLC

        Thanks!

  • Deapster

    After watching the Goodman-Hersh tape, why does this Benghazi operation sound so much like Fast And Furious – US helping to smuggle weapons in to Syria, which in turn get used against their alleged nefarious own interests.

    • TeakWoodKite

      Because in both cases they are seditious acts of treason and in both cases Barry Soetoro supports the death of innocents.

      • Deapster

        Gosh, I thought it was because we had a total rookie in the WH calling the shots with Attention Deficit Disorder, no retentive learning and a life history as a pathological liar.

        Time to put BHO on the impeachment short list. 2014 elections will be very telling. Wonder what Barky’s October Surprise will be this time to screw the whole pooch.

    • stodghie

      right on deapster! very good point!

    • Sharknado

      I would call the Obamination’s administration a rat infested criminal organization worse than the Sopranos…but that would be doing a disservice to Tony and the boys…at least they held themselves to a code.

  • Deapster

    Yo, …… Drudge goes for the NCAA Finals.

    • elizabethrc

      For the first time in my life I am proud of Connecticut!!!

  • HARP2

    Senate votes to bar proposed Iran U.N. ambassador from country

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/08/us-iran-un-envoy-senate-idUSBREA3621720140408

    • Deapster

      Uh oh, that goes against the pro-UN WH agenda.

      The Soros Sisters love the UN, and what it to take over more and more of the US role, establishing global security.

      • Fred82

        Since when has the UN ever carried out a successful operation?

        Well, I guess Korea was a modest success. Since Korea, I can’t think of a single one.

        • elizabethrc

          Hmmm, Hillary must secretly be in charge there.
          She and they are the only entities which can set out to create a horse which ends up looking like a camel.

        • Deapster

          Just finished Halberstam’s The Longest Winter about the Korean War and while nominally it was a UN operation, it was mainly a horrible US body count with a pretty high dereliction of duty by Gen MacArthur.

          Plus cut-and-run was the most salient feature of the Rep of Korea troops at that time. They went on to be a credible force in Viet-nam, but not back then. Korean War was a wretched blood bath under the worst possible conditions.

          Recent first visit to South Korea last month was one of the most engaging countries we have recently visited. The contrast between what we saw and what I had been reading about during the Korean War days was most stark.

  • Deapster

    The Guardian takes on Seymour Hersh – he did ruffle feathers in the arcane world of “journalism”:

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/media-blog/2013/sep/27/seymour-hersh-obama-nsa-american-media

  • Deapster

    Commentary website: Seymour Hersh’s “latest conspiracy”:

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2014/04/07/seymour-hershs-latest-conspiracy-theory/

    Politics of personal destruction on Commentary take down the messenger; and not deal with the message:

    …….. “Today, rather than personify responsible journalism, Hersh seems to embody a political agenda which leads him to fit square pegs into round holes, cherry pick what works, and discard what doesn’t.

    A 2007 article on jihadis in Lebanon was a real embarrassment to the New Yorker, as other analysts quickly tore it apart. ………

    • KenoshaMarge

      I used to read Commentary Magazine every day. Now? Seldom. It is the bastion of the “old guard” in the Republican Party IMHO. I do like some of the Jonathan Tobin articles from time to time but IMHO Peter Wehner is establishment writ large. JMO

    • elizabethrc

      They would know about political agendas, I suspect.

  • S7teen70six

    The update demonstrates that this has been offered to the liberals to digest. Where, if anywhere, it goes from there is anyone’s guess. I have yet to see this presented or discussed on any “conservative” site. I , for one, am grateful that it is being offered and discussed here.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Shame on the conservatives. Once again, ideology takes precedence over truth.

      • KenoshaMarge

        Is there ever a time with politicians when ideology doesn’t trump truth?

    • KenoshaMarge

      “Conservatives” are so busy playing politics and trying not to lose in 2014 as opposed to winning that they are afraid of their own shadow. Nothing new there.
      Also, we all know that the Republican Party, once in power, is little better than the Dems, although I admit once the Dems got power in 2008 they really went off the rails.
      Neither party is anything to brag about, few politicians are worth our time or effort and as usual we will be looking for the least bad people to lead. Sad.

      • PoliticalMayhem

        We are not afraid of our shadow at all.

        We fear Barrack Hussein Obama. He allowed a holocaust in Syria. He is capable of a holocaust against the American people and mustt be remanded away in CUFFS FROM OUR WHITE HOUSE. SURROUND THE WH IN CRIME SCENE TAPE ARREST HIM.

        The Syrian people now in concentration camps rivaling Auschwitz and STARVING in leagues have been abandoned and neglected by this horrific DO NOTHING administration which basically aids and abbetts full scale GENOCIDE, against CHRISTIANS WHO SPEAK THE LANGUAGE OF THE JEWS which HITLER and ASSAD want to exterminate along with Obama and the WITCH Pelosi. Remand the traitors in cuffs! Take them to the HAUGE BY THE UN! CALL GENEVA CONVENE!

        BUT GET RID OF THEM BY THE GRACE OF GOD…. FLY THEM TO INTERNATIONAL CRIME COURT AND TRY THEM FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AND NEGLECT TO COLLABORATE WITH GENOCIDE.

        • KenoshaMarge

          Over the top.

  • no_longer_a_democrat

    And Hillary wants to be president!?!?!

    I can’t believe I voted for this fool in 2008 in the undemocratic primaries!

    • elizabethrc

      They’ve got to change their bottled water supplier for Congress people. How else to explain why intelligent people newly elected to office can change so drastically in such a short span of time?

    • Deapster

      Things will change only when voters stop selling their votes to special interests. Doesn’t pay to blame the politicians when we the People keep electing them.

      Watched this recently at the local level when perfectly good, talented and independent people were willing to run and voters yet again went for the candidate who was expensively backed by the local special interest groups (the local employee unions).

      They always say, we get the government we deserve. And at some level we still must think the candidate that “raises” the most money is thus validated as the most worthy candidate. The extra money is spent primarily polishing up their image of worthiness, that is for sure.

      Overlooking totally, that very same person has now been pre-purchased by special interest groups who very quickly call in their cards.

    • stodghie

      because then they’d be out the door if they allowed the constitution to flourish as the founding fathers intended.

    • doc99

      Politicians are like diapers. Both should be changed often, and for the same reason. Mark Twain

    • JohnnyTwoDog

      Too busy being pro full of shit.

  • Deapster

    WSJ op-ed (4/7/14) asks for an independent select committee to investigate Benghazi. Too date, little rings true about the various official charades passing as Benghazi hearings.

    Fingers continue to point at BHO and HRC who also to date have escaped direct scrutiny as this incident’s primary players. There will be no resolution until they are forced to participate under oath regarding this long-troubling matter.

  • Savannahlawyer

    What I found fascinating was the gold for gas trade between Turkey and Iran. On one hand turkey is doing everything to make Syria its client state while Iran is trying to keep Syria as its client state. All the while the two are engaged in their gold for gas dealings (which Obama tried to simultaneously curtail and keep going). To me, that just sums up how “complex” (read “fucked up”) that whole region is.

  • Deapster

    When will this Hersh article link on Drudge?

    • beyond partisan

      Send Drudge a tip – it’s on his site somewhere.

      • Deapster

        Done. Suggest others follow suit with the link to Hersh’s article. Scroll down the right side of Drudge for the “send a tip” box and insert the link with any other message you feel is important.

        • elizabethrc

          Also done for Breitbart.

          • Deapster

            The guy is a well-known, competent writer. Not sure why the black-out.

            Did he not do/say something controversial however to those chattering classes in the media a few years back? Maybe he got black-listed.

            I for one always eagerly read everything he puts out.

            • elizabethrc

              Honest writing is so out of vogue.
              I’m sending Krauthammer an email asking him to address it. I think I’ll do the same for several other FOX folks.

              • PoliticalMayhem

                You dolts, the media in the US is now state run.

                All unpaid interns and rich democrats and STATE RUN.

                That executive order hidden off in the ACA where he can seize media, mines and mineral rights, and farms? Yeah.

                He can seize you if youre not one of his 8 million sheep too.

                I guess if you ever even set foot in a Christian church for so much as a potluck or wedding you will be as disposable as the homeless during Occupy.

  • jbjd

    LJ, thank you so much for linking this story. I read and re-read every syllable and then, read all Mr. Hersh’s linked stories. I particularly was gobsmacked by this excerpt:

    In January, the Senate Intelligence Committee released a report on the assault by a local militia in September 2012 on the American consulate and a nearby undercover CIA facility in Benghazi, which resulted in the death of the US ambassador, Christopher Stevens, and three others. The report’s criticism of the State Department for not providing adequate security at the consulate, and of the intelligence community for not alerting the US military to the presence of a CIA outpost in the area, received front-page coverage and revived animosities in Washington, with Republicans accusing Obama and Hillary Clinton of a cover-up. A highly classified annex to the report, not made public, described a secret agreement reached in early 2012 between the Obama and Erdoğan administrations. It pertained to the rat line. By the terms of the agreement, funding came from Turkey, as well as Saudi Arabia and Qatar; the CIA, with the support of MI6, was responsible for getting arms from Gaddafi’s arsenals into Syria. A number of front companies were set up in Libya, some under the cover of Australian entities. Retired American soldiers, who didn’t always know who was really employing them, were hired to manage procurement and shipping. The operation was run by David Petraeus, the CIA director who would soon resign when it became known he was having an affair with his biographer. (A spokesperson for Petraeus denied the operation ever took place.)

    The operation had not been disclosed at the time it was set up to the congressional intelligence committees and the congressional leadership, as required by law since the 1970s. The involvement of MI6 enabled the CIA to evade the law by classifying the mission as a liaison operation. The former intelligence official explained that for years there has been a recognised exception in the law that permits the CIA not to report liaison activity to Congress, which would otherwise be owed a finding. (All proposed CIA covert operations must be described in a written document, known as a ‘finding’, submitted to the senior leadership of Congress for approval.) Distribution of the annex was limited to the staff aides who wrote the report and to the eight ranking members of Congress – the Democratic and Republican leaders of the House and Senate, and the Democratic and Republicans leaders on the House and Senate intelligence committees.This hardly constituted a genuine attempt at oversight: the eight leaders are not known to gather together to raise questions or discuss the secret information they receive.

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/2014/04/06/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

    In short: the President directed a gun smuggling operation from Libya, to Syrian rebels, via Turkey, taking advantage of a loophole in the law not to inform Congress in advance. Both R and D members of the Intelligence Committees, including Mike Rogers, whose wife, Kristi, was then CEO of Aegis, the company providing security to the State Dept. in Benghazi, were informed after the fact.

    Now, why do you suppose Boehner refused to appoint a select committee to investigate what happened in Benghazi; or why Rogers is leaving Congress to start a radio show?

    • Deapster

      Let me also repeat your gob-smacking observation as well, that proves yet again the value of keeping ahead of these connections previously linked on NQ:

      jbjd: ….”Both R and D members of the Intelligence Committees, including Mike Rogers, whose wife, Kristi, was then CEO of Aegis, the company providing security to the State Dept. in Benghazi, were informed after the fact.

      Now, why do you suppose Boehner refused to appoint a select committee to investigate what happened in Benghazi; or why Rogers is leaving Congress to start a radio show?: …….

      • stodghie

        good point

    • DianaLC

      I am still wondering about the Saudis in regard to this. I do not believe that if they were supplying any of the money for this operation, the loophole could apply. I think LJ mentioned that a while back.
      In any case, the lie about the sarin gas is a big one. And I do remember the cancelled vote about whether or not to do the bombing may have also had a lot to do with general public feeling at the time, the feeling was definitely toward a “NO” vote in the polls.

      • jbjd

        I couldn’t say; I haven’t looked up the law. But I recall thinking at the time, Obama changed his mind because of the uproar that no one had definitively linked the use of sarin gas to the Syrian government. I recall several people posting throughout the blogosphere that they had contacted their representatives protesting, the President’s claim the Syrian government used sarin gas was not a fact. I recall, the MSM spun this public sentiment against intervention so as to hide the belief the President was making up the story; instead, attributing this to the public’s general objections to entering another conflict.

        • stodghie

          i have heard just as sy hersh stated the military told obama no. they have told him no on some other bad plans as well.

          • DianaLC

            See my comment above.

            • stodghie

              dianalc your comments are most always very good and on point as they are here. however i don’t see a connection to the military telling O no unless perhaps they too followed popular sentiment.

              • DianaLC

                After reading the post by LJ of the Hersh article, yes the military was the main reason. But all the other factors did have a part in O’s decision, I’m sure. O is not as Hitler was in the sense that Hitler threw out his generals and did the planning at the end. O–a girly boy–had never even thought of military poer. He was a “community organizer.” When the “community” shows signs of really turning on him, it adds to his decision.
                What would Hitler have done in that situation with the generals?
                Again, I know we are not supposed to raise the name of Hitler. But using past narcissistic leaders as touch stones is helpful to understand the mindset of the guy better.
                Did you study the section on the plans he had for his bombing? A little bomb, my foot.
                I am fully convinced by no other thing but my studying this man that he really wanted to start this war and that he had to know that the sarin was not Assad’s.
                He was sure the useful idots in the country would back his reasoning about sarin coming from Assad, but having the generals know and the polls out there showing that the intelligent people in the country weren’t buying it, all that contributed.
                I clearly remember this from my perspective and from many here at the time.

                • stodghie

                  in the particular case of assad i have to agree that the influence of public opinion and among politicians made a strong case and built a fire under O’s backside to influence his pulling back. nice response thanks!

                  • DianaLC

                    This man just creeps me out so much. I read about those plans, I saw his almost total lack of concern over the four dead in Benghazi. I remembered his statement about being “good at killing,” an I just truly believe that like the FBI informant said in the video about his time with Bomber Billy Ayers, this man is someone who truly does not respect human life (well his votes on late term abortion also show that). I am convinced that if he could have gotten away with the lie about where the sarin came from, it wouldn’t have mattered to him in the least. He is just a murderer at heart, but he doesn’t want to appear that way.

                    • PoliticalMayhem

                      Obama thinks informants deserve death or further imprisonment.

                      His stance on whistleblowers is worse.

                      I wonder what he would do if encountered with an Aramaeic and Hebrew speaking White US born Christian? Probably kill.

          • PoliticalMayhem

            Then the military should go ARREST OBAMA RIGHT NOW.

        • DianaLC

          You are right, of course, but my point is that it seemed at the time that he stepped back in the face of public opposition. I was one who sent emails to my Congressmen telling them to vote NO, and I had three male Dems to write to.

          • KenoshaMarge

            When you have politicians, on both sides of the aisle who act and react not by what is right or best but by what is politically expedient you get this kind of a shambles.
            When you have a corrupt media that refuses to write about or investigate anything that shows their idol has feel of clay you get this kind of a shambles.
            And when you have an opposition to this administration like McCain and his goofy sidekick Graham, well shambles doesn’t begin to cover it.

            • S7teen70six

              Mayberry might have had Barney Fife but they also had an Andy Griffith to sort things out and set things right. No sense insulting a wonderful show by in any way comparing their antics to these bozos in Congress and the White House.

        • PoliticalMayhem

          Syria has a holocaust situation and massive genocide from a starvation exodus is right now occuring.

          IMPRISON OBAMA FOR NEGLIGENCE AND TREASON.

      • PoliticalMayhem

        Aren’t you worried that our US state run and seized media is running a tale that two ‘comet’s hit Russia since February, one of them injuring 1500?

        And all the DOD taking a break from Call of Duty to comment about space aliens and meteors?

        Sure. Buy it all.

    • S7teen70six

      Boehner is not protecting Rogers, he is protecting himself. Always Tan is one of the 8 members of Congress that was read into this operation, according to Hersh (and Popsmoke).

      • jbjd

        Oh, yes, I in no way meant to imply any protective relationship between those two. I am saying, I am now confident each man has his own reasons for avoiding a full vetting of Benghazi, other than a belief, not that much went wrong. People assumed (generally) the rationale for not demanding appointment of a select committee was that, Boehner (and Rogers, too) didn’t ‘get’ how serious was what we assumed was a cover-up. I only meant to hint, each man likely knows how bad this was, and wants to avoid further scrutiny for other reasons.

    • TeakWoodKite

      “not alerting the US military to the presence of a CIA outpost in the area”.
      I do not think this is correct. I believe our mil knew even if informally. I can’t imagine Petraus not telling the combatant commander of this operation…or at least the DIA

      • jbjd

        Since the attack, I have read dozens of pages of official policies and procedures governing everything from who is authorized to provide security for whom; to what aircraft must be ‘on call’ in foreign ‘outposts.’ Whether people in the area ‘know’ who else is around, I am certain, the CIA, having circumvented Congress, also failed to abide by established security protocols requiring notice to, say, Africom.

        • TeakWoodKite

          I agree with what your saying except this op was run out of Motel 1600 not the CIA. Also since there is a strong wiff of Merc soup coming from the the Motel 1600 kitchenette and chefs who happen to be “retired military” ….it very hard to believe on a non official manner Petraus would not have given Africom (General Hamm) a wink wink nod nod.

  • Popsmoke

    Well lets not JUST point the finger at Obama… The Republicans under McCain and his wife Lindsey and many of that party also need go be held accountable. Let’s not forget holding our partners accountable like the French, Turks and Saudis. There is violation of US Law here but neither dems and reps will push for accountability. To many hands in this mess…
    So we continue our dangerous game now in the Ukraine backing another extreme group trained by our buddies the Turks and funded by the “peoples suckers club” otherwise known as the American Taxpayers to the tune of a total to date of $6bn…
    Worse than that we allow so-called NGOs like the National Endowment for Democracy to play CIA and overthrow democratically elected governments, which is really why Putin outlawed them in Russia causing real social services NGOs to suffer. Not to mention the stupidity we just did playing twitter in Cuba…
    So the real question is going to be, will WE hold both parties accountable for this crap or are we just part of the insanity?

    • Deapster

      Thank the Tea Party, when handing out kudos and raspberries. Big War is Big Government and Big Spending.

      Small government becomes an even more critical movement in this country when we see what Big Government can and will do with a blank check.

    • Deapster

      Raspberries for Soros and his AVAAZ group as well – fronting a lot of this Syria agenda.

    • DianaLC

      Will we hold both parties accountable? Yes, I’ve been angry all along that the only question the committees were aiming to answer was a political one: Was the lie in the talking points about the “spontaneous demonstration” made for political reasons before an election?
      No one on the committees ever seemed to want to face the obvious problems: What was were the people in the CIA Annex, something that was supposed to be secret but that everyone knew about, doing? Why did it appear that the CIA Annex was the real target of the attack?
      Sometimes it seems to me that our people elected to Congress don’t really do anything except for show.

    • KenoshaMarge

      Absolutely hold both parties accountable! Excusing one side or another because that’s “our” side is showing less integrity than the fools we elected.

      • PoliticalMayhem

        Who elects anything when people like Devyhani get to cast our votes at the polls for us using our SSN and passports?

        As sanctioned by Obama?

    • doc99

      Politicians are like diapers. Both should be changed often… and for the same reason. Mark Twain

      • S7teen70six

        Double like!

    • PoliticalMayhem

      Fine I wont just point fingers at Obama, its also Pelosi, Holder and Boehner who deserve to go to prison and be tried for treason.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Will NO Obama/Hillary supporter on these pages agree that this I worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize for Hillary?

    • DianaLC

      I’ve been coming back to this site occasionally throughout the day with bated breath. I couldn’t wait to experience the twisted thinking they were going to display to excuse their obot programmers for this sick episode of so-called leadership.
      I was betting on the blame FOX for keeping it in the news logic–you know, the kill the messenger angle.

      • SantaFeK

        Me too, Diana LC. This is a HUGE story.

    • Deapster

      My guess is the obots don’t even want to draw any attention to this article, and will not be responding to it at all.

      The article is too credible and fills in too many of the gaps people were sensing about this whole mess, but just could not put their fingers on.

      Now Obama has been fingered. Flip that one off, Barky.

      • PoliticalMayhem

        They are too busy ammassing in turbans.

    • Popsmoke

      I will nominate Hillaery for the Nobel! Provding she personally accepts the award in Benghazi…..right on the exact spot where they found our Ambassador!

      • KenoshaMarge

        On September 11, 2014?

      • KlugerRD

        and with the same lack of security she was responsible for.

      • S7teen70six

        Can we throw her a parade? Nothing special. Just mortars, RPGs and 50 cals.

      • doc99

        What difference does it make?

        • Popsmoke

          You Clinton’s speech writer?

      • PoliticalMayhem

        Um hill leary?

        • Popsmoke

          You get a cookie…..

    • Fred82

      They are probably saving Hilary’s Nobel Peace Prize for when she is sworn in as the 45th President of the United States in 2017.

      I would like to think Benghazi killed that possibility but I am not so sure, especially given the MSM’s new status as partisan cheerleader number one.

      • PoliticalMayhem

        Sure, what case did you plan up to frame the Republicans so we can’t vote this time, either?

        Which Middle Eastern foreigners did you sell our passports to this time?

        SUFFRAGE FOR EX CONS AND STOP LETTING THE DEMS PREVENT REPUBLICANS FROM GETTING TO A POLL DURING ELECTIONS AND PLAYING DUMB.

  • S7teen70six

    Compared to Mr. Hersh there are no other investigative journalists. The detail with which he weaves the complex tapestry of this conspiracy is refreshing as well as exhaustive. And at the heart of it all, a supposed ally making mischief.

    I take no pleasure in pointing out the obvious truth; that our C-I-C is incapable of making rational foreign policy decisions that further our national interests. That his adolescent hubris is also dangerous is beyond dispute.

    We are indeed indebted to Sy Hersh for this brilliantly focused expose’, shining a very bright light for any so wise as to see it. May we also be rewarded by a full Select Committee to once and for all actually get to the truth of Benghazi.

    • Deapster

      His article fills in a lot of missing pieces, except the chain of command inside the WH the night of the Benghazi attack.

      • S7teen70six

        With those freaks in the White House, terms like chains and command take on entirely new meanings.

        • Deapster

          There you go again …… talking about Reggie and some Big O R&R, aren’t you?

    • elizabethrc

      The problem is, this will have to be synopsized so that the general public will be able to understand it. I have difficulties of my own in understanding all of the layers of participants in this mess, so I don’t see the less informed wading through them.
      I’m hoping that the media will begin reporting on this today and that Special Report on Fox tonight will address this. They have a way of getting the facts out succinctly.

      • S7teen70six

        I agree. And as yet I haven’t seen a single report link to it outside the blogs. Almost as if what he so brilliantly reported never existed.

        • elizabethrc

          Neither have I. This is so discouraging. I expected FOX to report something on it.
          Maybe Larry can pass the word to his networks.

    • PoliticalMayhem

      We also deserve the truth about the Syrian Genocide and New Holocaust of the Middle East Christians who speak in the holy tongue and his subsequent denial of Assad’s involvement using the UN as a scapegoat.

      The UN probably set him up.

      REMAND IN CUFFS AND ARREST OBAMA NOW.

  • stevethird

    Hildebeast sez at this point it doesn’t matter. Move along now.

  • wyntre

    Where is the icon to vote up the main post?

  • KenoshaMarge

    During the Bush Administration many on the right wanted Chalabi to be a knight in shining armour and so disregarded any suggestion that he was not. Wishful thinking is stinking policy.
    We now see, according to this article and the few other honest reporters that Obama had an even worse policy – The CYA and Wishful Thinking policy.
    Lucky for Obama that he doesn’t have a rabid media searching his every utterance searching for some dirt, mistakes or lies. Obama can cover his tracks as Bush never was able to do because he has a complicet and corrupt media running interference for him.
    But as with this, and other bits of truth that are leaking out, in time the truth will be know. That will change few minds on the left because of their willful blindness and lack of personal integrity.
    As for our sad excuse for media in this country? Journalism for the most part died when Obama came on the scene. And we are all the poorer for it.

    • Deapster

      Uhhhh……Is this a good time to remember the NYT being in the tank for Bush and the scandal that caused with Judith Miller Little Miss run-Amok cross-ruffing all of Bush’s half baked ideas?

      And FOX news dramatic rush to war build-up too as portrayed in “Out-Foxed”

      • KenoshaMarge

        It is definately a good time to remember those things. Remember how many times and how wrong the media has been. They simply cannot be trusted to be honest or competent.
        The recent obsession with 24/7 “coverage” of the missing plane is a prime example.

        Speculation is not journalism and I watched none of it. When something is known I will watch – until then might as well watch another silly speculation about what happened to Amelia Earheart on the “History” channel.

  • Deapster

    Do you suppose this article was a topic of discussion during Obama’s odd trip diversion to Saudi Arabia after the recent G-7 conference?

    “On Friday, the President will travel from Rome, Italy to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. While in Saudi Arabia, the President will participate in a bilateral meeting with His Majesty Abdullah bin Abdulaziz Al Saud of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The President will remain overnight in Saudi Arabia.”

    • stodghie

      deapster check out if the saudis will allow the petro dollar anymore.(they won’t) i can assure you ole dumbo had no success.

      • Deapster

        You just came up with another block-buster breaking news story – is this an if or a when story?

        • stodghie

          deapster it is a real story however i don’t see our do nothing media talking about it. i did note soros getting antsy urging obama to use our emergency supplies. if you look at comments the saudis have made in recent months it is very clear they are done with us. also they have been doing deals with such countries as russia, china, ect bypassing the dollar. that alone supports what i am saying. dang i wish i had the actual link for you.

          now i think of it the saudis are friendly now with egypt who also now is at odds with us.

  • Deapster

    Two days ago (with full knowledge this article was coming out), HRC tells “Women of the World” conference Obama gave her full autonomy for foreign affairs, while he dealt with the economy:

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/hillary-clinton-obama-gave-me-autonomy-foreign-policy-while-he-dealt-economy%E2%80%8B-%E2%80%8B

    • binky354

      If this is true, they both did a piss poor job. The adjectives are colorful southern descriptors!

      • Deapster

        Since Obama got the Nobel Peace prize for his global expertise, I suppose this now means HRC will get the Nobel Prize for economics. Makes just as much sense.

      • stodghie

        you are too kind.

  • Deapster

    Gosh, Obama’s cool handling of this saved us from imminent war! (Obot take on this article.)

    President Dither sets up the straw dog out of whole cloth, and then takes credit later putting a muzzle on him.

    Too bad we sit with response letters from Senator Feinstein assuring us her careful investigation of the officially available information led to the only conclusion that Assad used sarin gas against his own people, thus trigging Obama’s Red Line defense.

    Will those Obama loyalists intentionally misled and hung out to dry by Obama now finally rise up in protest? (Crickets chirping)

    • PoliticalMayhem

      Sure, just like Hitler ‘saved’ Germany from imminent war? He saved no one, and Obama is just as guilty as Assad and Hitler of a Holocaust.

  • DianaLC

    LJ, I know you have told us much of this all along. It’s good to have this all written out so well by Hersh.
    If you think I am not going to send this link along to a few of the nitwitted obots I know, you are mistaken. If they read it (or should I say that if they can read it and comprehend it), maybe they’ll begin to understand why some in the GOP have been trying so desperately to get the information. And then, after they change their soiled underwear, maybe they’ll think twice about following their leaders.

    • Deapster

      They will only claim Obama himself snatched victory at the 11th hour from the jaws of ….. deceit.

      After all, Obama gave HRC “full autonomy” to run US foreign policy. Had not The One intervened to rescue the US from the mess HRC left behind, we all would be in a far sorrier world.

      Thus, He has spoken.

      • DianaLC

        Well, I do know that there are those brain-dead followers of Obama. But there are also some who hated Iran/Contra–and this is so very similar. They won’t be able to keep turning a blind eye for fear of being too much of a hypocrite.

  • Dave L.

    Do you mean to say that Barkey and Hillary lied to us ?? As Gomer Pyle used to say, GOOOOLLY !!!

  • Deapster

    Take away line:

    ‘We knew there were some in the Turkish government,’ a former senior US intelligence official, who has access to current intelligence, told me, ‘who believed they could get Assad’s nuts in a vice by dabbling with a sarin attack inside Syria – and forcing Obama to make good on his red line threat.’

  • Deapster

    PBS: Kerry claims Assad used sarin gas against his own people.

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/kerry-us-confident-that-assad-regime-carried-out-chemical-weapons-attack/

    Google this topic to see how many people at the time in the Obama administration spoke with such high confidence that Assad has carried out this attack.

    Who can forget the responses we got from Sen Feinstein in response to our concerns about Obama taking us into war over this alleged attack. Add my own local congressperson to this same litany of lies to support this unfounded representation.

    Wars are not started by violence; they are started with lies.

    • elizabethrc

      Your last line needs to be carved in granite.

      • Deapster

        It has been said truth is the first casualty of war. Nope, truth gets slaughtered first before the first gun was even fired.

        Self-defence in the face of aggression is an entirely different measurement.

        • Deapster

          There are Four Guardians at the entrance to all Buddhist temples: three to entice you to think loftier thoughts, and one with a sword to chop your head off if you do not.

    • binky354

      I well remember that O and his administration said the sarin gas was released by Aasad’s army, they had proof! The UN followed the narrative. The voices reporting otherwise were ignored and silenced. Larry was one of the few reporting the truth.

      • Deapster

        Exactly!

      • KenoshaMarge

        As George Orwell said so well a long time ago:

    • KlugerRD

      Kerry’s original claim to fame was also a lie.

      He turned on his fellow Vietnam soldiers by falsely testifying before a Senate committee that they engaged in war crimes and was never able to produce a single example.

      • Deapster

        I wonder if Kerry yet understands he was screwed true and blue by his, boss who let his sorry ass twist slowly, slowly in the wind ….with a knife in his own back.

  • brightlight

    I usually take Sy Hersh stories with a huge grain of salt but in this case… It sounds too real not to be the truth.

    • Deapster

      Don’t sell this man short. He knew the Chalabi crowd and his Iraqi liberation army were corrupt to the core, long before Bush let Chalabi take him into war with Iraq.

      • stodghie

        i used to think that deapster, but now i wonder if chalabi was just a useful tool for what they wanted to do.

        • Deapster

          Good point.

          • stodghie

            thanks for the link deapster!

  • Deapster

    HRC’s very recent (anticipatory?) statement Obama gave her 100% control over “foreign policy matters” while he would concentrate solely on the domestic economy reeks now of even more cover-up, attempting to absolve Obama from any participation in the entire CIA Benghazi gun running operations.

    Sorry, Barky the buck stops with you.

    Additionally, we called it here that Barky had evidence the Syrian rebels were the source of the gas attacks so roundly blamed on Assad that motivated his total about face.

    Yet again proving that reading NQ keeps one ahead of the curve.

  • Deapster

    Thank you. This man is gem for pertinent inside information. I shall never forget his obvious early warning to stay away from the Ahmed Chalabi crowd and Iraq. He knew; we did not.