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The Common Thread for the Ukraine and Cliven Bundy

So much of our understanding of what is going on in the world is manipulated and shaped by the information presented by the media. The ability of governments to mislead and confuse the public through the application of “strategic communications,” which is the new euphemism in journalism schools for propaganda, is the most pervasive in the history of humankind. And this is only going to get worse.

The heart of the American dream and mythology is the pursuit of freedom. My ancestors, who started arriving in America in the early 17th Century, were fleeing religious prosecution and the abuses of authoritarian rulers. The early Americans were a cantankerous lot and not keen on accepting the authority of rulers. We also have a soft spot for those underdogs challenging authority and seeking to throw off tyranny. But our ancestors also participated in jaw-dropping contradictions–slavery, genocide of Native Americans and imperialism, with the territorial grab from Mexico.

We are not very good at looking at ourselves objectively. We love to get teary-eyed while singing, “I’m Proud to Be an American,” but close our eyes to uncomfortable facts, such as the unwarranted invasion of Iraq in March 2003, the torture of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the violation of our Constitutional rights against unreasonable search and seizure.

Which brings me back to Cliven Bundy.

I share his frustration and concern about the encroachment of Federal power at the expense of individual liberty. The left is very eager to denounce him as a free loader who needs to pay his share. And it is true that much of the media, in a bid to avoid giving that part of Bundy’s story any exposure, ignored the story. If you ignore it and don’t report on it, it does not exist.

It was only when Bundy began his stupid, uninformed remarks on the history of slavery that the press kept into action. At that point, the story shifted from Government abuse of power to Bundy’s racism. (I realize many of you believe he was simply misunderstood, but that’s nonsense. I understood all too well what he was saying.) Bundy’s racism does not delegitimize the issue of the Federal Government’s abuse of power and expanding land grab. But that story is now being “strategically communicated” to the majority of Americans in a way to mitigate outrage.

We see the same phenomena with respect to telling the story of the conflict in Ukraine. The wheel chair and Cold War warriors are all over the cable news comparing Putin to Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin. Little attention is paid to U.S. provocations–expanding NATO to surround Moscow’s western frontier and meddling in Ukraine’s domestic politics. The effort in the US is to portray this matter as the people of Ukraine yearning for freedom for Russian/Communist tyranny and that we must do something.

We are presented with the spectacle of weak, feckless President, Barack Obama, who continues to talk tough in a confrontational manner about Russia, and, because of his fear of being perceived as a wimp, is acceding to requests to put a meaningless number of US troops along Russia’s border. This is all about the politics of perception.

Egging him on and trying to set the world on fire are the likes of John McCain and retired General Jack Keane. Admonishing Obama to do more, they agitate to send more troops to Eastern Europe and speak with a bellicosity that is reckless and dangerous.

The hypocrisy of the United States is truly breath taking. Let me give you a couple of examples to illustrate the point. When we crushed the Nazis in 1945 we obtained extensive evidence of the Nazi’s Final Solution and identified SS officers who were enthusiastic participants in that horror. Klaus Barbie is but one typical example:

In November [1942, at the ag]e of 29, Klaus Barbie was assigned to Lyon as the head of the local Gestapo.

He established his headquarters at the Hôtel Terminus in Lyon, where he personally tortured prisoners: men, women, and children alike,[3][4][5] breaking extremities, using electroshock, and sexually abusing them (including with dogs), among other methods. He became known as the “Butcher of Lyon”.[6] In Marcel Ophüls’s Oscar-winning documentary film Hôtel Terminus: The Life and Times of Klaus Barbie, the daughter of a French Resistance leader based in Lyon recounts her father’s torture by Barbie – her father was beaten, skinned alive and his head was put in a bucket of ammonia; he died shortly after.[4]

Historians estimate that Barbie was directly responsible for the deaths of up to 14,000 people.[7][8] He arrested Jean Moulin, one of the highest-ranking members of the French Resistance and his most prominent enemy figure. In 1943, he was awarded the “First Class Iron Cross with Swords” on behalf of his campaign against the French Resistance and the capture of Moulin by Adolf Hitler.[9]

In April 1944, Barbie ordered the deportation to Auschwitz of a group of 44 Jewish children from an orphanage at Izieu. After his operations in Lyon, he rejoined the SIPO-SD of Lyon in Bruyères, where he led an anti-partisan attack in Rehaupal in September 1944.

The man was not a soldier. He was a murderer and slayer of children. And what did the United States do? We made him an intelligence asset because of our fear of communism. We paid him and protected him even though he was part of an army that slaughtered more than 20 million Soviet troops and civilians. We even helped him find refuge in Bolivia. Why? Because we felt the means justified the ends.

We also rounded up the Nazis who developed the rockets that rained down on British people and put them to work on building up our own missile program. We found ways to overlook and ignore the Nazi past of men like Werner von Braun.

And we enthusiastically prosecuted some Nazi leaders for mass murder–rightly so–but downplay our own policy of strategic bombing of cities in Germany, which also killed thousands of civilians. The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki also raise the uncomfortable question of murdering civilians as apart of a greater cause.

I would be more open to making the situation of Ukraine as a cause célèbre except here, in the United States, we have a Federal Government that argues it can hold people in prison indefinitely without due process (yes, I’m talking Guantanamo). We have a Federal Government that is trying to muzzle what’s left of the free press and is aggressively prosecuting whistleblowers and accusing them effectively of being “enemies” of the state. We have a Federal Government that is steadily expanding an intelligence community and law enforcement, in the name of protecting the HOMELAND (shades of Hitler’s Fatherland) and fighting terrorism, while encroaching on the basic freedom of American’s against unreasonable searches and seizures.

Brings me back to Cliven Bundy. Most Americans, especially on the left, could care less that the Federal Government would deploy the equivalent of a heavily armed Army company to take a man’s cattle and try to collect a tax debt. The irony for me is that many Americans are willing to excuse this kind of abuse of power by Barack Obama, but, when it comes to Russian’s Vladimir Putin, we want to draw a redline with the threat that Putin will suffer unspeakable consequences if he crosses that line.

My concern is simple–we live in a world where the power of governments is growing and the rights of individuals are more susceptible to abuse. On this point, both Democrats and Republicans are mostly mute.

  • James Leseke

    It’s Federal Land Larry. It only exists as part of the US because the Federal Government via Federal Troops seized the land from the former occupants. The Federal Government fought two separate wars one with the Mexicans and the other with the Native Tribes to secure that land, thus it has a lot of say so in how that land is used.

    The land in question was set aside for a specific purpose, as wildlife refuge and species protection. That decision was based on a law proposed by Dick Nixon of all people all the way back in the early ’70′s. The grazing fee decision was decided all the way back in the days of the Gipper.

    You do not get to pick and choose which part of the Federal Government rubric you like and which you get to ignore. Exxon can not just plop an oil rig off the coast of New Jersey without paying a fee and this rancher can not graze his cattle on Federal land without paying a fee. Rules are rules. They may be stupid, they may be arbitrary, they may be unfair, but they are rules.

    People went ballistic when Occupy encamped on Public Land in NYC for a few short months, this guy has been violating public land for twenty years. Would you stand for it if Occupy had stood down NYPD with the type of armed response this rancher and his friends did? I seriously doubt it. The rancher is a serial law breaker and a crank to boot and if his ideology did not match yours he would not get a bit of sympathy from these quarters.

  • cathnealon

    I understand we do not have a clean record and we have sinned, Larry. Perhaps, that’s because human beings are not perfect, and since human beings are the ones that make up a country they are bound to be subject to things like lust, the will to power, greed and just plain sinfulness. I think about my foolishness and crappy, life-altering decisions I made in my 20′s that I had to wrestle with later on. But I evolved and began to make better decisions. Unlike some families we made it because we decided to be better than we were in the past. It is not an easy thing to admit mistakes, evolve and want to be better.

    That’s how I see America–dysfunctional and flawed but because of our basic constitutional rights to think and say what we want, we are able to evolve and potentially correct our mistakes.

    Now we have a president who is taking advantage of all our past mistakes and I mean the recent ones with Bush as well. H’e doubling down on them instead of doing what he told all those people he would do in 2008–reverse them. We have a true dictator who cares nothing for our laws and our Constitution. As bad as other presidents have been, not one has decided to destroy our country the way this president has decided to do.

    So, I think we all get it. I think we know our history but when that history is used by Marxists in the WH to teach kids that the U.S. is evil and capitalism should be destroyed(Ayers) then we need to stop doing their bidding.

  • stodghie

    sorry i know this might not belong here but dang i found it so offensive.

    The U.S. Justice Department on Monday said it will begin collecting data on stops, searches and arrests made in five U.S. cities to weed out possible racial biases within the criminal justice system.

    Later this year, a $4.75 million federal grant will be awarded to recipients who compete for the funds to work with their local law enforcement to analyze arrest data and find ways to reduce any biases they find, particularly toward young minority men.

    http://americanthinker.com/blog/2014/04/doj_spending_millions_to_manufacture_race_grievances.html

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    More on the Barbie Museum near Las Vegas.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJMPom6-xmA

  • John_Frank

    O/T – Email Shows White House Adviser Urged Rice to Blame Video for Benghazi Attack
    http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/email-Susan-Rice-Benghazi-video/2014/04/29/id/568416/

  • binky354

    O/T – I don’t necessarily agree with everything Mark Levine proposes, but I sure admire his guts when he speaks out. He sure took a stand defending Sarah Palin:

    http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-torches-nro-over-palin-cheap-shots-you-sit-on-your-ass-typing-while-she-fights-like-hell-to-save-the-country/

  • Deapster

    Always interesting to get different views about Ukraine – because perception often trumps facts, once guns are drawn. AlJazeera weigh in with their analysis and conclusions:

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/04/what-eating-vladimir-putin-20144279254554100.html

  • Deapster

    Obama lies again in the Philippines:

    “Why is it that everybody is so eager to use military force after we have gone through a decade of war at enormous costs to our troops and to our budget?”

    Count the lies just in that one sentence.

    1. “Everybody” = Obama’s infamous straw dog casting him as the beleaguered victim of crazy public or partisan opinion, and the Nations only hope for cool minds and sanity to reign.

    2. “Military force”: what about his own gun running in Benghazi, his own military border build up in Jordan, his war games over Ukraine, his Red Line in Syria, now his new Red Line in North Korea, and his ill-founded intervention in Libya.

    3. A “decade of enormous costs to our budget”: Obama doubled the national debt all on his own to the point experts claim the Obama national debt is our biggest national security problem.

    4. ‘Enormous costs to our troops”: more people were killed in Obama’s own home town Chicago during Obama’s tenure than US troops in Iraq in both wars.

    • S7teen70six

      Once a lying POS always a lying POS. That’s what mama always says.

      • binky354

        And mama is a wise woman.

        • Deapster

          Not Obama’s mom. Nor his daughters’ mom.

          • binky354

            I should have specified S7teen’s mama.

    • Justine00

      2. …Obummer’s drones.
      .

      • Deapster

        Exactly, add those too to the list of Obama’s own bellicose sabre rattling.

    • binky354

      He’s such a slime hypocrite!

  • Dave L.

    O/T Ft. Collins Co.

    The principal at Rocky Mountain High School in Fort Collins, Colorado, is facing a hailstorm of criticism from some very angry parents and residents.

    The school recites the Pledge of Allegiance weekly, on Mondays. Last Monday, a member of their “Cultural Arms Club” led the student body in an Arabic version of the pledge, replacing the words “under God” with “under Allah.”

    Principal Tom Lopez denies any attempt to push an Islamic agenda, saying, “These students love this country. They were not being un-American in trying to do this. They believed they were accentuating the meaning of the words as spoken regularly in English.”

    Principal Lopez doesn’t make any sense. Speaking unintelligible words in Arabic in some way accentuates their meaning? That is an extremely weak argument in defense of an ill-advised decision.
    Read more at http://visiontoamerica.com/17412/hs-students-say-pledge-in-arabic-one-nation-under-allah.

    I think we have more important things than is Bundy a racist !!

    • DianaLC

      Ft. Collins is a Boulder Wanna Be town. CSU is the Ag College, one of the best veterinary schools in the nation. College Days, which lasted as a tradition for a long time, was finally stopped because it became so rowdy and dangerous.
      But now the people who can’t afford Boulder and hate nearby Loveland because it is far too conservative (one of the three districts that recently voted in conservative school board)s.
      I actually used to like Ft. Collins, but I can no longer take the snooty know-it-all atmosphere there.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      But, don’t you think that illustrates the point that the “PLEDGE” should be devoid of religious reference. Allah is simply an arabic way of saying God. Are we saying that only one word is correct?

      • Deapster

        How far away is Yawah from Allah?

        • Justine00

          I was taught that Yawah means “I am who I am.”
          .

          • S7teen70six

            I was taught that it meant: I am that I am.

      • S7teen70six

        Allah is not simply an Arabic term for God. It is a specific type of God that differs from, say, the Christian God. But I do agree with you that any “pledge” should be devoid of religious references, unless it was changed to Nature’s God as our Declaration of Independence states.

      • binky354

        I happen to believe they should pledge in English. They’re in America, not the Middle East. I’m a proponent of the cowards in Washington making the official language of the US English.

      • John_Frank

        —-> Are we saying that only one word is correct?

        Speaking only for myself, yes. The reason is straight forward. I believe it is a mistake to go down the multicultural road that Europe has embarked upon and is now being preached by the neo-Marxists …. oops …. I meant Liberals here in America.

        The problem is you bend over so far to accommodate other cultures that you end up creating a society of separate but equal cultures in which everyone describes him or herself with a hyphenated label.

        The great success of American culture is that while we will welcome you with open arms, we call upon you to assimilate into the American culture.

        Is it perfect? Nope. Are there flaws. Yes. Can we move forward to a more perfect union? Yes, the blueprint for that being our Declaration of independence and Constitution.

        Yes, we have a burgeoning Muslim population in America. Yes, we need to ensure that Muslims who come to America feel welcome, but how far do we go?

        Are we prepared to accept the supremacy of shariah law?

        Do we believe that the more restrictive beliefs of devout Muslims should take precedence?

        Do we not have a problem with the “anti” preaching of the fundamentalist Imams who are funded by foreign Governments and whose beliefs are propagated as the “gold standard” in Islam?

        We are all familiar with the questions.

        Look at the troubles that the Europeans are now facing with their Muslim populations as a result of going down the multicultural road. While Canada likes to pride itself on being open, tolerant and diverse, having embarked upon the multicultural road as well, the Canadians are also having problems.

        What is happening right now is that to accommodate others the neo-Marxists … oops … I meant Liberals … in the name of cultural diversity are deliberately suppressing Christianity.

        Is that the road we wish to continue on?

        I am not saying we should stop allowing Muslims to immigrate. Nor I am suggesting that we should not be welcoming.

        But suppressing Christianity at the expense of other faiths, which is the neo-Marxist agenda is not the answer.

        Nor is saying in response to those who are raising concerns that you are being Islamophobic. That is just another way of stifling honest debate in a free and open pluralistic society.

        Just my two cents worth.

        P.S. Please notice that I am using capital L Liberal and not small l liberal.

        P.P.S. I am not Christian.

        • stodghie

          God also can mean and should good orderly direction. sorry i can’t come up with anything for allah. the multicultural experiment is overall a failure. yes, it is. look at california if you doubt my comment. i respect the muslim faith but have to say i would not expect them to extend the privilege to me of taking an oath using the name of God in a muslim country. and they wouldn’t. there is nothing wrong with that.

          alinsky is especially afraid of the christian faith. read up on his views and methods. it is all there.

    • jrterrier

      Why is this country going crazy?

  • S7teen70six

    Now Kerry claims that he has proof that Russia is fomenting the rebellion in East Ukraine.

    “Intel is producing taped conversations of intelligence operatives taking their orders from Moscow and everybody can tell the difference in the accents, in the idioms, in the language. We know exactly who’s giving those orders, we know where they are coming from,” Kerry said at a private meeting of the Trilateral Commission in Washington. A recording of Kerry’s remarks was obtained by The Daily Beast.

    Kerry didn’t name specific Russian officials implicated in the recordings. But he claimed that the intercepts provided proof of the Russians deliberately fomenting unrest in eastern Ukraine—and lying about it to U.S. officials and the public.

    And Russia has recordings proving that the US fomented the rebellion in Kiev. But our fomenting is considered helping the Ukrainians and Russia’s fomenting is considered hurting them. Quite an interesting double standard. And completely typical of this administration.

    • Deapster

      Kerry is giving American Exceptionalism a bad name.

      • S7teen70six

        Kerry is giving American anything a bad name. Hell, even the Addams family is taking a hit over his portrayal of Lurch.

    • Justine00

      Is such very close/private mtg with the Trilateral Commission the norm for the US / administration?
      .

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      Ironically, this report is sourced to a clandestine recording of remarks that Kerry made in private to the Trilateral Commission.

  • KenoshaMarge

    I know it’s an oldie but I still found it worth a chuckle:

    Nancy Pelosi called Harry Reid into her office one day and said, “Harry, I have a plan to win back Middle America in 2014!”

    “Great Nancy, but how?” asked Harry.

    “We’ll get some cheesy clothes and shoes, like most Middle Class Americans wear, then stop at the pound and pick up a Labrador retriever. Then, we’ll go to a nice old country bar in Montana and show them how much admiration and respect we have for the hard working people living there.”

    So they did, and found just the place they were looking for in Bozeman, Montana. With the dog in tow, they walked inside and stepped up to the bar.

    The Bartender took a step back and said, “Hey! Aren’t you Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi?”

    “Yes we are!” said Nancy, “And what a lovely town you have here. We were passing through and Harry suggested we stop and take in some local color.”

    They ordered a round of bourbon for the whole bar, and started chatting up a storm with anyone who would listen.

    A few minutes later, a grizzled old rancher came in, walked up to the Labrador, lifted up its tail, looked underneath, shrugged his shoulders and walked out. A few moments later, in came another old rancher. He walked up to the dog, lifted up its tail, looked underneath, scratched his head and left the bar.

    For the next hour, another dozen ranchers came in, lifted the dog’s tail, and left shaking their heads.

    Finally, Nancy asked, “Why did all those old ranchers come in and look under the dog’s tail? Is it some sort of local custom?”

    “Lord no,” said the bartender. “Someone’s out there running around town, claiming there’s a Labrador Retriever in here with two assholes!”

    • S7teen70six

      ROFLMAO! Still chuckling……

      • KenoshaMarge

        A little crude perhaps but satisfying and appropriate.

        Actually IMO there are few crude remarks about these two old fools that is inappropriate IMO. When you are dishonest and lack any integrity you deserve all the “crude” that can be shoveled your way.

        • KenoshaMarge

          O/T but here’s something else that’s satisfying – Netanyahu pushing Candy Crowley back when she attempts to misrepresent what he said.

          And can someone please explain to me why Israel would even consider negotiating with people who make no secret of their desire to destroy Israel? WTF? I am not saying Netanyahu is a saint – he is a politician after all – but Kerry is just nuts. JMO

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbTGYZx6dWs&feature=player_embedded

          • S7teen70six

            I feel the same way. Hamas has launched hundreds of rockets into Israel, will not recognize it as a state and calls (and works toward) its destruction. By aligning Fatah with Hamas, Abbas has squashed any possibility of peace.

            • DianaLC

              By the time they decide peace is good thing and better for their people, it will most likely be too late. Soon all those peace and justice types who have always cried over the Palestinian people’s “suffering” will finally give up caring since it’s like caring for obstinate gopher.

          • DianaLC

            Candy tries to seem intelligent by pretending to be precise. It most often make her appear totally dense, perhaps like having the skull of a pachycephalosaurus.

            • KenoshaMarge

              I thought the pachycephalosaurus was a bit sleek to be Candylike. Then, having read up on it, as I always do when encountering something with whih I am unfamiliar I saw that its name means thick-headed lizard and it all became perfectly clear. Thanks for the laugh – and thanks for making me work for it!

              • DianaLC

                I am sorry. I thought that EVERONE knows what a pachycephalosaurus was.
                The only reason I know about all the different dinosaurs is that I spent every other weekend at the Museum of Natural History in Denver with my older son for several years of his life in the dinosaur room.. I read every child’s book on dinosaurs to him. He had a replica of every kind almost in his room. If he had an art project to do, he came home with a homemade dinosaur.
                He used to sit on my dad’s lap, a man who went only through 8th grade, and test his grandfather on dinosaurs. He corrected his grandmother quite sternly when she mixed up a dimetrodon with an edaphosaurus (more things for you to look up).
                What is common knowledge for some is not for others—Sorry about that.

                • KenoshaMarge

                  Nothing to be sorry about. I am of the opinion that a day when you don’t learn something is a wasted day. I learned something to day. And I thank you for that. Of course no telling how long this aging brain will retain the information but that’s another story entirely.

                  • Deapster

                    Obama and Holder walked into a Montana bar with a pachycephalosaurus ……

                • binky354

                  I knew it was in the dinosaur family – close enough for me.

                • S7teen70six

                  Obviously, most of us thought she was an Assosaurus. Or was that a Fatassosaurus? Thanks for the clarification.

            • binky354

              Can’t stand her since she showed her true self during the Obama-Romney debate.

              • Deapster

                Can’t stand the way Obama showed his true self during the Obama + Crowley vs Romney debate either.

            • Deapster

              Candy Crowley and Rachel Maddow walked into a Montana bar with a Labrador Retriever ………..

              • KenoshaMarge

                That works too!

              • S7teen70six

                Huge Big Belly Laugh there Deapster. Thanks!

          • S7teen70six

            Candy Crowley is the poster child for why we should keep candy out of the hands of children.

        • S7teen70six

          I would change the words a little crude to completely accurate. But you are so much more diplomatic than I. ;-}

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      You funny.

  • TeakWoodKite

    O/T Sick! one can only discuss the execution of an American citizen in secret now?

    Another provision, which would require alternative intelligence analysis, as well as commensurate congressional notification should an intelligence agency consider legal action against a US citizen, has been moved to a classified annex of the bill.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/drone-civilian-casualties-senate-bill-feinstein-clapper

    • S7teen70six

      This would be a good time for Rand Paul to tee up another filibuster.

  • TeakWoodKite

    O/T…Larry …what’s up with this? Is there no end to it?

    Ecuador has ordered the U.S. Embassy’s military group, about 20 Defense Department employees, to leave the country by month’s end, in a further indication of strained relations

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/apnewsbreak-ecuador-expels-us-military-group-23464060
    .

    • Deapster

      Great, heading to Ecuador in a few more months – thinking at least this part of the world won’t be another Obama hot spot like my last trip through the Black Sea in the wake of Obama’s Red Line and hardball in Ukraine and Crimea.

      Leave my world alone, Obama.

  • John_Frank

    On the topic of Ukraine and media manipulation, one of themes underlying our support for the opposition street leaders rejecting the February 21 agreement, and our support for the interim Government, was that Yanukovich ordered the use of snipers to shoot and kill protesters.

    However is that narrative correct?

    On April 10, German State Television ran an investigative report asking “Who were the Maidan snipers?”

    Follows is a link to the video of the original broadcast with English subtitles:

    German TV. 10.4.14. Who were the Maidan snipers? Ukraine.
    http://youtu.be/zDPJ-ucnyPU

    The description underneath the video reads:

    Published on Apr 17, 2014: Broadcast on German state television on the 10.4.2014 this investigative report presents evidence for their having been snipers from among the ranks of the opposition, shooting at their own people at Independence Square (Maidan) in Kiev. The show is called Monitor, and it was screened on WDR which is part of the state broadcaster ARD. With english subtitles.

    Will we see this show rebroadcast on PBS?

    In the meantime, Russia Today posted a report yesterday that:

    Neo-Nazis march in Lvov ‘in honor’ of Ukrainian Waffen SS division (PHOTOS)
    http://rt.com/news/155364-ukraine-nazi-division-march/

    Yes, the Russian Federation is not without sin in Ukraine; and some of the protesters in eastern Ukraine are not saints. Far from it.

    But, hey according to our media the Right Sector and the Svoboday Party are as pure as the driven snow. (sarc)

    In the meantime, what is the lead story in the International version of the New York Times:

    One City Falls to Pro-Russian Militants; in Another, the Mayor Is Shot
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/29/world/europe/one-city-falls-to-pro-russian-militants-in-another-the-mayor-is-shot.html?ref=world&_r=0

    The opening paragraph reads:

    “The crisis in eastern Ukraine took dark turns on Monday as the mayor of the country’s second-largest city was gravely wounded in an assassination attempt and masked antigovernment militants seized control of this city [referring to Konstantinovka],almost effortlessly, laying bare the limits of the interim government’s
    control.”

    Later in the same report we read:

    “Not long after the first wall was erected at the rebels’ defenses, at least one unidentified gunman opened fire on Gennady A. Kernes, the mayor of Kharkiv, the second-largest city in eastern Ukraine, as he ran as part of his fitness regimen, municipal officials there said. He survived the attack but was in critical condition in a hospital after
    surgery.”

    Questions: Why are C.J. Chivers and Noah Sneider calling those who are opposed to the interim Ukrainian Government “pro-Russian militants?” Why not call them federalist protesters, or federalist rebels? What evidence do C.J. Chivers and Noah Sneider have to tie the shooting of Kernes, the mayor of Kharkiv to the federalist protesters?

    (The phrase “federalist protesters” is how the Russian media describes those in eastern Ukraine who are protesting against the central Government in Ukraine)

    No question the Russian media can be just as bad or worse. So, what does all of this confirm? The old adage that the first thing that goes out the window in a war is the truth.

    One final point. Down thread, I asked a series of questions concerning our involvement in Ukraine. Gerald Celente was interviewed last Friday on the show Settling the Score on Russia Today to discuss the possibility of additional sanctions. He had an interesting take on the why:

    Gerald Celente – RTTV – April 25, 2014
    http://youtu.be/gIrHiiuOWM4

    Okay, the end of my early morning rant. May the rest of your night be blessed.

    • S7teen70six

      Thanks for this great update. Next we will be hearing from Kerry that Right Sector and the Svoboda Party are moderates within the Neo-Nazi movement.

      • John_Frank

        LOL …. like our esteemed DNI telling us that Egypt’s wing of the Muslim Brotherhood are moderate Islamists and therefore we have nothing to worry about if they take power in Egypt.

        Yes, that really worked out well … we helped overthrow Mubarak … the Muslim Brotherhood took power … among other things the Egyptian economy went into the dumpster … the Egyptian people with the aid of the military ultimately threw out the Muslim Brotherhood President … and Egypt is about to elect another military general as President, while the interim government ….

        The whole idea that we could use the Muslim Brotherhood, a neo-Nazi, anti-semitic Islamist movement seeking world domination for Islam that purportedly believed in participating in the political process and had eschewed violence to control the “radical” Islamists … IMHO not the most brilliant idea to come out of Washington, D.C.

        Yes Mubarak was corrupt. Yes he was a dictator. Yes it was time for him to go. Yes, the authorities mishandled the protests … so we decide to dump an ally in the fight against radical Islam and throw him to the curb, so exactly whom could take power?

        In the meantime, in the face of much larger protests in Tehran against an even more oppressive Islamic regime, the President did what?

        Oh and the Egyptians are really, really happy (not) that we helped overthrow Gaddafi, so unleashing the radical Islamists (Salafis) in Libya who are now crossing into Egypt and stirring up trouble.

        • S7teen70six

          Yeah. That Obama feller sure does foreign policy like he was born to do it. Or he has the brain of a child while doing it. A two year old child throwing a temper tantrum.

          • John_Frank

            You wrote in your initial reply:

            —->Thanks for this great update.

            My pleasure.

            It is good to be with a group of people were even though we may strongly disagree on an issue on occasion, we can still figuratively break bread together afterwards and have a laugh.

            Cheers.

            • S7teen70six

              Absolutely.

  • Deapster

    Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. These two people alone will now determine who is naughty and who is nice:

    http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/big-chill-feds-want-to-scour-net-media-for-hate-speech/

  • Deapster

    Dinesh D’Souza rises again: new movie America opening July 4, 2014

    http://www.deadline.com/2014/04/hot-trailer-dinesh-dsouzas-america/

  • HELENK2

    OMG obots must be on the pill

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/z9pD_UK6vGU

    • Deapster

      I think it was a put-down of how the Dems see the rest of the world, when you get to his final points- who the dumb people are sounds like Liberals wet dream about the Tea Party.

      • DianaLC

        But they’re too dumb and lack the self-awareness to know it’s the other way around.

  • HARP2

    Sums it up nicely.

    • Deapster

      And I thought only California was rapidly going to hell in a hand basket.

      That pretty much says we are in post-racial America and this topic needs to be finally put to bed. Then we can start digging ourselves out of the mess this little racial vanity detour took our country upon.

    • DianaLC

      I want a bumper stick made from this! I’ve stolen it. Thank you.

  • S7teen70six

    A very good discussion of Ukraine and the stakes involved from that horrible Russian propaganda machine RT. They have on two preeminent American scholars, Steven Cohen and John Mearsheimer, spreading their damned lies. This is about 30 minutes long. It’s one of the best, if not the best, discussion I have heard (or read) about what led to Ukraine and the potential ramifications. This really is excellent.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9674pRBm6g

    • DianaLC

      Thank you for posting this. I wish it would be broadcast on every one of the supposed news channels.
      I get so sick of the talking heads, like O’Reilly for instance, who have anointed themselves as the only ones who really can give a good judgment without having to know anything, that permeate all the news show.
      This also makes very clear how important the letter sent by Larry and his cohorts is.
      What are the idiots who are my age thinking tht they would want to put their own kids through duck and cover?

      • S7teen70six

        I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that voices like these (from actual experts) would be silenced by our media.

  • HARP2

    “There’s no doubt that Israel and the Palestinians have tough issues to work out to get to the goal of two states living side by side in peace and security, but injecting a term like apartheid into the discussion doesn’t advance that goal,” Obama said. “It’s emotionally loaded, historically inaccurate, and it’s not what I believe.”

    Barack Obama…….2008.
    —————————————————————
    Since Kerry stated something Obama doesn’t believe, he should call for his immediate resignation.

    • S7teen70six

      He didn’t believe in gay marriage back then either. Of course his beliefs are only what are politically expedient at the moment.

    • HELENK2
      • HELENK2
      • DianaLC

        He’s right again! But, in the words of our last SOS :what difference does it make” who in in the SOS position if that person has been appointed by the current POS POTUS?
        I am still liking Cruz very much for one major reason: He is a man who says and does what he thinks is right despite the political backlash he might receive. I wish more people would start to look back, forget the harshness of the government shutdown (which I personally did not feel) and realize how much less trouble our country would be in if Obamacare had been defunded.

        • S7teen70six

          I like him bunches. But his comments concerning Russia push me away.

          • DianaLC

            Well, of course, you’re right there.

    • Deapster

      I guess Obama lied about that too. Not that he knows apartheid from Punahou.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punahou_School

  • Deapster

    OT: from Politico

    RE: Obama’s 8 million Obamacare sign-ups = One more Obama Lie

    ….” One result of not having the back-end built is that the administration continues to be unable to say how many people have actually enrolled with any precision.

    Since October, the administration has been reporting the number of people who signed up, i.e. who selected a plan on the website. This culminated recently in the announcement of more than 8 million sign ups during the total enrollment period.

    Reporters frequently asked for the total number who had enrolled, i.e. those who had paid a premium, but the administration said it did not have that information because the back-end of the site was not built. “….

  • Deapster

    OT: Toyota is taking 5,000 professional jobs out of California and moving them to Texas.

    One more success story for socialism. Even Jerry Brown knows this is a very, very bad sign.

  • John_Frank

    Good afternoon. Turning to the situation Ukraine for a few moments.

    This morning, the group known as Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, which includes our host Larry Johnson, released a memo concerning Ukraine. To read the memo addressed to the President, go to:

    Obama Urged to Show Restraint on Ukraine
    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/28/obama-urged-to-show-restraint-on-ukraine/

    Despite the suggestions of this group, the President announced the imposition of more sanctions earlier today:

    U.S. Announces More Sanctions Against Russia
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/29/world/asia/obama-sanctions-russia.html?_r=0

    The other members of the G7 are also issuing additional sanctions, along with the European Union. The rationale? The Russian Federation’s alleged failure to comply with the Geneva Agreement.

    I write alleged, because Russia believes the obligations to disarm and deescalate under that Agreement are reciprocal.

    (Has the Russian position been reported and explained by our media?)

    The US, EU and Ukraine are taking the position that the only people who need to disarm, etc. are the people in eastern Ukraine occupying municipal buildings and so forth whom we say came there as a result of actions taken by the Russian Federation.

    Needless to say with the rejection of the Russian position and the imposition of sanctions the Geneva Agreement is likely a dead letter, while Ukraine spins ever closer to a full blown civil war which will tear the country apart.

    A great tragedy is about to unfold in Ukraine all because the powers that be failed to heed the wisdom of Sir Winston Churchill that “to jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war.”

    • Deapster

      Excellent letter from the consortium – proud to see such intelligent discussion put into the current mix of hysteria and sound bite.

    • S7teen70six

      Thanks. And Bravo VIPS!

  • Dave L.

    Is Cliven Bundy a racist, who cares, what does it have to do with anything. I would doubt that Bundy finished high school, maybe he can’t give a speech, but, I bet he knows more about running a ranch and raising beef than the educated asshole in the White House. This whole fiasco has gotten off track, the focus should be on the armed BLM that invaded Nevada. Why does the post office, the Dept of Education etc. need to have armed swat teams and millions of rounds of ammunition ??

    • Deapster

      Bundy is as much of a racist as Obama when he declared his own grandmother to be like “typical white people”.

      Bundy at least gets the excuse of age, limited education and lack of worldly exposure. Obama only defense is his pathological narcissism.

      • stodghie

        bundy with all his biases is just trying to live his life. he isn’t trying to change the world or the usa to do things his way. he shared an opinion he would have been better advised not to share. evil intent? no! obama hell yes!’

        there is reverse racism in this country reaching epic proportions. there is no excuse for racism on any side but right now it is used as an excuse to direct our attention away from the real issues. the reverse racism shows up in the demeaning comments about a white santa at christmas etc. we are under attack and racism is just one tool. that is a fact.

        we need to call things what they are on both sides and get back to the basics. if we don’t then farewell good ship usa. jmo

    • ME

      That’s a really good point about Cliven being a racist. Nobody ever thinks about power these days, but Cliven is the guy surrounded by tanks and helicopters, therefore he does not hold all the cards. The most he could be at this point is a bigot. Bigotry is a simple expression of disgust for a group of people, Racism requires systemic power to back it up. Hence, us here in the trailer park cannot possibly be racist towards the leader of the free world flying over head in his private jet. We are incapable of oppressing the president because we hold no power at all.
      Bigotry used to be a matter of free speech, because it was generally accepted that people had a right to say things that were potentially offensive and we might socially shun them, but we didn’t view them as criminals or people in need of losing their jobs. That’s changing and it’s a bit scary because right behind the word police come the thought police.

      • KenoshaMarge

        Word police and thought police and the PC police infest this country like a plague of locasts. Bigots, so long as they harm no one have the same rights as the rest of us. Free speech isn’t just for those who say the nice, the proper, the pretty things. (Most of which are pure bullshit anyway.)
        I don’t like racists. Not white ones or black ones or yellow ones or red ones. I can’t understand their thought processes.
        However the way people act these days it is worse to be a racist than a pedophile or a sercial killer. What’s with that?

    • S7teen70six

      Your last question is the most important issue here because it underlies everything.

      • Deapster

        Obama’s idea of a “well-regulated militia”?

        • S7teen70six

          More like his idea of a totalitarian state. One nation under whatever the hell he says at the moment.

  • BannedAgain18

    Hilarious… linking Bundy to the Ukraine to Nazis…. classic.

    This is suppose to be Larry Johnson’s post to explain his own support for Bundy??

    “So much of our understanding of what is going on in the world is manipulated and shaped by the information presented by the media.”

    Sounds like a description of NoQuarterUSA.com. This coming from a guy who supposedly talks a good game, but deletes comments, censors and bans all those who oppose him and push back.

    “deploy the equivalent of a heavily armed Army company to take a man’s cattle and try to collect a tax debt.”

    I think you got that backwards. Most Americans are appalled when someone first threatens the U.S. government with violence and then points guns at our law enforcement personal. I thought your righties were in the law and order party.

    Comparing the behavior of Obama with Putin is also hilarious. But, hey you would vote for Putin and did not vote for Obama.

    “we live in a world where the power of governments is browning and the rights of individuals are more susceptible to abuse.”

    Funny words spoken from an ex-CIA guy. Did you think that way when you were working in Guatemala during the worst period of that country’s history?

    Your massive sweeping generalizations make you sound like a conspiracy nut… but, I guess that is what NQ has become all about these days.

    • alyalyinfree

      Larry, you must be hitting the nail on the head when you can get a response like this. First comes the mocking part. Then the normal tripe then the inevitable claim of being a conspiracy nut. Perfect paid troll behavior. Do you think they have an app designed specifically to write this type of propaganda?

      • Deapster

        You point out the value of hearing the obot out. Exposing the canned response patterns. Good job. Yes I do believe this is a format where they just insert different scenarios into their tired matrix.

        Much like the Democrats = Deny, Dismiss, Denigrate, Distort, Divert matrix

        • Retired_from_SPOnaj

          Yes, this particular comment from Banned really exposes the methodology. Would that all intelligence be so easily obtained through use of such an obvious red herring.

          • Deapster

            If you put all the obot’s comments through an MRI machine no matter what the topic, you would see the exact same underlying skeleton.

            Knowledge is power.

            • S7teen70six

              I didn’t know that invertebrates had skeletons.

              • Deapster

                Maybe he is like that jelly fish where you can take his whole brain out and he keeps growing a new one, hoping to finally get it right.

    • Deapster

      Reeking of desperation, the obot is watching his carefully groomed hero/heroine start losing serious traction in the public’s eye.

      One can insert BHO or HRC because both are heading into the dumper of public opinion and we are tired of their nonsense.

      Fatigue from over-exposed personalities is the worst political death. Hey, ….. once I was a contender.

      • wyntre

        But Elizabeth Warren is waiting in the wings.

        • S7teen70six

          I thought she was waiting in her teepee.

        • Deapster

          Isn’t she all the sudden nipping at HRC’s cankles. And ….how.

    • stodghie

      you are a damn fool!

      • S7teen70six

        And a fucking idiot. Lest we forget…..

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      QED

    • beyond partisan

      “Most Americans are appalled when someone first threatens the U.S. government with violence…” Let’s dissect the mounds of propaganda in this one sentence – first, BannedAgain tries to claim the moral high ground by implying that the majority of people are in line with *his* opinion, as if peer pressure were *always* a good reason to believe something. Second, he totally rewrites history and turns it on his head by lying and claiming that Bundy threatened violence and pointed guns at government official’s heads, when it was the exact OPPOSITE – the BLM threatened violence and pointed guns at U.S. Citizens.

      You, sir, are a good little Nazi. No matter what the central state does, you find a way to excuse it. I’ve finally had to come to the conclusion that you are simply not intelligent enough to see past your own delusional worship of Obama.

      • BannedAgain18

        “The rancher insists his cattle aren’t going anywhere. He acknowledges that he keeps firearms at his ranch and has vowed to “do whatever it takes” to defend his animals from seizure.

        “I’ve got to protect my property,” Bundy said as Arden steered several cattle inside an elongated pen. “If people come to monkey with what’s mine, I’ll call the county sheriff. If that don’t work, I’ll gather my friends and kids and we’ll try to stop it. I abide by all state laws. But I abide by almost zero federal laws.”Bundy’s wife Carol told the Sun that she owns a shotgun and is prepared to use it:

        Carol Bundy said her husband is not a violent man, just a person who will protect what he owns. For that matter, so is she.

        “I’ve got a shotgun,” she said. “It’s loaded and I know how to use it. We’re ready to do what we have to do, but we’d rather win this in the court of public opinion.” [Las Vegas Sun, 9/23/13]

        ******************************************
        INGRAHAM: When you said you would do quote “whatever it takes,” to stop the government from impounding your cattle, what did you mean by that? Did you mean you would resort to violence?

        BUNDY: What I said was — I didn’t say I wouldn’t carry a gun. [The Laura Ingraham Show, 4/10/14]

        ******************************************
        Flat on his belly in a sniper position, wearing a baseball cap and a flak jacket, a protester aimed his semi-automatic rifle from the edge of an overpass and waited as a crowd below stood its ground against U.S. federal agents in the Nevada desert. [Reuters, 4/17/14]

        KLAS-TV Las Vegas: Militia Man Joining Bundy Protest Said “We Provide Armed Response.” On April 10, a local Las Vegas news station KLAS-TV reported that one militia man coming to support Bundy said, “That is what we do. We provide armed response … We need guns to protect ourselves from the tyrannical government.” [KLAS-TV Las Vegas, 4/10/14]

        ******************************************
        All this sounds like Bundy and his supports threatened violence on our nations law enforcement personnel. And here is a picture of one of them even pointing a gun at them.

        • S7teen70six

          The fucking federal government shows up in full tactical gear with weapons drawn on this guy and his family and you think that he and his family don’t have the right to defend their property or their lives? You, apparently, are not a human being. And you don’t understand the first thing about our Constitution.

          Who drew the weapons first and made all the threats? What you harp on is the reaction to what the feds did to this man. We fought a revolutionary war in this country to stop abusive governments from doing exactly what BLM did under the orders of this Nobel Peace Prize winning president. So fuck off!

          • BannedAgain18

            “fucking federal government shows up in full tactical gear with weapons drawn on this guy and his family”

            You clearly have no idea what actually happened. It was much more than a simple “guy and his family” there. What about the all the militia guys with all their guns?

            No, in this country you do not have the right to break the law. You do not have the right to pull a gun or threaten law enforcement. You do have the right to go to the courts, but if you lose you lose.

            All you righties have taken a complete 180 degree turn on law and order haven’t you?

            • S7teen70six

              Again you misrepresent the facts. But of course that was what you always intended to do. Those militias came after the BLM did its thing. You are a professional liar that will say or do anything to protect the power that you people think you have over the rest of us. Fuck off Obot!

    • S7teen70six

      I am really beginning to doubt that you are as stupid as you seem. I mean, no rational person could possibly derive the views you have from the comments here. You are just making shit up and repeating it ad nauseam hoping that eventually someone will believe your bullshit. So you are either being intentionally obtuse or you need to be institutionalized. Either way you need some professional help. Not that it will do any good.

      • Deapster

        I think he gets talking points from a central command and then he tries to present them as his own, which is where and how he gets all tied up with his own words written here.

        They are not his thoughts – just paid by the word to post something in irrational defense whenever BHO or HRC are rightly under attack. It is just a job.

        His heart is not in it. Otherwise, he would make sense and there would be internal consistency. No wonder he wants Obama to raise minimum wage. He has no other skills.

    • BannedAgain18

      all the replies below can be summarized as:

      > you are so stupid

      > you get talking points from central command

      > he wants Obama to raise the minimum wage

      > “You, sir, are a good little Nazi.”

      > “you are a damn fool!”

      > “And a fucking idiot.”

      > “Reeking of desperation, the obot is watching his carefully groomed hero/heroine losing serious traction in the public’s eye.”

      > “Perfect paid troll behavior.”

      > “You point out the value of hearing the obot out. Exposing the canned response patterns.”

      > etc.

      Very funny group of 10 year old respondents here.

      • S7teen70six

        It’s the most appropriate we can offer to a kindergarten clown like you.

        • BannedAgain18

          no doubt that is all you can offer……

          • S7teen70six

            Bingo! To a dumb shit like you it is.

      • Deapster

        If you an’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen obot.

        Those were all statements stating the obvious. A for accuracy.

        You were trolling for feedback; be glad we still cared enough to give it back to you.

        • BannedAgain18

          the point is that that is not much “heat”.. just a bunch of junior varsity comments. makes you all look silly and immature. undercuts your credibility when all you got is personal insults and wacky conspiracies….

  • S7teen70six

    America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.
    Alexis de Tocqueville

    • Deapster

      People come to this country to share our values; not bring their own failed ones along with them. That is why the massive non-assimilation of the illegal immigrant wave in California has been such a turning point. Not sure how the second and third generations will later evolve, but they seem to settle for settling rather than showing any free enterprise sparks.

  • Valentine Bonnaire

    One last thing — I saw this film — a long time ago? “Burnt by the Sun” — this film. This is going to explain very many things about what life under Stalin was like. Believe me, Putin is not Stalin, and I don’t think Putin is Hitler either. Not after the history in his own country. I’m not kidding. If you watch this — think of what years these are. My grandparents were flappers in the Gatsby age here. Have empathy as you see what happened someplace else. Here it is, overlaid with subtitles. It will be one of the finest films you have ever seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feGEM685X-8

  • Valentine Bonnaire

    This is something to think about, from my field. Depth Psychology. If we were to look at a three generation genogram for this time frame: 1914——-1950———2014 that is a span of 100 years. Those of us born after WW2 and into the Cold war era here in the USA are in a very different psychic place than say, Merkel or Putin. It’s important to know this. Yes, we are Americans. Yes, there was Hiroshima. Rage will be held in the “children” whose parents suffered a genocide. We are seeing this now. If we were to look at Rage/Shame/Fear in Europe and we look at the Baby Boom era across Russia/Europe/America during this era it is a very different exp. For these three cultures. I’m going to get you the vid for Ukraine. Now in ancient times “Kiev” was Russian. It was. But we are looking at a three generation model. Our parents were WW2 in this gen. Our grandparents were WW1. Who holds rage across the world in this moment of 2014? It will be held in the generation of children whose parents went through a genocide — across cultures, and after every war. In the Ukraine — both Hitler and Stalin had their way. It requires one to suspend judgment and watch this video. As a historic document. As you see the faces on the news? Try and use empathy to understand FEAR or Rage as held as mythos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-hQ4dvrSqk

  • Valentine Bonnaire

    I want you to see this. This is about “pride” in a nationalistic sense, but this is about the Russian people post Stalin and post Lenin. It wasn’t until I started to research and look at vintage footage that I began to see the horror Russia went through. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awWAd-jdwDg

    • Deapster

      Putin’s English is sure better than Obama’s Russian.

      • buzzlatte3

        Hell, his english is better than Obama’s, too.

  • Valentine Bonnaire

    Really glad you wrote this! I’ve been sending great amounts of time reading the comments at the Russian papers, as well as coverage from Voice of Russia, Ria Novosti, ITAR-TASS and RT (all in English) ever since the Putin NYT Op-Ed. Something Americans do not realize is how we are viewed and Larry just did a superb job describing that. Compared to Russia how many years of history do we have? A few hundred years or so… not in the 1000′s. I began to research the Cold War in youtube, and also WW2 — it is imperative to understand what happened not only for Russia, but also in the Ukraine area which leads into this conflict right now. This concept of Putin’s seems to not be exactly Tsar, but, wants to restore pre-Stalin and pre-Lenin which you could see in Dr. Zhivago? The grandeur. There is a vid about that I will get. Also Larry & Co. Here comes that dirty piece of pie. Important to read between the lines on this one because it just is. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-27/russian-billions-scattered-abroad-leave-trail-to-putin-circle.html

    • DianaLC

      I found these posts so very interesting. I am the great-granddaughter of Germans from Russia. My four sets of great-grandparents came to the U.s. after escaping Russia during the last nears of the last (and very stupid) czar and just as the Bolsheviks were starting their reign of terror.
      My mother’s families came from the Wiesenseite of the Volga. their families had been brought to Russia to farm the areas along the Volga by Catherine the Great because she wanted to stop importing food for her people. They lived in very poor conditions for a long time as they built up the areas that had no trees and impacted soils from having nothing but wild roots. They eventually lived in Russia for over 100 years.
      My fathers families were brought to Russia under Alexander I, Catherine’s grandson, to farm the steppes above the Black Sea. That land had been held for a while by noble Russians after Russia had acquired it from the Ottomans. Eventually the Germans who farmed that area above Odessa into Ukraine also made that land prosper as a great farming region.
      The two horrible famines that are mentioned in your second video devastated many of the German farmers who had remained there. The other German farmers (“Kulaks”) had been rounded up and sent to Siberia.
      There is a large organization of Germans from Russia here in the US and in Canada. (I have many distant relatives in Canada on my father’s side)
      One of the stories I was told is that our people (“Die Leute”) called America “the good step-mother” after having left “Mother Russia.”
      I have read, of course, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich so I did know of much of this history.
      The one thing I wonder about is if the Russians in trying to rebuild the grandeur of Russia’s long history have really looked into the abject poverty many of its poorest people endured under the Russian czars.
      That is one reason that Catherine decided to bring in the farmers from Europe, but mostly Germany. My people when they lived in Europe were also often poor because of the many hundreds of religious wars that had occurred, but also because of religious persecution. Catherine offered them land and freedom of religion. And she acquired farmers who eventually built Russia into an agricultural power in the world.
      Under Staling the farms they had built after a century of hard work were turned into experiments in “factory farming” or “communal farming.”
      I know how my families immigrant status affected me as I was growing up, but we were always happy we had come here.
      As a side note, as a young adult of the sixties and seventies here, I felt great guilt over what happened in Vietnam, but before that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I knew the “reason’ for using the bomb, but it still seemed so very awful.
      The sins of the father……….

      • Valentine Bonnaire

        We are the same age group I bet. As a child it was all duck and cover in school. I can remember being taught about Japan and how we stopped the war, so this is a belief system I and many others will hold. But, that may not be the case as other nations looked on. It wasn’t history I knew about Russia? Because frankly I don’t think we heard anything about Russia until Reagan — it was all Cold war and silence after JFK — for my generation. Until just now, Vietnam was the big war. If you want a laugh, you can see Kerry in the youtubes and jane Fonda literally from 1971. Watergate was pretty seminal. The youtubes and films can fill in all the back story — especailly the vintage films. British Pathe has just released an entire film vault into youtube. To see footage of Truman at Yalta shaking hands with Stalin was something. We can’t possibly understand Stalin unless we lived through Stalin? I was thinking of my grandfather. He was born in 1900, so at 18 he would have seen the last Tzar. There are even documentaries on that. I think this admin is uninterested in any kind of peace and diplomacy has never even been on the table. As I thought about it, (and I will admit I don’t know enough) because non-CIA, but knows depth psych — any push from outside at a country that lived through Stalin era? And Hitler era? The nationalism you see is about protecting, not massacre. As for us, we are broken because of what our politicians did — for instance Nafta and now the TPP, jobs outsourced, our society gutted. All I had to do was look at vids on Detroit and compare/contrast with vids on Moscow. They aren’t dying, believe me. Our politicians set up our own failure as they made China and India rich. Now because of the BRICS deal? Take a look at those vids. To me? Putin loves the Russian people. His own childhood if you look at his birthdate — there wasn’t food. Leningrad had been destroyed. His KGB isnt that like our CIA? Maybe maybe not. Like us he went to college, like us we have lived the same exact era in history ensemble. It wasn’t until I saw the comments at the papers in FB that I began to realize how we are viewed for Hiroshima, or the American Indians. Until that Op-ed, I hadn’t given thought to Russia, but we don’t really have a free press here anymore. It isn’t. In fact you might watch the vids on the press corps in ytube. It’s just unreal to watch someone like Jake Tapper? And what happened. In a way it is horror. We can’t really know how we are perceived? But god don’t start WW3 — it’s over. We could use that timeline to dissect events globally as shaping forces for each country not at peace? If the world had 100 years of PEACE — we could rewrite the narrative. The bigger issues for me are the foodchain, Fukushima, the death of the bees. Those things come first. We have to try and stop war because we have to. The path we are on, with this level of arrogance toward Putin? Nuclear is one button away.
        Hugs.

        • buzzlatte3

          Depends on where you grew up. I did near a strategic air command base and in the distance a nuclear sub base. It was all about the Russians, the cold War, the bomb, duck and cover, 21/2 minutes to the P wave hit on the city from Hanford Nuclear Reservation. And what’s being homegrown the whole time near Anarchy Alley/Seattle? Mama of Obama’s red rooted radicalism. Don’t ever believe for a moment that Obama isn’t steeped in Communism.

          • Valentine Bonnaire

            You know, back in late 2007, when we really were blogging? I could not get who these dems were? I mean that. I could not understand the stances, and you are right — that whole Alinsky deal? Now, Jerry Brown was our dem when I was little, Carter was “humanitarian” Brown was “eco” even in 70′s — like you guys are up there? But, for all the radicalism that was Berkeley or UCLA early 70′s — that gen is years older or so… these dems? They are Red dems on some crazy level that might be Mao-ish. Meanwhile, they seem to have a rule the world thing going on as well — so this is NOT JFK/MLK at all. They aren’t even eco, the gmo is non-bothersome? You start trying to wonder. I mean really wonder. These are selfish party hardy in the now, aggro people. These are not Love & Peace hippie dems. These are weird nuke ‘em high dems. They lost me. After all those years of loyalty. Whatever course we are on? Omg. I really don’t know. Also you are so right on her? It’s in that group too — age wise. They love everything he does — I mean 70 year olds? So their kids are like 40 and bought it hook line and sinker. It’s the hippie kids. The kids the hippies had during the commune era. I think.

            • Valentine Bonnaire

              watch this — it is going to explain who these dems are — I watched it, I thought — god here it is in a nutshell… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb8yRk0CKeA it even has Jane revisited.

              • buzzlatte3

                Love th i s movie.

            • buzzlatte3

              Yep. They, the reddest of the red, love their dreams of a totalitarian utopia. It turns them on to create more and more laws and rules to keep everyone “safe”, or “paying their fair share”. Hence, Common Core, ACA, the IRS overreach, etc. The worst are the ones that still believe it’s all about Mother Earth or peace and love. They are the true mindless minions. They would shriek and melt if they ever opened themselves up to the truth of Clinton/Obama cabal. I have several friends and relatives that are in complete denial. They can’t understand why everyone isn’t getting on the Kumbyah Bus and singing happy songs and making room for illegals.

              • Valentine Bonnaire

                Here is some irony on that out of Colorado. I just read where Rand Paul is adored. So see that 70 year old mom in the film ala Jane? She loves Rand. Funny turn of events. I miss America when it felt good. It did. It is very non-clear what trajectory we are on. I never felt fear in my own country, or fear from the politics until the Putin Op-Ed. I really didn’t. Maybe that is the game — give us all heart attacks. I don’t know. 2000 was still a good year. 2014? No clue. Also, even though I did not agree with Bush at the time? At least I knew he was a Texan. In that era I did not feel stark fear. About my own government. I’m afraid this Putin/Obama deal? Russia was our ally. Not any more. Europe needs that gas. China and India love him. We? I don’t know. Can hardly look at the news, for the fear of what the outcome will be on this.

        • DianaLC

          I hosted three Japanese exchange students. They stayed with me for a month through their school break. They were only 13 years old. The next year, my three stayed with their families. Each time when the anniversary of Hiroshima came about, my children were there. They WERE asked about it. An I made them read the Hersey book about Hiroshima so they would be prepared with the right answers and discussed what we had been taught about the reason we dropped the bombs.
          But the Japanese were people who respected strength, so they spent the late 70s and 80s as the up and coming economy, often imitating their conquerors in business. Japanese Quality Circles were the “in” thing to study for American industries.
          About Vietnam, I hated how the hippies and war protestors badgered the mostly drafted soldiers and called them names–as my brother and several cousins had served. I disliked the young men in college who were there to party and avoid the war. I had a classmate die from Agent Orange years afterwards, leaving a young wife and daughters.
          When my first child was born, I wanted not baby shower gifts. I wanted money to be donated instead to an organization for Amerasian children in Vietnam, children of American soldiers who were being discriminated against. I felt most guilty about that.
          I am a Christian, so I do not count ever on 100 years of peace to heal the wounds of the “sins of the fathers.” I count someday hopefully of a different change, but must leave that to God and try on my own to find understanding for all people’s motives.

          • Valentine Bonnaire

            I can’t even imagine what that must have been like for you and your kids. We are hated for what we felt “stopped” the war. I was your daughter’s age during Vietnam. Years later what you are saying? I worked as a therapist with some vets. It’s just as you say. They came back, and it was a nightmare. In fact, I had that vet in my office the day of 9/11 and right after him a client who had fled here for asylum because she was an unwed mother in the Middle East. I had to sit there, first with his rage, and then her fear as the violence was breaking on the news. It just seems we have been rudderless since, somehow. I didn’t want that war to start. I remember it exactly, as it started. I care about the soldiers. The PTSD, the non-support. Our boys. Also, the part of me that understands the rage coming in the next gen of kids? Remember how we got all the Toyotas in the 70′s suddenly. That was a post Hiro thing maybe. I think about Detroit. Our CARS. We made everything here. Everything. Nationalism and protectionism — where did that go? It’s tragic. A little of that would be a great idea. Put us first. I don’t think they care. These politicians all watched “Wall Street” and they lapped it up. Hugs you guys. Keeps fingers crossed. For us, for Americans.

  • Deapster

    EW Jackson, a direct descendent of slaves said the following when running for Lt Gov of Virginia:

    ….“In 1960, most black children were raised in two-parent, monogamous families,” Jackson said. “By now, by this time, we only have 20 percent of black children being raised in two-parent, monogamous families with a married man and woman raising those children.

    It wasn’t slavery that did that, it was government that did that, trying to solve problems that only God can solve, and that only we as human beings can solve.” …..

    • stodghie

      lyndon johnson’s not so great society sure helped create this mess.

      • Retired_from_SPOnaj

        Johnson achieved what he intended to achieve–most blacks now vote Democratic. That fact that the blowback from that is screwing up the black population for generations to come is really irrelevant. The Dems have their votes, and they use tax dollars to pay for them.

        • stodghie

          you are 100% correct. in fact johnson even bragged about getting the votes. thanks for pointing that out.

        • S7teen70six

          Except in Johnson’s case the word he used to describe them was niggers. Great Democrat president that he was.

          • Retired_from_SPOnaj

            His actual quote, as reported by at least on person present, was, “I’ll have them niggers voting Democratic for two hundred years.” But I don’t recall the NAACP revoking his lifetime achievement award.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Speaking of Barbie, did you know that out here in Hollywood, they’ve settled on a deal to make one or more Barbie movies based on the Barbie doll? I wonder whether Barbie and Ken will visit Lyon in one of the episodes?

    • DianaLC

      I am happy I had only sons and now have only grandsons. I have another grandchild on the way, but I’ve made that son promise that if his child is a gril, she will not be given a Barbie doll. The horror!

      • buzzlatte3

        Except when all the little play date friends have ten, Miss Granddaughter will want ten Barbies, too. It happened to our family.

        • DianaLC

          Well, right now the new baby has only male cousins on both sides of the family, and the chance of a new cousin coming after her is very slim.
          Maybe I also tell them she can’t have play dates with other little girls except in her own home. Thanks for the heads up.

  • wyntre

    Excellent essay.

    “We have a Federal Government that is trying to muzzle what’s left of the free press and is aggressively prosecuting whistleblowers and accusing them effectively of being “enemies” of the state.”

  • Deapster

    As long as we are speculating about improbable scenarios, try this one one:

    1. Dennis Rodman has really been negotiating with North Korea to have a Nixon in China moment for The One.

    2. Everything is very hush, hush in the WH so only a very few trusted insiders even know about this rapprochement with NK.

    3. North Korea threatens to bomb LA and SF to show they are a mean and dangerous kid on the block putting all of America in peril.

    4. Michelle Obama goes to China alone a few weeks ago and continues with the secret negotiations.

    5. Obama now in Asia finalizes the Grand Detour to the North Korea capital (Pynmougang sp?).

    6. The world cheers and finally exhales knowing that the Great Nobel Peace Prize winner has saved the entire planet from the whims of a madman with his own private erector set and BombsRUS catalog.

    7. The world hails the diplomatic breakthrough as the equivalent of finally making peace with Albania.

    8. The historic event is later turned into an opera by Philip Glass.

    • Deapster

      OMG: life is imitating life. Obama draws another Red Line. Time to invest in war bonds again.

      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/26/barack-obama-warns-north-korea-over-nuclear-testing

      Failing to appreciate the irony of his own rhetoric, Obama makes the following threat to NK:

      ….”Obama said of North Korea’s attempts to show force:

      “Anybody can make threats. Anyone can move an army. Anyone can show off a missile. That doesn’t make you strong.

      “We we will not hesitate to use our military might to defend our allies and our way of life.” ….

      • Deapster

        Scene Two:

        Obama blusters tough guy to NK. Just in case people for got: NK=Bad; Obama= Good.

        NK capitulates at the sound of Obama’s teleprompter and opens the door to Obama entreaties, rather than dare suffer Obama’s wrath.

        Or is this latest Red Line now drawn in NK really evidence of a rash closely resembling foot in mouth disease.

        Or, heh, heh, heh … is this Red Line really a carefully choreographed stage play starring none other than our favorite shape-shifter, The Won. The Won takes on Little Boy.

        Grab your popcorn as I suspect Scene Three is soon to follow today’s cliff-hanger ending.

      • Deapster

        And furthermore:

        UNDERSTANDING OF THE UNITED STATES (3)

        The United States Senate gave its advice and consent to the ratification of the treaty subject to the following understanding:

        It is the understanding of the United States that neither party is obligated, under Article III of the above Treaty, to come to the aid of the other except in case of an external armed attack against such party; nor shall anything in the present Treaty be construed as requiring the United States to give assistance to Korea except in the event of an armed attack against territory which has been recognized by the United States as lawfully brought under the administrative control of the Republic of Korea.

        The United States communicated the text of the understanding to the Republic of Korea in a note of January 28, 1954, acknowledged by the Republic of Korea in a note of February 1, 1954. The text of the understanding was included in the President’s proclamation of November 17, 1954.

        (1) TIAS 3097, 5 UST 23602376. Ratification advised by the Senate Jan. 26, 1954, and ratified by the President Feb. 5, 1954, subject to an understanding; entered into force Nov. 17, 1954.

        (2) Ratifications were exchanged Nov. 17, 1954.

      • KenoshaMarge

        Obama talking tough?

    • DianaLC

      Isn’t it amazing how a great narcissist views himself!!!

  • S7teen70six

    Speaking of ineloquent comments…

    Sarah Palin at the NRA Convention

    Discussing “enemies who would utterly annihilate America – they who’d obviously have information on plots,” she said, “Oh, but you can’t offend them, can’t make them feel uncomfortable, not even a smidgen.”

    “Well, if I were in charge,” she continued, as the audience erupted in applause at the prospect, “they would know that waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists.”

    I really like this lady but this is well beyond my comfort zone with her.

    • John_Frank

      LOL … I was waiting for someone to raise what she said.

      Put it in context. She was talking about Hassan’s killing of American soldiers at Fort Hood while yelling Allah Akbar.

      So, you are squeamish that Palin is making it clear that she has no brook with terrorists, including Hassan, unlike Obama who thinks Hassan’s killing of American soldiers was simply an act of work place violence?

      For those who missed it, follows is the full video of Governor Palin’s speech as posted by the NRA:

      2014 NRA Stand and Fight Rally: Sarah Palin
      http://youtu.be/lVlQTYDFTTo

      Published on Apr 27, 2014
      Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin
      speaks at the NRA Stand and Fight Rally, an event of the 2014 NRA Annual Meetings in Indianapolis, Indiana. Originally aired on 4/26/14.

      • S7teen70six

        I am not squeamish about anything. I oppose waterboarding.

        • John_Frank

          I don’t like the use of it either.

          However, when you are President, you swear an oath to protect the constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic.

          Is the use of waterboarding unconstitutional? Some lawyers think it is not, other lawyers think that it is.

          Did past use of waterboarding on terrorists lead to actionable intelligence? Those who were responsible for the use of waterboarding say that it did.

          When you are President and you have a terrorist in your custody who can give you actionable intelligence that can prevent an attack on America, what do you do?

          Do you read the individual his or her Miranda rights and play investigatory patty cake, or do you …

          You may or may not authorize the use of waterboarding, providing it is not ruled by the courts as unconstitutional.

          However, as long as the usage is not ruled as being against the constitution, and counsel opines the usage is lawful, it defies common sense to simply say, because I oppose waterboarding I will never authorize it.

          • S7teen70six

            I can assure you that I will never authorize the use of waterboarding. I find Palin’s neocon nonsense quite off-putting.

            • John_Frank

              Oh right … here we go … because someone wants to use common sense … that is being ….

              • Deapster

                Oh dear, where is the off switch. MacGruber, STAT!

                • John_Frank

                  You have made your point. Thank you for the education.

                  As I noted up thread, I do not watch 24, nor do I watch any of the Hollywood torture fantasies, thank you very much.

                  • S7teen70six

                    Maybe you have seen this, maybe not. Ali Soufan has more credibility on the subject of interrogation than anything you have referenced. I also suggest that you read his book Black Banners.

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1ivoWW1-4U#

                    • John_Frank

                      Thanks.

                    • MJUdall

                      I saw the HBO documentary Manhunt. He appeared in that as well, along with a bunch of other CIA analysts and intel experts aka Soufan’s peers in the war on terror. The documentary, surprisingly for HBO, was more fair than this 60 minutes liberal media one sided trash. What Soufan says is not the be all end all. If you think so you’re about as one sided as that piece.

                      Soufan and others like him who appeared in that doc have their beliefs that the methods used did not help secure information and there are others who do believe that it did.

                      There are two sides to every story.

                    • S7teen70six

                      I will check out the documentary and respond afterward. Thanks for the tip!

                    • MJUdall

                      Here it’s free so you do not have to purchase a rental on Netflix. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w06I6_aTuHc

                    • S7teen70six

                      I watched the special and found it extremely informing. I learned a lot of things I didn’t know. At one point Rodriguez seemed to be justifying waterboarding because he was frustrated not being able to answer the question of where bin Laden was constantly. And I would like to see an actual comparison of results between those engaged by Rodriguez and those engaged in by Soufan.

                      Here is the video of the special for anyone else interested in watching it. It is an hour and 42 minutes long but well worth the watch for history and political junkies. It’s actually very worthwhile for everyone to watch. Quite educational.

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDh_7JSkZ9g

              • S7teen70six

                I don’t consider adolescent threatening to be using common sense.

    • KenoshaMarge

      Beyond mine too.

      • John_Frank

        You are the President. The CIA has captured a terrorist who could you give actionable intelligence that may prevent a terrorist attack. You are asked for authorization to use waterboarding. You refuse.

        When the bombs go off and hundreds of Americans are killed as a result of a terrorist attack in NYC, what will you say to the American people? What will you say to yourself late at night?

        How will you answer the question, did I do all that I could to protect Americans and keep them safe?

        • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

          A total bullshit scenario. You’ve obviously never worked in an actual security/intel position. You’ve spent too much time watching “24″ and other Hollywood torture fantasies.

          • Deapster

            Yes, the hypothetical was a giveaway. I remember hearing these types of scenarios pretty much debunked for all sorts of technical reasons. Maybe a skit for SNL McGyver?

          • John_Frank

            No I have not watched 24, nor do I get any joy out of Hollywood torture fantasies thank you very much … not

            I was recalling a scenario that I believe a leading member of the Senate Armed Services Committee had described if memory serves me correctly.

            I stand corrected.

          • Retired_from_SPOnaj

            Larry, I only got through the first season of 24, until they baited and switched me on killing Jack’s wife. Then I got the entire series of the old “Secret Agent” TV show as a gift and switched to that. Did you know that John Drake started out as a NATO case officer working out of DC in the first season, before they got the cool theme song? Then he became a Brit.
            Actually, I always thought that The Rockford Files was a more accurate portrayal of LA reality than 24.

        • Retired_from_SPOnaj

          Is the problem that the President and intelligence officers face nowadays really that simple? Wow, things have certainly become easier since I retired. In my day, we never knew in advance which terrorists that we captured knew what, we got that from the interrogation process or, if we were really lucky, something that they were carrying on them, like documents. Of course, if they were carrying documents with actionable intelligence that told us when the bombs were going to go off and from where, then we wouldn’t have to torture them in the first place.
          Things have certainly gotten complicated in the past few years. Fortunately, Bruce Jessen has given us the magic solution (pun intended)

          • John_Frank

            Thank you for being so kind in hitting me upside the head in such a gracious manner.

          • DianaLC

            But, but, but…..doesn’t it all happen the way they portray it on Tee Vee and in the Moovies?

        • KenoshaMarge

          Another question is have I descended to the level of those who attack me?

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      If this is an accurate quote, then it is one more piece of evidence that she is not competent to hold higher office. It must be ignorance. Otherwise, how does she explain the justification of the United States for prosecuting Japanese soldiers for war crimes for performing water boarding on US soldiers? Israel showed us that you can take a heinous terrorist, like Adolf Eichmann, treat him humanely despite his monstrous inhumanity, and mete out justice. A shame that Sara is so immature and silly.

      • S7teen70six

        Here is a link to the video. She said it. No doubt about that.

        http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sarah-palin-talks-waterboarding-guns-at-nra-convention/

      • John_Frank

        Regan said some things that a lot of people thought indicated he was not fit for higher office.

        Obama on the other hand made lots of high sounding statements prior to his election and in most cases he has gone back on them.

        This was a rally speech, not a policy speech.

        People may think her remarks were immature and silly, but a lot of people construed her comments as a sign of toughness.

        Oh yes, her first name is spelt Sarah, not Sara.

        • Deapster

          Obama healed fainting ladies at campaign rallies, claimed they were going to be “jes fine” and does not even have an EMT license.

          How much more proof is required he was wholly unfit for higher office. But the rest is history.

      • MJUdall

        Japanese did more than just waterboard Larry. You know that. What some of our guys did is not even in the same league.
        Hindsight is nice when you don’t have mass casualties in the streets. And when you do, rest assured the quislings in either the media or on Capitol Hill will be breathing down your neck asking “why didn’t you do anything? Why didn’t you stop it? What did you know and when do you know it?????”
        Palin didn’t create that type of climate. They did. If she became the POTUS and was going put the fear of God into our enemies maybe they’d think twice before doing anything.
        Reagan used similar rhetoric against America’s enemies.
        And as far as the last five years with Obama calling attacks like Ft Hood workplace violence incidents and overseas contingency operations etc. people have had enough of this bulls—t.

    • MJUdall

      Funny how the left is all up in arms about this comment yet they all look the other way while Obama is bombing the f—k out of certain groups of people with his drones. Oh he said he wouldn’t do that to them on the campaign trail. Again, another broken promise.
      She was being provocative on purpose. It was meant to get notice. And there are a lot of people who prefer someone talking plainly and tough instead of using PC political consultant speak. People in this country have had enough of that bullsh–t to last a life time.

      • KenoshaMarge

        Never expect any consistency or integrity from the left. They talk out of both sides of their mouths, condemn in others what they do themselves and lie if their lips are moving.
        The sooner all decent Americans realize that, and that many/most Republicans are the same type of critter the better off we will be.

        We will NEVER change them, but we can contain them. But only if we are better than they are and all work towards the same goal.

        And with nearly 1/2 the country bought and paid for…

        • S7teen70six

          You would think that there were actual patriots left that would be willing to give up their pet projects and personal interests to get rid of these liberals in our midst. It is quite apparent that they are ruining our country with no apparent end in sight.

          • KenoshaMarge

            You would think so wouldn’t you? And yet all evidence suggests otherwise.

            There are some patriots but not nearly enough. And they can’t agree about what should be done either.

        • S7teen70six

          They talk out of both sides of their mouth and out of their ass at the same time. Quite talented psychopaths. But psychopaths just the same.

          • KenoshaMarge

            Contortionists as well.
            Only when 90% of Americans are “Independent” of any political party, and mean it not just say it because they happen to be pissed at their party at that moment, will we see some changes.
            As long as people act like adolescents and make “celebrities” of politicians we can’t have an adult government that “works” for all of us.
            And only when people look at the talking heads on the nightly news as biased and dishonest ideologues who haven’t the faintest idea of what it takes to be a journalist will some change come.

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      Which is one reason, Sarah, why you will never, ever, actually be in charge.
      The real world answer is, “We do not discuss the details of how we interrogate those that we take into our custody other than to say that such interrogation will always be entirely in accordance with American law and the values of American society.”
      Typically, when an opponent is captured, s/he will have been indoctrinated in many falsehoods about America and Americans. They will also typically believe that we know little, if anything, about what motivates them and the information that they possess. A comprehensive interrogation process that skillfully and knowledgeably disabuses them of the falsehoods as well as shakes their belief in how little we know of them is the surest way to gain their willing cooperation. This is not easy. I’ve seen it work in actual war, however, and the results not only end up saving lives, but also typically result in all parties concerned, both interrogator(s) as well as subject(s), feeling better about themselves than if the alternative course of action had been undertaken.

      • Fred82

        In your personal opinion, who were the most ideologically committed bad guys you dealt with?

        • Retired_from_SPOnaj

          In my case, it was the young Osama bin Laden’s pre al Qaeda group of the mid 1980s. That was when we were allies of sorts, by the way, united in an effort to push the Soviets out of Afghanistan. Contrary to the traditional Arab saying, in that case it was clear that the enemy of my enemy was also my enemy.

          • Fred82

            Thanks.

            Did u have any dealings with the Norks? From what I have found thus far, their military personnel, particularly the SOF and intelligence officers are known to be quite ideologically committed.

            Additionally, what was your general opinion on the strength of the ideological commitment of the KGB? Did they tend to lean more towards Communism or Russian nationalism?

            • Retired_from_SPOnaj

              I’ve never dealt with the Norks, so I couldn’t comment on them. My dealings with the KGB lead me to believe that they were Russians first, and Communists only insofar as they needed to be out of self interest. The classic American analogy to this attitude at CIA would be John Brennan and Michael Morrell.

              • Fred82

                How difficult was it to turn or entice KGB officers to defect? A former teacher of mine, an old British intel guy, said that the percentage of KGB operatives defecting were quite low. He went on to say he didn’t trust the ones who did defect.

                On another note, speaking of Brennan, what is the general attitude at the CIA towards the Saudis? Is their a significant difference of opinions re the Saudis at NCS compared with the analytical side?

                • Retired_from_SPOnaj

                  For the most part, KGB defectors were walk ins (i.e., volunteers), as were most CIA defectors, so they weren’t difficult at all to entice. As far as the “percentage” of KGB defectors being “quite low,” as compared to what? Certainly not in comparison to CIA defectors.
                  Generally, I would say that CIA analysts see the Saudis as a thoroughly corrupt monarchy desperately trying to hold on to power, using the only tool that they’ve got, money, while case officers see them as targets against which a certain bag of tricks needs to be employed by a certain type of case officer. Please don’t ask me to describe the Saudi bag of recruitment tricks and what type of case officer is most successful in performing the magic.

                  • Fred82

                    I think he meant low as in a low percentage of KGB/GRU operatives in the West actually defected. His point was generally that exposure to Western ways of life wasn’t an instant cause of defection. Both he and an individual whom worked with the Agency stated that KGB defectors were often bullshit artists seeking to pass disinformation to the West and/or over inflate their own importance.

                    On another note, given the ideological commitment of bonafide AQ types, how hard has it generally been to turn or recruit them? Additionally, what is your opinion of Hezbollah’s ideological commitment and the difficulty involved in turning and/or recruiting Hezbollah operatives?

                    Furthermore, how difficult a target has the Sepah-e Pasdaran generally been?

                    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

                      I think that case officers defect because of their perception of what the could have, as opposed to what they do have. Russians in general are bullshit artists, so it stands to reason that KGB defectors, who are trained in refined bullshit, would come off as bullshit artists.
                      I don’t believe that a bona fide active duty AQ type can be recruited. In order to be recruited, an AQ type would have to mentally and emotionally break with the ideology to a great extent.
                      As far as Hezbollah is concerned, like Americans, military and intelligence Hezbollah types are more ideologically committed, and thus generally more difficult to recruit than, say, Hezbollah postal clerks or social workers.

                    • Fred82

                      You ain’t lying about Russians as BS artists.

                      On another note, how committed and capable did you find the Cubans?

                      Likewise, does your general opinion of Hezbollah carry over to the Sepah e Pasdaran?

      • John_Frank

        FYI, Palin was in Iowa in Sunday for another rally. When asked by an NBC news reporter whether she would repeat her waterboarding remark, Palin said in reply:

        “Would I make it again? Why wouldn’t I, yeah, absolutely. Terrorists who want to annihilate Americans, innocent Americans, our children – whatever it takes to stop them. If I were in charge, I’d be stoppin’ em,” she said.
        http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sarah-palin-out-mama-grizzly-doubles-down-terrorist-remark-n91061

    • buzzlatte3

      Im not surprised, in a good way. She speaks to the children of WWII and the Cold War. A little fear can be a good thing for those that would do the country harm. Consider it a balancing out of Obama’s pink panties foreign policy.

  • John_Frank

    Thank you for this post.

    A couple of additional observations:

    1. Cliven Bundy’s original remarks

    Bundy’s original remarks caused such an uproar, when he talked about the negro, picking cotton and then wondered if they would would be better of under slavery, no question it was at that point that he went off the rails.

    Yes context matters, but no one is better of under slavery, referencing how blacks were enslaved prior to the Civil War.

    It was fortunate for Cliven Bundy that Niger Innis took the time to help Mr. Bundy understand the reason for the outrage over how he had originally expressed himself, ultimately leading to:

    Bundy asks for forgiveness, refocuses on land rights
    http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/25344652/bundy-asks-for-forgiveness-refocuses-on-land-rights

    2. With respect to Ukraine

    Barrack Hussein Obama II is the President.

    He nominated John Kerry to be his Secretary of State. He nominated Victoria Nuland for the position of Assistant Secretary of European and Asian affairs. He nominated Samantha Power to the position of U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. He appointed Susan Rice to be his national security adviser.

    So, with all due respect, it is not a matter of acceding to the positions taken by people like Senator McCain to avoid appearing like a wimp.

    The President and his team have made a clear decision in how to proceed. Put all the responsibility and blame on Russia for the situation in eastern Ukraine. Back up that position with ever increasing sanctions, while organizing the world to stand up against Russia, as the Ukrainian military and National Guard forces attack their own people.

    One has to ask, has the President and his team thought through all the possible consequences?

    The Majority Of Eastern Ukrainians Wants The Russian Language, Russian Money, Open Borders – But No Russian Military, No Nation Intervention And No More Ukrainian Oligarchs
    http://johnhelmer.net/?p=10640

    Russia is not going to back down.

    Brazil, China and India will not stand with the United States of America against Russia over Ukraine.

    The present stance being taken by the President and his team can only lead ultimately to one result, the breakup of Ukraine and potentially a full blown attack on the US dollar by Russia with the support of Brazil, China and India.

    No, I don’t think we will see a nuclear stand off between Russia and the United States of America over Ukraine, but who the heck knows for sure, given the arrogance of the President and his team in continually sweeping aside any legitimate Russian concerns and interests.

    3. The tie between Cliven Bundy and Ukraine

    No question there is a tie between the two situations. The Obama administration authorizing the use of a small army to take a man’s cattle because he refuses to pay fees claimed owing by an agency of the Federal Government. The Obama administration backing the Ukraine Government’s decision to use the Ukrainian military to suppress dissent in eastern Ukraine against the interim central Government, because the protesters have taken control of various municipalities, while endeavoring to place full responsibility on the Russian Federation.

    In the Cliven Bundy case, until Cliven Bundy opened his mouth and opined about slavery the LSM was silent. When he did put his foot in it, the LSM went tabloid and used Cliven Bundy’s own words without context to distract everyone from the outrage over the use of a small army to take a man’s cattle, while most conservatives and libertarian pundits and politicians simply ran for the hills.

    The outrage over what Cliven Bundy said does not change the reality of the Obama administration authorizing the use of a small army to take a man’s cattle because he has refused to pay fees claimed by the Government.

    In the Ukraine case, the LSM has been pushing the line that Putin is bad and the Ukraine Government is good, even though there are serious questions about the legitimacy of the interim Ukrainian government, along with the many actions it has taken, all to support the stance being taken by the Obama administration.

    We should all be very concerned about the tie between the two situations.

    Okay, that’s it. May the rest of your day be blessed.

    P.S. How does the Obama administration and the LSM justify the Ukrainian Government’s decision to cut off the water supply to Crimea? Is that just an acceptable use of “leverage?”

    Tit For Tat: Ukraine Blocks Crimea Water Supply With Russia Set To Halt Ukraine Gas
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-26/tit-tat-ukraine-blocks-crimea-water-supply-russia-set-halt-ukraine-gas

    • Deapster

      The big unanswered question remains what did George Soros want with Clive Bundy’s cattle?

      That being said, thank you for your thoughtful and articulate contributions here of late. You will keep us on our toes with competent argument and depth of thought.

      • S7teen70six

        To answer your question: To conduct alien experiments.

        • Deapster

          Are you sure it was not for bull testosterone extract?

      • John_Frank

        The big unanswered question remains what did George Soros want with Clive Bundy’s cattle?

        LOL … to spook the eastern Ukrainians with a stampede?

        Seriously, according to a post in the Live Updates of the following article:

        Kiev intensifies military op in Eastern Ukraine LIVE UPDATES
        http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680/

        Scroll down to 18:12 GMT on April 27. The entry reads:

        The coup-imposed authorities in Kiev are recruiting militants from Georgia to fight against the pro-federalization in the south-east of Ukraine, Izvestia newspaper reports.

        (Cough … notice the spin in the lead.)

        They mostly enlist young people, who haven’t yet decided on their political preferences, or those, who hate Russia and are close to the radical groups and gangs,” the source in the Georgian parliament told the paper.

        The recruitment is being carried out by the Free Zone NGO and United National Movement party of former Georgian president, Mikhail Saakashvili, who launched the military conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia back in 2008.

        Another unnamed MP told Izvestia that “the West gives the money to recruit radicals” to those organization.

        Will anyone in the American media start asking questions?

        For those who read Russian, or who like myself rely on Google translate, the original Izvestia report can be found at:

        http://izvestia.ru/news/569977

        I stand corrected, but was not Soros involved in financing the ‘Free Zone’ NGO and the United National Movement?

        P.S. Appreciate your kind words.

    • S7teen70six

      I would consider a shut off of water (an essential part of life) as a declaration of war and act accordingly.

      • John_Frank

        Yes, the Russian Federation could take that stance.

        It is clear from the article the Putin administration considered that the Ukraine Government might act this way and has taken precautions to ensure alternate supply to the people, while agreeing to compensate the Crimean farmers for some of their losses.

        In so doing the Putin administration is exercising restraint. Will the LSM notice and report as much? Doubt it.

        • S7teen70six

          Good point. The LSM will tell us what the government tells them to tell us.

          • John_Frank

            —–> The LSM will tell us what the government tells them to tell us.

            One of things that is so frightening about the present situation is that much of the media has given up the ghost.

            Irrespective of the view one may have about the merits of attacking Iraq, prior to launching the attack on Iraq much of the media simply went along with the lines being fed to them by the Bush administration.

            One would have thought people had learned a lesson.

            Yet, look how much of the media reacted to the decision to intervene in Libya without even a Congressional resolution authorizing the use of force, and then the subsequent misuse of the UNSC resolution by the Obama administration and NATO, ultimately leading to Gaddafi being overthrown.

            The Russians were outraged and with good reason. Meanwhile, much of the media simply applauded Hillary Clinton when she paraphrased the famous line by Julius Ceaser “I came, I saw, I conquered,” changing it to “I came, I saw, we killed him.”

            We then witnessed the same thing happen in the lead up to the decision by the administration on whether to attack Syria over the use of chemical weapons.

            The only thing that saved us there was our military leaders going to the President and saying no.

            Now we are witnessing the same thing happen over the situation in Ukraine. The administration leaks information and the media uncritically runs with it.

            In the meantime, when someone like Atkinson or Hersh publish reports which question the line being fed by the administration, what happens?

            In Atkinson’s case she got so frustrated with being stymied by her higher ups that she resigned and has gone free lance.

            In Hersh’s case, his most recent report over Libya and Syria, which should have lead to a media uproar, is either being ignored or ridiculed.

            I could go on and on, but I am sure people get the point.

            • S7teen70six

              Attkisson’s computer was hacked too. I’m sure that had something to do with her decision. And yes, since the original 9/11 we have pretty much lost a free press.

              • John_Frank

                Changing the topic slightly and circling back to Ukraine, why did the Obama administration’s decide to support the opposition’s rejection of the February 21 agreement?

                Oh sure, with the turfing of Yanukovich, the Obama administration could put “our people” in power and moving Ukraine out of Russia’s sphere of influence would impair Russia’s great power ambitions.

                But did anyone within the Obama administration fully think through the consequences?

                Why take control of a government that is in the hole to the tune of anywhere between 40-50 billion dollars?

                Why take control of a government whose economy is a basket case and corruption is rampant?

                Why get into an alliance with at least one political party that the European Parliament resolved just two years ago had views which were fundamentally contrary to European values and that it would be best if other Ukrainian political parties did not get into bed with this party? Is it because this party is allied with an armed para military force and we need that force to keep control. If so, what does that say about our “white hat?”

                When power swiftly changed from the regions to western Ukraine, did anyone think that the people in eastern and southern Ukraine might react badly?

                Did the Obama administration really think the Russians were going to roll over, play dead and simply forfeit their national security interests? Irrespective of Putin being an authoritarian leader or not, that is not within the Russian psyche.

                Ukraine has already lost Crimea to Russia as a result of how the Obama administration has handled the situation.

                To meet the IMF loan conditions, the Ukrainian people and much of their industry is going to get hit hard. That will ultimately throw more fuel onto the fire.

                Is the interim Government planning on using the military and national guard to put down any protests?

                What is the immediate prize?

                Was it to thwart military co-operation between Ukrainian industry and the Russian Federation? Is there some military project being conducted that either we need to get our hands on, or that we are involved in and need to protect?

                If Ukraine breaks up, and the eastern, along with the southern parts of Ukraine end up going one way and the western part goes another, what have we won?

                Is it the potential of the natural gas fields in Western Ukraine being a bonanza?

                Chevron has the development rights, but those rights would have been honored if Yanukovich had remained in power, since he signed the original agreement.

                Is the prize worth the real possibility that as a result of our actions we end up pushing the Russian Federation into an economic, military and strategic alliance with China, which is not what the Russians want?

                How would that be in our long term strategic interests?

                I am asking these questions because frankly one has to ask, does it not make more sense to simply share power with the Russians?

                Instead of dividing Europe and trying to isolate Russia, would it not be better to have an alliance that stretches from Lisbon to Vladivostok?

                Ideally, let the Ukrainians manage their own affairs and both sides simply take a hands off approach.

                However, given the present financial state of the Ukrainian Government, that is not going to happen, because without financial aid, the Ukrainian Government will collapse.

                Okay the end of my musings.

                • S7teen70six

                  You ask a lot of important questions. I have no idea why this administration is conducting the foreign policy that it is. Perhaps it is for no other reason than petty revenge for Putin making Obama look like the pathetic dumb ass he really is. I do think we are making a huge mistake pushing Russia closer to China.

                  • Deapster

                    Personal vendetta for Putin upstaging The One sounds about par for foreign policy motivation in this WH. Just as much as Saddam Huissen wanting to kill G W Bush’s dad.

                • stodghie

                  they the obama administration want to create a diversion would get the sheeps’ minds off their lost jobs and tutures for one thing. obama can point the finger at putin for being the bad guy not him. the obama admin wanted to create an incident as that is what they have done throughout the middle east and tried to do it again on our southerrn border with mexico. face it that thug is not our friend. obama despises the usa and the people.

            • stodghie

              well dang (sarcasm) if ole hillary conquered how come she and state don’t brag now about her so called success?

              • John_Frank

                Because … cough … cough …. the fallout from overthrowing Gaddafi has been a disaster.

    • Deapster

      Careful with your verb tenses when putting words into other people’s mouths. Changes the telling completely.

      • John_Frank

        Thanks. I have gone in and made a few edits in the first point, along with cleaning up the language a bit in point three.

  • no_longer_a_democrat

    good article!

  • Deapster

    Failed assimilation after the last massive wave of illegal immigration has changed America forever.

  • Deapster

    I decided 2014 is the year to say I am WASP and I am proud.

    • KenoshaMarge

      Since I am a Catholic and my family came from Ireland, I guess I’m a WASC.

      • Deapster

        Good enough. Can’t have protestants if not for the Catholics. Team sport. The tent is big.

      • HELENK2

        me too

  • S7teen70six

    Much of the problem seems to be that many people confuse exceptionalism with arrogance, as if there was any equivalence. Sadly, many citizens believe that whatever America does is just fine with them because the rest of the world is so backward. So our “mistakes” can be excused. At least we aren’t commies.

    As for me, I love our country. Just not necessarily what it has become recently. But the promise of America brought forth by our wise Founding Fathers and Mothers is a guidepost and constant source of inspiration to me. It keeps me focused and grounded when events tend to muddy the waters.

    Perhaps what is most distressing is that both political parties take no responsibility for the evil things our government does. And quite frankly, doing things like arming known terrorists with ties to those that attacked us seems to go against any and every thing that I always believed was good and right about America. But these politicians don’t care about what is right or wrong. Political expediency and power trumps moral righteousness.

    And concerning Russia, Russians have long memories. They remember the 20 million that were slaughtered by the Nazis. They remember people like Klaus Barbie and what we did with and for him. They remember the promises that were broken under American leadership. So should we be surprised that they don’t trust us?

    • Deapster

      I always thought “unique” was a better term than exceptionalism. We indeed developed a unique system of governance and with the right combination of ethics and values proved itself to be exceptional.

      • S7teen70six

        The melding of values has been replaced by pointed fingers and accusations from all sides with no one taking any responsibility for a single thing. I don’t think we need to re-invent America. We just need to remember who she really is again.

        • Deapster

          WASPs have to be on the offensive and no longer on the defensive.

          And not in terms of a negative backlash, but a quiet forceful presence that does not allow ourselves to get “Bundied”.

          WASPs need to …lean in again.

          • S7teen70six

            I don’t know… I’m sure we need some bees and at least a few ants too.

          • stodghie

            well i would say be proud of who and what you are no matter what color. and frankly i don’t owe any group an apology. i’ll be sensitive but their feelings are not my responsibility. i won’t walk on egg shells for any group. life is just too damn short for that bs.

  • HELENK2

    http://tammybruce.com/2014/04/yom-hashoah-shifras-memories-on-holocaust-remembrance-day.html

    I never knew this. and in today’s world it should be remembered

    • DianaLC

      This is the most inspiring thing I’ve read in a long time. I am so very sick of the news that I’ve been checking in only occasionally and watching stuff of the History International and Discovery channels and such. I have a few regular shows that I catch–Loving the new Surviving Jack. I have come to the point of disliking many of the FOX people also for some of their biases and misinformation.
      So a story like this reminds me that it does take just one man sometimes to do the right thing and make it possible for thousands to live. I certainly think the time is coming that we’re going to need more of these “righteous” individuals.
      Thanks for posting this and everyone else should read it.

      • S7teen70six

        I highly recommend the movie Gifted Hands if you are interested in watching an inspirational movie. It’s the story of Ben Carson and it is really VERY good. It’s on Netflix.

  • HELENK2

    America is and was not always perfect. It is governed by men. and men are not perfect. But we do have a goodness among our beliefs that many countries do not. We have helped more countries then we have hurt. We may not always live up to our own expectations but damn we do try to do so. We still have those who question government and they are always needed. We still have those who believe we can be better and try to make us be. We have had great leaders and we have had not so great leaders but we still carry on. We are lucky enough that when we have a not so great leader we can still vote him out with a ballot not a gun. Am I disappointed in today’s leadership in this country, damn right I am. They are leading down a very bad path and are not good for the future of this country. But we as a people can and should be awake and aware and do our best to make others aware if it has to be done on the internet because we have no media with guts , than that is the way it will have to be done.
    I am proud to be an American because it is a great country and I still have the right to speak out when she is wrong and do my best to make enough people aware to fix the problem

    • KenoshaMarge

      I am also proud to be an American Helen – but you and I know that being proud doesn’t mean we don’t admit our mistakes and strive to do better.

      • HELENK2

        we as a country want a better place for all. we make mistakes as all people do, but we learn and keep on trying. In this world how many countries want a better place for all and really do try to achieve it?

        • S7teen70six

          Actually many of the “socialist” countries do. But they are socialists so I guess that doesn’t count.

          • KenoshaMarge

            And when it is seen that “socialism” doesn’t work and that the majority of the people don’t want it are they content then to let democracy or the will of the people rule? Or do they force their ideas for “the common good”.
            All that I have seen, and read of socialism shows an ideology no less repulsive than dictatorships. Which is where we are heading IMO. With a media that is simply a propaganda machine and “leaders” with no honesty or integrity they are not even fit for socialism. But are willing to force their ideology as the National Socialist German Workers’ Party did.

            • Deapster

              Socialism and communism fails after the third generation.

              China is experiencing this right now and the country strategies all over again and one generation protects the privileges for the few at the expense of the many.

              And Mao had to kill millions of people in order to achieve his version of “equality”. Hitler the same thing. The 1000 Year Reich was over in a few very grim years.

            • S7teen70six

              Please do not equate my observations from living within such an environment as a testament to their essential good. Believe me, I was so glad to move back to the States that I am unable to describe it. My point is that Helen made an over-generalization that I know from my own very personal experience just isn’t true. They do care about their citizens and they try in their own way to make certain they have good lives. Not that I agree with their methodology.

              • Deapster

                Key word, they care about their “citizens” and their citizens in turn care about their country. That is what kept Switzerland successful.

                But today the Swiss men all wear a single gold earring to identify them as Swiss in face of the EU induced immigration that has now invaded their previous mono-culture.

              • KenoshaMarge

                The road to hell is said to be paved with good intentions – sounds like that fits for socialism.
                I didn’t think for a minute you were in favor of socialism – just having a discussion is all.

          • HELENK2

            socialism and communism sound good on paper but do not work in reality. They do not take into account human nature. why should I work to give to you, when you do not work and just expect?

            • Deapster

              Social safety net works, within limits, but socialism does not.

            • S7teen70six

              I lived in a socialist state as a civilian for nearly two years. It wasn’t at all as you describe. While I found many of their customs unusual I also found that they worked for them. And many of their customs made a lot of sense once I got over their strangeness.

              • Deapster

                I too lived in a socialist state for a few years – Switzerland but it was also a jealously guarded, xenophobic mono-culture even though it is known for its tri-lingual diversity.

                That diversity was geographically isolated into separate sections of the country with eruptions along the shared French Swiss-German Swiss fault lines near Biel-Bienne. The ItalianSwiss luckily for all concerned, were a nice mountain range away.

                Socialism did not make all three groups equal nor eliminate the prejudices between the three as long as no one else disrupted their “exceptional” apple cart they created in their mountainous community.

          • Deapster

            Many “socialist” countries are also constitutional monarchies (EU) with primarily a mono-culture, plus a long tradition of serf-master until very recently in their histories.

            They cannot be used as models for America — we are “exceptional” in that regard since we never had a king and were never a pure mono-culture.

            And of late we are no longer primarily WASP, which is now being quickly maligned as “white privilege”. We must guard against this latter degradation of American exceptionalism.

            • buzzlatte3

              As Greg Gutfeld asked: Why should we try to be like the countries we beat? I’d add why should
              we be like the countries o u r ancestors left?

  • KenoshaMarge

    Great post LJ!

    I agree that we, as Americans are “not very good at looking at ourselves objectively”. Not very good because we want to hide from inconvient and uncomfortable truths.

    Along with a corrupt and evil media we have a citizenry that is willing to accept lies and hypocrisy as long as the liars and hypocrites are our liars and hypocrites.

    Cliven Bundy may well be a bigot. I don’t know because I don’t know what it’s in his heart. He just may just be a befuddled old man who ran his mouth until he stuck his foot in it. Not the first or last to do that.

    That in no way changes what the government did and in no way does it excuse them. Bigots and racists have the same rights as everyone else in this country. We forget that at our peril.

  • ME

    Good post, Larry. “We are not very good at looking at ourselves objectively.” I’m not sure I agree with you, but than again I come from the far left. I’ve spent most of my life hearing about the evils of America. At this point in my life, I’m much more philosophical about it all. In the context of world history and the behavior of other countries, America is just not that evil. Also, I’ve come to the conclusion that we’ve got to unite, pull ourselves together, and embrace America, faults and all. I’m not too fond of America right or wrong, but the other side, everything is racism, oppression, and America is evil, doesn’t appeal to me either. I suppose I prefer those who blindly love their country over those who hate it, because that kind of hatred is going to destroy us.