Comments on: GUEST POST FROM DR. KVAVIK: Hurra for kvinnfolk i Scandinavia, or ‘Hurray for women in Scandinavia’: Gender Quotas and the 40% Rule http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7755/guest-post-from-dr-kvavik-hurra-for-kvinnfolk-i-scandinavia-or-%e2%80%98hurray-for-women-in-scandinavia%e2%80%99-gender-quotas-and-the-40-rule/ Sun, 27 May 2012 12:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Alex93 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7755/guest-post-from-dr-kvavik-hurra-for-kvinnfolk-i-scandinavia-or-%e2%80%98hurray-for-women-in-scandinavia%e2%80%99-gender-quotas-and-the-40-rule/#comment-1268824 Alex93 Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:33:35 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7755#comment-1268824 Now, to the extent that the tastes of individuals are modifiable by those individuals, it may well be that individuals are, to that extent, accountable for their tastes. , Now, to the extent that the tastes of individuals are modifiable by those individuals, it may well be that individuals are, to that extent, accountable for their tastes. ,

]]> By: Linda C. http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7755/guest-post-from-dr-kvavik-hurra-for-kvinnfolk-i-scandinavia-or-%e2%80%98hurray-for-women-in-scandinavia%e2%80%99-gender-quotas-and-the-40-rule/#comment-1079878 Linda C. Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:29:43 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7755#comment-1079878 No not necessarily any more than gender equality mean that men must give birth. BTW women do their share of fighting in dying in the world, just not in uniform. No not necessarily any more than gender equality mean that men must give birth.

BTW women do their share of fighting in dying in the world, just not in uniform.

]]> By: Undercover Black Man http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7755/guest-post-from-dr-kvavik-hurra-for-kvinnfolk-i-scandinavia-or-%e2%80%98hurray-for-women-in-scandinavia%e2%80%99-gender-quotas-and-the-40-rule/#comment-1079549 Undercover Black Man Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:47:58 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7755#comment-1079549 Way to waste bandwith, beebop. Keep up the good work! Way to waste bandwith, beebop. Keep up the good work!

]]> By: NomNomNom http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7755/guest-post-from-dr-kvavik-hurra-for-kvinnfolk-i-scandinavia-or-%e2%80%98hurray-for-women-in-scandinavia%e2%80%99-gender-quotas-and-the-40-rule/#comment-1079359 NomNomNom Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:10:31 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7755#comment-1079359 <em>How “equal” can they be, given that?</em> I dunno, but it's a lot easier to walk around without a dick in your hand. Just sayin. How “equal” can they be, given that?
I dunno, but it’s a lot easier to walk around without a dick in your hand.
Just sayin.

]]> By: NomNomNom http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7755/guest-post-from-dr-kvavik-hurra-for-kvinnfolk-i-scandinavia-or-%e2%80%98hurray-for-women-in-scandinavia%e2%80%99-gender-quotas-and-the-40-rule/#comment-1079344 NomNomNom Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:01:04 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7755#comment-1079344 Don't look now, but there seems to be plenty of freaking resentment towards women without quotas. Up to one out of 4 women sexually assaulted at some point; 73.5c on the dollar. Scandinavia seems to have worked out this problem; Spain is trying it out too. Bring on the 40%. There'll be an incentive to make sure women are qualified which will give girls and women better education (Sadker, Jones, McCormick, Marshall): it'll affect the precious bottom line. Don’t look now, but there seems to be plenty of freaking resentment towards women without quotas. Up to one out of 4 women sexually assaulted at some point; 73.5c on the dollar. Scandinavia seems to have worked out this problem; Spain is trying it out too.
Bring on the 40%. There’ll be an incentive to make sure women are qualified which will give girls and women better education (Sadker, Jones, McCormick, Marshall): it’ll affect the precious bottom line.

]]> By: beebop http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7755/guest-post-from-dr-kvavik-hurra-for-kvinnfolk-i-scandinavia-or-%e2%80%98hurray-for-women-in-scandinavia%e2%80%99-gender-quotas-and-the-40-rule/#comment-1079325 beebop Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:49:11 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7755#comment-1079325 women have better hand eye coordination and can reload faster. next time you take a woman on, remember that, buddy! And I mean that in the nicest possible way, fool. women have better hand eye coordination and can reload faster.

next time you take a woman on, remember that, buddy! And I mean that in the nicest possible way, fool.

]]> By: Undercover Black Man http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7755/guest-post-from-dr-kvavik-hurra-for-kvinnfolk-i-scandinavia-or-%e2%80%98hurray-for-women-in-scandinavia%e2%80%99-gender-quotas-and-the-40-rule/#comment-1079300 Undercover Black Man Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:34:49 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7755#comment-1079300 But doesn't the ideology of "gender equality" demand that women take on combat roles? How "equal" would they be if they didn't do an "equal" amount of the fighting and dying? But doesn’t the ideology of “gender equality” demand that women take on combat roles? How “equal” would they be if they didn’t do an “equal” amount of the fighting and dying?

]]> By: Linda C. http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7755/guest-post-from-dr-kvavik-hurra-for-kvinnfolk-i-scandinavia-or-%e2%80%98hurray-for-women-in-scandinavia%e2%80%99-gender-quotas-and-the-40-rule/#comment-1079232 Linda C. Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:49:49 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7755#comment-1079232 So we went to a general argument that men are physically superior ergo deserve to be the gold standard to the specific instance of the physical superiority is necessary for a combat soldier ergo the need for male superiority. Silly you. What does that have to do with anything? Personally I would rather have a smart combat soldier..Less likely to get themselves and their comrades killed. I personally not too much in favor of women in combat situations. We are more inclined to get raped by our own brethren soldiers than by the enemy. Personally, they would all be dead meat in my book regardless of the uniform. So we went to a general argument that men are physically superior ergo deserve to be the gold standard to the specific instance of the physical superiority is necessary for a combat soldier ergo the need for male superiority. Silly you. What does that have to do with anything?

Personally I would rather have a smart combat soldier..Less likely to get themselves and their comrades killed.

I personally not too much in favor of women in combat situations. We are more inclined to get raped by our own brethren soldiers than by the enemy. Personally, they would all be dead meat in my book regardless of the uniform.

]]> By: Kal http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7755/guest-post-from-dr-kvavik-hurra-for-kvinnfolk-i-scandinavia-or-%e2%80%98hurray-for-women-in-scandinavia%e2%80%99-gender-quotas-and-the-40-rule/#comment-1079180 Kal Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:16:54 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7755#comment-1079180 Right. If men accommodated women's differences to the same extent that women accommodate men's, the world would look a lot different. Lots fewer guys getting their egos and other weak things propped up. PUMA!!! Right. If men accommodated women’s differences to the same extent that women accommodate men’s, the world would look a lot different. Lots fewer guys getting their egos and other weak things propped up.

PUMA!!!

]]> By: Undercover Black Man http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7755/guest-post-from-dr-kvavik-hurra-for-kvinnfolk-i-scandinavia-or-%e2%80%98hurray-for-women-in-scandinavia%e2%80%99-gender-quotas-and-the-40-rule/#comment-1078976 Undercover Black Man Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:04:51 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7755#comment-1078976 <em>The inherent problem with the argument is that “men are the gold standard”. Silly you.</em> No... silly <em>you</em>. Can we agree that physical strength is an essential element of being a competent soldier? You've got to haul gear, you've got to endure physically trying circumstances. So we need soldiers who meet a certain baseline of strength. If you think that baseline should be 13 push-ups... so that women are allowed to pass basic training, that means <em>men</em> who can only perform 13 push-ups are also allowed to pass. The result? A much weaker Army. Ergo, "equality" should not be the ultimate value in human endeavors. Unless you specify that <em>equals</em> be treated equally. I was told years ago that the U.S. Army abandoned the Colt .45 pistol as the standard sidearm -- replaced with the 9mm Beretta -- because most women cannot handle the .45. So in the spirit of "gender equality," the military went with a lighter handgun. The problem? The 9mm, with its smaller ammunition, is a less effective weapon. It has less stopping power. See the problem, Linda C.? The entire institution suffers to placate some senseless egalitarian ideal. It's time people stood up against this phenomenon. The inherent problem with the argument is that “men are the gold standard”. Silly you.

No… silly you. Can we agree that physical strength is an essential element of being a competent soldier? You’ve got to haul gear, you’ve got to endure physically trying circumstances.

So we need soldiers who meet a certain baseline of strength. If you think that baseline should be 13 push-ups… so that women are allowed to pass basic training, that means men who can only perform 13 push-ups are also allowed to pass.

The result? A much weaker Army.

Ergo, “equality” should not be the ultimate value in human endeavors. Unless you specify that equals be treated equally.

I was told years ago that the U.S. Army abandoned the Colt .45 pistol as the standard sidearm — replaced with the 9mm Beretta — because most women cannot handle the .45. So in the spirit of “gender equality,” the military went with a lighter handgun.

The problem? The 9mm, with its smaller ammunition, is a less effective weapon. It has less stopping power.

See the problem, Linda C.? The entire institution suffers to placate some senseless egalitarian ideal. It’s time people stood up against this phenomenon.

]]> By: Linda C. http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7755/guest-post-from-dr-kvavik-hurra-for-kvinnfolk-i-scandinavia-or-%e2%80%98hurray-for-women-in-scandinavia%e2%80%99-gender-quotas-and-the-40-rule/#comment-1078896 Linda C. Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:15:13 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7755#comment-1078896 Strawberry The body fat isn't useless..It is needed for hormone production. Therefore, women do need some. The strength equals masculine argument drives me batty also. Work is a four letter word no matter who is doing it. Where one doesn't see a great accommodation for the true biological differences is in medicine. This ranges anywhere form treatment of heart disease to joint replacements. Strawberry
The body fat isn’t useless..It is needed for hormone production. Therefore, women do need some.

The strength equals masculine argument drives me batty also. Work is a four letter word no matter who is doing it.

Where one doesn’t see a great accommodation for the true biological differences is in medicine. This ranges anywhere form treatment of heart disease to joint replacements.

]]> By: KintheNorthwest http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7755/guest-post-from-dr-kvavik-hurra-for-kvinnfolk-i-scandinavia-or-%e2%80%98hurray-for-women-in-scandinavia%e2%80%99-gender-quotas-and-the-40-rule/#comment-1078884 KintheNorthwest Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:06:23 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7755#comment-1078884 Harp is right about the quotas. Look at the resentment many already have toward minorities that took jobs that they were not fully qualified for. The quota system has had many white males turned down from jobs, while the quota system was fulfilled with minorities way less qualified. Dont get me wrong what was happening before was wrong but shouldnt the one most qualified be the one getting the job, into the college and etc. Hey look what just happened to our nation. Im sorry to say but the only thing on Obama's resume of any worth was his skin color. Look around guys what major mile stones did Obama have that were better than all the other candidates. Harp is right about the quotas. Look at the resentment many already have toward minorities that took jobs that they were not fully qualified for. The quota system has had many white males turned down from jobs, while the quota system was fulfilled with minorities way less qualified.

Dont get me wrong what was happening before was wrong but shouldnt the one most qualified be the one getting the job, into the college and etc.

Hey look what just happened to our nation. Im sorry to say but the only thing on Obama’s resume of any worth was his skin color. Look around guys what major mile stones did Obama have that were better than all the other candidates.

]]> By: Strawberrybitch http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7755/guest-post-from-dr-kvavik-hurra-for-kvinnfolk-i-scandinavia-or-%e2%80%98hurray-for-women-in-scandinavia%e2%80%99-gender-quotas-and-the-40-rule/#comment-1078868 Strawberrybitch Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:57:13 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7755#comment-1078868 Linda. Just to let you know, if you were to take a man and a woman with the same amount of muscle mass, not body weight, but if both had equal amount of actual muscle, women are just as strong in the upper body and sometimes stronger in the lower body. We just carry higher amounts of useless bodyfat. And if you incorporate a strength training regimen, all bets are off. Because of years of bodybuilding and powerlifting, I'm actually much stronger than the average man of 5'7". Granted I'd get my ass kicked by some guy at six foot 260 pounds but then so would the 5'7" guy. It drives me batty when I hear women say they think being strong is masculine. Linda. Just to let you know, if you were to take a man and a woman with the same amount of muscle mass, not body weight, but if both had equal amount of actual muscle, women are just as strong in the upper body and sometimes stronger in the lower body. We just carry higher amounts of useless bodyfat. And if you incorporate a strength training regimen, all bets are off. Because of years of bodybuilding and powerlifting, I’m actually much stronger than the average man of 5’7″. Granted I’d get my ass kicked by some guy at six foot 260 pounds but then so would the 5’7″ guy. It drives me batty when I hear women say they think being strong is masculine.

]]> By: Seattle Moss http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7755/guest-post-from-dr-kvavik-hurra-for-kvinnfolk-i-scandinavia-or-%e2%80%98hurray-for-women-in-scandinavia%e2%80%99-gender-quotas-and-the-40-rule/#comment-1078854 Seattle Moss Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:45:54 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7755#comment-1078854 You are correct. If I really wanted to pursue planning and it had been my only option for success I would have found another way. What is the actual reality for me is that I actually am a champion for Women's rights and as most of you know was fiercely loyal of both women candidates this year.i have also made the case that republicans need to become the party for Women's equality and fairness and work to end the misogyny and sexism that we all saw this year. As a final caveat i was the first to break the barrier for women running an industrial [plastics plant in my region. men are amazed how many women I have working for me at all levels. You are correct. If I really wanted to pursue planning and it had been my only option for success I would have found another way.
What is the actual reality for me is that I actually am a champion for Women’s rights and as most of you know was fiercely loyal of both women candidates this year.i have also made the case that republicans need to become the party for Women’s equality and fairness and work to end the misogyny and sexism that we all saw this year.
As a final caveat i was the first to break the barrier for women running an industrial [plastics plant in my region. men are amazed how many women I have working for me at all levels.

]]> By: Linda C. http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/7755/guest-post-from-dr-kvavik-hurra-for-kvinnfolk-i-scandinavia-or-%e2%80%98hurray-for-women-in-scandinavia%e2%80%99-gender-quotas-and-the-40-rule/#comment-1078843 Linda C. Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:37:09 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=7755#comment-1078843 How about insisting that men perform equally with women before they are treated equally. The inherent problem with the argument is that "men are the gold standard". Silly you. My gold standard is women and the ability to give birth. So when men reach that ability we can talk about equality. Therefore I insist that men give birth before they are treated equally with women. A gorilla is stronger than a man..so therefore a gorilla should be the standard we aspire too and gorillas are therefore the top of the social order? The actual "biological" differences between men and women are not that great even though culturally we tend to exaggerate those differences in order to keep the patriarchy going. Do all men in running the NY marathon" beat every single woman running in the same marathon. If every man beat every single woman running in the same race, then you may argue the "biological difference" only if we were only running marathons and somehow the ability to run a marathon was crucial to the well being of a culture and society. I has been proven that in societies were the effects of gender discrimination are small, girls scholastically are either equal or out perform boys. Therefore, what performance are we going to use as a standard. The ability to do push-ups or the intellectual ability to solve societies complex problems and challenges? I have personally physically outworked many men and then come in to make dinner and do the dishes. It may take me a bit longer, but at least you also get a meal. How about insisting that men perform equally with women before they are treated equally. The inherent problem with the argument is that “men are the gold standard”. Silly you.
My gold standard is women and the ability to give birth. So when men reach that ability we can talk about equality. Therefore I insist that men give birth before they are treated equally with women.

A gorilla is stronger than a man..so therefore a gorilla should be the standard we aspire too and gorillas are therefore the top of the social order?

The actual “biological” differences between men and women are not that great even though culturally we tend to exaggerate those differences in order to keep the patriarchy going.

Do all men in running the NY marathon” beat every single woman running in the same marathon. If every man beat every single woman running in the same race, then you may argue the “biological difference” only if we were only running marathons and somehow the ability to run a marathon was crucial to the well being of a culture and society.

I has been proven that in societies were the effects of gender discrimination are small, girls scholastically are either equal or out perform boys. Therefore, what performance are we going to use as a standard. The ability to do push-ups or the intellectual ability to solve societies complex problems and challenges?

I have personally physically outworked many men and then come in to make dinner and do the dishes. It may take me a bit longer, but at least you also get a meal.

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