The C Word (caroline)

I can tell you what I will do. Vote for the most experienced person running for the office, and it will not be Caroline Kennedy. She needs to run for election in 2 years even if she is appointed to the Senate. Who says she will be able to win on her own merits? What does she have to offer anyone in NY or the country except for her last name? I’m not voting for a woman just because she is a woman. I voted for Hillary because she had the poliices, the vision, and the knowhow to be a damned good President. And who says Hillary won’t run again in 2016, and maybe run against Caroline Kennedy? As much as I hate to say it, for a lot of us who supported Hillary, Caroline’s support for the Precious will come back to bite her for a whole lot of us. I am one who judges people by the company they keep. And I don’t like what Kennedy did. I will definitely remember for eternity her support for the annointed one.

Larry
i think u seem to forget that if President elect Obama does make a mistake in handeling a terroist attack, which all intelligence says is likely to occur, or if he does not fix the economy in time
then I i strongly beleive that Hillary Clinton will resign from Secretary Of State and run against Obama
much like Bobby Kennedy did against Lyndon Johnson in the 60′s

if not in 2016, Hillary Clinton will only be 69 years old
she will be younger than Reagan, and Mccain
and if she does not run for president

THEN IM SURE WE ALL WILL SUPPORT CHELSEA CLINTON 2024!!!!

Palin is the American Dream personified. She got where she is by her own talents and initiative. Caroline was born a Kennedy…and that is her only qualification.
So, for me, Palin is the obvious choice if the contest is between the two of them.

POLITICO’s lead story is about Squatter Obama’s non-Birth Certificate. About time it is reported.

As long as you insist on ID politics you will get what you deserve.

Shitty government devoted to catering to the rich.

Get of the Kos/Bowers/Marshall stupidity wagon.

With this development I think Hillary Clinton should withdraw her name from consideration for S.O.S. This is a clear plan to deep six Mrs. Clinton from the national stage. Obama will find some excuse to can her within the first year and replace her with some anti Israel Carterite! Can anybody say”Zibigniew?” for S.O.S ? This is a clear and present danger to Mrs. Clintons political future! Caroline Kennedy is a sweetheart but has no fire in her belly for the rough and tumble world of politics in todays world. She is a totoal lightweight! gov.Palin may well be our next president and if Mrs Palin works hard, studies the issues and as a bonus if she studies Spanish! so she is fairly fluent by 2011 she can win the latin vote and the election! $@”&2″@!!! HILLARY, WITHDRAW YOUR NAME NOW,!!!!!!!!!!

We owe the Kennedy clan a great deal because their family has suffered so much for this country.

This statement is not in New Hampster’s excellent article. I just made it up. Do you think it is true? If you think it is true, where does it stop? At second cousins?

You are getting closer to the 2034 mark. The think tank estimates that is when we will get a viable woman candidate.

Caroline maybe a Kennedy but she is NO Senator Hillary Clinton and is not held in the same regard.

we do not owe the Kennedys anything …..
If we going to start paying political people/families back, then why stop with the Kennedys….How about the desendents of the Roosevelts, the Lincolns, the Washingtons and the list goes on…
I could see some of the other Kennedys..but not Caroline….She has no accomplishments except for her name.

This girl has no qualifications to be a senator but we have no say because they all do what they want. We had a chance to have the first woman president and she helped ruin it for woman so I will do the same for her.And please do not insult my inteligence by saying he is another JFK because he is far from it.

What will we do?

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We will pick a qualified woman with experience just as we did this time. Hope New Yorkers are more discriminating than the rest in their election of senators when she has to campaign and run for the office legitimately.

We owe the Kennedy’s NOTHING. I for one would never support Caroline Kennedy for anything, She hasn’t done anything but carry the Kennedy name. Many of the Kennedy’s have a less than stellar past and have gotten away w a lot of dirty shit. Palin will get my vote, no question.

Why can’t the Kennedys just leave gracefully? If they wish to remain relevant in politics than kindly bring forth a worthy and QUALIFIED candidate …perhaps RFK jr ….but no not Caroline.

Another poster already mentioned that we don’t owe the Kennedys ANYTHING simply because of 2 assassinations and they’re right.

We don’t owe their descendants anymore than we do those of Lincoln, McKinley, etc.

I for one will be voting for the most qualified candidate and that will most certainly not be JFK and Jackie O’s little girl, RFK and Uncle Ted’s niece, Onassis’ stepdaughter. I will vote for someone who has proven themselves on their OWN merits and not on their name or the famous people they are related to.

What next? Paris Hilton for POTUS? Why not? The same loser generation who actually believes she’s “talented” also believe Obama is “qualified”.

Hillary knows her political aspirations are done for.

We owe the Kennedys? Are you kidding? The ones in public office are public servants to the people – they owe us, not the other way around. This timidity of the American public is mind-boggling; at one time in history, we used to understand that elected officials are there to serve and represent us; they are not deities to whom we owe any gratitude.

It feels like the political environment has moved into the realm of American Idol. I’m sick of it quite frankly. I keep hearing about all the “brilliant” choices Obama has made. Can someone tell me how many of these people does he actually know? It seems like such a hodge-podge of varying ideologies. Who in the room is going to make the policy decisions? I am very uneasy about this administration.

Oh my..How many of us know what is going to happen tomorrow. I am not going to get worked up over it. Caroline Kennedy hasn’t been officially offered anything yet. She will also have to get re-elected if offered the senate seat. There are still too many hoops to jump through yet.

I don’t think Hilary Clinton will run again for the presidency unless something happens within four years.

I wish there was a woman I actually respected and admired who will become the first woman president. I like Palin as a person and I think she got a raw deal from the media but I do not share her political beliefs. If Palin and Caroline Kennedy run in 8 years, I might have to sit the election out. I want Hillary to run again not only because she is a woman but because we’re both Democrats and she has earned her place in the White House. I will not under any circumstances vote for Caroline Kennedy. Especially not after the sh*t she pulled this year. We shouldn’t support women who won’t even support more qualified women like Hillary.
I pray that Caroline is not the next senator of New York.

I also degree with New Hampster that Obama’s “chosen successor will almost be a shoe in”. The only good thing about Hillary not winning the presidency is that this is probably the worst time to be president. Things are only going to get worse. I expect higher unemployment rates in 2009 and the economy only getting worse. This isn’t Obama’s fault but he will take the blame and it will be the perfect opportunity for the Republicans to rebuild their party with Palin, Jindal (the next Obama of the Republican Party), and other young politicians who can reenergize the Republican base and bring back the independents and Reagan Democrats who voted for Obama because of Bush and the economic collapse.

I also *disagree*

This is a clear plan to deep six Mrs. Clinton from the national stage. Obama will find some excuse to can her within the first year and replace her with some anti Israel Carterite! Can anybody say”Zibigniew?” for S.O.S ? This is a clear and present danger to Mrs. Clintons political future!

I agree with this assessment. I’ve said before that Hillary should watch her back. I’ve also felt that John Kerry may not be completely out of the picture. Appointing Hillary to SoS so Caroline Kennedy can take Hillary’s place in the Senate is really Machiavellian.
And if and when that happens, does anyone here doubt how the MSM will cover that story?

My assumption is that the deal was made before the first primary. Teddy offered the support of his family in return for the Senate seat for C and a future promise of support when she runs for POTUS as Obama’s designated successor. Of course part of that means Hillary has to be taken out of the Senate.

You may be right. That was my former position. Basically that the repubs really did not want to win this time. Whoever is Prez is fecked.

I totally agree. I will support Palin.

However, don’t underestimate the NY machine; its been at it longer than any of the other urban machines, and will be primed with all the left-over money from BO too.

So if the Senate seat can be bought when CK might (god help us) come up for re-election, it will be bought. Those types of investments seem to pay a pretty good return.

PUMA!!!

Please dear God let Oblah oblah be exposed and forced out of office in less than 4 years.

I disagree that Obama simply has to not do stupid things to have a successful presidency. The problems this country is facing are enormous; being “smart” and picking good people is not enough. They have to do a great job, and Obama needs to be lucky as well.

I totally agree. If CK had put in the years and knew anything about the issues, that would be something to look at. But she made it a point of principle that she has been entitled to live her life 100% in totally private mommyville, living out the claim that she deserves to be an ordinary person. Well, then, she should have to do what an ordinary person would have to do to become a US senator — earn the job!!

CK is just about as removed from experience of ordinary US life as it gets, female or not!

PUMA!!!

JFK:
‘Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.’

TK/BO/CK:
‘Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you.’

I’m sick of a politics of obligation — to the race card, the ‘I’m a female’ card, and the Kennedy card.

PUMA!!!

I think it goes beyond luck this time. Because of the economy it’s very hard to find anyone who wants him to fail. Therefore I think it is hard to fail when everyone wants you to succeed.

Or maybe its:

‘Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do your country for.’

ditto

I like Sarah. Even though I don’t agree with MOST of her policies. I still like her and trust her heart & life and experiences far over Caroline’s pampered foo foo life!

Besides the Kennedy’s have a lot of tragedy and early deaths following the family I can’t believe she’d want anything to do with politics. They are jinx’d. NOT Camelot (lmao hardly).

PUMA!!!

Wow NH–if your assumption is correct, the implications would be beyond stunning.

Ick! Thanks for wrecking my evening!

What will I do?

If Obama is not out in 4 I will hope for a Palin v Kennedy showdown in 2016, and I will vote against Kennedy.

I also disagree that Obama’s chosen successor is a shoe in, but time will tell. People line up to vote for Al Franken, so stranger things have happened.

It will be very interesting to hear how Kennedy is the right woman when Clinton was the wrong woman.

I guess we just had to get a black male first, then it is our turn. Just like enfranchisement.

When I first heard Hillary’s named mentioned for SOS, I knew then that something was up to get her out of the Senate. AFTER she is confirmed by the Senate, AFTER Caroline Kennedy takes Hillary’s NY Senate seat….THEN BO will, LOW and BEHOLD!!!! find something on Hillary or Bill and make the very sad (sarcasm here) decision to fire Hillary and appoint JOHN KERRY to take her place. Kerry has been totally SILENT since the election. WHY? I know why. It’s a plot to finish off the Clinton legacy FOREVER and he’s in on it.

Mark my words. Hillary WILL BE asked to resign her post for one reason or another, but ONLY after it’s too late to keep her Senate seat. Hillary needs to call the bastard’s bluff and say NO to the SOS position…..that would completely blow the hell outta the Democratic Party’s plan to rid themselves of those Arkansas hicks…once and for all. The DC elites have ALWAYS hated the Clintons. They’re outsiders.

I know this is what they’re doing. I know it. I feel it in my bones…..something’s not right.

We must fight to prevent monarchy entitlement in America.

Right now in NY, we have a highly qualified woman
who DESERVES that senate spot.
NOW is pushing for her appointment of Carolyn Maloney. A workhorse like Clinton.

Kennedy never left the ivory tower. This woman never stuck her neck out. Resided in the comfort of privilege. Never held a real job (oh yeah, there are the fancy titles bestowed to dowagers for charities and such).

We might as well have an alien in the senate seat.

Her appointment will unleash deep resentment against the Kennedy family aka mafia. It will open election wounds that were in the process of healing.

If Kennedy is given this seat I will NEVER GIVE ANOTHER DIME to the democratic party.

So this is why Hillary looked so glum when she appeared with BHO and he announced that she had accepted his offer of SOS. She looked as if there had been a death of a close relative. She was shunted aside by the DNC and NY Democratic power brokers. She was pressured by the money people in the Democratic Party to step aside so that magical Caroline Kennedy could step up to the plate in preparation for a run to be the first female POTUS in 2016?? I was very surprised when she accepted the SOS position. Why be a part of BHO’s cabinet when one could be a Senator and be the chair of some important committees? Now I know why……..It’s very sickening to think about the deals that are being cut. Politics at all levels is not for the faint hearted. One has to have X-intestinal fortitude. So much capitulation required.

I like that phrase “politics of obligation”

The Repugs have their excuse for bypassing democracy, and so do the democrats.

Neither party likes America.

I was actually happy with Obama, until Princess Caroline floated in.

I was pleased with many appointments, and that RFK could be our environmental czar.

When Ms. Rich Bitch called on our governor, all the ugliness of the election came back.

then we’d have shrunken horse-face gargoyle Kerry to look at for the next 8 miserable years.

Yeah, I, too, think Kerry is waiting in the wings until he can be named SOS once HRC is forced to resign from that post.

The fix was in since 2004, I believe.

I’m not sure I buy that. If Hillary knew about the CK gambit then, then she had a chance to decide to go for SOS or to stay in the senate and just wait until Ted could no longer shut her out of the health care work. Remember, he was apparently offering some tiny edge of a portfolio on that just as the SOS thing surfaced. You can’t tell me Hillary isn’t all the way down the chess board and back through 87 possible moves/countermoves on this and everything else.

Hillary has the full picture, she has a huge amount of experience with this crowd, she has access to some of the smartest political advisors alive, and she is calling the shots for herself. So I have to figure she knows what she is doing specifically re this and in the bigger picture.

PUMA!!!

If its this cut-and-dried, I sincerely doubt that Hillary would allow herself to be boondoggled like that. She is still in the senate and still has some 4 or 5 weeks to watch these bits play out.

no, we don’t owe the kennedys anything. we don’t owe any president anything more than we give the rest. they aren’t special. they take off their clothes the same way we do. we fought a war to do away with royalty. you aren’t it caroline.

Must be a full moon tonight.

so let me get this straight. when caroline tries to run for senator after a lackluster performance, she’ll get whose votes? all the aa’s thrown under the bus? all the wealthy voters who voted for hillary? no. the latinos? probably not! uncle ted won’t be around. there are no strong kennedys at the present time. who? robert kennedy jr? he might have the ability but not caroline.

What will we do?

We will calm down.

Yes, CK will probably step into the Senate seat — a present for helping him select Biden as VP (cough, cough). That misstep aside, she is not terribly unqualified. She is a lawyer. She has written at least one book about constitutional law.

These are, admittedly, not striking recommendations. But all she is being allowed to do is babysit in the Senate for two years, to fill in till the next election.

Let’s see what she does in the Senate. I hear her speeches are undistinguished. Let’s see if she has an aptitude for the shoes she’s stepping into. She may, and she may not. A lot can happen in two years. Even more in the next 4 and 8.

If she runs in 2016 (which always presupposes that BHO gets reelected) it will presumably be because she has developed some chops.

I, for one, would rather see HRC, for all the reasons listed earlier, make another run. But the road to the presidency is paved with broken hearts and dreams. Always has been. (I’d kind of like to see HRC become the Gore-equivalent for women and children around the world, and get the Nobel for THAT.)

As for her being set up for a backstabbing — it’s entirely possible. But I find it hard to believe that she and Bill haven’t considered that possibility. On the whole, I think they are smarter about this sort of thing than the rest of us put together.

If they need to, I’m sure they can plant some disqualifying info in the Senate so that HRC is not confirmed and she won’t have the onus of refusing a position she has already accepted.

Well, that would truly be a tragedy. Caroline has done exactly what to warrant this?

Let’s hope you are wrong NH

Caroline Kennedy has exactly as much experience in elected office as Hillary Clinton did before she ran for Senate the first time. Both had zero years as elected officials. Both had lots of time with close family members in public office. They had the very same experience.

So if you thought HRC was qualified when she first ran for Senate, Caroline is also qualified.

The folks at Third Estate Sunday Review are keeping an eye on Caroline Kennedy. See http://thirdestatesundayreview.blogspot.com/2008/12/whore-is-fitting-word.html and http://likemariasaidpaz.blogspot.com/2008/01/caroline.html. They call her Princess Brat. She sounds nasty.

As we objected to the word “whore” used to describe Clinton, Palin, and their supporters, so we should object to it being used to describe CK. From pretty much everything I have heard, she is intelligent, earnest, and dignified. Her constitional book was well received.

I disagree that she has as much experience as HRC did. HRC was a close advisor to her husband, championed health care reform, and prior to that had extensive experience as an lawyer. All her pro bono work for women and children speaks to her social concerns, which go back to her Harvard years.

That said, it’s not ALL that much difference. CK is getting a leg-up with a 2-year fill-in appointment. But that’s all it is: a very advantageous leg-up. What she does with it remains to be seen.

These same arguments were used against Hillary Clinton when she first ran for Senate. They said she had no experience. Well, she did a good job and I bet Caroline would, too.

Caroline Kennedy is an attorney with a law degree from Columbia University who is admitted to the bar in NY and Washington, D.C. Those are very difficult bar exams to pass. She’s authored books on civil rights and has been around politics all her life.

I can’t see why you would have thought HRC was qualified for Senate after she had recently moved to NY and had no experience elected to office for herself and think Caroline isn’t qualified.

Caroline has done pro bono work as well and has had more involvement in politics than most people realize. She is very, very smart and would be quite electable in NY state. As a lifelong NYer, I am sure she can hold that Senate seat. She certainly has huge name recognition and would easily raise enough money to be a competitive candidate.

The difference being that Hillary actually RAN for office, she wasn’t appointed. If Carolyn wants to run, she should – when the seats up for election

Well, if there had been a seat open in the middle of a term, would you have objected if Hillary Clinton was appointed? If not, then why object in this case?

Obama isn’t going to take the blame for a recession that started a year before he was even elected. People know it started under Bush.

Caroline Kennedy is not a “girl.” She’s a woman and an attorney who passed two of the most difficult bar exams in the country.

I will NEVER vote for Caroline Kennedy!

I’m telling you what I’m going to do. I’m emailing my governor and telling him, “don’t even think about it!”

I owe the Kennedys NOTHING!

Caroline has even less experience than 0bama. And that pretty much sums up my contempt for the both of them.

After what Caroline did to Hillary, no way will she ever get a blasted vote from this New Yorker.

If an election were held tomorrow between Sarah Palin and Caroline Kennedy, I’d vote for Sarah even though I disagree with her on many issues. At least Sarah made it on her own without the benefit of a family name that has bullshited its way through the history books.

I could be alright with RFK,Jr at least he supported Hillary, but Caroline doesn’t exist to me.

New York needs a better replacement for Hillary. Caroline go away!

I really have to question Carolyn Kennedy’s judgement (and many others this election cycle, I might add), since she publicly stated that she backed Barack Obama because her kids wanted her to and they backed him. Perhaps she should take my mother’s old, trusted advice: If your kids (friends) were jumping off a cliff, would you?

No doubt. But she has two years to prove herself before she will need to fundraise for her own campaign.

Then she should definitely consider running in 2 years – the Governor should appoint an elected official, who has already passed the test of NY voters.

My comment above was in response to “democrat.” (Also, she has hitched her wagon to the Obama star — a lot will depend on where that is in 2 or 4 years.)

What will we do?

We will calm down.

I feel like I’ve just been sat down for quiet time and received a lecture from Mary Poppins. Thanks Anna, I needed that (and for once, I’m not being snarky).

Democrat -so everyone who has passed NY & DC bar are qualified to step in as senators.

That would be in the hundreds .

More of the same old blame shifting just like Bush did with Clinton. If That One fails, it is his fault, not Bush’s any more than Bush’s dumbass policies were Clinton’s fault. To this ex-Democrat, you sound just like a neocon.

Electing a woman is important, but not one who betrayed another for her own aggrandizement. C. Kennedy will never get my vote. Even if Jeb Bush runs against her.

Oh, you MUST be kidding.

I seem to recall Hillary had been working as a LAWYER up until she BECAME FIRST LADY of the United States of the United States.

Nice try.

Did you also try to use the false comparison that O was like JFK? Except there were no similarities. JFK served 2 terms in the House and was elected to his 2nd Term in the Senate. Wary Barry served 2 years before running for president. Oh, and then there is that other tint fact that JFK also served in the military.

Passing two tests does not necessarily mean that she is qualified for the Senate seat.

This easily parallels with Obama’s win for the presidency. Just because he received first-rate education from Harvard and Columbia does not equate years worth of experience and work.

Oh, you MUST be kidding.

I seem to recall Hillary had been working as a LAWYER up until she BECAME FIRST LADY of the United States for 8 years.

Nice try.

Did you also try to use the false comparison that O was like JFK? Except there were no similarities. JFK served 2 terms in the House and was elected to his 2nd Term in the Senate. Wary Barry served 2 years before running for president. Oh, and then there is that other tint fact that JFK also served in the military.

Sorry, Anna, I know you are trying to put a good face on it, but have you read ‘her’ (co-authored) books? They read like a Law I’s set of cram notes, headlining what big cases did, with absolutely no legal, academic, critical, or even cultural commentary to give any point to the whole vacuous exercise.

CK may have felt some affinity for civil rights at the outset, as she was giving up museum curatoring for law, but it looks like just squibbing the civrts cases in Ellen & her first book scared her into focusing on privacy for real.

If squibbing a bunch of cases with a hardworking co-author qualifies someone to jump from token board spots to senator, I am disgusted.

Surely we should want more than that in a democracy, even one as degraded as the Daley/BO gang have made it.

PUMA!!

Are you from NY?! Well, I am, and I find it highly offensive that extremely qualified candidates who were ELECTED by the people of this state, including several women candidates, are going to be by-passed for yet ANOTHER example of party leader SELECTION. This is frickin’ ridiculous. If this election showed us anything, it is that our votes are irrelevant. The DNC decided who would be president, after the Supreme Court decided on Bush 8 years ago. How about we let THE PEOPLE actually decide?

This country has lost all perspective. Are all our candidates going to be celebrity selectees from now on? This is a farce.

And FYI: Hillary had 3 decades of public service experience in the fields of health care, education, human and civil rights, economic development AND 8 years in the White House, traveling to over 80 countries. Caroline is just being ushered in because she endorsed Obama? Ridiculous.

CK’s books were well received? She’s a Kennedy, and of course all the msm were falling all over themselves to get her on their shows etc. But what did she have to say about two of the most important issues in that century, civil rights and privacy? Nothing!! She just sat there vacuously saying how interested she was in civil rights and how important they are and how she loved doing the research, etc. Nothing of substance!! Just like BO — lots of claims to caring but no action!!

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So have thousands of other people. I don’t see them being considered for the Senate replacement seat.

Since when did actual executive and legislative experience become irrelevant?

Ok, my last rant on this (I hope) — how come TedK thinks he can get both CK appointed to NY and his wife appointed to MA? That is so beyond disgusting that I can’t even fathom it. Is all this idolatry just a delayed reaction at being deprived of a monarchy?

I just don’t get it!!! Repubs yes, but Dems? Its substantively inconsistent with being ‘Democrats.’

PUMA!!!

I also feel our President Select is off to a good start and unless he really is dumb, he has the chance for a legendary Presidency of accomplishment and growth. His chosen successor will almost be a shoe in.

Are you kidding? President SELECT is right, and now you are open to the Kennedy SELECT candidate? And your theory that she is being set up to be the first woman president makes me sick. I was passionate about Hillary’s candidacy because she has EARNED it–she is extremely prepared, and is a courageous, strong leader. Her depth and breadth of knowledge is astonishing. This is not about just pushing a woman through, like Obama was carried across because of his historic candidacy. This country is in serious trouble because we keep choosing unqualified leaders. How about focusing on actual accomplishments and people who have paid their dues?

You have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about. Read something for Christ’s sake. Hillary Clinton started working for children’s and women’s right directly out of law school and has not stopped working on a wide range of issues including health care, human and civil rights, education, veteran’s rights, economic development, among other things for 3 frickin’ decades! I am astounded by not just the ignorance of posters, but their arrogance. Then again, that explains a lot about why they supported Obama, the King of Inexperience and Arrogance.

It’s like we’re living in a fantasy movie. To even consider the possibility of Caroline Kennedy actually running against Jeb Bush seems as fantastic and impossible as, well, as R2D2 running a race against 3CPO.

Okay, seriously: I was VERY disappointed that O would stoop to using Caroline as a weapon against Hillary; I was even more disappointed that she would consent to being used. I am so naive.

Thank you. Go figure–choosing someone the people actually VOTED for.

Hey, I’d like 2 years to prove myself. I’d be a great senator. Just ask my mother.

She has never practiced law, and her books were written “with” a co-author. She’s a socialite. She has no business in the US Senate, lots of New Yorkers feel that way, and there will be no free pass at the polls in 2010. The only positive is that her appointment will help take down David Paterson, in-deepest-over-his-head governor in the fifty states. If we end up with both a worthless governor AND senator, neither elected by the voters, it is going to be the biggest boost the NY GOP has received since Mario Cuomo overstayed his welcome.

Yes, I am from NY. I was born in Queens, I’ve lived in the Hudson Valley, went to college in central NY, and live in Brooklyn now. And I think Caroline is a respected person who has done a lot for civil rights over the years. In addition, she can easily hold the seat for Democrats in the coming years.

I would be proud to call my senator, just as I would be proud of other appointees and I was proud of carpetbaggers Hillary Clinton and Bobby Kennedy.

Thank you, Kal. As a writer I am disgusted with statements that CK “wrote” two books. If she did any work at all on them, they would have paid off the “co-author” to allow Caroline to take all credit. Ten to one the only thing she “wrote” was her signature on the contract, and on the back of the advance check.

I hear you. But the vast majority of Americans understand that the recession started under Bush. Obama isn’t even president yet and the economy is in free fall. Bush gets the blame for what started in his presidency, not Obama. FDR wasn’t blamed for the Depression, Hoover was.

Amen to that sentiment. Caroline’s only qualification begins and ends with her surname. Frankly I’m sick to death of the name Kennedy.

Suddenly, after hearing that we didn’t want a “Clinton dynasty” we’re back to the KENNEDY dynasty??????

Screw all this….

The president with the most prior experience was Buchanan and most historians think he was the absolute worst in American history. Obama is off to a great start and he has very, very high approval ratings for this point. His pick of Shinseki for Secretary of the VA was a masterstroke. Obama is doing very well and he’ll probably have a first 100 days to rival FDR’s.

FDR succeeded but had he failed, he should have goten whatever blame was to be meted out. My comment specifically stated that “if That One fails, it is his fault”. Bush was a failure and he had only himself to blame, irrespective of neocon spin to the contrary. I will use the same criterion in evaluating the record of the next president.

Each president succeeds or fails of his own accord and on his own terms. It is time for the blame-shifting to stop.

Indeed. Pundits were expelling lots of gas about how the public was tired of Clintons and Bushes and that they had doinated the pollitical scene for too long. Apparently the Kennedys are just peachy, however.

Bah.

Ummmm…I thought Bush was suppoesd to be “the absolute worst in American [if not human] history.”

And shouldn’t we talk about “approval ratings” after he takes office?

And… and… and … I thought he was just like JFK. Now he’s just like FDR, too. And wasn’t he also supposed to be Jesus Christ, or Moses, or somebody?

Oh yeah. Martin Luther King, Jr. And Desmond Tutu, too.

Sorry, democrat. I’m putting my euphoria on hold till he’s actually had a year or two in office.

is off to a great start and he has very, very high approval ratings for this point.

Bush had high approval ratings, too, even when he was flat-out wrong. My opinion is not swayed by the direction the herd happens to be following at any point in time.

It gives him real political capital, along with those strong majorities in the House and Senate. Whether earned or not, good opinion numbers are a huge political resource.

I didn’t say Obama was “just like” anyone else. I said he’s likely to have a big first 100 days as FDR did. I base this on reports of legislation being developed to be passed quite quickly and signed into law.

There really is no reason to misrepresent what I actually wrote. We can talk about issues without turning each other into a straw man.

You’re more right than you know. You only have to pass the NY bar and be a member in good standing to join the DC bar. Sort of a 2 for 1 deal. So, the number of “qualified” candidates would the entire membership of the New York State Bar Association. That they’re all qualified to go to the Senate and help run the country would come as news to a WHOLE lot of people.

Most historians put Buchanan at the top of the terribles list. But if you want to put Bush there, go ahead. Bush had more executive experience than plenty of other presidents, including Lincoln, JFK and LBJ. What does that tell you about the correlation between experience and a successful presidency?

I will in no way support a Kennedy. Those people are skunks, always forcing the country to do what they want, and get away with it. Just because they have name recognition and money, doesn’t make them qualified for high office. I’ll never forget ” Chappaquiddick “!!! All of us are voting for Sarah Palin if she decides to run, at least thats a morally and ethically clean person, nice family, good values, happy spirit.–No Lobotamies in that family, no mistresses or alcoholics. — So our vote goes to Sarah, or no one else…..

Hillary and Bobby were “carpetbaggers”??

Since Caroline lives in New York, would that make her a scalawag??

Oowawa, I can only give you my take on this. Lots of people suffer, lots of people have family tragedy. In fact, loss is a constant in all our lives. Only in a society that values and glorifies victimhood would a statement like this even come up: because they suffered so much, we owe them.

Nonsense!

The Kennedy clan has benefited greatly by the bounty of this country. They’ve had their highs and lows. They’ve served the country, by choice, in various ways. But as a country, we owe them nothing more than a grateful and respectful thank you for their service.

We certainly do not owe obligatory, till the end of time patronage.

And Caroline Kennedy is “not” owed a Senate seat because her father was assassinated. Or because she supported Obama, period.

I’ll be the first person to be spiteful and admit it. Caroline Kennedy deserves no such seat or presidency because she undercut a female candidate to support and individual who is friends with a terrorist who thinks the man who killed her Uncle is the bestest person in the whole wide world, so much so that he dedicated a book to him. End of story, i have no time to potificate or beat around the bush. She did a crappy thing, and i dont care whose daughter she is or how many test she passed. She undermined a woman who had a good chance at the White House. Scratch that she participating in screwing us out of another four years of effective leadership at a time when we needed it most and that is unforgivable.

0bama would have to get rid of Hillary after the 2010 Senate election. If NYS has to decide between Carolyn Kennedy and Hillary Clinton in 2010, it won’t even be close, Clinton in a landslide. But of course it would be the party primary, and they just might might cook it again. Hillary will probably run again in 2016, and if 0bama does not screw up the Democrat brand (like Bush screwed the Republican brand), she should win.

As for Kennedy for NY Senate, I’m fine with that, as a NYS voter, but they have to pick the best person to get elected in 2010, it may not be here, but she does have the best name recognition around.

It would be nice to replace Hillary with another woman.

You know, Uppity predicted it would take 24 hours before this onslaught began: CK is “just” as qualified as Hillary Clinton when she took the Senate seat.

The rah-rah squad is in full force–if we say it enough times, it becomes true.

The Obamatrons are certainly predictable.

Although there was a lone poster last night who started the same screech. Hummm, think that poster mentioned that Hillary was “parachuted” into the job, which belies the fact that she actually ran and won.

It was a stupid line then and it’s wearisome now.

Ignore the trolls.

oh yes and let i go forth that i am not a die hard clitnon fan, no more than i love john mccain or palin. What i wanted was for the best candidate to win, and because of little miss Kennedy that did not happen. Her support of Obama was reeks of poor judgement, and that in itself makes her a bad choice for president. Before she ran out to the for front to lead, she should have known where she was going.

Thank you Peggy Sue. This makes perfect sense to me. I think we see a crumbling dynasty, with a mouldering patriarch trying to prolong something that is fading. The mystery to me is why Robert Kennedy Jr. is not the chosen one instead of Caroline. Is it because, considering the theory advanced on this thread, that he was not as useful to Obama as Caroline? Is Caroline just a more valuable commodity, being JFK’s daughter? Or perhaps he was not amenable to such dealings, being a Hillary supporter? Obviously, I’m just rambling, putting ideas in the air. I don’t have a clue.

The FEC shows that Caroline donated $2300 to Hillary’s presidential campaign on June 29, 2007. She had also donated $5000 to Hillary’s senatorial campaign in 2006. Then, on Sept. 18, 2007, she donated $2300 to Obama.

What the hell happened between June 29th and Sept. 18th.

Man this entire thing is disgusting, and to think some people spoke so much about being tired of having another Bush in the WH, they kept their fingers crossed that Jeb stayed out of the race.

Now we have another Kennedy jumping into the mix, what next when will it be Chelsea Clinton turn, maybe Michelle Obama cant run for something, and who know is years to come Obama’s eldest daughter would be just right for a senate seat.

We can keep this up and keep rotating these names on this list and there will never be CHANGE in Washington, and I thought Americans were big on the CHANGE idea, at lest was that not what some say they voted for?

A light bulb just went off in my head. I predict that either in 4 years, or sometime during his second term (if he gets re-elected) Biden resigns and Obama chooses Caroline Kennedy as his second term VP, so she will be a shoo-in for the Dem party in 2016. I hope Sarah Palin runs against her so I can vote for someone who deserves the job. I’ve always been a left leaning Independent, but I realized during this campaign that the Dems play even dirtier than the Repugs.

I know I will NEVER vote for Caroline Kennedy for President of the U.S. after how she treated HRC. I can’t stand her or her Uncle Teddy anymore. I never thought I’d see the day but, here we are.

RFK, Jr., that’s a different matter. I always liked Bobby Kennedy anyway. I was way too young to vote at the time but I was hoping he’d be our next President. I was thrilled to see that some his children supported HRC and I was filled with such hope again, hope I thought I’d never experience again, only to see it dashed once more.

After this primary and election season, I’ll never be a Democrat again, unless the Dems mend their ways but I’m not holding my breath for that.

If it’s CK v Palin in the next election, I’ll gladly vote for Palin, you betcha. If it’s Obama v Palin in the next election and HRC was dissed and/ or destroyed as SoS or harmed in anyway, I again, will gladly vote for Palin again (as I did this year). It’s not clear to me how HRC will run again but part of me hopes she sees a way and is going after that. If she does, I will of course, vote for her.

Whether earned or not, good opinion numbers are a huge political resource.

Until they are used to measure the depth of your fall from favor in later days.

And shouldn’t we talk about “approval ratings” after he takes office?

Why, Yes! That seems sensible to me!

Sorry, democrat. I’m putting my euphoria on hold till he’s actually had a year or two in office.

How stodgy of you.

Oprah, Maria Shriver’s very good friend.

The only thing Caroline Kennedy has going for her is that she is the result of a sperm donation from JFK.
New York deserves better.
This state has helped America since the beginning of this country.
Trying to replace a hardworking, intelligent woman with a lightweight is an insult to New York, and the country.

WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLR RULE

Obama will have to take the blame for whatever he fails to fix. I remember when my 401K lost six figures (over half its value) in early April 2000 because of the dot com bust. It took over 5 years to recoup that loss. That was 9 months before Bush took office, but he’s been blamed for the whole downturn of the economy.

I have been very suspicious of John Kerry’s silence.

Know what makes me puke?
The Kennedy clan ganging up on the Clintons.
Why?
Plain old jealousy. Just like the wars
between royal families of yore.

We almost had the greatest f*king president this
country ever had.

Fat, geriatric bastard with a hole-in-his brain
fixed that. Along with his pampered little neice.

The Kennedys want what the Clintons earned.
The Kennedys get what they want.

Their entire history is grabbing. That’s how
JFK became president. That’s how “the Kennedy
legacy” became president. By grabbing. Even
if they had to f*k over entire states to get it.

Make no mistake. The Kennedys own the democratic
party. America is not a democracy. It is a monarchy state.

Folks, let’s fight this coronation tooth and nail.

No, Princess Caroline. You cannot have Clinton’s senate seat.

I am willing and ready to drive to Albany to demonstrate.

We wouldn’t even be discussing the idea of CK as a replacement Senator, if HRC had not accepted the SOS position. I think that Hillary made a big mistake. We have Samantha Powers of “HC is a monster fame” back in BO’s administration. Now, CK is a possible replacement for her! This smacks of cronyism, elitism, and fraud.

Hillary come back to the Senate!

Demo

What has CK actually done for “civil rights”?

She is merely another hands-off, lip-sync actvist like Obama, Kerry, etc., who does not know actual activism involves more than just verbal platitudes.

Please enlighten us as to her actual hands-on achievements.

But, Obama also belonged to the Congress that was given even lower approval ratings than Bush.

This is all making me feel very ill. I am really, really sick of the Kennedys right now. I’m afraid, however, the NY Governor will ‘play ball’ with whatever he’s asked to do. No rest for the weary!

Maybe that’s the solution. Get her back in the senate.
She would make a magnificent SOS, but B.O. probably won’t let her.
And for sure her enemies will be poisoning his brain against her.

I will make a bet that there will some controversy within 6 months of Hillary takes office. I will make a bet that she will be fighting for her job within 6 months of its inception. I have a feeling that Hillary has been duped again.

Which would be worse: Princess Caroline in Clinton’s Senate seat or John Kerry as Secretary of State?

Pretty gross thoughts, right?

I’d almost rather see George W. Bush get a third term.

Kerry will probably be SOS before long…
Or should I say I dont thing Hillary will last long.

Woman voter, you are so right! I have never heard Caroline Kennedy say one memorable thing. She is much too shy and lacks the finess needed to be all these things that many here are suggesting. Oh, please, God, let this just be us telling ourselves scarey stories. Otherwise, I would need 8 years to prepare myself for that nervous breakdown. I, too, won’t forget what she did this year. Sleezy. Like so many, she said it was her “kids” that called her attention to Obama. That’s what Maria Shriver said too. Apparently runs in the family.

it’s just like the workforce. When someone does their job well enough to become a star, hate factions set out to bring them down. This is especially true if the star is a woman, at least from what I’ve seen.
You know the Kerry Kennedy gang will be in there with Obama, poisoning him against her.

Issues with Hillary as SoS?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460724,00.html

Did ANYONE (who is “anyone”) initially support Obama because he/she believed in his cause, or was every endorser promised something? This is starting to look like the worst political patronage system in history! Obama needn’t think he has 8 years sewn up. His blackness won’t protect him against every adversity that may occur, and if his administration starts to look too much like Chicago or Detroit, the Repubs will have a field day. He’s made some very smart choices, but if they look too much like pay-offs, it’s all going to go sour–just like it has for W with his loyalists and Regents U. grads.
And people should remember that the Kennedy mystique did not win MA or CA for Obama in the primaries. And part of the family has been sullied now, for many Boomers, by its support of Obama.

I heard one of the pundits on FOX this morning say, that New York is in trouble and its needs star power in the Senate so Caroline Kennedy because of her name is a good fit for this NY seat.

Wow!! We are really doom when our politics now is left to nothing but name recognition, star power and who’s who. No wonder Palin could not make it she had no glitter and glam, we was a plain Palin.

Seems as if running for office, no longer hinges on what you bring to the table, what political/executive experience you have its now star power.

I hope one day some Americans wake up and realize how screwed we are, and really look at all these shinning stars presently on this political scene, if some of us don’t we are going to be in a heap of trouble and this country is going to be in choas

Great. Instead of breaking with tradition and moving to a three-party system, we are going to have a two-family system.

Love the “poetry” and I for one will join you in Albany if there is a protest.

Actually. The protest starts here.

NOCK NOCK

Al Franken deserves that seat if anyone does.
Not only did he campaign hard, but he has twice her brains.

Hope you don’t mind but I’ve quoted you
http://partizane.com/node/497

So, when people said they were ready for the first woman President, but that Hillary was not the ‘right’ woman, now we know what they meant.

I, for one, do not want a woman President. I want a qualified woman President. I don’t want a figurehead for the boys to use; that ain’t progress.

She’s an empty dress just like Obama is an empty suit

Me, too, I will support Palin. I don’t support monarchies or their figureheads

Call Gov Patterson and ask for Kirsten Gillibrand to be the new Senator. She won her district in upstate NY by 20 points against a Republican who self-funded to the tune of 7 million against her 4 million raised! It’s a Republican district to boot. She can win statewide….keep Carloine Kennedy out of my state……………please

Margaret, you echo my sentiments exactly. As an African American, I didn’t want a black president, I wanted a qualified black president!

Is this a joke?

Has the cult of Clinton already identified Chelsea as their next object for adoration?

The often repeated claim that Obama has a messianic hold on his supporters looks increasingly like a projection of Clinton enthrallment.

And what are the people of New York supposed to do for a Senator while Caroline Kennedy is finding out if politics is what she wants to do?? Being a Senator is not a job you can use as a try-out to see if you like being in politics. If Caroline Kennedy wants to be in politics, let her run for State Senator and find out that way. The people of New York deserve better than a neophyte on a fact-finding tour. They deserve a Senator who will work for them, not one who may or may not like the job and is using the Senate seat to find out. For Caroline Kennedy to get the appointment would be a horrible thing to do to the people of New York who are accustomed to Hillary’s stellar and hardworking representation. And as for her uncle Ted threatening the legislation that would affect NY, well that is literally criminal. It’s pay for play in its crudest form. The only thing we owe the Kennedys in public office is their salaries. And the assassinated members of the family are owed sorrow and reverence for their sacrifice on behalf of the country. Their relatives are owed condolences.. and nothing more.