IAEA Reports on Iran

The corporate media will bury the report too.

On a related topic, what does Bush think he’s doing in Pakistan bringing Benazir Bhutto back? How is she going to go after the Taliban any better than Musharraf, when she helped to create them? Wasn’t Bhutto also as responsible as Musharraf for the AQ Khan nuclear network? Didn’t Bhutto allow bin Laden to move from Khartoum to Jalalabad in 1996, which gave al Qaeda a base in Afghanistan? The Bushies are going to prop up Musharraf and put Bhutto in power? Isn’t Pakistan supposed to be a democracy? This’ll certainly help us win friends and influence the Pakistanis, who view Musharraf as a US puppet already, won’t it?

Leslie, Bhutto is not more popular with Pakistanis than Musharraf if the Pakistanis I know are any indication. Her regime was extremely corrupt, and her return is not appreciated by anyone I know there.

The one they are hopeful about is Nawaz Sharif. Musharraf refused to allow him to return, but the Supreme Court overrruled and said he could return. The problem is that it is quite likely he would be arrested as soon as he stepped inside the country. Anyway, he is the one that Pakistanis want, not Benazir Bhutto.

As for Pakistan being a democracy, Musharraf was not elected, of course, but took power in a coup, and the most popular person – Sharif – was banned by Musharraf from entering the country. So, you be the judge what kind of democracy it is.

Yes, well, don’t forget that the Bushies also have a couple of aces in their sleeves, so they don’t really need the nuclear thing anyway. They still insist that Iran is the greatest state sponsor of terrorism – a highly questionable assertion at best. And, of course, there is the absolute audacity of Iran to be (shocked intake of breath here) interfering in Iraq’s business! Can you imagine any country having the nerve to do such a thing? No wonder the Bushies are upset.

I didn’t know all that background, but I would say it does not sound anything like what I envision a democracy to be… rather, it looks this country is becoming more and more like Pakistan in that regard…

Yeah PrchrLady, I have fond memories of habeas, the Constitution, the rule of law, the Geneva Conventions, the idea that the Unitary Executive had to honor and follow the law laid down by the legislative branch and upheld by the courts too. Alas, those were the good ole’ days.

since the Repub. C**ksucker tread disappeared:

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2007/08/wholl-be-next-republican-hypocrite-to.html

Yeah, Gannon will join a lot of clubs, that one included…

Just read a really great article on Iraq debacle, and showing bushie boys attempt to connect Iran…

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070903_the_next_quagmire/

He is so sick, I don’t see how Congress cannot impeach him. Like the troops said in a recent article, our time to effect change for the good has long passed. How much clearer does it need to be that bushco has and is acting outside the laws of this country, and indeed, the world?? We must continue to pressure congress to Impeach these monsters…

Shirin,
Pakistan is supposed to hold general elections by year’s end. The Bushies hope to prevent Musharraf’s ouster and install Bhutto ahead of that election.

Bin Laden may have helped Sharif and his party replace Bhutto as prime minister in 1990, and then again in 1996. Sharif is reported to be more amenable to bin Laden’s interests than Bhutto. However, the Pakistan constitution may prevent both Bhutto and Sharif from returning from exile to influence the election.

Sharif is reportedly corrupt too. For example: the drug trade.

Well, if you haven’t heard. Magic was performed and North Korea is no longer a terrorist nation.

All it takes is for America to say you aren’t a terrorist and it becomes so.

Viola!

Now that just leaves pesky old Iran, the one remaining Axis of evil member that is still considered a terrrrrrrrist nation.

Even though what has been done in North Korea was alsoi done by Madeliene Albright it will be said to be a great success.

Now the board has been cleared to deal with Iran and Iran alone.

-GSD

Leslie, don’t forget one man, one vote, and checks and balances in the list of things we miss.

I miss my country (sigh) Stranger in a strang land, indeed.

Yeah, isn’t it odd that even dictatorships still have elections [such as the US, Pakistan]. Corrupt politicians can still be booted [such as Gonzales, Rove, Libby, Bhutto, etc.].

We’ll probably keep some of the trappings of a democracy, even though it’s been gutted and that gutting supported by the opposition party. Sob.

Leslie, don’t know how Sharif, Bhutto or Musharraf relate to the bin Laden phenomenon. What I know is that Musharraf is very unpopular (partly, but not entirely because he is a U.S. toady), Bhutto is also not popular, largely because her government was very corrupt, and Sharif is well liked. The Pakistanis I know, who are very typical educated, very religious urban Pakistanis, support Sharif’s return. By no means do they support bin Laden and his ilk.

So, something does not compute.

Steve Coll of the New Yorker was on PBS Newshour last week. Fascinating on Pakistan. Said that although Sharif was cleared by the Supreme Court to return, the Pakistani army runs the airports and he won’t be able to get off the plane unless the army okays it.

I have no doubt that the Pakistanis you know are educated and highly intelligent, and that they don’t support al Qaeda. I can’t confirm or deny the reports of Sharif’s alleged ties to bin Laden, only cite the reports. You know being intelligent and highly-educated doesn’t mean much in terms of who you vote for…just look at the US and our preznit choices.

Yes, that is pretty much the situation. The army could keep him from getting off the plane, or they could arrest him as soon as he sets foot in the country.

No doubt they are all corrupt to one degree or another. Apparently Sharif’s corruption has not been perceived by the Pakistani people to have as much of an adverse effect on them as Musharraf and Bhutto. According to my sources, he is more popular with the people than the other two, who are quite unpopular.

Leslie, my Pakistani friends and family (I am an adopted member of one very large family there, and it is they with whom I stay when I visit there) are not members of the “elite”, but are quite ordinary as urban educated Pakistanis go.

In any case, my point is that from what I can tell, Sharif is well-regarded by the people compared to Musharraf and Bhutto. who are not well-regarded. Of course, most Pakistanis, like most people everywhere, are mainly concerned about the things that affect their day to day lives and wellfare, and not the details of who supposedly made it easier for bin Laden to do this or that. In fact, bin Laden does not cross their minds much at all from what I can tell, except as someone who has made their lives a bit more difficult by being an enemy of the United States that is somehow associated with their country.

Evidence that the news media will twist these reports was very clear today, even if done so for reasons that wouldn’t be obvious as nefarious. (too many “ious” there sorry)

CNN ran this article today from AP
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/09/02/iran.nuclear.ap/

Then the Houston Chronicle ran a very truncated version here which omitted ElBaradei’s conclusions and then deleted the article, and replaced it with this.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/world/5103178.html

The Chron headline is:
Iran claims to have reached uranium enrichment goal
If true, Tehran might be able to make a nuclear bomb in a year

I’d like to thank the peeps like Ed Herman and Chomsky for helping me understand how to read the news across many arenas in a critical manner.

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I assume that if and when our regime goes and does something stupid in Iran, there are other nations that might respond in ways we would consider unpleasant. I know that Russia has always considered Iran to be its backyard. The warm water port and all that. And China has interests in Iran. Then there’s the whole Pakistan situation which you’ve all been talking about, and which looks extremely dicey. I mean, if our overlords in DC were to launch a third war with Iran, would they be prepared to launch a fourth with Pakistan if their government suddenly turned unfriendly?

I guess my main point is that Iraq was poor and isolated, and the US had its famous Coalition of the Willing, even if a lot of them were coerced. This time the US is pretty much alone and its military is overstretched, and Iran is going to have some allies who might do some things we aren’t prepared for. (When are these guys prepared for anything?)

They’re going to do it because they can, and because they don’t think of the consequences, and they don’t care, and they love power. But it will be the ruin of us all.

Hold on! This report does not say that Iran is IAEA compliant! It says that the declared programs are compliant. It explicitly says that Iran is no longer providing information it used to provide, calling into doubt the scope of declared nuclear programs.

In other words, what the IAEA has seen is compliant and not diverted to weapons systems. However, Iran has not demonstrated that what they are showing is all they’ve got.

This is essentially Bush’s complaint about Iran. Incidentally, it is also Iran’s complaint about Israel. And it is Pakistan’s complaint about India.

It’s important to get this right to maintain credibility.

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