Comments on: IAEA Reports on Iran http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/808/iaea-reports-on-iran/ Sun, 27 May 2012 12:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: ламинат http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/808/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-602827 ламинат Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:39:52 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/04/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-602827 1iThank's.9x I compleatly agree with last post. ubs <a href="http://skuper.ru" rel="nofollow">паркет</a> 4l 1iThank’s.9x I compleatly agree with last post. ubs
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]]> By: Chris Cronin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/808/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-23540 Chris Cronin Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:26:49 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/04/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-23540 Hold on! This report does not say that Iran is IAEA compliant! It says that the <em>declared</em> programs are compliant. It explicitly says that Iran is no longer providing information it used to provide, calling into doubt the scope of declared nuclear programs. In other words, what the IAEA has seen is compliant and not diverted to weapons systems. However, Iran has not demonstrated that what they are showing is all they've got. This is essentially Bush's complaint about Iran. Incidentally, it is also Iran's complaint about Israel. And it is Pakistan's complaint about India. It's important to get this right to maintain credibility. Hold on! This report does not say that Iran is IAEA compliant! It says that the declared programs are compliant. It explicitly says that Iran is no longer providing information it used to provide, calling into doubt the scope of declared nuclear programs.

In other words, what the IAEA has seen is compliant and not diverted to weapons systems. However, Iran has not demonstrated that what they are showing is all they’ve got.

This is essentially Bush’s complaint about Iran. Incidentally, it is also Iran’s complaint about Israel. And it is Pakistan’s complaint about India.

It’s important to get this right to maintain credibility.

]]> By: Delia http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/808/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22957 Delia Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:37:10 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/04/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22957 I assume that if and when our regime goes and does something stupid in Iran, there are other nations that might respond in ways we would consider unpleasant. I know that Russia has always considered Iran to be its backyard. The warm water port and all that. And China has interests in Iran. Then there's the whole Pakistan situation which you've all been talking about, and which looks extremely dicey. I mean, if our overlords in DC were to launch a third war with Iran, would they be prepared to launch a fourth with Pakistan if their government suddenly turned unfriendly? I guess my main point is that Iraq was poor and isolated, and the US had its famous Coalition of the Willing, even if a lot of them were coerced. This time the US is pretty much alone and its military is overstretched, and Iran is going to have some allies who might do some things we aren't prepared for. (When are these guys prepared for anything?) They're going to do it because they can, and because they don't think of the consequences, and they don't care, and they love power. But it will be the ruin of us all. I assume that if and when our regime goes and does something stupid in Iran, there are other nations that might respond in ways we would consider unpleasant. I know that Russia has always considered Iran to be its backyard. The warm water port and all that. And China has interests in Iran. Then there’s the whole Pakistan situation which you’ve all been talking about, and which looks extremely dicey. I mean, if our overlords in DC were to launch a third war with Iran, would they be prepared to launch a fourth with Pakistan if their government suddenly turned unfriendly?

I guess my main point is that Iraq was poor and isolated, and the US had its famous Coalition of the Willing, even if a lot of them were coerced. This time the US is pretty much alone and its military is overstretched, and Iran is going to have some allies who might do some things we aren’t prepared for. (When are these guys prepared for anything?)

They’re going to do it because they can, and because they don’t think of the consequences, and they don’t care, and they love power. But it will be the ruin of us all.

]]> By: IAEA Reports on Iran - Bugger at Antony Loewenstein http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/808/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22833 IAEA Reports on Iran - Bugger at Antony Loewenstein Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:48:43 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/04/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22833 [...] gun, but don’t expect to let this stop the Bush gang and the neocons from continuing to spread lies about nukes in [...] [...] gun, but don’t expect to let this stop the Bush gang and the neocons from continuing to spread lies about nukes in [...]

]]> By: chris http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/808/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22761 chris Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:02:27 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/04/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22761 Evidence that the news media will twist these reports was very clear today, even if done so for reasons that wouldn't be obvious as nefarious. (too many "ious" there sorry) CNN ran this article today from AP http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/09/02/iran.nuclear.ap/ Then the Houston Chronicle ran a very truncated version here which omitted ElBaradei's conclusions and then deleted the article, and replaced it with this. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/world/5103178.html The Chron headline is: <strong>Iran claims to have reached uranium enrichment goal If true, Tehran might be able to make a nuclear bomb in a year</strong> I'd like to thank the peeps like Ed Herman and Chomsky for helping me understand how to read the news across many arenas in a critical manner. Evidence that the news media will twist these reports was very clear today, even if done so for reasons that wouldn’t be obvious as nefarious. (too many “ious” there sorry)

CNN ran this article today from AP
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/09/02/iran.nuclear.ap/

Then the Houston Chronicle ran a very truncated version here which omitted ElBaradei’s conclusions and then deleted the article, and replaced it with this.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/world/5103178.html

The Chron headline is:
Iran claims to have reached uranium enrichment goal
If true, Tehran might be able to make a nuclear bomb in a year

I’d like to thank the peeps like Ed Herman and Chomsky for helping me understand how to read the news across many arenas in a critical manner.

]]> By: Shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/808/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22753 Shirin Tue, 04 Sep 2007 07:08:02 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/04/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22753 Leslie, my Pakistani friends and family (I am an adopted member of one very large family there, and it is they with whom I stay when I visit there) are not members of the "elite", but are quite ordinary as urban educated Pakistanis go. In any case, my point is that from what I can tell, Sharif is well-regarded by the people compared to Musharraf and Bhutto. who are not well-regarded. Of course, most Pakistanis, like most people everywhere, are mainly concerned about the things that affect their day to day lives and wellfare, and not the details of who supposedly made it easier for bin Laden to do this or that. In fact, bin Laden does not cross their minds much at all from what I can tell, except as someone who has made their lives a bit more difficult by being an enemy of the United States that is somehow associated with their country. Leslie, my Pakistani friends and family (I am an adopted member of one very large family there, and it is they with whom I stay when I visit there) are not members of the “elite”, but are quite ordinary as urban educated Pakistanis go.

In any case, my point is that from what I can tell, Sharif is well-regarded by the people compared to Musharraf and Bhutto. who are not well-regarded. Of course, most Pakistanis, like most people everywhere, are mainly concerned about the things that affect their day to day lives and wellfare, and not the details of who supposedly made it easier for bin Laden to do this or that. In fact, bin Laden does not cross their minds much at all from what I can tell, except as someone who has made their lives a bit more difficult by being an enemy of the United States that is somehow associated with their country.

]]> By: Shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/808/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22738 Shirin Tue, 04 Sep 2007 05:38:14 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/04/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22738 No doubt they are all corrupt to one degree or another. Apparently Sharif's corruption has not been perceived by the Pakistani people to have as much of an adverse effect on them as Musharraf and Bhutto. According to my sources, he is more popular with the people than the other two, who are quite unpopular. No doubt they are all corrupt to one degree or another. Apparently Sharif’s corruption has not been perceived by the Pakistani people to have as much of an adverse effect on them as Musharraf and Bhutto. According to my sources, he is more popular with the people than the other two, who are quite unpopular.

]]> By: Shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/808/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22737 Shirin Tue, 04 Sep 2007 05:33:44 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/04/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22737 Yes, that is pretty much the situation. The army could keep him from getting off the plane, or they could arrest him as soon as he sets foot in the country. Yes, that is pretty much the situation. The army could keep him from getting off the plane, or they could arrest him as soon as he sets foot in the country.

]]> By: Leslie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/808/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22734 Leslie Tue, 04 Sep 2007 05:18:54 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/04/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22734 I have no doubt that the Pakistanis you know are educated and highly intelligent, and that they don't support al Qaeda. I can't confirm or deny the reports of Sharif's alleged ties to bin Laden, only cite the reports. You know being intelligent and highly-educated doesn't mean much in terms of who you vote for...just look at the US and our preznit choices. I have no doubt that the Pakistanis you know are educated and highly intelligent, and that they don’t support al Qaeda. I can’t confirm or deny the reports of Sharif’s alleged ties to bin Laden, only cite the reports. You know being intelligent and highly-educated doesn’t mean much in terms of who you vote for…just look at the US and our preznit choices.

]]> By: SusanUnPC http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/808/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22717 SusanUnPC Tue, 04 Sep 2007 04:18:15 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/04/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22717 Steve Coll of the New Yorker was on PBS Newshour last week. Fascinating on Pakistan. Said that although Sharif was cleared by the Supreme Court to return, the Pakistani army runs the airports and he won't be able to get off the plane unless the army okays it. Steve Coll of the New Yorker was on PBS Newshour last week. Fascinating on Pakistan. Said that although Sharif was cleared by the Supreme Court to return, the Pakistani army runs the airports and he won’t be able to get off the plane unless the army okays it.

]]> By: Shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/808/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22706 Shirin Tue, 04 Sep 2007 03:28:07 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/04/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22706 Leslie, don't know how Sharif, Bhutto or Musharraf relate to the bin Laden phenomenon. What I know is that Musharraf is very unpopular (partly, but not entirely because he is a U.S. toady), Bhutto is also not popular, largely because her government was very corrupt, and Sharif is well liked. The Pakistanis I know, who are very typical educated, very religious urban Pakistanis, support Sharif's return. By no means do they support bin Laden and his ilk. So, something does not compute. Leslie, don’t know how Sharif, Bhutto or Musharraf relate to the bin Laden phenomenon. What I know is that Musharraf is very unpopular (partly, but not entirely because he is a U.S. toady), Bhutto is also not popular, largely because her government was very corrupt, and Sharif is well liked. The Pakistanis I know, who are very typical educated, very religious urban Pakistanis, support Sharif’s return. By no means do they support bin Laden and his ilk.

So, something does not compute.

]]> By: Leslie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/808/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22701 Leslie Tue, 04 Sep 2007 03:09:22 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/04/iaea-reports-on-iran/#comment-22701 Yeah, isn't it odd that even dictatorships still have elections [such as the US, Pakistan]. Corrupt politicians can still be booted [such as Gonzales, Rove, Libby, Bhutto, etc.]. We'll probably keep some of the trappings of a democracy, even though it's been gutted and that gutting supported by the opposition party. Sob. Yeah, isn’t it odd that even dictatorships still have elections [such as the US, Pakistan]. Corrupt politicians can still be booted [such as Gonzales, Rove, Libby, Bhutto, etc.].

We’ll probably keep some of the trappings of a democracy, even though it’s been gutted and that gutting supported by the opposition party. Sob.

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