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Some Tidbits from US Attorney’s Blagojevich Press Release

By LisaB on December 9, 2008 at 1:48 PM in Current Affairs

Governor Rod Blagojevich of IL was arrested at the same time as his chief of staff this morning (6:51 CST) on corruption charges. Anyone paying the least amount of attention to recent stories about Illinois politics should find this not at all surprising. What’s interesting is the simultaneous arrest and its swiftness.

The release from the US Attorney’s office is very interesting, but on first reading, here are a few interesting tidbits.

It seems Blagojevich’s wife was in on at least some corruption.

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On November 10, Blagojevich, his wife, Harris, Governor General Counsel, Advisor B and other Washington-based advisors participated at different times in a two-hour phone call in which they allegedly discussed, among other things, a deal involving the SEIU. Harris said they could work out a deal with the union and the President-elect where SEIU could help the President-elect with Blagojevich’s appointment of Senate Candidate 1, while Blagojevich would obtain a position as the National Director of the Change to Win campaign and SEIU would get something favorable from the President-elect in the future.

Blagojevich was pressuring the Chicago Tribune – not a secret – but it also appears the owner was willing to somehow play ball.  Either that or he was playing dumb.  But it is interesting the Tribune declared bankruptcy yesterday.  I can’t believe this is completely unrelated.

In a November 11 intercepted call, Harris allegedly told Blagojevich that Tribune Financial Advisor talked to Tribune Owner and Tribune Owner “got the message and is very sensitive to the issue.” Harris told Blagojevich that according to Tribune Financial Advisor, there would be “certain corporate reorganizations and budget cuts coming and, reading between the lines, he’s going after that section.” Blagojevich allegedly responded. “Oh. That’s fantastic.” After further discussion, Blagojevich said, “Wow. Okay, keep our fingers crossed. You’re the man. Good job, John.”

 
I wonder if this precipitated the arrest:

Also on December 5, Blagojevich and three others allegedly discussed whether to move money out of the Friends of Blagojevich campaign fund to avoid having the money frozen by federal authorities and also considered the possibility of prepaying the money to Blagojevich’s criminal defense attorney with an understanding that the attorney would donate the money back at a later time if it was not needed. They also discussed opening a new fund raising account named Citizens for Blagojevich with new contributions.

It looks as if the BO camp was trying to suggest a woman for the senate seat. The US Attorney’s office was careful to keep some names out of the release, including “Senate Candidate 1″ and “Senate Candidate 5″ etc. But they did let a pronoun slip.

In a conversation with Harris on November 11, the charges state, Blagojevich said he knew that the President-elect wanted Senate Candidate 1 for the open seat but “they’re not willing to give me anything except appreciation. [Expletive] them.”
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Senate Candidate 1 eventually removed herself from consideration for the open seat.

Could that have been Lisa Madigan, AG, once touted for the seat by the Sun-Times? Or Rep. Jan Schakowsky? Thoughts?

This is going to get interesting all around. Isn’t it completely amazing our PEBO emerged from this political slime so completely uncorrupted? Whew!

  • Loopy

    Is there anything in there about Obama or even potentially pointing to Obama?

    I don’t think so. In fact, the investigators go out of their wasy to say that the Governor was not happy with Obama. He said that Obama can go F’ himself.

    • Mary Kay

      Yeah, but remember the reports on Operation Board games. They are all tied together but the Feds aren’t going to make allegations at this time. They can’t. Just wait… and watch… and listen… Blogobutt will get desperate and he’ll sing to cop a plea. I’d put money on it.

      • Loopy

        No one has been vetted by his political opponents (both Hillary and McCain) more than Obama. If there was an issue, it would have come out by now.

        • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

          Saying that the criminal DNC “vetted” Fraudbama is like saying the rat is guarding the cheese. By the way, as far as the BC issue, it’s always been on Fraudbama himself to attest to his eligibility. Oops, no one checked I guess. Because he signed statements to the affect that he is a Natural Born Citizen, which we all have figured out by now that he’s NOT. “Out by now?” Then what? Fitzie gets called a “racist” and yet again “whitey takes down blackie” and the riots start. If Senator McCain pulled ONE of Fraudbama’s criminal stunts it would have wallpapered the MSM and he would be run out of this country. Fraudbama has had a free ride since day one. No worries though. So did OJ and look where he is. Fraudbama will get to the Big House too! And I don’t mean the White House.

          • Slim Tyranny

            hahaha

            • MissTickly

              Obama: “I didn’t know about it, didn’t talk to Blogo about it.”

              Yeah, the buck stops here all right.

          • Loopy

            The best consiracy theory of all time is the “natural born citizen one”. Very funny, as it never stops. I do not believe you are a citizen, show my your birth certificate. That is a fake birth certificate. No those groups verifying it are lying. No the state of Hawaii verifying it is lying. Well you must be a dual citizen. You were born in Kenya or Indonesia. You went to Pakistan which proves you have a dual citizenship. Or you must have renounced your citizenship when you were a kid. No your mother is not American. Your mother is dead. etc., etc., etc.

            • Slim Tyranny

              I agree, it’s the best, because it’s a conspiracy theory spanning decades and involving all sorts of governmental officials. From the “fake” birth announcement planted in the Hawaiian paper shortly after Obama’s birth to the corrupt Department of Health in Hawaii helping cover up his long-form birth certificate, to theories about Obama conspiring with grandma and/or killing her to silence her, to referencing inconsistencies on Wikipedia(!) (an internet source, not matching up with other sources! but the internet is infallible!), there is something to satisfy everyone.

              • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

                Valerie Jarrett

                • Lyn

                  Valerie was my thought too. Didn’t she pull out about that time?

              • heather

                Not that this is anything about anything, but my son’s birth announcement appeared only in a small newspaper in Canada, not the actual country where he was born. Why? Because it was my husband’s home town, and that’s where we met. His parents still live there and people still know my husband there.

                I have seen that birth announcement — it doesn’t give a location (like a hospital) or any of the other info that people normally put in them like date, time, weight, length, etc. , so I’m not sure how it gives any proof of anything other than that he existed, which we already knew — maybe it appeared there because that’s where Stanley Ann Dunham hailed from? If you saw another one that appeared in Kenya would you see that as proof of his birth in Kenya?

                I see it this way. This is an easy thing to clear up — since Hawaii had laws on the books at the time that allowed you to register a birth and have a birth certificate issued by the state even if you weren’t born there, and since the statement from officials in Hawaii said nothing like “I have seen his vault birth certificate and it definitely states that he was born in Hawaii”, in fact they just says that he has a certificate in the vault, and since it would be a nothing to just produce the darn thing and stop the tongues wagging, I say show it to us, and we’ll all put our tails between our legs and run off yelping. Something smells when you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep from showing something that would cost fifteen bucks to produce, no?

            • http://www.madinthemiddle.blogspot.com churl

              I have a birth certificate. Do you? Does Obama? I also even have witnesses to my birth (and I’m older than dirt). Obama has conflicting witnesses and was apparently born in two or three different hospitals. Go figure.

              • Slim Tyranny

                Obama does have a birth certificate. It’s with the Hawaiian State Department of Health, and it’s existence and authenticity have been verified by state officials. Furthermore, he has produced the short-form certification that shows he was born in Hawaii.

                End of story.

                But no, you’d rather believe that there is a conspiracy involving Hawaiian Health Department officials and, possibly, even the Supreme Court.

                • Touchet

                  Fallacy of authority:

                  An appeal to authority or argument by authority is a type of argument in logic. It bases the truth value of an assertion on the authority, knowledge, expertise, or position of the person asserting it. It is also known as argument from authority, argumentum ad verecundiam (Latin: argument to respect) or ipse dixit (Latin: he himself said it).

                  It is one method of obtaining propositional knowledge, but a fallacy in regard to syllogistic logic, because the validity of a syllogism is independent of the qualities of the person putting it forward. The converse case is an ad hominem attack: to imply that a claim is false because the asserter lacks authority or is otherwise objectionable in some way.[1]

                  On the other hand, arguments from authority are an important part of informal logic. Since we cannot have detailed knowledge of a great many topics, we must often rely on the judgments of those who do. There is no fallacy involved in simply arguing that the assertion made by an authority is true, in contrast to claiming that the authority is infallible in principle and can hence be exempted from criticism: It can be true, the truth can merely not be proven, or made probable by attributing it to the authority, and the assumption that the assertion was true might be subject to criticism and turn out to have actually been wrong. If a criticism appears that contradicts the authority’s statement, then merely the fact that the statement originated from the authority is not an argument for ignoring the criticism.

                • Touchet

                  Now, show the birth certificate to a court personally and stop getting other “authority” figures to verify the information. Apparently there is a contradiction, no matter how absurb. So show the birth certificate to a court room.

                  Obama is the only one allowing this go on. It is my belief he is doing it on purpose to be defiant in some sense. This tells me alot about how he will handle a foreign relations issue. If at anytime they question the validity of a statement he makes, he will just ignore them or send someone else to handle it.

                • http://firefox AnnieCollier

                  Yep, I have a certified copy of my very own birth certificate. I can’t figure out why mine is not sealed by the Governor of the state.

              • http://truthisgold.blogspot.com truthisgold

                AND in three different countries, of parents who could not legally confer natural born American citizenship upon him. PERHAPS American citizenship under the 14th Amendment, but NOT citizenship eligible to run for POTUS.

                It is very simple, really. What a shame and what a farce that so few people are able to read and interpret the laws of our land correctly.

          • socalannie

            ROFL!!

        • oooh, obama

          Yeah, and Obama was THOROUGHLY investigated by the MSM…. Chris Matthews personally peeked up his leg.

        • SN in MN

          Are you kidding? Clinton’s camp was plainly making the argument that he was unelectable based on info they had. They saw the writing on the wall when nobody in the MSM would do anything but swoon over plastic jesus. Go back to your video games and let the adults chat.

        • mountainaires

          Why did Obama lie about his contacts with Hot Rod about that Senate seat then?

          http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html

          Questions Arise About the Obama/Blagojevich Relationship
          December 09, 2008 3:37 PM

          “Obviously like the rest of the people of Illinois I am saddened and sobered by the news that came out of the US attorney’s office today,” said President-elect Obama this afternoon in Chicago, speaking of the criminal complaint against Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich for corruption. “But as this is a ongoing investigation involving the governor I don’t think it would be appropriate for me to comment on the issue at this time.”

          Asked what contact he’d had with the governor’s office about his replacement in the Senate, President-elect Obama today said “I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening.”

          But on November 23, 2008, his senior adviser David Axelrod appeared on Fox News Chicago and said something quite different.

          While insisting that the President-elect had not expressed a favorite to replace him, and his inclination was to avoid being a “kingmaker,” Axelrod said, “I know he’s talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them.”

          [snip]

        • ScottVA

          LOL where in the heck have you been for the past 12 months? Smoking something funny? LOL NoBama vetted? You’ve got to be kidding me!

      • Peggy Sue

        You’re right, Mary Kay. Operation Board games, the pay to play scheme, the Illinois Combine goes everywhere, across party and state lines.

        Follow the money, as they say. The corruption is deep and stunning. And Fitz has a record of bringing charges only when he has a solid case. Gov Blogo is going down. The question is how many pols will he take with him.

        • http://truthisgold.blogspot.com truthisgold

          Many, many, one hopes, including the leader of that odious Illinois pack, The ObamaOne

      • MissTickly

        Sounds like Blago trusted his friend Obama enough to go to him with this scheme, eh? Blago sounds unhappy with his old friend now that he didn’t want to play…today. But he would play if he would hold off for two years for the payback.

        Blago’s so mad at his partner-in-crime for denying him instant gratification, you can tell he will squeal like a piggie with all the evidence they have on him.

        Fitzgerald’s pretty sly allowing the expletive’s used to refer to Obama to be released. I hope Obama is shitting his pants right now when he hears his old friend that has the ‘goods’ on him call him a motherfucker.

        • http://truthisgold.blogspot.com truthisgold

          Miss T, funny and true…there are reasons why the One is looking so poorly these days…and he hasn’t even had run-in ONE with any of those prickly, sharp world leaders out there!

          Let the Games begin: sooner or later, the Rollover Game will commence with fervor, and the only thing they’ll have to fear is retribution from their Own, for the Prosecutors are usually content with sufficient testimony to nail the big fish!

          It is most amusing to note that these games have begun in ernest even BEFORE the Jan. 20 Starting Gun fires!

      • http://truthisgold.blogspot.com truthisgold

        Mary Kay, one hopes…and PUMAs watch and wait…for the truth shall set us free!

    • pm317

      Yea, swimming in that cesspool for 20 years, Obama was untouched just like his defense of sitting for 20 years in that GodDamnAmerica guy’s church and hearing nothing. If nothing else he was aware of all that was going on and participated at least in one instance we can nail him on, Rezko and the mansion. If he was so idealistic why did he not stop it or why did he not get out? There is your answer about his character. But he sold you fools something else, didn’t he? If he could not straighten out the politicians in Chicago, or help his constituents rid of this corruption, how is he going to that in Washington? He was incompetent or corrupt himself there and he does not deserve to be in Washington.

      • Loopy

        Who cares about Rezko? Big deal!

        • pm317

          Without Rezko 0bama could not have bought the mansion. Your ignorance is certainly bliss (only for you.)

          • Loopy

            Again, I say who cares about Rezko and Obama’s house? It is meaningless.

            • Touchet

              Just because you don’t hold it to be important doesn’t mean that it isn’t. If its so meaningless, why does it keep comming up? Apparently they are those who think it is.

              I will quitely await your insults.

            • Fancy

              I care.

              So does the American government, those not touched by the corruption, anyway.

              Take from it what you will.

            • stodgie

              loopy, that is dang pathetic. i’d fire your sorry self. troll? no!

        • http://noquarter MAYA

          Without Reszko Obama would not be where he is.

          • nancy sabet

            yep, without the corrupt chicago political machine baral hussien would’ve not been where he is?

      • http://truthisgold.blogspot.com truthisgold

        pm317 Absolutely. This is not over. No true criminal can ever stop breaking the law, which is why most get caught eventually. This band of corrupt Illinois thugs is no different, and, in fact, their denouement may be more imminent than we think. We can only hope…and work toward justice and the restoration of our Constitution to its former esteem.

    • RAG DOLL

      You are Loopy if you believe that crap.

      • Loopy

        Thank you!

        • Steve1

          These are the fools who scream Obama, Obama, Obama…..poor obots, they are willing to ignore the lies and distortions of the truth! So these are Barry Soetoro followers….stick their heads in the sand! Ignore all stories. Pity our country. What happen to our educational system…where are the critical thinking skills??? Billy Ayers?

          • Steve1

            Soetoro’s, happened…

    • Touchet

      This specific insert give you your evidence as to the association with Obama.

      “Harris said they could work out a deal with the union and the President-elect where SEIU could help the President-elect with Blagojevich’s appointment of Senate Candidate 1, while Blagojevich would obtain a position as the National Director of the Change to Win campaign and SEIU would get something favorable from the President-elect in the future.”

      • Loopy

        Speculation and innuedo. Does not say anything. Not very good proof. I would hope you would not get convicted for a crime based on that statement.

        • Touchet

          And what proof would be acceptable? A video of Obama saying it? Are you claiming that Harris is lying? What exactly is innuedo? What is good proof?

      • Slim Tyranny

        Note that what Harris said is speculation on HIS part, and Blago specifically states that, when it came to the appointment of Senate Candidate 1, Obama and his team was explicitly unwilling to give him anything except appreciation.

        Blago and Harris thought all sorts of great corrupt acts were possible; however, in the case of Obama, he said NO.

        Again, Obama said NO and Blago was pissed.

        • TeakWoodKite

          And that Slim is the first time, BO said no. BO has been a “yes man” all his life.

          First of all “Blago” did not have to consult anyone, but had knowledge of BO’s choice. There was communication between BO and Blago. These two morons are like peas in a pod. “what’s in it for me” is the only thing that motivates them.

          .

          • Slim Tyranny

            You have no proof that this was the first time he said no. We have one clearly documented instance, and Obama make the correct decision. Sorry if you wish it otherwise.

            Proof still counts for something, you know.

            • DeaninMi

              Proof counts for nothing with you trolls!

              Why would Blago expect a prime position on the “O” train, unless he’d already been promised a ticket?

            • Chris

              How do you know that there aren’t some parts of this record that have not been kept under wraps by the Feds? Maybe the other shoe will drop before you know it and Mr. Obama qill have a lot of “esplainin’” to do.

              • Chris

                Should be “have been kept under wraps” Sorry.

          • http://truthisgold.blogspot.com truthisgold

            Hey Teak! Wise words as always from the Kite. The big wall of sludge those guys built with lies and corruption is starting to melt in the storm of investigations connecting the dots. Fitzpatrick is amazing in his diligence for detail and his ability to conduct his investigations according to protocol. That is why he gets results.

            The only way this could be more pleasant would be for it to unfold more rapidly, leaving nothing in its wake but full jails and a once again transparent government.

        • The Flamingo Factor

          It is my contention that Obama is implicated. I believe “appreciation” is a code word meaning appointments or other favors. Blago wanted money or something bigger than their standard “appreciation” and it pissed him off that Obama, having just been elected to Prez wasn’t willing to do more than the usual. Just my two cents.

      • http://truthisgold.blogspot.com truthisgold

        Touchet, Bingo! I noted that on my blog today. And we can rest assured that THAT is a mere tip of the iceberg!

    • lark

      Loopy please if there was anything there about Obama we would not be here writing but dancing in the streets.

      • Loopy

        Exactly, I could have not said it better myself.

        Blogging about conspiracies and what ifs really does not say much… great entertainment and self flagglation, but not much value or truth.

        • Touchet

          Why? what specific thing are you talking about? You claim conspiracy but yet you give no reason why you think it is a conspiracy? A conspiracy of what?

          Above you discredit the specific thing that Harrison said and said that it was hear se. So basically you are calling Harris a liar? Are you saying that you know something that we all do not? Have you spoken with Obama? Did the Obama team say they didn’t have that conversation with Harris?

          You are the one making speculation. You claim a conspiracy and then in the same breath imply that there is some kind of conspiracy to bring Obama down.

          I don’t get it. Stop using one liners and give exact detail on what is not true and what specific evidence you have.

          I see evidence from a quote on tape of what harris said, I don’t see an rebuttal that its not true what he said about Obama’s campaign, but yet you say it isn’t, its a “conspiracy”. LOL.

          • Loopy

            Just hersay… does not stand up in a court of law. You need to get Obama saying something that is considered criminal. When you find that I will 100% support you. Otherwise all just fun and amusing speculation.

            • SN in MN

              “Hear say” wouyld be if Harris said someone told him that Ofart said it. If Harris says Ofart told him directly, it’s called “testimony”. You’re a moron and shouldn’t be bothering the grownups.

            • Slim Tyranny

              I would again point out that Harris did NOT say that Obama would engage in corruption — in actuality, Harris laid out his speculation on how the payoff could be done, and what the payoff could be. All that speculation was rendered moot when Obama and his team SPECIFICALLY declined to engage in the corruption, offering Blagovevich only “appreciation”, thus earning Blago’s ire.

              Blago says that himself, in a statement against interest — he specifically clears Obama of wrongdoing in the appointment of a replacement Senator to the empty seat.

              • TeakWoodKite

                Slim Both Obama and Blago knew there were wiretaps. There are only two ways to play the Blago “fu*k him” comment, for the benefit of the wiretap OR he is pissed and gave BO a shot across the bow.

                Either way, this will dog BO for his 4 years as SCROTUS. That must concern you.

                Obama is subject to having his closet cleaned out. And he does have alot of boneheads in there.

                • Slim Tyranny

                  haha I seriously doubt that Blagovevich at least knew about the wiretaps. Otherwise he would not have openly discussed over the phone various potential corrupt acts (including, among others, getting the Chicago Tribune’s editorial board fired in exchange for state financial assistance to the Tribune ownership).

                  Obama acted ethically, I’m sorry that somehow disappoints you.

                  • DeaninMi

                    “Obama acted ethically”

                    There’s a first time for everyting, I guess.

                    It sounds like Pres-Select O is trying to dodge, to me.

                    • Ferd Berfle

                      For such an alleged towering intellect, That One sure has distinct trouble with associating with the wrong sort of crowd. But we all know that he is just an innocent bystander. Yeah, right.

            • Touchet

              so that means that when the tape said that Obama would do anything special for the govenor, it was just hearsay. Nice to know you don’t believe that part as well.

            • lark

              I don’t think we are interested in Obama as a person. At least I am not. I am interested in a presidency that represent me and my interests. If Obama is a mafioso, he certainly does not represent me. Okay. So this is not about a trial. This is about a sorry situation. We elected the worse person we could have for the most important job in the land. We need to know who we elected and what he brings with him to his post.

          • Margaret

            Touchet,
            the conspiracy cry is merely a scream saying “please stop thinking for yourself, please bow down before the one”

        • http://truthisgold.blogspot.com truthisgold

          The blogs are mostly fact based…for that is one of their purposes: to report all the facts that main stream media has been bribed, extorted or otherwise coopted into supressing.

    • http://truthisgold.blogspot.com truthisgold

      OMG ABSOLUTELY!! Read on! He is connected up to his sorry scrawny neck.

    • http://truthisgold.blogspot.com truthisgold

      Starting with the NPR account, http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97998307&sc=nl&cc=ph-20081209 , there are volumes of incriminating information, much of it posted and linked in this thread.

  • Sassy_2U

    “Local news reports, meanwhile, suggest that it was Obama chief-of-staff Rahm Emanuel who blew the whistle on the governor.”

    • stodgie

      just what i thought! obama wanted this guy out of play. but they didn’t consider how mad the gov might just be.

  • wodiej

    Harris said they could work out a deal with the union and the President-elect where SEIU could help the President-elect with Blagojevich’s appointment of Senate Candidate 1, while Blagojevich would obtain a position as the National Director of the Change to Win campaign and SEIU would get something favorable from the President-elect in the future.

    people are so DAMN STUPID. How much plainer is it than that that Obama is involved?? Either you can’t read, are utterly stupid or have your head so far up Obama’s ass you can’t see what is going on. In any case, you have my sympathy.

    • Slim Tyranny

      And the indictment ALSO says that Obama and his team were unwilling to give him anything for the appointment of Senate Candidate 1 other than “appreciation,” at which point Blago expressed his frustration by using the f-bomb.

      The Obama team wanted no part in a deal, and Blago’s own words provide the proof.

      • wodiej

        It says the President Elect would have given them something favorable. That sure as hell is a deal!

        • Slim Tyranny

          No it did not. It specifically said that Obama would give him nothing except appreciation. Blago himself thought that was a crappy deal, given he dropped in the f-bomb in response to the lack of corruption.

          Nice try, though.

          • Fancy

            No, you’re really not making sense, you’re not addressing the facts of the case.

            • Slim Tyranny

              I am. Blagovevich, on tape, specifically states that Obama and his team would give him nothing in exchange for appointing Senate Candidate 1 — nothing, that is, except appreciation. Blago said “fuck that” to mere gratitude in the face of Obama’s failure to engage in a corrupt quid pro quo.

              Page 8 of the indictment, it’s posting all over the internet.

      • ks

        Duh! Obama didn’t have to give Blago anything because Blago was in a bad negotiating position. Obama’s team knew that and as wodiej’s quote indicates, they wanted a part of a deal but they only wanted to “pay” cheap (ie “appreciation”).

      • ks

        Duh! Obama didn’t have to give Blago anything because Blago was in a bad negotiating position. Obama’s team knew that and as wodiej’s quote indicates, they wanted a part of a deal but they only wanted to “pay” cheaply (ie “appreciation”).

        • Slim Tyranny

          Heh, shorter ks: “Yes, you’re right, Obama refused to engage in corruption.”

          • ks

            No so Shorter Slim Tyranny: “Yes, I’m strenuosly trying to avoid the fact that my shiny new “Change you can believe in” Messiah was practicing bad old “politics as usual”.

            • Slim Tyranny

              haha Does my stating the clear fact that Obama refused to engage in corruption make you that upset?

              • ks

                You flatter yourself. I’m not upset. I’m actually laughing at you and your spin and I’m going to laughing even harder when Fitz starts passing out subpeonas to Obama staffers well into next year and the press keeps bringing it up.

                Also, I’m laughing at your attempted diversion away from the fact that Mr. Change You Can Believe In Hopey Changey was willing to get in the mud with Blago though apparently not to the point of bald corruption. According to you Obots, that kind of deal making with suspicious characters was supposed to be a thing of the past.

                • Slim Tyranny

                  How did Obama “get in the mud” with Blagovevich?

                  You do realize that Obama was an elected state senator AND elected US Senator from the state of Illinois, and Blagovevich is the current Democratic governor of that same state? I hope you realize that political interactions between a sitting Senator and sitting governor are normal.

                  He made no suspicious deals with Blagovevich; in fact, per Blagovevich’s OWN words, Obama REFUSED to engage in a corrupt act.

                  You have failed to smear Obama with the Blagovevich indictment. Better luck next time I guess.

              • Fancy

                Have you read the news reports?

                You seem not to understand the reality around you.

                • ks

                  The Obot wants to pretend that the only part of the reports on the indictment that matters is the one he’s focusing on here as part of his spin which is why he keeps reapeating it and his sad spin.

                  Notice the “normal political interactions” to try and excuse his Messiah’s rolling in the mud with the rest of the political pigs.

                  Notice how he’s still is trying to avoid the fact that the “Change Agent” Obama was willing to work a backroom deal until Blago’s brazeness went over the line.

                  Notice how he’s trying to ignore quid pro quo part by focusing on the “appreciation” part of the indictment but not the part that mentions a proposed deal.

                  All in all typical Obot troll behavior.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Slim, How much are you being paid by Obama? What state do you practice law in?

        You act like a flaming troll with the comments you are making. …always the same point. Obama’s hands are clean.
        Lord help me if you my PD. I be going to jail for sure.

        Stay tuned is all I got to say.

        • Right On

          “Stay tuned” is all we heard from you NQ-heads all during the election. You’ve been wrong on every freakin conspiracy theory you’ve tried to push. But you never admit it. You just cling like crazy to the next big thing.

          When it becomes irrefutably clear that Barack’s behavior in this Senate stuff was impeccable, you’ll be too busy shouting about [insert new conspiracy theory here].

    • lark

      people are so DAMN STUPID

      Bush spent the trillions, Obama the quadrillions. Corruption as define by Hart.

    • http://truthisgold.blogspot.com truthisgold

      wodiej, I admire your plain speech and your intelligence. Keep it up–we need you!

  • RAG DOLL

    Valerie Jarrett was the one who took herself out of the running. Obama appointed her as an advisor to him.

  • RAG DOLL

    Rush Limbaugh is saying that the reason the arrest happened today is they were getting too close to Obama and proving his involvement in all of this.

    That’s an even sadder day to think that Fitzgerald would go along with a scheme to protect Obama.
    Do you guys believe that? Oh God I pray not.
    Brian Ross of ABC supposedly broke this and he also supposedly has the Whitey tape.
    This is all just way too crazy. Not sure what I believe now.

    • samb

      BLAGOJEVICH, MAY HAVE SOMETHING ON SOMEONE IN ORDER TO BARGAIN WITH? THOSE GUY USUALLY DO.

    • lark

      Rush Limbaugh is saying that the reason the arrest happened today is they were getting too close to Obama and proving his involvement in all of this.

      I said that in a previous post in a previous thread and I don’t even know if Limbaugh is living at this time. Fitz is a human being. And he has a boss. And he has a family. Nothing is free.

      • lark

        Obviously the phone was ringing at either side.

        • lark

          And then look at it, even SCOTUS refuses to see the case. OJ wanted to rescue his pieces. Yeah. Don’t worry, O will want to rescue something himself.

      • Fancy

        I thought it was interesting, at his press conference, he said “Blago went on a political crime spree.”

        Which would seem to point to a certain urgency, given the bankruptcy of the Tribune, the sale of the Cubs, and the pure criminality involved in selling the Congressional seat.

        Maybe he felt Blago and co. were simply out of control, and called it.

    • stodgie

      they arrested him now in order to get the goods before barky becomes president. after that i’d say we have a major scandal and that not even the o worshipers can ignore in the media.

    • http://truthisgold.blogspot.com truthisgold

      Rag, I rarely believe much of what Rush says, as he is known to embellish and edit the facts to bolster his point. I do hope he’s wrong on this, and will not be at all surprised if he is. The only thing that concerns me is that these people are powerful not only in their own arrogance, but in their ability to threaten and intimidate others to do their bidding. It is my sincere hope that Fitzpatrick remains safe and immune to the usual bullying tactics employed by this bunch.

      As far as Brian Ross goes, I do not trust his employer, ABC any more than I do any of the rest of MSM. If he HAD that Whitey tape, he would surely have shown it by now. I give no credence whatsoever to anything anyone in MSM says, for it is obvious, and all the more so today after revealing the Tribune’s shenanigans with Blagojevich, that they are all pretty much bought and paid for at this point.

      Perhaps if they had adhered to their professional code of ethics and reported the truth in objective, readable terms, they would not all be sinking like the stones they are. No one reads or listens to any of them very much, nor do they believe anything they say. They deserve to sink until such time as they can resurrect their own credibility by doing their job and reporting the truth for a change. Until then–let them sink to the bottom where they belong.

  • samb

    IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME, WISH THOSE GUYS WOULD SPILL ON OBAMA , BUT I THINK IT’S TO LATE, OBAMA’S HAS HIS PEOPLE IN PLACE ALREADY, BUSH’S BOYS GOT AT LEAST TWO RESKIO AND BLAGOJEVICH.

    • http://noquarter MAYA

      Bush will be able to keep him under control.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    The idea that Blagojevich would even place the calls to Obama for favors and exchange says a lot for Obama’s complicity. Obviously, Blago thought that Obama would be a player and was at least familiar with the Chicago way of doing business.

    This whole wishful thinking on the Obots’ part that Obama is some how clean is just a farce.

    Obama an aberration in Chicago IL politics? BWAAAAHAAAA! We’ve seen nothing but corruption when it comes to Obama.

    Alice Palmer, anyone?

    Acorn, anyone?

    • pm317

      You forgot Rezko and the mansion and perhaps more.

    • Kal

      Indeed, isn’t it strange that BO made for Chg like a homing pigeon once he finished at Columbia? And then dashed right back after law school? And just so happened to know as dirty a crook as Rezko well enough that Rezko would go out of his way to meet with BO while BO was in Law II to try to hire him even before he finished school? This is not random stuff, guys!! Nor is the Ayers + MO father/ward boss etc. Davis stuff random stuff either!! BO knew what he was looking for in Chg before he even got there, and went back looking for more!!!

    • wodiej

      exactly….

    • Touchet

      Oh, but they NEVER were associated with each other. According to Obama retards, you are using guild by association. I don’t know about you, but when you fell buddy buddy enough will someone to have their number and call them on the phone asking for a “favor”, it seems you are associated with each other.

      • Slim Tyranny

        C’mon now, Obama and Blago weren’t buddies, and the president-elect (with all the appointments he or she gets to make) is the perfect target for some corrupt quid pro quo action.

        And again, how can you reconcile your theory with the fact that OBAMA DECLINED TO ENGAGE IN THE CORRUPT ACT?

        I mean, at that point, if you give Obama no credit for that, you’re made your case against him unfalsifiable.

        • Kal

          Declining to engage in one fraudulent arrangement does not prove that someone never did anything else fraudulent before — that’s the wackiest line I ever heard!!

    • Rob G in Chicago

      Obama is smarter than Blagojevich, as a politician. So is Rahm Emmanual, as his Chief of Staff. It’s hardly been a secret for the past several months that U.S. Attorney Pat Fitzgerald was going to take Blago down. Even Blago knew he was under surveillance, as he stupidly cautioned others over the phone that they should meet other “players” in person, and refrain from using the phones. He was just too stupid to follow his own advice. If Rahm Emmanual was the person who dropped the dime on Blago, it was just to get the guy off the streets before his big stupid mouth brought everyone down.

    • http://truthisgold.blogspot.com truthisgold

      Buzz, AMEN! Anyone unable to connect those dots is seriously lacking.

  • RAG DOLL

    Another thought is each administration gets their own
    U.S. Attorneys, remember all of those that Bush admin fired? Perhaps Patrick Fitzgerald brought this out in the open for fear of being replaced before he could get all of the pieces to fall.

    I think Fitzgerald was appointed by Bush? Does anyone know for sure.

  • nancy sabet

    obama is part of the corrupt Chicago politics, he must have known this crook just like the others…like Resko

  • samb

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1209081rod1.html

    CHECK OUT BLAGO LANGUAGE WHEN REFERRING TO OBAMA

  • ame

    Jesse Jackson Jr. was one of the people being considered as Obama’s replacement. I wonder if this incident puts a wrench in Jackson’s plans.

    http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2008/12/rep-jesse-jacks.html

  • EWard

    This was posted on Hot Air.com

    And Michael Scherer at Time:
    That’s the reason that the fall of Gov. Rod Blagojevich is going to continue to haunt Obama, not to mention Chicago’s Democratic establishment where he built his roots. The President of the United States has a higher burden than just about any elected official anywhere. His staff will be called on by the press to account for all their conversations with Blagojevich and his aides. Obama will have to explain what he knew about these discussions. The bit players in the indictment, like the unnamed Senate Candidate 1 and Senate Candidate 5, will have to come forward and explain their involvement. If the investigation continues into next year, which seems likely, there may even be calls for the appointment of something like an independent counsel at the Justice Department to avoid any hint of political interference. Obama’s staff and political allies may be forced to get attorneys of their own.

    • ks

      Yep, excatly right. Drip…drip…drip….

      I think some of the Obots realize this which is probably why they are furiously spinning here and elsewhere.

      • Pennsylvania Red

        I don’t even know why they bother with us.

        They should be trying to convince the folks in the squishy middle – the liberal lattes. Maybe the 0b0ts can set up an 0bama defense phone bank.

        WTF happened to his great election organization? All those e-mail contacts and phone numbers. So many voters out there to harass inform convince.

    • Fancy

      Pointing out again we are at a critical moment in our country’s history, it’s so nice of the DNC to send us a man already impotent, wholly preoccupied by his own defense, now, as President.

      This affects how Obama, and therefore the US, is perceived outside the US, too, we have a broken economy, and two wars that MUST be attended to, by whom, now?

      Nothing like a hapless corrupt kook in the Presidency, and the stupid democrats who put him there ~~ we salute you.

      • stodgie

        now you know why hillary is s of s. i bet biden can barely control himself about calling his decorator with ideas for the oval office. snark!

  • Ms. Misdemeanor

    I’m speechless, but definitely amused by this turn of events.

    You Rock No Quarter!

    We read it here and in the Chicago papers first.

    PUMA!

    • Cuckoo Puff

      PUMA? Ha!

      • Kal

        PUMA!!!!

      • Donna Brazile

        Well, this is bringing out ALL the coo coo loco haters!

        Stop the hate, loco!

        • Kal

          PUMA!!!

  • mel

    Since this is all about appointments, do you folks forget that from 2001 to 2003 Obama was the Illinois Senator in charge of appointments to all State boards?

    This function was done in co-ordination with Rezko and Blago at the time.

    Also keep in mind that Blago was at all the events Auchi was honored at in Chicago, Saddam’s money bag man, the ones Obama denies being at or meeting Auchi like all the other fogotten things in Obama’s pathological lying life!

    Obama and Blago were working partners till Odumbo threw Blago under the bus, anyone think Blago won’t return the favor is dreaming!

  • Steve1

    The god-damn MSM. They knew about all of this shit, long ago and procedded to push the phony messiah as a a candidate of change! I hold them criminally responsible for propping up this myth, it was and is all smoke and mirrors! The theft of the Dem nomination fits right in with Mr. Barry Soetoro’s profile, MO! Now, NQ and those with critical thinking skills knew what was coming down the pike…Our country does not deserve this, especially during these critical times. The controlled MSM must be stopped! I’m sick and tired of their corrupt crap. It is so funny watching them report on how the far left of Dem. party is upset with “THE ONE!” Well, we told them Mr. Barry Soetoro was not his own man. The powers that be have so much crap on this controlled puppet-its not funny! His ties to the Chicago Combine are just the tip of the barrel. Let us not forget, his home pruchase from Tony Rezko, convicted felon, Auchi, convicted felon from Iraq, his campaign’s acceptance of illegal donations from Middle Eastern sources. His connection to Stuart Levine, bud for 17 yrs, donated $5,000 to Mr. Soetoro. Remember Levine, his testimony regarding the Purple Room, all week-end, all male drug and whatever parties! Uhmmmmmm, than lets not forget NE’s story, stating a source in CPD says there is a connection between Soetoro and the murder of Donald Young, gay choir director of Trinity Church and member for over twenty years. Just repeating what the story stated! Let’s not forget about that pesty Larry Sinclair, who is writing a book regarding his allegations, drugs and unsafe behavior? Lets not forget Mr. Soetoro’s own admissions regarding his drug use-uhmmmmm, wonder when those drug dealers are going to start singing like canaries? I still want to see his original BC? Where are those medical, college records?????? Barry Soetoro, the gift which keeps on giving! God Danm MSM.

    • Touchet

      Yeah but they didn’t have a tape of the govenor saying Obama wouldn’t participate in the shadiness. Once they got that, it was all clear sailing. Now Obama has immunized himself.

      • Fancy

        One would think, logically, IF Rezko implicated him, Obama is also “a man on tape.”

        I guess someone knows.

        We’ll see.

      • Kal

        No, that one statement does not immunize BO! If anything, it opens the door wide to asking why Blag would have even thought of asking BO to play!

  • Benjamin

    Hurry, Patrick, hurry!! I fear one of Obama’s first acts after Jan. 20th, 2009 will be to try and shut down Patrick Fitzgerald!

  • EWard

    Steve1

    Amen to your post!

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    If he tries to shut down Patrick Fitzgerald, we will all know that Obama is the dirty corrupt politician we all suspect he is.

    He will have given us reasonable proof to believe that he is nothing more than a cog in the Chicago Combine.

    I want Fitzgerald to hurry, too. But I also want the case to be ironclad enough to stick and stick hard.

  • OxyCon

    [SUSAN HERE: I NEED A LINK TO THESE QUOTES!!!!!! I NEED IT NOW!!!! e-mail me at susanunpc at gmail dot com]

    Here’s some more juicy tidbits:

    The FBI affidavit said Blagojevich had been told by an adviser “the President-elect can get ROD BLAGOJEVICH’s wife on paid corporate boards in exchange for naming the President-elect’s pick to the Senate.”

    …

    Told by two other advisers he has to “suck it up” for two years, the FBI says it heard Blagojevich complain he has to give this “motherf***er [the President-elect] his Senator. F*** him. For nothing? F*** him.”

    ==========

    Doesn’t it appear as though someone close to Obama told Blago that Obama would get Blago’s wife a cushy job in exchange for Obama’s Senate pick, if only Blago would lay low for two years, in an attempt to cover their tracks?

    It sure looks that way to me.

    • pm317

      You have a link to the FBI affidavit? Where did you see this?

    • ks

      But, but but, the Obot Slim Tyranny has been telling me all day that the only thing Blago was going to get was Obama’s “appreciation”!

      LOL!

    • Pennsylvania Red

      This is the quote I heard on the radio at lunchtime.

    • Rob G in Chicago

      From pages 63 & 64 of the FBI Affidavit:

      b. ROD BLAGOJEVICH asked what he can get from the President-elect
      for the Senate seat. ROD BLAGOJEVICH stated that Governor General Counsel believes
      the President-elect can get ROD BLAGOJEVICH’s wife on paid corporate boards in
      exchange for naming the President-elect’s pick to the Senate. Governor General Counsel
      asked, “can [the President-elect] help in the private sector. . . where it wouldn’t be tied to
      him? . . .I mean, so it wouldn’t necessarily look like one for the other.” ROD
      BLAGOJEVICH’s wife suggested during the call that she is qualified to sit on corporate
      boards and has a background in real estate and appraisals. ROD BLAGOJEVICH asked
      whether there is something that could be done with his wife’s “series 7″ license in terms of
      working out a deal for the Senate seat. ROD BLAGOJEVICH stated that he is “struggling”
      financially and does “not want to be Governor for the next two years.”
      c. ROD BLAGOJEVICH said that the consultants (Advisor B and another
      consultant are believed to be on the call at that time) are telling him that he has to “suck it
      up” for two years and do nothing and give this “motherfucker [the President-elect] his
      senator. Fuck him. For nothing? Fuck him.” ROD BLAGOJEVICH states that he will put
      64
      “[Senate Candidate 4]” in the Senate “before I just give fucking [Senate Candidate 1] a
      fucking Senate seat and I don’t get anything.” (Senate Candidate 4 is a Deputy Governor of
      the State of Illinois). ROD BLAGOJEVICH stated that he needs to find a way to take the
      “financial stress” off of his family and that his wife is as qualified or more qualified than
      another specifically named individual to sit on corporate boards. According to ROD
      BLAGOJEVICH, “the immediate challenge [is] how do we take some of the financial
      pressure off of our family.” Later in the phone call, ROD BLAGOJEVICH stated that absent
      getting something back, ROD BLAGOJEVICH will not pick Senate Candidate 1. HARRIS
      re-stated ROD BLAGOJEVICH’s thoughts that they should ask the President-elect for
      something for ROD BLAGOJEVICH’s financial security as well as maintain his political
      viability. HARRIS said they could work out a three-way deal with SEIU and the Presidentelect
      where SEIU could help the President-elect with ROD BLAGOJEVICH’s appointment
      of Senate Candidate 1 to the vacant Senate seat, ROD BLAGOJEVICH would obtain a
      position as the National Director of the Change to Win campaign, and SEIU would get
      something favorable from the President-elect in the future.
      d. One of ROD BLAGOJEVICH’s advisors said he likes the idea, it
      sounds like a good idea, but advised ROD BLAGOJEVICH to be leery of promises for
      something two years from now. ROD BLAGOJEVICH’s wife said they would take the job
      now.

      http://media.suntimes.com/images/cds/MP3/blagojevich_criminal_complaint2.pdf

    • OxyCon

      The article the quotes are culled from are from a Brian Ross article over at ABC.
      Link:
      http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=6424985

  • tillthen

    Just announced. Durbin calling for special election to fill senate seat.

  • Andy

    LisaB:

    Valerie Jarrett is “widely believed” to be “Senate Candidate 1″

    PS: How funny all the trolls come out in full force everytime a hint of BO’s troubling associations surfaces. Don’t touch the One : what will all the trolls do with their T-shirts, coins, plates, etc etc etc?

    • LisaB

      I agree. When I did the piece, I missed her.

      And yep, the trolls come out like flies at a picnic. Sheeeesh.

  • Touchet

    I said in a previous post that this would end up making Obama look good. The news and the Obama supporters have sucessfully spinned the situation to make Obama look like he was a good man and all hands off.

    In addition, another poster, rightly pointed out the bias because no one is asking the question on why the govenor thought that Obama would “do him a favor”.

    So, mission accomplished for Obama and his media. The birth certificate issue is out from under the radar, and Obama looks like a saint washed in holy water.

    Do you still think that its not all a sham?

  • Benjamin

    I think Senate Candidate No. 5 was Emil Jones, who was Obama’s Mac Daddy back in the State Senate days.

  • http://gillianboardman.wordpress.com/ gregoryp

    I hope all this means that Fitzgerald gets to stay on as a US Attorney. They just said on Fox that he was probably the one US Attorney that Obama absolutely didn’t want to keep. The analyst said this probably guarantees a re-appointment and another 4 years for Fitzgerald. All I can say is we’ll see. I am not optimistic.

  • Fae

    Praise the lord. Obama will be found out and brought down. For my boy that is an officer in the Marines and Iraq for the third time – may he finally find peace. Over seas they think Obama and the whole lot is a joke. Russia already has it in their newspaper that Obama lied about his birth certificate. And now this. I am so very ashamed to be a Democrat.

    • http://deleted Buzz Latte

      Thanks for your post, Fae.

      It is a total fallacy that Obama is loved by the country or the rest of the world.

      If the russians are reporting on the COLB issue, then what does the rest of the world think about Obama?

      Instead of appearing strong and sure, the US is looking weak with this sham and con artist parading around as “”President-(s)elect”. It’s embarrassing.

    • lark

      I think Russians and others will show this president no respect.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    Temporarily Obama may look good. But it will not stick. Obama isn’t loved by the whole country.

    Remember the story is still unfolding.

    Oops CNN is starting to dish right now.

    Obama is umming and erring right now.

    He is trying to skate out of the situation.

    • Pennsylvania Red

      Will he be holding one of his nightly pressers complete with Office of PEBO placard?

      • http://noquarter foxyladi14

        probably…ROFLMAO…

      • Ferd Berfle

        The cheap-looking PEBO placard. Where do they et this dime-store crap?

      • Ferd Berfle

        The cheap-looking PEBO placard. Where do they get this dime-store crap?

  • Diana L. C.

    I am always completely surprised that the One’s minions still come to this site. I think, if I were a psychologist, I might assume that they are nervous. They just don’t “get” why so many of us have not capitulated and haven’t yet drunk the Kool-Aid. Maybe they are a little worried that they’ve been had. So, they protest too much.

    YET…….they are also going to be the first to accuse anyone who might oppose their social/political agenda of dirty deeds.

    If this primary/general election has not taught me one other thing, it taught me this: the “powers that be” in Washigton, whether Republican or Democrat, ARE CORRUPT.

    I will never vote Party or issues again. I will vote on personal character. I have not witnessed personal character on the part of Obama yet. Pretended character, maybe, but real character would put his complete record out there for everyone to see. It would not be in the form of sugar-coated memoirs or political philosophy. It would be in the records of his schools, his previous jobs, his previous girlfriends or boyfriends, his full medical records, etc. REAL RECORDS, which we have never seen. Until he has nothing to hide anymore, I will assume he is hiding lots of stuff he doesn’t want us to see.

    So go away all you bots. I want to see comments from people who can really think for themselves.

    • Touchet

      I just think they are niave. Many of the Obama supporters have attested that they never took an interest in politics. Its like shoving a baby into a college class. They are all looking around not knowing what it going on.

      In there eyes all they see are these people trying to smear this awesome speaker. They have no idea that almost every politican is corrupt. They haven’t been in politics long enough to be let down. Once obama betrays them by not doing the things he promised, they will have absolutely no use for him. The user will be used up.

      Thats why it was a gamble for the DNC to even do what they did with Obama. After obama is gone, they won’t have those people anymore. This increase in their numbers was only because of Obama. They will remember why they never got into politics in the first place. The DNC has completely destroyed itself. In the end they will have nothing but far left liberals.

      • Liberty Belle not for Obama

        I hope you are proven correct in your prediction.

        • Publius

          As an Obot, I can tell you why I think a lot of Obama supporters come here. We come here to read because we cannot believe that there are people out there who are so filled with loathing for Obama that everything that can be mustered as an indictment against Obama’s character is pulled in. No stone is left unturned. No matter how crazy.

          But it’s not just that. I think there is something also about people who are so wrapped in a point of view that you get deeper and deeper into it, and nothing dissuades you–not facts, not reason–and it’s amazing. It’s amazing to see.

          For your theories about Obama to be correct, there had to have been a concerted effort since his birth to jimmy the system to put him where he is. But the birth certificate stuff is just a small part of it — the craziest part, but a small part.

          Because rather than the obvious possibility that the Clinton campaign simply didn’t focus on caucus results, and instead focused on primaries — and Penn and Wolfson and Ickes themselves have said there was where the mistake was made — the answer has to be that Obama “cheated” and engaged in “fraud.” Because it is inconceivable to you that Hillary could have lost. It is inconceivable that Obama could win.

          That’s why we come. we come to see how nutty it all gets. Larry lied to you with this Whitey tape thing, and you still buy it. People present goofy theories, and you buy it, so long as it is anti-Obama. It’s just amazing.

          For all the talk about Obama cultists, this place is decidedly tinfoily and single minded.

          The thing is, you will never change. None of you will ever, ever, under any circumstance, ever see even the possibility that Obama can do some good. It is an impossibility.

          You are the very definition of an echo chamber. To see it is fascinating and frustrating at the same time. We watch you for the same reason we watch Curbn Your Enthusiasm, or the UK original of the Office. Because for as bad as it is to bear, we cannot turn away.

          • http://deleted Buzz Latte

            But can you Obots honestly look at yourselves and your own foibles?

            How much corruption will it take before the new car smell dissipates from Obama?

            That fact that you quote TV show as a reference in your world tells a lot about you.

            • Slim Tyranny

              Heh, he or she didn’t actually “quote” any TV show. But whatever.

              Let’s put it this way — the Obots of the world might be just as flawed as any other group, but at least we don’t engage in wishful thinking and conspiracy theories to attack our political opponents.

              It’s the conspiracy theories that really hurt the anti-Obama cause; rather than a substantive focus on real issues, you’d rather have the ongoing drama of a birth certificate fight, and Obama’s production of a legitimate state document showing he was born in the United States cannot quell conspiracy theories involving Hawaiian state health department officials and even the members of the Supreme Court.

              I hope Obama does well for this country, and I generally agree with his policy positions, but I’m not going to take anyone seriously that believes Obama was really born in Kenya. It’s crazy talk — it’s faked moon landing territory. It’s nonsense, and it diminishes American political discussion.

              • ks

                This is simply a lie:

                “Let’s put it this way — the Obots of the world might be just as flawed as any other group, but at least we don’t engage in wishful thinking and conspiracy theories to attack our political opponents.”

                You certainly do. Baby Trig? MCain’s gonns die right now!…etc. Do I even have to mention all the craziness and unhinged mysogyny directed at Hillary Clinton and later Palin? Right, I didn’t think so. Talk about diminishing the American political discussion. Look in the mirror Obot.

                • Publius

                  Unhinged misogyny is not conspiracy theory. Hillary was treated poorly by the media toward the end of the primaries, and Obama certainly didn’t help with his “likeable enough” comment. But that does not equate, in my mind, to a conspiracy theory.

                  As for the Baby Trig stuff, I think you are hard pressed to find a lot of support for the stuff Sullivan was saying, but I never really bought A. Sullivan’s point anyway. I think that was as tinfoily as the Birth Certificate crap.

                  The difference is that the Birth Certificate crap is a repeated theme here. It’s applauded here. I don’t think there is much in the way of a cottage industry of Baby Trig stuff. Show me where I’m wrong and I will admit I am wrong.

                  As for the “McCain’s gonna die now” stuff, i don’t even know what that means.

              • http://deleted Buzz Latte

                What part of Operation Board Games is a conspiracy theory? What part of grand jury inquiries into the banking loan for Rezko and Obama property dealings are conspiracy theories?

                What part of a Rezko conviction – with Obama’s name being entered into Opening statements is a conspiracy theory?

                What part of taped evidence or a federal complaint in which Obama is named in is a conspiracy theory.

                What provable evidence do you have that Obama was indeed born in the US?

                • Publius

                  What provable evidence do you have that Obama was indeed born in the US?

                  Exhibit A of what I am talking about right there.

                  As for the Rezko stuff, I’ve read the transcripts of the testimony and the in depth investigation done by the Tribune. There’s no there there.

            • http://firefox AnnieCollier

              Buzz, I believe they come here to stay focused on the outer discussion about Obama. It distracts them from looking inside themselves to their own denial. They must continue reiterating that he’s beyond the lies, theft of the primary, etc.

              We know he didn’t plan this from birth. It’s only that he’s been so inappropriate because of his past and his record that he’s constantly trying to either justify or stonewall. Not the mark of an incorruptible, honest man.

            • Publius

              I’m not sure what that last comment meant.

              Of course I can look at Obama and his mistakes and I will be the first to pound the table when he screws up.

              Look, I’m a man with a family, kids, a career, and who grew up in a military family, bouncing around from Ohio to Virginia and back. I put myself through college and law school by working two jobs during each. I’ve been around the block, and I don’t suffer fools or take wooden nickels.

              If Obama screws the pooch, I will call him on it. But here there were a host of people talking about socialist Obama who would be this nutbag, and his appointments have been well-centered and reasonable. His campaign was efficient and well-organized, and he simply beat Hillary. I know that engenders all sorts of bile from those who supported Hillary, and that’s fine. But to take the fact of his unparalleled performance during the primaries–or, to put it bluntly, her mistakes–and use that as evidence to meanhe is the worst, most corrupt man ever to inhabit the White House is madness. It is unreasonable. It is laughable.

              I knew the second this happened this morning everyone here would be trying to tie some kind of links together between Obama and Blago. Because I knew that’s what you were looking for. Your only tool is a hammer, and this looked like just another nail to bang on.

              But I’m a reasonable guy that takes a wait and see approach to everything. Obama hasn’t fucked up in any appreciable way. When he does–and we all make mistakes–I will shout it from the rafters. But until then, this obsession you guys have with everything anti-Obama….well, it’s just off-putting. It is. You sound kind of like crazy people. And I think you know it.

              • Touchet

                Okay, I agree. The only question i have is how long? How long and at what specific date can we do an assesment of Obama?

                • http://deleted Buzz Latte

                  Your opinion is that it sounds crazy. It’s an opinion and that’s all it is.

                  So to come here and judge what people chose to discuss is inappropriate, publius.

                  If you have something noteworthy to add, please do.

                • Publius

                  Start assessing any time. But how can it be a fair assessment if it’s based on such things as birth certificates, and jumping to conclusions about this corruption and that.

                  I mean, for the love of God, the indictment came out today. And everyone here–most of whom, I would bet, have not had the chance to read the 70+ page complaint–jumped immediately to conclusions, for example, that Obama sold Blag down the river to “create distance” from himself. I mean, that dioesn’t even make sense. None of it makes sense.

                  and that’s why there’s no credibility here. It’s a conspiracy theorist haven at worst, or people willing to jump to conclusions facts be damned, at best. That’s the definition of an echo chamber. It’s very Free Republicky here. There’s no real discussion except discussion to reaffirm your suspicions. And as they are reaffirmed, they become, in your mind, fact. It has been 6 hours since this hit, and it is undoubted fact here that Obama was somehow involved up to his nipples in it.

                  How is that being reasonable, weighing facts? It’s lunacy. it’s mental masturbation. And nothing more.

                  • DeaninMi

                    You have obviously never been to Daily Kook.

                    Now THAT place has mental masturbators everywhere!

                  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

                    Still spouting your opinions,eh?

                    Not noteworthy as it doesn’t change any real knowledge base of the situation being discussed.

              • Karma

                Yeah…I heard all the same things and justifications from the Bush supporters when he was selected.

                And just for good measure.

                They always had to insult anyone who didn’t see how wonderful Bush was.

                We’ve seen this movie before….lol.

              • http://firefox AnnieCollier

                I truly do think you’d do better amongst the koolaid drunks at Huff & Puff or DK. Don’t understand why you’d waste your time here since we aren’t on the same wave length.

                It’s OK. You’ve anointed him. Plenty of time for “I told you so” later.

          • DeaninMi

            What the hell is crazy about wanting proof that a candidate for the highest office in the land is eligible for the job???

            John McCain had to show proof. Were you just as outraged then?

            Is it just me, or are the trolls becoming ever more simple minded?

            • Publius

              You don’t ask for proof. You conclude, based on thin sourcing, that he was born in Kenya or whatever, and challenge him to prove your conspiracy theories wrong.

              They did the same thing to Buzz Aldrin.

              • http://firefox AnnieCollier

                How many lawsuits does it take to make you understand that many people have been asking to see the proof? Shouldn’t be hard…or even controversial…as when JM immediately complied. Obama? Not.

          • Ferd Berfle

            Your entire post consists of hastily cobbled together generalizations that are the trademark of bots. This website, on the other hand, has many viewpoints and is not monolithic as your crock of manure posing as a comment would insinuate.

            Indeed, you sound just like the last bot that strode in here, who sounded exactly like the one before him, etc. You morons are entirely interchangeable, like all good cogs in a larger system, which in your case, happens to be corrupt beyond use.

  • JULIE

    Dear Lord, please dont let that fraud Barack Hussein Obama escape again!!

  • Touchet

    The govenor is not the govenor I knew.

    • Ferd Berfle

      I can’t wait to gear the bot’s lament, “That One isn’t the candidate we knew during the lead-up to the election”. No shit, Sherlockbots.

  • Doc99

    I’m betting Patrick Fitzgerald’s invitation to the Charlie Rose Xmas Party will be rescinded.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    Fitzgerald can be invited to my Christmas party!

    • drkate

      I’d love to see him as AG. But I guess Obama won’t be appointing him there, will he? lol. TOO close for comfort!

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    Where’s your proof of the COLB or do you just believe what you’ve been told?

    Sheesh, and the Obots are supposed to be so wise and with it.

    • Touchet

      They pretty much believe what they have been told. We all do really, if you think about it, unless each and every issue is put to the standards of a court case, you don’t really know for sure what is going on. These are the reasons i’ve hear so far for why obama has already “proved” that his colb is real.

      says they saw it it must be true.

      has it posted for everyone to see.

      And the biggest one: “he was elected president, if dont think the government (the same one that i say that bush mismanaged) has looked into whether he is qualified or not, then you must be joking yourself.”

      Obama supporters are kings of affirmations. They repeat one line fallacies over and over to themselves to convince themselves its true.

      That would be like me comming to your house and saying the secretary of state said that your child isn’t yours and we are taking it away. According the above arguments a court of law wouldn’t be needed in such a case, because the secretary of state said it was so, it must be so.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    Dang. It looks like I’m talking to myself. The post I responded to disappeared.

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    Blagojevich is one dumb bunny. Anyone would know that Barry was signalling him that if you appoint my shill to the Senate, I’ll really, really appreciate it. I’ll send so many projects to Illinois that you’ll have to have a Swiss account to hide it all after you fill up the one in the Cayman Islands. And I’ll make your wife rich too serving on corporate boards, just like MEchille. Maybe she can have MEchille’s old job at $300k. So hold on Bro, I just have to make some space between us before I start shoveling it your way.

    Stupid, arrogant and greedy.

    • stodgie

      i’ll bet obama sold him down the river as a diversion away from him.

    • beebop

      Stupid, arrogant and greedy.

      Impatient? Didn’t get his tickets to the ball? What a jackass.

  • drkate

    LisaB. Interesting ‘tidbits’ indeed! Thank you.

    I think the very fact that the exchanged involved help with the ‘president elect’ is quite interesting, and obviously implicates BO.

    Perhaps BO resigned his seat suddenly so as to permit the ‘final capturing’ of Blagojevich? Seems very brazen (and stupid) of him to be so blantantly corrupt. Did he not suspect a wire tap?

    Or maybe everyone is now ensnared to preclude any potential pardoning of people or derailing of investigations by the O. What do you think?

    • http://truthisgold.blogspot.com truthisgold

      drkate, absolutely! I think, however, that one cannot overestimate the degree of insular arrogance which permeates not just this, but any law breaking cabal. Their tactics reach far and wide to deter anyone from breaching their mandates. However, the inherent arrogance insures that, from time to time, one of them will think themselves immune from those rules [they already believe themselves to be immune from society's and American's rules] and thus trouble ensues. One can hope that the dots will connect surely and swiftly this time, and clean out this entire nest of rabid thugs from the Selectee on down.

  • mountainaires

    This is just so delicious, isn’t it? More stink from the cesspool from which Obama emerged to become President.

    • http://firefox AnnieCollier

      Apt description. My God, when you hear of all of the crooked people in Chicago…you’d almost think they were talking about San Francisco.

      • Pennsylvania Red

        Did you hear Pelousy talking about how Congress is a barbershop? They’re here to “trim” people.

        SanFran’s finest.

        • http://firefox AnnieCollier

          They have the same disease of political incest. So and so is married to his Sister who’s the Wife of that ones Uncle. And on and on it goes.

          • http://firefox AnnieCollier

            or make that the 2nd cousin of

        • http://truthisgold.blogspot.com truthisgold

          Close to “Shear”, “Shive,” and “Schrew”, isn’t it?

          ;)

  • Doc99

    Read the complaint Here.

  • DuPage County Democrat

    The Obama campaign was pushing Tammy Duckworth.

  • Doc99

    Merry Fitzmas – this could get interesting.

    Asked what contact he’d had with the governor’s office about his replacement in the Senate, President-elect Obama today said “I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening.”

    But on November 23, 2008, his senior adviser David Axelrod appeared on Fox News Chicago and said something quite different.

    While insisting that the President-elect had not expressed a favorite to replace him, and his inclination was to avoid being a “kingmaker,” Axelrod said, “I know he’s talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them.”

    http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/obama-doing-what-he-does-best-throwing-people-under-the-bus/

    • DeaninMi

      Axelrod said that???!!!

      He must be racist!!!!
      He must be a conspiracy theorist!!!

      (Help me out here, I’m not up on the current troll lingo.)

      • Steve1

        Lol, funny…but so apt—sad state of affairs!

  • Rah-Rah

    I don’t think Obama is involved in this.

    What is troubling, however, is that so many people question his involvement because it is POSSIBLE with Obama; and anyone who is not naive about him knows this to be true.

    Sadly, rather than with excitement and anticipation, THIS is the way we have to start the cycle of a new President: did he know – what did he know – was he involved – is he corrupt. And ALL because Obama has shown that he is capable of exactly this type of behavior and ANYONE who watched how he ran his primary (and senatorial race) knows this to be true…deny it all you want.

    We deserve better than having our new President enter the White House already under such scrutiny. Maybe it’s not deserved – but it is a reputation he himself has cultivated throughout his political career.

    • Ferd Berfle

      When you hide your past for no apparent reason, people start to question why. I don’t trust Shrub or Cheney because of their secretiveness and I *really* don’t trust That One for the same reason. The questions surrounding the president-elect would have been dealt with by an honest candidate long ago.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    Don’t lose sleep over it. Obama made his own troubles and the reasonable conclusion that Obama COULD be involved says volumes about him.

    He’s not a brilliant man, he’s not honest, and he’s not above corruption.

    • Ferd Berfle

      He’s not a brilliant man, he’s not honest, and he’s not above corruption.

      To which I would add that he is not above criticism, either.

    • Right On

      Ha. The only people who jump to the conclusion that “Obama could be involved” are the ones, like you, who’ve been imagining the worst about him from the beginning. This says nothing whatsoever about him. It only says something about you — and it’s not very flattering.

  • Cathy6224

    Comment by Loopy | 2008-12-09 14:43:31

    Speculation and innuedo. Does not say anything. Not very good proof. I would hope you would not get convicted for a crime based on that statement.
    ———————————————–

    And total denial is not proof of innocence either. And refusal to question and taking politicians at their word is why this country is in the mess it is in.

    It is time to question everything about someone who will be president. And it is time to question all politicians and hold them all accountable

    • DeaninMi

      I agree 100%!

      It’s time somebody held their feet to the fire. If not us, then who?

      • http://deleted Buzz Latte

        Obama’s feet are a good place to start.

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  • beaming

    Rumor is, Washington DC to be renamed New Chicago.

    • http://firefox AnnieCollier

      and vise versa.

  • Marge

    SC # 1 was Valerie Jarrett. They announced her and she withdrew from consideration, then they gave her a political job in the white House.

  • Loopy

    ha! ha!

    People that believe in conspiracies will never let go. Psychologists say that if you present a person with clear evidence that contradicts the conspiracy, they will then say that that evidence is now also part of the conspiracy. It never ends…

    The sky is blue. No the sky is not blue. Why not go outside and look for yourself. I am not going outside because someone has conspired to make the sky look blue, so it is not really blue.

  • Kal

    Actually, this is consistent with BO’s having the path cleared for him re the Ill senate by other candidate’s nasty divorce details just so happening to hit the public sphere at a sensitive time. I suspect that BO and Rahm have been working doubletime to make sure that when Blag goes down, they have a life raft or two to spin lines off of.

    Maybe they can get that great speechwriter to write a terrific fairy tale (sorry, I know that’s racist, but I am vocabulary-challenged) about how BO & Rahm ‘never knew’ that side of Blag when they ran Blag’s first campaign for him.

    No doubt they have been covering their tracks for some time. But in this kind of thing, spin and covering tracks never really quite works as well as people think it might.

    PUMA!!!

  • bart

    Particularly useless bot statement, as this post doesn’t mention PEBO except for saying his office suggested a certain person for his seat.

    But, thanks for playing!

  • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

    Butthole troll…I personally don’t need this to know what a criminal Fraudbama is. Now where IS that pesky BIRTH CERTIFICATE? Right there is a major criminal act against this country. FRAUD.

  • SN in MN

    Wasn’t Osama a co-chair of a (re)election commitee?

  • ks

    You Obots are funny. Trying to madly spin yet another dubious association and situation away from Obama. It’s lame but does provide a few laughs. Carry on….

  • Touchet

    What evidence do you have to disprove the claim?

  • lark

    Loopy I name you my designated payee. Pay my share on income taxes for your beloved to screw me.

  • Mary Kay

    Loopy,

    Nobody is saying the Feds are making any allegations against Obama right now. We are simply saying that there is enough evidence out there that this may very well lead to Obama at some point, and don’t be surprised if it does.

    Look, I don’t work for the Feds and obviously you don’t either, so I have no earthly idea what they know or don’t know at this point, and any Fed deserving of his or her job would not likely tip his or her hat at this point. Seriously, what did you expect them to say? “Oh, and by the way, we’re investigating ties to the President-elect and we’ll let you know if we find anything.” Right….

    You’ve got to admit, there is a suspicious path of associates that lead right to Obama’s door, and I think that any reasonable, honest, open-minded person would question whether or not there is a connection of any kind… We can all hope that we’re wrong. Nobody here wants our country or our president to fail. Many of us just don’t like or trust the man very much, but that’s not the point. Before you start labeling people as “conspiracy theorists,” maybe you should ask that same psychologist to define denial. It’s great to admire and respect a politician, but at the end of the day, they are just that; politicians. Nobody gets to that level in government without having done something unsavory in their careers. Obama is no different.

  • Steve1

    Loopy…typical Soetoro-Obama bullshit, you guys used these same tactics during the Dem primaries, its getting tired, people are starting not to believe…just look at Daily Kos and the far loony left, they are starting to turn on “the one!”

  • Slim Tyranny

    haha “dubious association” — yes, how DARE Obama ever interact with the Governor of his own state! Shocking development!

    You DO realize the spin is coming from your side when anti-Obama folks try and claim this Blago indictment is indicative of corruption by Obama, EVEN WHEN the indictment itself has Blago pissed off about Obama not being willing to engage in corrupt quid pro quo activities?

    There is no dubious situation here for Obama — that’s just wishful thinking on your part.

  • lark

    I suspect that BO and Rahm have been working doubletime to make sure that when Blag goes down, they have a life raft or two to spin lines off of.

    Ain’t that the truth.

  • Fancy

    Maybe they can get that great speechwriter to write a terrific fairy tale

    Bababooie?

    I don’t think that will happen.

  • ks

    Very weak effort Obot. Yeah, Blago was just a gov who only became corrupt once Obama’s Senate seat was up for grabs. I’m sure he was a pure as the driven snow before then.

    Anyway, the quote you’re using as your crutch only indicates that the Obama team wasn’t willing to pay Blago’s price for the seat. They certainly wanted to do a deal but wanted to get off cheap (“appreciation”). IOW, they wanted to play but not pay hence Blago’s MF bombs toward Obama. Hope you’re enjoying that change you can believe in.

  • ks

    Very weak effort Obot. Yeah, Blago was just a gov who only became corrupt once Obama’s Senate seat was up for grabs. I’m sure he was as pure as the driven snow before then.

    Anyway, the quote you’re using as your crutch only indicates that the Obama team wasn’t willing to pay Blago’s price for the seat. They certainly wanted to do a deal but wanted to get off cheap (“appreciation”). IOW, they wanted to play but not pay hence Blago’s MF bombs toward Obama. Hope you’re enjoying that change you can believe in.

  • Slim Tyranny

    hahaha I like how you want to hold the horrific payoff of human gratitude against the Obama team. Definitely run with that.

  • Slim Tyranny

    I mean, just being realistic here, while you may think that there is a “major criminal act against this country” going on right now, not a single member of the judiciary, at any level of the court system, agrees with you. Consider the possibility that the lack of merit this claim has in our court system indicates that you are wrong on this matter. Thanks

  • Touchet

    Yes and we all know that these congressmen and woman, while handing out trillions to big business, are at the very least, so up on current events that they just when and how to handle a “crisis”. LOL you are using a call to authority here. Doesn’t disprove anything.

  • Fancy

    Well, Fitzgerald.

    Honestly, sometimes you strike me as being removed from reality.

  • Loopy

    It is all a conspiracy. In fact the 67 million people that voted for Obama all conspired to get him elected.

    This will go on and on for the next four or eight years. Every little thing these people will jump on. Obama did not tie his shoes, he should not be president.

    At some point this will get very old and people will stop coming to this website. It will just be the same 100 people whispering in each others ears.

    I am sure many of these people just stood by and watched George Bush wreck this country. I hope you do not lose your job in the Bush recession. I suppose you will be crying because you did not have your savior and economic powerhouse John McCain around to fix your economy.

  • Rob G in Chicago

    Slim:

    These cases aren’t being dismissed on the merits. The merits aren’t even discussed. They are being dismissed on “standing” issues, which suggests that the election process needs to be changed so that constitutional issues of citizenship must be resolved before a candidate is permitted to appear on a primary ballot, since there is no standing of any citizen to challenge this issue otherwise. That the cases went as far as they did suggests that they were taken seriously. I don’t remember Hawaiian officials verifying the accuracy of the information appearing on Obama’s birth certificate, only that there was a certificate on file, and it appeared to be an official certificate, but we know that the government could never make an error in a birth certificate, and that no one has ever had to go to court to correct an incorrect birth record.

  • MsSoAnd So

    The content of the birth cert lawsuits are not what is being dismissed. It is the legal right of the petitioners to bring the suit to the courts.

  • ks

    No need for me to do anything. I’ll just sit back and watch the subpeonas fly and then I suspect we’ll find out what “appreciation” really meant. Pass the popcorn.

  • Touchet

    Loopy claims that this “path to all his shady associates” is just heresay and calls us conspiracy freaks. We are making it all up to bring obama down. but thats not a conspiracy its self, its just the truth, that one.

    Its only a conspiracy when it doesn’t fit his version of reality.

  • Slim Tyranny

    You don’t actually believe that Blago was pissed that he was getting nothing except “appreciation”, yet appreciation was a good thing (i.e. bride)?

    I mean, that’s ridiculous in the context of the sentence, you get that right?

    So weird.

  • Slim Tyranny

    Heh, given that there is no proof of “a major criminal act,” and the judiciary hasn’t moved on it, and federal prosecutors haven’t moved on it, I think I’m centered on reality quite well.

    Fitzgerald has nothing to do with Obama’s birth certificate, maybe you didn’t realize this little thread warped into a conversation about the nonexistent Obama birth certificate conspiracy.

  • lark

    Weird is going to be when Obama and his Administration mimic Bush’s Administration and spend us at least 1 trillion in corruption schemes aimed at satisfying the greed of his clique of co-conspirators.

  • ks

    You’re especially being silly now. Blago was mad because he wasn’t getting what he wanted for the seat. The idea that he was mad because he was only going to get “appreciation” from Team Obama is based on your selective, but not surprising, interpretation and focus on one part of the indictment while laughingly trying to ignore this part:

    “Harris said they could work out a deal with the union and the President-elect where SEIU could help the President-elect with Blagojevich’s appointment of Senate Candidate 1, while Blagojevich would obtain a position as the National Director of the Change to Win campaign and SEIU would get something favorable from the President-elect in the future.”

    I guess we’ll find out when Blago starts singing and Fitz starts questioning Obama staffers under oath. I can wait.

  • Kal

    Right. Blag only decided to become corrupt on Nov. 5, which is why he is talking about putting himself into the senate to better fight federal criminal charges. And he hardly knew Rezko, none of Ill’s other governors have been crooks, etc.

    Somebody must be on something!!

  • Slim Tyranny

    You’re not making sense. Blago would ONLY get appreciation. What you are quoting is Harris’s speculation on what they could get — that all gets negated by the reality of the Obama team reaction — for the appointment of Senate Candidate 1, the ONLY thing Blago would get is gratitude. That’s it.

    1. Harris and Blago speculate on many different possibilities.
    2. Blago then expresses anger because Obama would give him nothing but common gratitude for appointing Candidate 1.
    3. Obama engages in no corrupt activity, per Blago’s OWN statement.

    You are ignoring the clear evidence that Blago was TOLD by the Obama campaign that he’d get NOTHING.

  • ks

    Yeah, that’s your story and you’re sticking to it. Like I said, we’ll see what the real deal is once everybody gets under oath. Again, I can wait. Btw, I notice you are ignoring the post from OxyCon below. Not a surprise.

  • DeaninMi

    “In fact the 67 million people that voted for Obama all conspired to get him elected.”

    Nope. They were bamboozled, and the kool-aid is starting to wear off all but the most hardened trolls. (Such as yourself, of course.)

  • http://truthisgold.blogspot.com truthisgold

    Ms. SoandSo and RobG, thank you for setting the record straight. Indeed, the Courts have NOT dismissed the cases on their merits: they have merely refused to HEAR them due to issues of Standing. There are other cases pending which raise different issues and thus this is FAR from “finished”. In fact, I would venture to say that it has just begun.

    That coupled with the ignominious history of association that man has exhibited [while scrubbing nearly all of his past] indicate that he is indeed at best treasonous, fraudulent and at worst is perpetrating crimes against the nation.