Comments on: Human Rights Day

By: benny

benny — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:01:51 +0000

This is the Human Rights Day. So lets stick to that. Animal rights is another discussion altogether. lol

Lots of humans across the world still dont have basic rights. Thats sad.

By: Human Rights Day : NO QUARTER

Human Rights Day : NO QUARTER — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:17:34 +0000

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By: rw

rw — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:25:09 +0000

“This issue is like the abortion debate. There will never be a clear cut answer acceptable to all”

But that is all the abortion issue is, a debate. The law IS clear cut. No consensus needs to be reached on the animal rights issue among the public, but the law needs to make it clear what their rights are and legal consequences the law carries.

By: Brian

Brian — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:08:02 +0000

The right not to be taken to a foreign country and tortured, for one.

By: Galt's Psychoanalysis

Galt's Psychoanalysis — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:04:54 +0000

Ugh.

By: Karma

Karma — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:56:59 +0000

Which right do you think will be at the top of Obama’s list to restore?

Because I don’t see Obama concerned with anyone’s rights but his own.

By: wodiej

wodiej — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:49:22 +0000

no shit

By: wodiej

wodiej — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:48:22 +0000

well the way women are treated in this country we aren’t too far above animals anyway.

By: Galt's Psychoanalysis

Galt's Psychoanalysis — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:45:18 +0000

Hey Uppity. I hear ya.

By: Uppity Woman

Uppity Woman — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:41:34 +0000

In honor of this day, Pakistan promises to delay setting any women aflame till tomorrow and Afghanistan has declared a moratorium on shooting women in the head. They will be very busy tomorrow catching up though.

By: Brian

Brian — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:03:59 +0000

Be nice to get some of those rights back after the last 8 years.

By: ipotter

ipotter — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:02:51 +0000

… gender… not that THAT will ever happen

By: Galt's Psychoanalysis

Galt's Psychoanalysis — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:01:17 +0000

I will never get over my fundamental right being taken away that my vote not be made meaningless.

By: rw

rw — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:01:04 +0000

The institution that since 1945 has had 8 secretary generals and NOT one has been a woman (over 50% of world population). No person should assume the UN is so forward thinking as to include the rest of the animal kingdom in its tenets of rights…..any time soon.

By: Galt's Psychoanalysis

Galt's Psychoanalysis — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:57:13 +0000

Regarding the question of human versus animal rights: This issue is like the abortion debate. There will never be a clear cut answer acceptable to all. This is not directed against any other comments on this thread necessarily: One major problem with combining human and animal rights is the omnivorous nature of some animal species.

Trying to combine human animal and non-human animal rights and getting agreement on who has the right to eat another is problematic at best. Those who do not eat animal flesh will be in one corner and those who are omnivores will be in the other. There are other problems with the idea of one standard of rights, but this seemed a good example.

Another is work non-human animals: how do we ask a dog if they want to be a guide animal for a blind human animal? Should we not allow this because it is exploitation? And finally, some people do not even think of human beings as animals and never will.

What do I think? As usual, my centrist values of principled compromise leading to solutions.