Comments on: AYERS VIDEO on Hardball with Chris Matthews

By: Tess

Tess — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:29:49 +0000

What is the name of David Harris’ book – is there more than one? And isn’t there some way I can buy w/amazon and make a donation to NQ?

By: xax

xax — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:23:57 +0000

You’re right they weren’t best friends. But why hang around the guy? Why?

For me, the whole Ayers things wasn’t the main issue. And I honestly don;t think it was the main issue for the McCain camp either. But what Ayers, Wright, coupled with Obama’s own policies and consquent reversals did was paint a picture of a man you’re not going to get through reading his books.

He’s a guy who may have grandiose and socialist ideas, but nothing to back it up. He’s a political opportunist who is willing to use whomever and relate to whomever to get ahead.

By: pagar

pagar — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:47:52 +0000

As a two tour Vietnam vet, my impressions of the spitting incidents against returning vets appears to be much different than some that post here. Is there video proof of the incidents? Who knows, my recollection of most of the reporters of that time were that that they were not on the side of the American military. That they would never release anything that was favorable to the Americans who fought and died for this country. It is obvious that Walter Cronkite and his friends weren’t on our side, or there would have been no reports that the Tet offensive was a victory for the North Vietnamese.
The American anti war protests were a great help to the North Vietnamese and I have no respect for any American that aided them in killing Americans by showing their support for the enemy that was killing us in Vietnam. An enemy that fought on much longer than they would have, had they not been able to count on the Anti America Americans winning their fight for them in the streets of America.

By: Galt

Galt — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:22:39 +0000

Yes ferd, makes sense. Thanks pal!

By: Ferd Berfle

Ferd Berfle — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:20:40 +0000

Galt: Good evening.

The two you mention are related, in a way. The common practice fallacy, is essentially an argument which states that a particular thing is OK since others do it. The commenter to which I responded, brought up the actions of Nixon and Johnson as some sort of justification for Ayer’s acts. What Johnson and Nixon did are entirely irrelevant to Ayers. It is the same tired reasoning used by bots of all ilks to justify That One’s campaign.

Moral equivalency/relativism define the commenter’s value system, which leads to his fallacious argument.

I hope that makes sense.

By: Ferd Berfle

Ferd Berfle — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:20:12 +0000

Galt: Goof evening.

Moral equivalency/relativism define the commenter’s value system, which leads to his fallacious argument.

I hope that makes sense.

By: caffinequeen

caffinequeen — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:11:35 +0000

Exactly oowawa! Words of truth. Though I kinda doubt Blubber will understand the concept. They never do.

By: Galt

Galt — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:11:32 +0000

Hey ferd, do you consider “common practice” the same is “moral equivalency” or “moral relativism?” All these practices are not only weak arguments but are also morally bankrupt, in my opinion.

By: Ferd Berfle

Ferd Berfle — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:06:22 +0000

The fallacy of common practice, which runs through your silly comment, is no argument at all but a diversion. Nice try, bot.

By: caffinequeen

caffinequeen — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:03:27 +0000

Me too stodgie, me too!

By: skinny malinky

skinny malinky — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:02:25 +0000

Well said, Tony. If only people on this board were willing to listen to reason. But now you’re just a “Obot” in their eyes. Nice try, anyway.

By: Ferd Berfle

Ferd Berfle — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:56:26 +0000

Thank you for the comment. You are spot on.

By: Tess

Tess — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:56:09 +0000

Dingdingding – troll moving comments into nasty.

By: Tess

Tess — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:52:30 +0000

Yes – you’ve added texture to a kaleidoscopic time. How interesting that we’re still at it.
The thread about Harris just makes me so sad.
And to think we now have Ayres? Obama?
We used to have real heroes.

By: caffinequeen

caffinequeen — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:12:08 +0000

Yeah right you have no great love of Ayers or Obama yet you spend your time coming here to argue and DEFEND the asshole.Hmmm. Sounds like Obama love to me.

You won’t find many here in support of your arguments other than the trolls because we hear them every day from people such as you who claim to “have no great love” of someone they never the less spend a lot of time defending.

Was the war wrong? Of course. But protesting an unjust war is a noble and worthwhile thing, setting bombs is NOT.

Regardless of the fact that the war was wrong you don’t make it right by committing another one. How about if we tell you the standard “So what. it’s history and you need to get over it.” Likely it wouldn’t fly in your book like it doesn’t fly in ours.

As to “guilt by association” well there are many, many old, time honored and more importantly TRUE sayings that would make the opposite point here. Try birds of a feather flock together just for starters.

Show me who your friends and associates are and I can tell a lot about you because people don’t associate with people they disagree completely with. If you hang out with criminals, liars and corrupt people then you are by definition those things yourself. Otherwise you would not associate with those despicable types of people at all. Simple as that.