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		<title>By: Philip Henika</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/840/what-americans-know%e2%80%a6and-don%e2%80%99t-get/#comment-25148</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Henika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Sandy

While America loses control, the NWO gains control - thanks much for the proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Sandy</p>
<p>While America loses control, the NWO gains control &#8211; thanks much for the proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along the lines of what has been said here, this is interesting information from someone I greatly respect that you should be aware of before the next election (if there IS one and W/Darth haven&#039;t declared martial law):

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/giraldi.php?articleid=11438
August 14, 2007

 Neolibs and Neocons,
 United and Interchangeable     by Philip Giraldi 

The two leading Democratic candidates for president are undeniably Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. 

Hillary is regarded as by far the more conservative candidate in that she has carefully triangulated her potential supporters and is unwilling to say that her vote in the Senate in support of the Iraq war was a mistake. She has also positioned herself with the Israel lobby through her pledge to disarm Iran by whatever means necessary and her threat to use nuclear weapons on terrorists. Her foreign policy advisers are a who&#039;s who of neoliberal hawks, including former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, who famously believed that the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children due to sanctions was &quot;worth it.&quot; Clinton is also being advised by Richard Holbrooke, who is reported to be close to Paul Wolfowitz. Holbrooke is a possible candidate for secretary of state if Clinton is elected president. Holbrooke has been a supporter of the Iraq war, and he was an architect of the 1999 bombing of Serbia. Strobe Talbott, who advised Bill Clinton and was also involved with the bombing of Serbia, is reported to be another Hillary adviser.

Barack Obama is somewhat more enigmatic, but his recent ill-advised pledge to attack Pakistan if Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf does not do something about the Taliban and al-Qaeda shows that he is working hard to catch up. Obama&#039;s key advisers who speak for him on foreign policy include Gregory Craig, Anthony Lake, and Samantha Power. Craig is a leading Washington lawyer who was a White House special counsel under Bill Clinton and defended the president in his impeachment trial. Lake was also a Bill Clinton adviser who was involved in the Bosnian conflict. Power is an Irish-born Harvard professor from the Kennedy School who is regarded as an expert on Third World issues. None of the three is considered to be particularly partisan on any foreign policy issues but genocide, which Power has written a book about, but Obama is also accelerating his efforts to woo Jewish donors and to improve his standing with AIPAC, which has been suspicious of him because of youthful indiscretions that included expressions of sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians. He recently appointed Eric Lynn to develop an aggressive program of outreach to the Jewish community on his record of support for Israel, which he claims is unwavering. Obama fully endorsed Israel&#039;s invasion of Lebanon last year, and he has also cited his more recent sponsorship of the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act of May 2007, another irresponsible piece of legislation by Congress that will increase the suffering of the Iranian people while doing nothing to change the country&#039;s leadership. He has pledged that Iran will not be allowed to threaten Israel through its nuclear program, but he is vague on exactly what he would do to stop it....&quot;      (clip)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along the lines of what has been said here, this is interesting information from someone I greatly respect that you should be aware of before the next election (if there IS one and W/Darth haven&#8217;t declared martial law):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.antiwar.com/orig/giraldi.php?articleid=11438" rel="nofollow">http://www.antiwar.com/orig/giraldi.php?articleid=11438</a><br />
August 14, 2007</p>
<p> Neolibs and Neocons,<br />
 United and Interchangeable     by Philip Giraldi </p>
<p>The two leading Democratic candidates for president are undeniably Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. </p>
<p>Hillary is regarded as by far the more conservative candidate in that she has carefully triangulated her potential supporters and is unwilling to say that her vote in the Senate in support of the Iraq war was a mistake. She has also positioned herself with the Israel lobby through her pledge to disarm Iran by whatever means necessary and her threat to use nuclear weapons on terrorists. Her foreign policy advisers are a who&#8217;s who of neoliberal hawks, including former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, who famously believed that the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children due to sanctions was &#8220;worth it.&#8221; Clinton is also being advised by Richard Holbrooke, who is reported to be close to Paul Wolfowitz. Holbrooke is a possible candidate for secretary of state if Clinton is elected president. Holbrooke has been a supporter of the Iraq war, and he was an architect of the 1999 bombing of Serbia. Strobe Talbott, who advised Bill Clinton and was also involved with the bombing of Serbia, is reported to be another Hillary adviser.</p>
<p>Barack Obama is somewhat more enigmatic, but his recent ill-advised pledge to attack Pakistan if Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf does not do something about the Taliban and al-Qaeda shows that he is working hard to catch up. Obama&#8217;s key advisers who speak for him on foreign policy include Gregory Craig, Anthony Lake, and Samantha Power. Craig is a leading Washington lawyer who was a White House special counsel under Bill Clinton and defended the president in his impeachment trial. Lake was also a Bill Clinton adviser who was involved in the Bosnian conflict. Power is an Irish-born Harvard professor from the Kennedy School who is regarded as an expert on Third World issues. None of the three is considered to be particularly partisan on any foreign policy issues but genocide, which Power has written a book about, but Obama is also accelerating his efforts to woo Jewish donors and to improve his standing with AIPAC, which has been suspicious of him because of youthful indiscretions that included expressions of sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians. He recently appointed Eric Lynn to develop an aggressive program of outreach to the Jewish community on his record of support for Israel, which he claims is unwavering. Obama fully endorsed Israel&#8217;s invasion of Lebanon last year, and he has also cited his more recent sponsorship of the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act of May 2007, another irresponsible piece of legislation by Congress that will increase the suffering of the Iranian people while doing nothing to change the country&#8217;s leadership. He has pledged that Iran will not be allowed to threaten Israel through its nuclear program, but he is vague on exactly what he would do to stop it&#8230;.&#8221;      (clip)</p>
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		<title>By: tbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>tbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, you&#039;ll save 4% off the original price.  No?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, you&#8217;ll save 4% off the original price.  No?</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/840/what-americans-know%e2%80%a6and-don%e2%80%99t-get/#comment-24946</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama has not only said that as president he would bomb Iran, he has said he would bomb an ally, and a very fragile one at that. He said he would bomb northern Pakistan if Musharraf doesn&#039;t take care of it. Even Hillary &quot;nuke &#039;em&quot; Clinton has not suggested using military force against allies!

Obama could not have voted against invading Iraq since he was not a Senator at the time of that vote. He says he WOULD HAVE voted against it, and maybe he would, but there is no real way of knowing that for certain.

And the most disturbing thing about Obama remains his declaration that he intends to significantly enlarge the military. As I said, there is only one reason the U.S. would need a larger military, and it is not for defence or diplomacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama has not only said that as president he would bomb Iran, he has said he would bomb an ally, and a very fragile one at that. He said he would bomb northern Pakistan if Musharraf doesn&#8217;t take care of it. Even Hillary &#8220;nuke &#8216;em&#8221; Clinton has not suggested using military force against allies!</p>
<p>Obama could not have voted against invading Iraq since he was not a Senator at the time of that vote. He says he WOULD HAVE voted against it, and maybe he would, but there is no real way of knowing that for certain.</p>
<p>And the most disturbing thing about Obama remains his declaration that he intends to significantly enlarge the military. As I said, there is only one reason the U.S. would need a larger military, and it is not for defence or diplomacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Delia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw that story about the Brits from Truthout. The story came from the Independent.  I&#039;d thought the Brits weren&#039;t going to get involved in this one, so I&#039;m worried about that aspect of it. Here&#039;s a link to the full article.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2953462.ece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw that story about the Brits from Truthout. The story came from the Independent.  I&#8217;d thought the Brits weren&#8217;t going to get involved in this one, so I&#8217;m worried about that aspect of it. Here&#8217;s a link to the full article.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2953462.ece" rel="nofollow">http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2953462.ece</a></p>
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		<title>By: HoosierHoops</title>
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		<dc:creator>HoosierHoops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey shirin: how are you today?
I haven&#039;t seen that Obama is for bombing iran and he voted against Iraq..
With him in the WH and the Dems controlling Congress..I see light at the end of the Tunnel.
(hopefully it&#039;s not a train)
Great leaders do great things..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey shirin: how are you today?<br />
I haven&#8217;t seen that Obama is for bombing iran and he voted against Iraq..<br />
With him in the WH and the Dems controlling Congress..I see light at the end of the Tunnel.<br />
(hopefully it&#8217;s not a train)<br />
Great leaders do great things..</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Henika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Henika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramble...

&#039;9/11 is  an odd New Year - evaluation and retrospect
abound, yes, but where is resolution and revelation?
Revelation does not make excuses - it explains trends
- the truth in greater detail. For example, passage
through the Millennium increases the resolve of many
more extremists i.e. there are more crazies, more
individuals and hence the unchecked numbers. 

As insinuated below - America has lost control. 

What happened? 

Instead of resolve, America stood on image after 9/11
i.e. we war with Iraq not to look weak. And we
inadvertantly posited that the consideration of 9/11
as a crime and the investigation of the crime as such
was a weak response. While the opportunists have
played within globalization, America has stood still
on military might - strong yet strangely impotent. 

America needs to become a player on the world scene
not its liberator by force. Look back at the first 50
years of the 20th Century - war. In context,  I have
noticed that some have reduced the GWOT to GW. 

Perhaps an invasion by extraterrestials, or a
long-period comet or a solar storm will unify
humanity. Unifying humanity to save itself from its
own extinction does not yet seem to be  a matter of
choice and will power.&#039;


Stratfor
MORNING INTELLIGENCE BRIEF
09.12.2007
Geopolitical Diary: Washington&#039;s Loss of Control

&quot;...It has been six years since Sept. 11, 2001. We have
written an enormous amount on it and the events that
came after. It would appear that there is nothing left
to be said. But the truth is that Sept. 11 is a date
that resonates. Its vibrations continue, and they
continue to have unexpected consequences. 

Gen. David Petraeus gave his testimony this week.
Whatever one thinks of his views, it would have been a
far-fetched idea, on Sept. 10, 2001, to imagine an
Army general appearing before Congress, making the
argument that the war in Iraq is not lost, but that
given more time, it might be possible to achieve a
degree of success. 

That is what we mean by &quot;resonates.&quot; Again, without
judging the wisdom of the decisions involved, 9/11
caused U.S. forces to go to war in Afghanistan -- the
last place that anyone, on Sept. 10, would have
expected American troops to be fighting. The al Qaeda
attack caused the United States to go to war in Iraq,
where it encountered the last thing it expected: a
well-armed and capable insurgency prepared to fight
toe-to-toe with the Americans. The events of 9/11 took
an American president who had a very different idea of
what his presidency would look like, and made him
redefine that presidency in a matter of hours.
Whatever George W. Bush wanted his presidency to be,
it became something very different on 9/11. 

In thinking about 9/11, one thought keeps coming to
mind: a loss of control. On that date, everything went
out of control and in a very real sense, it has not
yet come back into control. The president&#039;s instincts
-- to increase the power of the government and strike
out at the jihadists in order to reduce risk -- did
not strike us as unreasonable at the time, nor does it
seem unreasonable even in retrospect. What strikes us
as most interesting is how the situation, taken as a
whole, has not come under control in spite of Bush&#039;s
best efforts...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramble&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8217;9/11 is  an odd New Year &#8211; evaluation and retrospect<br />
abound, yes, but where is resolution and revelation?<br />
Revelation does not make excuses &#8211; it explains trends<br />
- the truth in greater detail. For example, passage<br />
through the Millennium increases the resolve of many<br />
more extremists i.e. there are more crazies, more<br />
individuals and hence the unchecked numbers. </p>
<p>As insinuated below &#8211; America has lost control. </p>
<p>What happened? </p>
<p>Instead of resolve, America stood on image after 9/11<br />
i.e. we war with Iraq not to look weak. And we<br />
inadvertantly posited that the consideration of 9/11<br />
as a crime and the investigation of the crime as such<br />
was a weak response. While the opportunists have<br />
played within globalization, America has stood still<br />
on military might &#8211; strong yet strangely impotent. </p>
<p>America needs to become a player on the world scene<br />
not its liberator by force. Look back at the first 50<br />
years of the 20th Century &#8211; war. In context,  I have<br />
noticed that some have reduced the GWOT to GW. </p>
<p>Perhaps an invasion by extraterrestials, or a<br />
long-period comet or a solar storm will unify<br />
humanity. Unifying humanity to save itself from its<br />
own extinction does not yet seem to be  a matter of<br />
choice and will power.&#8217;</p>
<p>Stratfor<br />
MORNING INTELLIGENCE BRIEF<br />
09.12.2007<br />
Geopolitical Diary: Washington&#8217;s Loss of Control</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;It has been six years since Sept. 11, 2001. We have<br />
written an enormous amount on it and the events that<br />
came after. It would appear that there is nothing left<br />
to be said. But the truth is that Sept. 11 is a date<br />
that resonates. Its vibrations continue, and they<br />
continue to have unexpected consequences. </p>
<p>Gen. David Petraeus gave his testimony this week.<br />
Whatever one thinks of his views, it would have been a<br />
far-fetched idea, on Sept. 10, 2001, to imagine an<br />
Army general appearing before Congress, making the<br />
argument that the war in Iraq is not lost, but that<br />
given more time, it might be possible to achieve a<br />
degree of success. </p>
<p>That is what we mean by &#8220;resonates.&#8221; Again, without<br />
judging the wisdom of the decisions involved, 9/11<br />
caused U.S. forces to go to war in Afghanistan &#8212; the<br />
last place that anyone, on Sept. 10, would have<br />
expected American troops to be fighting. The al Qaeda<br />
attack caused the United States to go to war in Iraq,<br />
where it encountered the last thing it expected: a<br />
well-armed and capable insurgency prepared to fight<br />
toe-to-toe with the Americans. The events of 9/11 took<br />
an American president who had a very different idea of<br />
what his presidency would look like, and made him<br />
redefine that presidency in a matter of hours.<br />
Whatever George W. Bush wanted his presidency to be,<br />
it became something very different on 9/11. </p>
<p>In thinking about 9/11, one thought keeps coming to<br />
mind: a loss of control. On that date, everything went<br />
out of control and in a very real sense, it has not<br />
yet come back into control. The president&#8217;s instincts<br />
&#8211; to increase the power of the government and strike<br />
out at the jihadists in order to reduce risk &#8212; did<br />
not strike us as unreasonable at the time, nor does it<br />
seem unreasonable even in retrospect. What strikes us<br />
as most interesting is how the situation, taken as a<br />
whole, has not come under control in spite of Bush&#8217;s<br />
best efforts&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you would also have to include most of the Democrats, including Hillary and Obama, because they enthusiastically support the idea of bombing Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you would also have to include most of the Democrats, including Hillary and Obama, because they enthusiastically support the idea of bombing Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: P J Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>P J Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is why I&#039;m not intending to vote for either Hillary or Obama. I can&#039;t see daylight between them and the people who started this @#$%^&amp;* war.

BTW, it was pointed out at firedoglake a little earlier today that the targets the idiots in DC want to hit in Iran are &lt;em&gt;in&lt;/em&gt; Tehran, and hitting them would kill a lot of people. (One more reason to impeach them - and I &lt;em&gt;would&lt;/em&gt; include the Democrats who keep backing Bush and Cheney.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is why I&#8217;m not intending to vote for either Hillary or Obama. I can&#8217;t see daylight between them and the people who started this @#$%^&amp;* war.</p>
<p>BTW, it was pointed out at firedoglake a little earlier today that the targets the idiots in DC want to hit in Iran are <em>in</em> Tehran, and hitting them would kill a lot of people. (One more reason to impeach them &#8211; and I <em>would</em> include the Democrats who keep backing Bush and Cheney.)</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy, as I have said before, the Democrats are NOT the solution. On the contrary, they are part of the problem. There are at least two reasons for this. One is, as you pointed out, like almost every politician in history, they are at all times focused primarily on staying in power. Another is that for the most part their goals, particularly with regard to foreign policy is identical to that of the Republicans - i.e. world domination, aka building empire.

Once again, I need to point out that both Hillary and Obama have stated clearly and explicitly that they intend to significantly enlarge the military. There is only one reason the U.S. would need a larger military than it has now, and it is not in order to decrease aggression and increase the use of diplomacy. The only reason for a larger military is to leave tens of thousands of troops in Iraq indefinitely, and to continue to invade and occupy more unwilling countries. 

That one thing - the intention to increase the size of the military - should tell us everything we need to know about Hillary&#039;s or Obama&#039;s approach to foreign policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy, as I have said before, the Democrats are NOT the solution. On the contrary, they are part of the problem. There are at least two reasons for this. One is, as you pointed out, like almost every politician in history, they are at all times focused primarily on staying in power. Another is that for the most part their goals, particularly with regard to foreign policy is identical to that of the Republicans &#8211; i.e. world domination, aka building empire.</p>
<p>Once again, I need to point out that both Hillary and Obama have stated clearly and explicitly that they intend to significantly enlarge the military. There is only one reason the U.S. would need a larger military than it has now, and it is not in order to decrease aggression and increase the use of diplomacy. The only reason for a larger military is to leave tens of thousands of troops in Iraq indefinitely, and to continue to invade and occupy more unwilling countries. </p>
<p>That one thing &#8211; the intention to increase the size of the military &#8211; should tell us everything we need to know about Hillary&#8217;s or Obama&#8217;s approach to foreign policy.</p>
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		<title>By: sheerahkahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheerahkahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas, the emptying of a city, and Shirin, if you study your ancient history this is nothing new to the region. Pretentious empires have always rolled through there. Political wars are nothing new as well, nor are Religious conflagerations, there is nothing new in the Middle East, nothing.
 
Five thousand years of recorded history, Shirin, and not a damn thing has changed in the Middle East.
 
They&#039;re still killing each other with steel, stones, and fire. Granted the Steel is stronger, the stones fly faster, and the fire burns hotter, but it still the same old, same old.

You shouldn&#039;t be surprised that yet another Empire has come to the region to find it&#039;s treasure, it&#039;s wealth, and you should know that region of Middle East and it&#039;s volatile history, Shirin, it is where Empires go to die.

Take a longer view of it, Shirin, take a much longer view and you will see that another Empire will find it&#039;s end there...hopefully, it will end sooner before more people die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, the emptying of a city, and Shirin, if you study your ancient history this is nothing new to the region. Pretentious empires have always rolled through there. Political wars are nothing new as well, nor are Religious conflagerations, there is nothing new in the Middle East, nothing.</p>
<p>Five thousand years of recorded history, Shirin, and not a damn thing has changed in the Middle East.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re still killing each other with steel, stones, and fire. Granted the Steel is stronger, the stones fly faster, and the fire burns hotter, but it still the same old, same old.</p>
<p>You shouldn&#8217;t be surprised that yet another Empire has come to the region to find it&#8217;s treasure, it&#8217;s wealth, and you should know that region of Middle East and it&#8217;s volatile history, Shirin, it is where Empires go to die.</p>
<p>Take a longer view of it, Shirin, take a much longer view and you will see that another Empire will find it&#8217;s end there&#8230;hopefully, it will end sooner before more people die.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070903_the_next_quagmire/

We&#039;ve talked about this before -- the aftermath of D&amp;D bombing Iran -- Chris Hedges gives some eye-opening examples:

&quot;... The Pentagon has reportedly drawn up plans for a series of  airstrikes against 1,200 targets in Iran.  The air attacks are designed to cripple the Iranians’ military capability in three days. The Bushehr nuclear power plant, along with targets in Saghand and Yazd, the uranium enrichment facility in Natanz, a heavy-water plant and radioisotope facility in Arak, the Ardekan Nuclear Fuel Unit, and the uranium conversion facility and nuclear technology center in Isfahan, will all probably be struck by the United States and perhaps even Israeli warplanes.  The Tehran Nuclear Research Center, the Tehran molybdenum, iodine and xenon radioisotope production facility, the Tehran Jabr Ibn Hayan Multipurpose Laboratories, and the Kalaye Electric Co. in the Tehran suburbs will also most likely come under attack.

BUT THEN WHAT?  
We don’t have the troops to invade.  And we don’t have anyone minding the helm who knows the slightest thing about Persian culture or the Middle East.  There is no one in power in Washington with the empathy to get it.  We will lurch blindly into a catastrophe of our own creation. 

 It is not hard to imagine what will happen.  
Iranian Shabab-3 and Shabab-4 missiles, which cannot reach the United States, will be launched at Israel, 
as well as American military bases and the Green Zone in Baghdad.  

Expect massive American casualties, especially in Iraq, where Iranian agents and their Iraqi allies will be able to call in precise coordinates.  

The Strait of Hormuz, which is the corridor for 20 percent of the world’s oil supply, will be shut down.  

Chinese-supplied C-801 and C-802 anti-shipping missiles, mines and coastal artillery will target U.S. shipping, along with Saudi oil production and oil export centers.  
Oil prices will skyrocket to well over $4 a gallon.  
The dollar will tumble against the euro.  

Hezbollah forces in southern Lebanon, interpreting the war as an attack on all Shiites, will fire rockets into northern Israel.  
Israel, already struck by missiles from Tehran, 
will begin retaliatory raids on Lebanon and Iran.  

Pakistan, with a huge Shiite minority, will reach greater levels of instability.  The unrest could result in the overthrow of the weakened American ally President Pervez Musharraf and usher into power Islamic radicals.  

Pakistan could become the first radical Islamic state to possess a nuclear weapon.  The neat little war with Iran, which few Democrats oppose, has the potential to ignite a regional inferno. 

 We have rendered the nation deaf and dumb.
  
We no longer have the capacity for empathy.  We prefer to amuse ourselves with trivia and gossip that pass for news rather than understand.  

We are blinded by our military prowess.  

We believe that huge explosions and death are an effective form of communication.  

And the rest of the world is learning to speak our language....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070903_the_next_quagmire/" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070903_the_next_quagmire/</a></p>
<p>We&#8217;ve talked about this before &#8212; the aftermath of D&amp;D bombing Iran &#8212; Chris Hedges gives some eye-opening examples:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; The Pentagon has reportedly drawn up plans for a series of  airstrikes against 1,200 targets in Iran.  The air attacks are designed to cripple the Iranians’ military capability in three days. The Bushehr nuclear power plant, along with targets in Saghand and Yazd, the uranium enrichment facility in Natanz, a heavy-water plant and radioisotope facility in Arak, the Ardekan Nuclear Fuel Unit, and the uranium conversion facility and nuclear technology center in Isfahan, will all probably be struck by the United States and perhaps even Israeli warplanes.  The Tehran Nuclear Research Center, the Tehran molybdenum, iodine and xenon radioisotope production facility, the Tehran Jabr Ibn Hayan Multipurpose Laboratories, and the Kalaye Electric Co. in the Tehran suburbs will also most likely come under attack.</p>
<p>BUT THEN WHAT? <br />
We don’t have the troops to invade.  And we don’t have anyone minding the helm who knows the slightest thing about Persian culture or the Middle East.  There is no one in power in Washington with the empathy to get it.  We will lurch blindly into a catastrophe of our own creation. </p>
<p> It is not hard to imagine what will happen. <br />
Iranian Shabab-3 and Shabab-4 missiles, which cannot reach the United States, will be launched at Israel,<br />
as well as American military bases and the Green Zone in Baghdad.  </p>
<p>Expect massive American casualties, especially in Iraq, where Iranian agents and their Iraqi allies will be able to call in precise coordinates.  </p>
<p>The Strait of Hormuz, which is the corridor for 20 percent of the world’s oil supply, will be shut down.  </p>
<p>Chinese-supplied C-801 and C-802 anti-shipping missiles, mines and coastal artillery will target U.S. shipping, along with Saudi oil production and oil export centers. <br />
Oil prices will skyrocket to well over $4 a gallon. <br />
The dollar will tumble against the euro.  </p>
<p>Hezbollah forces in southern Lebanon, interpreting the war as an attack on all Shiites, will fire rockets into northern Israel. <br />
Israel, already struck by missiles from Tehran,<br />
will begin retaliatory raids on Lebanon and Iran.  </p>
<p>Pakistan, with a huge Shiite minority, will reach greater levels of instability.  The unrest could result in the overthrow of the weakened American ally President Pervez Musharraf and usher into power Islamic radicals.  </p>
<p>Pakistan could become the first radical Islamic state to possess a nuclear weapon.  The neat little war with Iran, which few Democrats oppose, has the potential to ignite a regional inferno. </p>
<p> We have rendered the nation deaf and dumb.<br />
 <br />
We no longer have the capacity for empathy.  We prefer to amuse ourselves with trivia and gossip that pass for news rather than understand.  </p>
<p>We are blinded by our military prowess.  </p>
<p>We believe that huge explosions and death are an effective form of communication.  </p>
<p>And the rest of the world is learning to speak our language&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hoosierhoops</title>
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		<dc:creator>hoosierhoops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this snippet in from Drudge:
RE: IRAN WAR
British forces have been sent from Basra to the volatile border with Iran amid warnings from the senior US commander in Iraq that Tehran is fomenting a &quot;proxy war&quot;.

In signs of a fast-developing confrontation, the Iranians have threatened military action in response to attacks launched from Iraqi territory while the Pentagon has announced the building of a US base and fortified checkpoints at the frontier...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this snippet in from Drudge:<br />
RE: IRAN WAR<br />
British forces have been sent from Basra to the volatile border with Iran amid warnings from the senior US commander in Iraq that Tehran is fomenting a &#8220;proxy war&#8221;.</p>
<p>In signs of a fast-developing confrontation, the Iranians have threatened military action in response to attacks launched from Iraqi territory while the Pentagon has announced the building of a US base and fortified checkpoints at the frontier&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d just like to say:   I&#039;m so glad you&#039;re here, Shirin.   Keepin&#039; it real!   The perspective and first-hand knowledge to enable us to get to the truth about what&#039;s going on in Iraq and surrounds.  Much appreciated.

The Democrats are worse than pathetic.  They are corrupt and deliberately working against doing what needs to be done.   They will have to answer, along with Dopey and Darth, whenever Iran is attacked. 

Very scary the vacuum that exists in our government today.   You&#039;d think each one (R or D) is only looking out for #1.   Sure seems that way.   Can&#039;t think of any who is more devoted to the protection of the Constitution and the rule of law than to their own future and career and image.   Sad...and sickening.   No, given the mental illnesses and complete lack of conscience on the part of Dopey and Darth....frightening!    No one&#039;s in charge!    No one to turn to.  Dr. Strangelove in charge of &quot;the football&quot;.    UNBELIEVABLE!    And, it&#039;s not a movie.    It&#039;s playing out BEFORE OUR EYES!    Surreal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d just like to say:   I&#8217;m so glad you&#8217;re here, Shirin.   Keepin&#8217; it real!   The perspective and first-hand knowledge to enable us to get to the truth about what&#8217;s going on in Iraq and surrounds.  Much appreciated.</p>
<p>The Democrats are worse than pathetic.  They are corrupt and deliberately working against doing what needs to be done.   They will have to answer, along with Dopey and Darth, whenever Iran is attacked. </p>
<p>Very scary the vacuum that exists in our government today.   You&#8217;d think each one (R or D) is only looking out for #1.   Sure seems that way.   Can&#8217;t think of any who is more devoted to the protection of the Constitution and the rule of law than to their own future and career and image.   Sad&#8230;and sickening.   No, given the mental illnesses and complete lack of conscience on the part of Dopey and Darth&#8230;.frightening!    No one&#8217;s in charge!    No one to turn to.  Dr. Strangelove in charge of &#8220;the football&#8221;.    UNBELIEVABLE!    And, it&#8217;s not a movie.    It&#8217;s playing out BEFORE OUR EYES!    Surreal.</p>
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		<title>By: hoosierhoops</title>
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		<dc:creator>hoosierhoops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.. BUSH is going to start another war..Attack Iran as larry said...
This in from Fox news:
........&quot;On the latter course, active consideration is being given as to how long it would take to degrade Iranian air defenses before American air superiority could be established and U.S. fighter jets could then begin a systematic attack on Iran&#039;s known nuclear targets.

Most relevant parties have concluded such a comprehensive attack plan would require at least a week of sustained bombing runs, and would at best set the Iranian nuclear program back a number of years — but not destroy it forever. Other considerations include the likelihood of Iranian reprisals against Tel Aviv and other Israeli population centers; and the effects on American troops in Iraq. There, officials have concluded that the Iranians are unlikely to do much more damage than they already have been able to inflict through their supply of explosives and training of insurgents in Iraq.&quot;
So...Bush isn&#039;t finished yet..and won&#039;t stop until we have WW3 started...
We bomb them..i could see Russian stepping in..we kill a couple chinese civilian contractors..China in..
BOOM!! Iran sinks a couple US warships with the silkworm missle..all out frigging war...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.. BUSH is going to start another war..Attack Iran as larry said&#8230;<br />
This in from Fox news:<br />
&#8230;&#8230;..&#8221;On the latter course, active consideration is being given as to how long it would take to degrade Iranian air defenses before American air superiority could be established and U.S. fighter jets could then begin a systematic attack on Iran&#8217;s known nuclear targets.</p>
<p>Most relevant parties have concluded such a comprehensive attack plan would require at least a week of sustained bombing runs, and would at best set the Iranian nuclear program back a number of years — but not destroy it forever. Other considerations include the likelihood of Iranian reprisals against Tel Aviv and other Israeli population centers; and the effects on American troops in Iraq. There, officials have concluded that the Iranians are unlikely to do much more damage than they already have been able to inflict through their supply of explosives and training of insurgents in Iraq.&#8221;<br />
So&#8230;Bush isn&#8217;t finished yet..and won&#8217;t stop until we have WW3 started&#8230;<br />
We bomb them..i could see Russian stepping in..we kill a couple chinese civilian contractors..China in..<br />
BOOM!! Iran sinks a couple US warships with the silkworm missle..all out frigging war&#8230;</p>
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