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The GOP’s Base Moves: It’s clear the GOP will make the most base moves to secure votes from the GOP base before the primaries. Let’s play too. TPM’s David Kurtz writes this morning: “After blocking measures on habeas corpus and Iraq yesterday, Senate Republicans will seek to condemn MoveOn’s Petraeus ad today. Sen. Barbara Boxer has proposed an alternative resolution that includes condemnations on other political attack ads, too, including on John Kerry in 2004 and Max Cleland in 2002.” (Sen. Boxer, please. For the sack of clarity and the hardest punch, just pick one. I choose the reprehensible ads comparing the Vietnam war amputee Max Cleland to bin Laden. Any mention of Kerry’s ads will reopen the Swiftboat debate and reinvigorate the GOP base.)

New Blog Feature: I asked Moses to add an e-mail subscription. It’s “RSS Subscription via Email,” in the far-right column just below “Recent Posts.” My e-mail confirmation says, “A message will be delivered to susanunpc @ gmail dot com if the publisher has produced new content on that day. No new content, no email for you.” Cool. You don’t need to register with Feedburner. Just sign up so you won’t miss our latest content.

P.S. More from Kurtz’s post at TPM:

Late Update: No word on whether there is a statute of limitations on congressional condemnation of attack ads.

Later Update: Reid and Levin to vote against GOP resolution and support Boxer alternative.

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Rant on.

Possible Topic:

I hope someone, someday, can explain to me why Sen. John Warner abandoned his fellow Virginian Jim Webb yesterday. He’d promised Webb he’d support Webb’s “Dwell Time” amendment that failed yesterday, four votes shy of succeeding.

Leslie and I had a good e-mail exchange about it. On its face, it makes no sense. I want to know what happened.

Last night’s NYT story says Warner met with “senior military officials” earlier yesterday, and that changed his mind. Who were they? What did they say? Did he tell Webb? Did he give Webb a chance to counter the “officials”?

And, as Leslie pondered in her e-mail last night, was John McCain really lying when he said, on the floor of the Senate, that Sen. John Warner was a co-author of his B.S. alternative amendment on troop rotational cycles? (McCain’s amendment was simply a restatement of current administration policy, and quite clearly a move by McCain to get in the spotlight.) On the Senate floor, Webb told McCain that Warner wasn’t a sponsor, and thereafter McCain retracted his statement. But Leslie wonders if Warner indeed had a hand in McCain’s amendment which, by the way, also failed.

I can only imagine how Webb must have felt when Warner abandoned him yesterday. Those two, from all reports I’ve seen (and I don’t read Virginia newspapers regularly), have gotten along very well, and are very deferential to each other. They cooperate. Clearly, that’s not true anymore.

From my sense of Webb, he’ll continue to try to cooperate with Warner. Because Webb is honorable. He’s respectful of both Warner’s seniority and stature, and he is cognizant that the people of Virginia are served best when their two senators work together. But yesterday’s events surely will stick in his craw.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    An e-mail from Human Rights First:

    Dear Susan,

    In a recent memo, U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker said the United States must act more quickly to help desperate Iraqi refugees find safety – “Iraqis who have put themselves and their families at risk by working with us.”

    For many Iraqi families at risk, an imminent vote in the Senate could save their lives.

    Fortunately, there is a bipartisan amendment in the Senate that will help bring some of these Iraqis—and other vulnerable Iraqi refugees—to safety in the United States.

    Already, you have made a difference in addressing this humanitarian crisis. Today 15 Senators have stepped up to cosponsor the bipartisan legislation.

    But now, the Senate is getting ready to vote on this amendment—as early as the end of this week. We expect the vote to be incredibly close. To ensure it passes, we need YOUR HELP today.

    The vote will be incredibly close. Your phone calls can make all the difference.

    Senator Cantwell
    (202) 224-3441

    Senator Murray
    (202) 224-2621

    Ask them to vote YES on the Refugee Crisis in Iraq Act.

    If you can, call your own senators too. More info: Human Rights First Web site.

    HRF provides a number of talking points. Here are a couple:

    The U.S. promised to admit 7,000 Iraqis between October 1, 2006 and September 30, 2007. To date, only 719 have been allowed to enter.

    We need a special mechanism that enables Iraqis – particularly those who have helped the U.S. – to reach safety.

  • Brenda Stewart

    Susan, I know that it is very good to work with your counterpart in the government to get things done… I know this and it is admirable, but since 1994 when the likes of Newt got his hands on us-we the people- with his vile contempt of our world, we all have been in a world of hurt both financially and morally and mentally. I feel the dems have been so outmaneuvered that they can not and will not think for themselves unless they have a wound so huge that they first have to loose a huge amount of blood over it first and then they will consider themselves wounded and have to start a new to consider themselves reborn. It is now coming to a head. They are now realizing that their counterparts of whom they thought they could cross the aisle to to get things done, has all been a charade.

    I hope they all wake up very soon to this fact and can salvage what is left of our government to make us all safe to the future of what he have known in our lifetimes as America, the beautiful, instead of America the fashistic and ruined by the republicans. The republican party has even fooled their base to this effect…They thought all along it was about god, country and mom’s apple pie. They are the ruination of our country…I think it will have to get a lot worse before it gets better….of course this is just my own opinion. I shudder to think of all that could happen before it should get better! I personally want to thank you and Larry for all that you do for us here. You both have been working in tantrum to get us to think for ourselves and to adjust to being human again….we the human of which have a brain to think with anyhow…:o) This is after all what I am online for to gather information to put together my own thoughts on how this is where I feel comfortable or opposite to live in, anyhow. A very big HUG and THANK YOU so very much for this site…Larry always remember me as one of your first supporters of knowledge, and that you are an exception to the rule.

  • Jerome

    If I were a democrat I’d ask where was anyone defending ME when I was/still am called a traitor. I would not vote at all on the Repubican bill I would just ask that question.
    Wingers get all whiny when the shoe is on the other foot. Boo Hoo Hoo.

    I loved the new MoveOn ad on CNN yesterday. ” Our President betrayed us.”

    heh

  • Brenda Stewart

    Susan, I think Sen. Webb is now just realizing he has been fooled too by this government he chose to join. He now sees through the looking glass to see the ugly truth on how his and our government is being fashioned into something that we never in a million years thought could happen. I too have been watching c-span on this debate. It is quite obvious that the reps are out to save the president and not the troops. They are out for the payback for all those years of being the loyal ones. Will t hey get it is yet to be determined. I too have to wonder like Webb. I could not for the life of me see the right in making this all a given from their POV. They just deny us all a future not just the troops.

    As far as what went down today in the senate, that just goes to show one that who they really are. They are someone whom I choose not to be affiliated with ever! They can forget about me as one of their supporters..The republicans have turned my stomach and mind against them forever. I shall not forget this!

  • Jerome

    Hey! I thought freedom wasn’t free. I am against Any Iraqi refugees. Get back there and fight for your freedom. Why do they want to leave, we aren’t going anywhere.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    “Why do they want to leave?”

    Maybe because we shocked and awed them to death, destroyed their homes, their infrastructure [electricity, clean water], and turned what’s left of Iraq into a bloody hell hole. But we protected the oil. Dunno, that might have something to do with it.

  • http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

    leslie: Hear! Hear!

    From OTB:
    First, every Democrat in the Senate supported restoring habeas, including conservative Dems from red states who are up for re-election. There is a patriotic party that’s still willing to stand up for American principles; it’s called the Democratic Party. Second, six Senate Republicans had the decency to break party ranks on the issue: Sens. Snowe (Maine), Sununu (N.H.), Specter (Pa.), Hagel (Neb.), Lugar (Ind.), and Smith (Ore.). And third, Joe Lieberman supported the Republican filibuster and voted with the GOP. What a disgrace.

    Note: Lugar voted for habeas.. I’m alittle proud of him these days…

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    You cracked me up, Jerome. Spoken like a true love-it-or-leave-it American!

  • http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

    didn’t mean to duplicate that post..

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    Hoopster,
    I deleted your duplicate comment for you.

    Susan,
    Something is slowing the blog and making it difficult to post comments?

  • http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

    Trying to follow your logic Jerome..
    first off..During WW2 there were literally millions of refuges..it didn’t mean they didn’t want freedom.. Generally when bombs are falling on your house one has a tendency to get out of town..
    and then your second post…
    ahhhh…mmmmm..
    To review:
    If I were a democrat I’d ask where was anyone defending ME when I was/still am called a traitor.

    you realize depending if you wrote that in the first or third person..it could mean the exact opposite..so to prevent any misunderstandings, i leave you with this…
    ?????????????????????????????????????
    Regards,

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    Yeah, I wasn’t going to say anything Jerome, but ditto what Hoopster said:

    ??????????????????????

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Oh, for the love of Pete. I didn’t realize those knuckleheads had already voted on the Cornball amendment. Via TPM:

    Correct me if I’m wrong here. But by my calculation, more U.S. senators (72) voted today to condemn a newspaper ad attacking Gen. Petraeus than voted yesterday (56) to lengthen the time off troops get from the frontlines in Iraq, thereby reducing individual soldiers exposure to actual attacks. Am I missing something, or is that about right?

  • Bill Keyes

    Shirin

    I posted this once before but I am not sure you saw it so I am reposting it here….

    Any thoughts??

    Thanks

    Bill Keyes

    Shirin

    You made this comment a few days ago after Bush’s “speech”..

    “And it will be, as I have always known it was, up to the Iraqis to rid themselves of the American plague once and for all.”

    First of all I agree with you and everyone else that I know that all the reasons we are in Iraq are based on lies, our foreign policy of empire building, stealing the oil, etc. However after 4+ years if anything now the stupid American people are going to swallow the “permanent enduring relationship” as outlined by Mr Evil last Thurs.

    My fear is that since the Dems appear to be buying it its almost a foregone conclusion. And if this happens the antiwar movement here will have little or no clout, drop off the news and Iraq will not be an important issue any more. Yes troops will get killed and more Iraqi’s will die but it will just be “collateral damage” as the right wingers preach.

    So it would appear to me that there is little chance that America’s imperial
    ambitions in Iraq are going to change form this side. So what does it leave?

    Exactly what you said Iraqi’s themselves may have to get rid of the American plague (I like your choice of words) and join together

    However currently this would seem to be impossible because the American military has been successful with the old “divide and conquer” strategy keeping the various sects battling each other.

    I know that this may sound like I am over simplifying the problem but if the Sunni’s and the Shia’s would ever try to sit down and resolve their differences and include the Kurds, a unified Iraq could easily throw the Americans out or at least control the American presence rather then the way it is now the other way around. Maybe in an ideal world some American troops present would be helpful but only if a unified Iraqi Government not the “puppet” was in control and asked for it as, our presence in other countries has been asked for.

    As far as I can see their has never been in four years a real attempt to form a meaningful central government. It has all be staged by the US. So if this were to happen the three sects should get together tell the Americans to go f**k themselves and form whatever government they want without ANY American involvement.

    Even though the Bushies wouldn’t like it, I would bet that every other major power in the world from the UN on down would gladly try to work out a diplomatic solution to the mess in Iraq. But it will not happen as long as the US can keep the turmoil going, and as long as the US IS the problem.

    So excuse the rambling but I really believe something like this would work especially if the rest of the world got off their fat asses and told us to go f**k ourselves instead of being afraid of us.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Here are the 25 who voted against:
    Akaka (D-HI)
    Bingaman (D-NM)
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Brown (D-OH)
    Byrd (D-WV)
    Clinton (D-NY)
    Dodd (D-CT)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Feingold (D-WI)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Kennedy (D-MA)
    Kerry (D-MA)
    Lautenberg (D-NJ)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Reid (D-NV)
    Rockefeller (D-WV)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Whitehouse (D-RI)
    Wyden (D-OR)

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    Unbelievable. I sent Cornyn an email this morning asking him where his priorities were as a member of the Armed Services Committee, told him how ridiculous his bill was, and that’s not what taxpayers expect from Congress.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    Susan,
    Webb voted for Cornyn’s bill! [Hero yesterday, ass today]
    Other Dems who voted for it:
    Feinstein
    Turncoat Lieberman
    Landrieu
    Leahy [LEAHY?!?!?]

    Half the Dems supported Cornyn and voted to condemn MoveOn. Almost all the GOP voted against Boxer’s resolution.

    TPM Election Central has the gruesome details….

    Obama missed the MoveOn vote, but voted for Boxer’s resolution.

  • Jerome

    That’s not my problem. Tell them freedom isn’t free and the US does not guarentee water or power it seems. Iraqi’s Do, and they can’t get the power back on living in a suburb in America.
    WE aren’t leaving. Get back in there and fight. Would they rather have Saddam.
    Everybody wants to come to America. Tell them to get a ticket to Mexico and walk across the damn border if they want to give up.

  • Jerome

    Well I’m Glad I made you smile. If you read what I post here it will be obvious I am for getting the hell out of Iraq and I was against it from day one. I practically live on a right wing board giving them holy Hell daily. That does not mean I agree with every little thing the left says. I call it as I see it and you will get my opinion too. I kiss no one’s ass and subscribe to no one’s ideology, only common sense.
    You are like the other wing no viable response just the personal attack. I’m used to it from both sides. rave on.

  • Jerome

    It would be nice if my responses would post.

  • Jerome

    pardon, they did. :)

  • Bill Keyes

    Another good analysis of The Good General P’s testimony…

    Petraeus Lets Slip the Ugly Truth of this War

    By Andrew Sullivan

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18419.htm

  • Jerome

    I speak pretty plainly dude. You get what I mean I’m sure.

    Are you a repubican? Using WW2 as an example. Vietnam is Way better and more accurate. The bombs are coming from their Own people mostly. Get a grip and fight for your freedom.

    again, WE AREN”T LEAVING IRAQ so I see No reason for any refugees. Who is going to be left, the people that can’t afford to leave? Yeah, that’s fair.

  • Jerome

    Go ahead, I can take it.

  • http://OUTRAGEDBUTNOTSURPRISED bama_barrron

    this is the usual outrageous bullshit of the right wing foaming set … attack the messenger while ignoring the message. if you make enough noise maybe people will forget the testimony given by this four star ass kisser was ludcrious.

    i understand how the right wing would participate in this type of noise making orewellian double speak but i sure as hell dont understand how a democrat could go along with it or how the MSM can so wistfully ignore the real story. makes me ill … i tell you!

  • http://OUTRAGEDBUTNOTSURPRISED bama_barrron

    wow … something is seriously screwed up when it comes to posting … i could die of old age … you know what i mean.

    btw … larry, i rather like this blog even if most of you are slightly too right wing … i do enjoy your authentic voice and morality.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Good god. At first, I thought you were being tongue-in-cheek. Why don’t you go over there, Jerome, and lead those Iraqis to fight for their freedom?

  • Jerome

    That was intelligent. You get that from the neocons, sounds familiar.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    That was coy of Obama. Hillary voted against Cornyn’s piece-of-junk amendment.

  • http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

    I haven’t read any personal attacks on you here jerome..Susan made an observation of your comment..and i simply couldn’t follow the logic of your posting..you also made me smile because after further review from the booth..Your comments needs further explaination. But that’s not a personal attack.
    If i was being personal I’d write something like, i think you need to put the joint down and take a nap..:)
    But seriously..we agree we shouldn’t be in Iraq
    and i appreciate your input.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    ” something is seriously screwed up when it comes to posting”

    What does that mean? Are you having a problem posting a comment?

    We added a new script this morning, and I need specifics.

  • Shirin

    Jerome, tens of thousands of them ARE fighting for their freedom. YOU call them insurgents.

  • Shirin

    Yes, Jerome, now that they have seen what Bush has done for them, they WOULD rather have Saddam. So would you in their place.

  • Jerome

    I would consider, “spoken like a true love it or leave it American” ~ Susan, a personal attack in the parlance of our time. You obviously don’t.

    Then Susan again, “why don’t You go over there and fight for their freedom”. Idiotic personal attack response.

    I rest my case.

    Y’all have fun, I just came by to get some ammo to blow them away some more on the right wing board and you all ended up getting a piece of my mind too.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    LESLIE, HOOSIERHOOPS, all:

    We just removed the new script and substitute another that should create less of a drag on the blog.

    LET ME KNOW IMMEDIATELY if that helps. Thanks. (Specifics about your experience are critical. TY!)

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    It’s possible Obama wasn’t being coy, but really missed the vote. Dunno?

  • http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

    I speak pretty plainly dude. You get what I mean I’m sure.

    Are you a repubican? Using WW2 as an example. Vietnam is Way better and more accurate. The bombs are coming from their Own people mostly. Get a grip and fight for your freedom.

    Jerome..not to worry..chill abit..
    To answer your question..No, i’m a lifelong Democrat.. And during ww2 FDR was president..
    I’m pretty sure he was a Dem. So i don’t get your point. I served in Vietnam in 71 so i doubt you have some deep insight that I can’t comprehend here..So let me spell it out..
    Civilians don’t fight wars.. they get bombed, shot at, used as shields, burned and maimed..
    Thus they run..they run like hell…and so would you.. I doubt you ( or I ) would be sitting in our bedroom window with our rifle with .50 caliber bullets coming in, Napalm bombs falling and 20 mic mic’s raking the field of battle.. They Run..so would you, so would any sane civilian…I hope i’ve made my point clearly about the life of a civilian during war.

  • http://OUTRAGEDBUTNOTSURPRISED bama_barrron

    it was taking an inordniate amount of time to complete the posting … i hope this helps

  • Jerome

    Hey, I’m all for getting the fawk out and letting THOSE PEOPLE work it out for themselves. I don’t care who they are. It is obvious they are not interested in anything we say or do. If you leave it up to me we could be out by Saturday.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    I tried Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox, but it didn’t matter. It’s been taking a long time to load comments all day. A couple of times an error message appeared, which led me to believe my comment hadn’t loaded when it had. That’s how I got duplicate comments, which were deleted later.

    It’s still taking a long time to load comments though?

    UPDATE: It just got easier to post comments. Whatever you did, Susan, it worked!

  • sheerahkahn

    Jerome,
    It’s one thing to be able to say, “you, yes, you, right there, the one with bags! Yeah you, wth do you think you’re doing? Huh, get yer ass back into the fray, sunshine! You want peace, shed your blood buddy, cause we’re shedding a lot for you!”
    It’s quite another to ask them, “why don’t you want to fight for your freedom?”

    You see, the first is a statement of action, the second is a matter of inquest.
    Asking a simple question like “why…” would mean that you can no longer make a statement of action, because you must listen to the answer.

    Now, perhaps you don’t care what the answer is, or maybe you’ve never thought about it till I brought it up, but I think if you were to make an inquest…you might find their answer plausible enough to accept.

    Not everyone is geared to kill, and sometimes a person who has killed, or seen to many people killed just walks away from it all because they’re done.

    Anyway, I would recommend that you perform an inquest, then make the call.

  • http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

    Susan: There was several reports of a wordpress Database error displayed earlier.
    It has since gone away..thanks

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    Jerome,
    Susan and I agreed to ban you because your comments don’t make sense and they’re upsetting people.

  • http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

    Well Jerome.. you go boy..go tear’em up on those right wing blogs.
    Do us proud tiger..
    And if you ever need that piece of mind of you left us returned.
    It’s right here on my desk in a jar of formaldehyde.

  • http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

    Susan:
    The blog site must be using mysql dbase.
    It is reporting posting errors..

  • Shirin

    Bill, thanks for reposting this. I did see it and planned to reply, but then it slipped my mind. I do not have time right now for a thoughtful reply. Will try later today.

  • Bill Keyes

    Shirin

    Thanks…no rush.

    Of all the people who seem to have something to say about Iraq I value your opinion the most.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    No, he was being coy. He took one of his effete positions of deciding not to participate in the vote in order not to dignify it, or something like that.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Uhoh. I haven’t gotten those error messages. Will check with the host.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    For your comment to appear? Or for you to write the comment? Not clear to me.

  • Gypsy

    Even though the Bushies wouldn’t like it, I would bet that every other major power in the world from the UN on down would gladly try to work out a diplomatic solution to the mess in Iraq. But it will not happen as long as the US can keep the turmoil going, and as long as the US IS the problem.

    My big fear has never been of the terrorist, but that we will become the Germany of the 30′s in some way like on the civil liberties and enabling act type things and become a threat to the rest of the world with this doctrine of preemption, which would seem to be illegal. It seems to me that as long as we were the shining city on the hill, we win. When we become the very thing which we seem to be fighting against we will loose on the ideas.

    Since our own Government no longer seems to feel responsible to us, and the Ideals of America, that are set forth by our Founding Fathers in the Constitution, we are betraying the sacrifices of blood that were made by men declared to be insurgents or Traitors by England but seen as Freedom Fighters by America. My heart breaks for those of us who truly do believe those ideas were amazing and important to the world, somehow I believe in the end we will win but we are in for a tough time if we can’t reign in our Government from the Right and the left. We must use our votes to fire all those who do not protect the Constitution. We must use them as long as we can but after the last 2 elections, I fear we may no longer be relevant. I am ever hopeful that the Ideals of America will win out and I always believe they will. People in every country just want to be free and as long as our foreign policy affects the lives of others we will all be in danger. We must learn to respect the rights of others and still maintain our own interest in the world. It is time to protect the interest of America and not the Corporations of America.

    When I see arguments such as this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQOhXOAYFzM
    I cannot believe the Democrats want to win since it is hard to imagine they would be so inept as to loose to this argument unless they don’t want to win or they are on the take too. It is imperative that we get campaign finance reform before it is too late and the vote is so untrustworthy that we can no longer be at all certain of results. After the last 2 elections it may already be too late.

    Thanks to Larry and Susan and Leslie and all who keep fighting the good fight. You are Patriots. I very much appreciate your posts.

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