No Fan of Bush But . . . .

It’s a sad case. I am no fan of Bush, but I am sad that the American President is held in contempt all over the world.

I am saddened and sobered. Perhaps I, too, can be a PE (President (S)Elect).

Good instincts indeed. I too admire the president’s composure.

Swing batter, batter!

A swing and a miss.

Ok, so it was a pitch, but that is what came into my head!

I heard about this incident this morning, and then a rather strained followup spiel about how the journalist was exercising his “freedom of expression.”

Well, nice to know the Iraq press has that right down. Maybe the American MSM should take some lessons.

As for Bush? His ducking talents are truly extraordinary–from bad policy to flying shoes.

He looks like he may have some experience ducking flying objects. Maybe this has happened to him a few times before.

The shoes seen around the world. Probably was able to dodge because he has had practice ducking stuff Laura has pitched.

/begin stupid joke

Somebody heard Bush needed a sole.

/end stupid joke

We all may look at the Bush years as the calm before the storm. At least we are well positioned in the heart of the middle east for the coming resource wars.

Bush’s policies are anathema to me. But he is my President. I resent that people from other countries treat him this way. And where was his protection? I wonder how many of these countries have real freedom of speech. How many allow women to speak their minds. It bugs me but good ole’ GW can stand in my batters box anytime. Go GW.

I agree, Karen.

GOD SAVE THE USA from OBAMA!

I like the way he remained cool handling it. But even more so that the journalist was smart enough to do it there and not while they were recording when Bush was on camp victory while talking to the troops. I think his speech at cv is more interesting but I am sure the MSM won’t play all of that.

In defense of the Iraqi, Bush destroyed the country, tortured, and decimated whole populations, the result of a deliberate, illegal invasion, possibly done simply to, really, steal oil.

There is a significant possibilty he may be held accountable for war crimes.

We dont’ know the half of it, even in terms of the Iraqi infrastructure being shattered, more corrupt than ever.

How would you feel if someone came into your house, doing the same?

How fuckindare they?

No. I don’t believe my eyes nor my ears nor my aching heart.

G-d(dess) Save America. The Beautiful. The Bountiful. My Home Sweet Home.

The shoes are a minor story. The real story is he had to visit Iraq unannounced. So much for the success of his policy.

At least he was able to fly into Bagdad and get to the green zone

ROFLOL: good catch Larry J. He is indeed good at ducking… seriously good for him and especially the US to keep his cool and even joke about the size of the shoe.

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I have to disagree on this one. GWB was the one who brought us the Patriot Act, which is no friend of freedom, no matter how much spin is put on it. He, like That One, is part of the problem.

LOL!

Okay, but save some blame for congress. All but one of them voted for the patriotic act, including all our Dems.

LOL MrMike

Yes, I would have freaked out if shows came flying at me.

Nevertheless, I am glad that he and his composure will no longer be in charge. (Meanwhile I do pray that what we will be getting is better.)

Fun post, Larry!

It had to be a spur of the moment thing on the part of the shoeber. If is was a conspiracy the cobblers of Iraq would have sent someone who could connect.

babamooie
I am curious. When did Bus torture, decimate the people and the country of Iraq? Now, I am not trying to start a pissing contest it’s a honest question based on how you phrased your comment. Is it possible to just lay the blame at his feet by pointing out his bad policies with evidence (that i am sure exists) without giving the impression that he sent in a hit squad to take out the people of Iraq for oil by busting through doors of peoples homes?

Three comments: 1- His reaction to the first shoe was so good it almost makes me think that he knew it was coming. 2- Had he not ducked he would have taken that shot right on the face that would have changed the news cycle! 3- I’m little surprised that his protection was not able to protect him from shoe #2.

I wonder how many folks could have thrown shoes at Saddam or his sons? Or Amadenajad? Or even at the Omessiah? That journalist should to thank W for his freedom or he would be “under the stones in the soccer field”. We take our freedom for granted. Better take care, Americans.

Okay don’t all jump on me at once….but I am not 100 percent against the patriot act, I believe it is a necessity just like I think Obama should not close Guantanamo Bay and while I am confessing I do not believe they should use our tm’s on torture. Okay I am ducking now.

Awww… give hime some credit. He’s got some good reflexes.

Hubby just said, “he did good. Yep, he’s been in bar fights. “. lol

I bet President Bush was fit to be tied after that incident.

I hope the heel who threw ‘em gets what’s coming to him.

Soldier’s right. Blame him for plain bad policy and no real exit strategy, but “decimating populations”. He’s not Hitler. I’ll give Obama and Bush the same evaluation:

They’re hearts are in the right place, but their brains went on vacation- a long vacation.

And I’m still trying to figure out where he hid all that oil he stole. Cause we were strggling for awhile with those gas prices.

Sorry. Bush is looking really good compared to what we are about to face. And I am laughing my ass off at how he handled that nutjob in Iraq with the shoes. If it happened to Fraudbama he would run and cower somewhere and call everyone a bunch of racists.

Don’t duck Soldier for Hillary. I’m with you. This freaky country is getting to the point of giving foot rubs and hot oil massages to terrorists for their effort. Makes me puke. But the good news is the terrorists all KNOW we have a pansy little puss heading to the WH who will want to guarantee that their rights aren’t infringed on after they blow us off the planet. Fun times coming folks. Fraudbama is a spineless jellyfish. I can’t wait until folks say “Ah, Bush, the good old days when we were SAFE.”

Sorry to disagree here. But secret sites where people have been tortured need to be closed. See Auschwitz and Dachau. As a Democratic Republic we’re supposed to be the people who don’t need to resort to those tactics.
Hard to tell the Egyptians, Saudis, Iranians, or even the new Iraqi government, “you can’t do that” if we’re doing it ourselves to Muslims or people from the middle east, or terrorists from any country.

As for the Patriot Act See Ben Franklin. We don’t need to give up our freedoms for security. We have plenty of federal laws and the Constitution to deal with the most heinous criminals.

Even most Democrats now agree that the round up of Japanese Americans during WWII crossed the line. After all we didn’t round up thousands of German Americans and put them in camps. What about the fact that some other Europeans collaborated with Hitler? We didn’t round up people from those countries either. We tracked them and prosecuted them as the spies they were.

I agree with Eisenhower – “beware of the military industrial complex”.

I like the way he remained cool handling it.

So do I. I was wondering how BHO would have reacted in a similar situation. According to the explanation given by a reporter of TG1 (Italian news), throwing shoes at a person means the highest demonstration of despise in that part of the world.

YOu know people think this is cute, but if you start thorwing shoes at US presidents what will they throw at the next. Nasty individulas are nasty what they will do to one they will do to one person (even if they diserve it) they will do another who may not.

I`ll bet the shoes were made in China.

I completely respect and admire all of your efforts throughout the past year+, but I’m sure that people with ill intentions aren’t “100 percent against the Patriot Act” either.

I’m no anarchist, but I do not “trust” the Government when it’s being led by the likes of George W. Bush or, now, Obama.

More power is exactly what it says…More Power.

NO thanks!

You are, of course, correct. I was just responding to the commenter calling Bush, good old GW. I had mentioned on another thread that I thought the politicians of this decade spent more time babbling about terrorism and doing nothing substantive about it while allowing the real problems to go untended. Regulatory oversight under Bush and Congressional oversight under both Republicans and Democrats was nonexistent. There is a lot of blame to go around. 535 elected officials really should have been given their pink slips this last election cycle, as far as I am concerned.

And i admire your abilibty to be and idiot vote for someone who is just like him into office. Wonder what they will do to Cheney little cousin when he finishes off what his cousins and firend only start screwing up?

He looked like he kind of enjoyed taking this guy on. He was almost laughing before the second one came flying at him. I thought he did a great job keeping his cool. Good for him He makes mistakes but he also has composure and is experienced enough to handle a lot of tough situations without coming unraveled. Where were the secret service guys anyway? Can’t believe that guy got two shoes off and thrown without being smashed to the floor. What if that had been a real weapon thrown. Yikes.

Yeah and i admire your poor judgement but hey whose counting.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. You don’t punish Americans because of the acts of a foreigner. You go after the foreigner and kill him. We did neither. We started dismantling the Constitution and let that bin Laden creature go. Instead of securing our borders in the name of security, we spied on Americans. I’m sure bin Laden is quite happy with the way things turned out. I certainly am not.

Amen. Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Obama does not h ave a heart he has a soapbox, that i would love to knock him off if i ever had the chance unfortunately only get a chance to talk to his gullible emissaries?

I thought it was disgraceful and I wouldn’t make fun of the situation. To be honest, I was shocked and disgusted and felt bad for Mr. Bush. Maybe I will miss him after all because I can’t stand the sight of BHO, not to mention his voice and the way he talks.

Maybe I read it wrong, but wasn’t the current President’s father on the Yale team? Wasn’t GWB on the cheerleading squad?

As an additional note see the Nuremberg Trials. They were conducted publicly, filmed, and the Nazis were provided with good defense attorneys.

These Nazis were responsible for the deaths of millions and they received all of the benefits of a trial conducted as it would be under a Republic with a Constitution.

The Nazis wanted The Bomb. We survived that. We can survive this without giving up who and what we are. We are not “The Homeland” . We are the United States of America.

“Perhaps this will open up a career for George Bush as spokesman for Dr. Scholl’s?”

Larry has a great sense of humor!

I was just thinking the same things. Bush was quick and composed.

Obama would still be contemplating the correct course of action 2 days after the darned thing hit him between the eyes.

I agree i never thought i could hate the site of someone more than Bush and friends, and then I met Barack Obama. Bush was stupid bubbling idiot who got a swollen head and allowed his cabinet to use the treasury as an ATM machine.

But if only i had known about Barack do as i say not as i do, i am the Messiah, the one the world has been waiting for, I don’t care if poor people freeze as long as i have a big Mansion, lie about everything even stupid stuff, inspires someone people to act like a complete idiot, lied about stop smoking, promise to bankrupt, the coal industry, clinton hating, sexist, uses black people to get what i want and then stiffs them, admires Communist China, Obama. All those years of hating bush only to find someone i loath more and before he even becomes president. BUsh at least earned my ire after he migh have stole the eleciton.

Excellent comment, candymarl. McCain siad something extraordinary during the campaign about torture. He said it wasn’t about the torture or legal proscriptions against it but about us. He was spot on and so are you.

ditto the LOL!

There are a few so-called journalists who deserve to be pelted with shoes. It might become a new fad.

I agree with Eisenhower too

and I’m a VET

Bush/Cheney (and Cabinet)
were heinous

Obama/Biden have not come close to the last 8 but have started out with as much of a bang as Bush (almost) did in 2000 when FLA and the Supremes STOLE IT FOR HIS NASTY AZZ!!

sorry Patsy we part ways here
Bush/Cheney are dumbdumb & dr evil

Obama/Biden are dr evil & dumbdumb

(it’s like a reverse universe we’ve entered)

Ah, Larry, the Dr. Scholls’s line is priceless! Love it!
Wish I could ask that reporter who threw his shoes if he ever had the opportunity to throw shoes at Saddam Hussein. You know, just a love tap for mass graves and other benefits of those days. Do you think this will start a trend at press conferences in the future? I can see the Queen of England getting really pissed and punching some London tabloid guy’s lights out.

It does not matter if you are a fan of Bush or not, what happened there was disgusting, what if it was a gun instead of a shoe and it just happened to hit the President, how many tonight would be finding humor in that incident?

I hope when Obama finds his self in the same pickle because he will, that those that found pleasure in having a good laugh at Bush, will be equally pleased if Obama ever gets the same reception from anyone, anywhere in the world.

This is no laughing matter in this day and age.
The fact that the person had time to bend down and get another shoe and throw it does not say much for the people guarding our President.

Oh PLEASE. It’s a different world than what you are discussing. And, personally, when are the liberal freaks going to care enough about AMERICA to keep us safe at any cost? I don’t owe you people to be killed, or watch my children or family members murdered because you want to be Kumbaya and make out with terrorists because it’s PC. To hell with that. If you people don’t want to protect America then move to Cuba. PERIOD.

You’re talking about Iraq. They don’t play by our rules and won’t no matter how long we stay there. The incident was not just about Bush–it was about them.

I was impressed by Bush’s duck and weave. I thought it was because of all the stuff Laura Bush and his mom and dad threw at him….

On serious note; Whatr is up with his Secert Service detail? That guy got TWO “shots” off…

KintheNorthwest…you are absolutely right. But the SAD thing was the POINT OF THIS whole conference was the peace making agreement with Iraq and the fact that Bush has been moving around Iraq freely – more freely than ever. Then this crap. Like I said, come back here in six months and tell me who you hate more…the total FRAUD or Bush. I’ll take money bets right now that people finally appreciate Bush when this country has a ground attack with nukes for the first time. If I’m still alive, I will be laughing my ASS off at the Bush haters.

Carne shooting gallery perhaps. I wonder aboout the stuffed animal prize.

i thought it was scary. that would have totally freaked me out. it was nice of the iraq leader to try to deflect the second shoe. i would probably have been on the floor.

it was weird to see the SS run into the room, from another room. the other jouranlists seemed more badass then the SS. haha

I am guessing they did some massive searches before the journalists were allowed in the room, so perhaps they thought george was safe.

but, yea… i don’ think throwing shoes at the office of the POTUS is cool.

Yup … why did the President of the United States look so vulnerable to an attack. What if the “shoe” had been more than it seemed to be? Sad day for Secret Service.

OIAF: I don’t think candymarl was saying that. I know I certainly was not. I have served this country and believe in its values. I just don’t think that torture or systematically deconstructing the Constitution for the sake of safety are part of them. The Consitution is not a piece of paper; many Americans died for it. I served to defend the Constitution and its tangible rights. Security and safety are part of that but they do not trump rights. Rights are tangible, have a unique definition, and can be taken away if we forget to be vigilant in their maintenance. Safety is intangible, meaning different things to different people. There is no right to safety or even security outside the bounds of the Constitution and its enumerated rights. My right to bear arms may cause fear in some. That’s unfortunate but is not my problem. My free speech may piss some people off but, again, that is their problem.

For us to have real security and the feeling of safety, foreign entanglements of the kind we recently engaged in that do just the opposite must stop. Real security starts with sealed borders with barriers (not panty-waist fences) to crossing. Real security starts with checking everyone at the door so to speak. Real security is not the Department of Homeland Security or the Patriot Act or spying on Americans any more than invading a country which had nothing to do with 9/11 is part of the War on Terror. We made some mistakes during the past 7 years, which must be rectified. HRC was the one to do it. That One will not. Am I worried–you bet. I am worried that the freedoms we take for granted will be taken from us because others fear.

Well, perhaps that son of a bitch should stay out of countries he destroyed in a war of aggression that he started under false pretenses. A shoe thrown (and missed) vs. hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians deaths? There is NO fucking justice in this world.

Yeah well come back and talk about that BS with us in six months.

Where was the Secret Service? He did shoe good instincts. If one of those would have hit him, he would of ended up with some facial damage. I wonder what Obama’s reflexes are like?

say xeno, are you in favor of tourching palin’s church because the lefties don’t agree with their ideas? huh? i mean how dare they disagree with you. throw a shoe at them and next week it is a fire bomb. get my meaning? i doubt it.

I’ll take ding-dong Busw over unscrupulous, scurrilous, creepy, crawly duplicitous Obama any day.

Bush at least cares about America much more than Obama

OIAF..I’m really enjoying your realistic view of the threats facing this country.
Really easy to talk about freedoms and whats just until that moment when you have no security and are faced with certain death.

Yeah, at least it wasn’t Dick doing the throwing! That would have been really bad.

Bush wasn’t dressed head to toe in blaze orange. He was safe.

Barry would have been livid!! The slightest hint of disrespect towards him and he gets belligerent. He probably would’ve been on the guy with his hands around his throat after the shoes flew by by his puny head.

Then why do we have a CZAR? A Czar for the auto industry, one for the drugs and onE for “The Bail Out”.

I mean it is getting like I need to ask, Is this Planet of the Apes II or VIII?”

Really, How many takes will it be ’till we get it right?

Look around again.

Ferd, That was well said, in a nutshell way.

I wonder what Obama’s reflexes are like?

“ahhh,,,mmmmm,,,,ahhh”…. not good.

Well sometimes it’s hard to be HERE because of the bullshite attitude to “let the Fraud see what he does.” There’s NO hope that it’s a good thing and some of us spend our days and money trying to stop it. If we are successful then I hope the cowards who switched allegiance away from AMERICA AND TOWARDS FRAUDBAMA will thank us.

I’m with you too Soldier. To heck with giving terrorists their day in court. They’re not citizens and they’re a threat and menace to this Nation. They’ve plotted and planned ways to destroy us, but we’re supposed to spend taxpayer dollars defending their evil vicious butts in court???!!!! I don’t think so. Let ‘em rot in Gitmo. They’re in there for a reason. They’re not little darlings.

be careful. it wouldn’t take much squint for a fringer to start thinking you are a terrorist. Then your going to want that day in court.

You know, it’s very easy to make assumptions like that when you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. I think the torching of Palin’s church was an atrocity, very much in line with the actions of BZero’s hopey-changey brownshirts. These are the same people who engaged in vicious intimidation through the primaries and the general election, so their violent stupidity is as unsurprising as it is disgusting.

My abhorrence for shrub’s war crimes is right in line with my disgust for whoever burned that church. However, the criminal actions of the Bush Administration have not become acceptable to me simply because I oppose 0bama. It is possible to despise both 0bama and shrub; the two things are hardly incompatible.

No worries here. I have nothing to hide. They can come in and search themselves silly.

The point is Kathy…I’m a liberal, you’re a neocon…we’re in power now…by talking against the One I think you’re a terrorist…off to gitmo with you. No rights for you! Get my point? And a hell a lot of those folks in gitmo can’t prove either way if they’re terrorists or not. At least not without a trial. Some of the biggest critics of gitmo were JAG officers. It’s a mess. I read where over 300 were released with no charges brought. If they weren’t terrorists before, they sure as hell are now. Sorry, as someone from a military family I disagree. We’re all about rules and regs. Gitmo is a blight on the American soul.

Correct Xeno. I’m sorry but true liberals do not advocate violence in any form. I’m the first person to stand up for someone’s religious beliefs even if they differ from mine. Funny thing is I’m borderline agnostic.

Ferd…It’s really simple…This country needs to protect the people who work, pay taxes and create a good life for themselves. The scum, detritus, political garbage like Fraudbama and his Chicago Toilet, etc, those are NOT American things. We NEED to go back to being what made us the most interesting, fascinating, unique, special Republic ever created. For all the liberal wing nuts who don’t understand that…LEAVE FOR GOD’S SAKE. Cuba is waiting for you. I REFUSE to let this country be taken over by FREAKS without a fight. And the Bush shit needs to stop. Or, better, I will wait until half this country is dead or critically injured from nuclear fallout on our turf. Because liberals hate America and don’t think we should DEFEND OURSELVES from our enemies. Great, then let your 7 year old DAUGHTER walk the streets that you made UNSAFE you losers. Liberals make me VOMIT. I guess they are the people who would have given head to the 9/11 terrorists just so we didn’t look not PC. WHEN OH WHEN do we DEFEND OURSELVES and the WORLD from terrorism???? Kumbaya you loser liberals. KUMBAYA. And when it’s YOUR CHILD who is running through the streets napalmed or burning up from chemical warfare, who will you blame you freaks? Bush? Will you EVER take responsibility for wanting to DISARM this country? LOL. We’re done. And we can thank Liberals.

Katrina.

Um no, I can loathe Barky as much as I loathe Bush. They’re two sides of the same coin. And this just proves how much the US and Bush are hated in Iraq. I’m just glad it was a shoe not a grenade. His SS detail needs a good asskicking.

I get your point, but I don’t know of any Americans locked up in Gitmo for speaking out against Bush. Many of them were scooped up off the battlefields and terrorist cells in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Good for you. Bush is leaving soon and Fraudbama has a long time to fuck up this country. They’re nowhere near two sides of the same coin. But you will find that out when you are either dead or critically injured because we got nuked by Fraudbama’s friend and family. What a joke. big frigging DIFFERENCE…Bush is AMERICAN and loves this country. You can say he made mistakes. Fine. I don’t agree with the wing nuts about that. But it’s a big, huge step from a mistake to sheer HATRED of America and the desire to destroy us at all costs. Give the Bush thing a rest and start focusing on preventing Fraudbama from doing anything further to destroy us.

So then all you have to be is rendered to Afghanistan of Iraq. Simple enough. It’s going to be tough explaining what you were doing there outside a court room. And then there are the confessions you’ll give when you are water boarded.

Um no again. Many were turned in by opposing warlords or neighbors with a grudge for the monetary reward. We need a way of determining who is really a terrorist. (Trial) And since we don’t know for sure who is guilty we need to make sure everyone is treated as a human being until they are tried. The military knows how to do this. It was bush and that asswipe Rumsfeld who lowered the bar.

It was a crime against humanity to promise Shock & Awe for months & months against an innocent population. They must have thought they were going to be eviscerated.

Everybody knows the US has the weapons to do this.Maybe they were releived temporarily not to be ALL wiped out.

Then it was a massive crime to ban all bath party members from their employment. It is in the Geneva Convention to assure internal functions continue. Block recriminations are surely not in the spirit nor economies of recovery.

Just as it took Americans till 2006 to finally react I see the Insurgency as a belated action against the invaders.

A shoe is a shoe is a shoe. hardly a crime of passion.

Yeah right Strawberry, you’re in power so you think there’s a PRAYER IN HELL you could come anywhere NEAR someone like me with that bullshit? ROFLMAO. Go ahead, try it. You’ll go to jail first. Don’t take your BS Dem theft for granted. You don’t get a free pass with decent Americans. That’s not how it works. I can promise you I can say whatever the fuck I want and no one comes near me. What a joke. That “power thing?” I hope the Dems don’t let that crap go to their heads. It means nothing.

Oh please. Get nuked? I’m guessing you don’t read Jane’s. Obama is a fuck up. But you really need to stop watching so many episodes of 24. The US Military is the 700 pound gorilla. And Bush loves America? No Bush loves Bush. As does Barky. And since I’m living with the after effects of Bush’s fuck up and will be for years to come I’d love to see Bush suffer half as much as those in the military.

are you starting to lose it?

Please tell me what the FUCK Bush has to do with you telling Kathyneocon that if she talks shit about Fraudbama she will be hauled to Gitmo. A little extreme, don’t you think? And not true. America thrives when it has a BACKBONE, not when liberals are telling us the terrorists should be set free to walk around in America so we look PC. Like I said, wait until it’s one of YOUR FAMILY who gets harmed by one of them. You won’t be loving terrorists so much when it hits your family. Give it up about Bush. You won’t like your life 1/10th as much with the Fraud and you won’t be safe. And don’t give me that I watch 24. I’ve never seen it. What I have done is immerse myself in politics so I can save this country, rather than just blog and be bitchy about the GOP and let the Dems have a free ride on the backs of the taxpayers.

OIAF….I was being snarky you git. Obama is NOT a liberal. God damn, all Bush supporters need to get a sarcasm transplant.

ROFLMAO…Losing it? Well I guess the fact that I don’t think anyone is going to haul me to Gitmo because I talk crap about Fraudbama…does that mean I’m losing it? I find it really hard to believe the dems will ever have that power, Pelosi or not.

calm down. It was a hypothetical. It’s always a mistake to voluntarily give up protections and rights for the others that you would want for yourself That’s because it’s only a matter of time before someone tags you as “the others” and gladly gives up for you the same thing you gladly gave up for someone else.

Strawberry…you need to chill. You have a Bush hard on that needs to go away. I didn’t vote for Bush, either time. Not that it’s any of your business. But if you are going to lie and call me a “Bush supporter” then you should know the truth. On the other hand, I find him way less offensive and detrimental to our safety and well being than Fraudbama. That just makes me smart, not a “Bush supporter.”

it’s the rambling nature and the panicked tone of your recent posts that caused the question.

Wildchild…Come on. As leftie as you are…you know better. So you are saying that we should let the terrorists run freely among us, just IN CASE someone would want to put Kathyneocon in Gitmo because she called Fraudbama a fairy? ROFLMAO. It just DOESN’T – WORK – THAT – WAY.

Well, Oiaf, when you throw out Habeas Corpus, it’s not difficult to believe that it can’t be used on political opponents as well as terrorists unless there is some oversite…that was why I freaked out when Bush did it. Because NOW Barky has the SAME power. Nice going repubs. Hillary was the only one who even addressed giving up all the executive power Bush grabbed.

That just makes me smart, not a “Bush supporter.”

how does that make you smart? Bush has a history of transgressions against the US constitution and inactions in the face of American’s in peril. BOBO hasn’t done shit yet. Perhaps it is the unknown that awaits us that is causing your hystria?

My “hystria?” I assume you mean hysteria? I’m not hysterical. But when I hear nonsense like Kathyneocon going to Gitmo because she badmouths the Fraud. ROFLMAO. When has that crap ever happened? And will you get OFF the Bush crap? How in God’s name does that have ANYTHING TO DO with this conversation? I got called a “Bush supporter” when I didn’t even vote for the guy. Hysterical? That’s you people. You can’t give either the Hillary or Bush shit enough of a rest to deal with what’s REALLY going on. You’re mired in what shit Bush was and what a disaster was done to Hillary that you can’t see the truth. Talk about the past. It’s OVER. And Fraudbama is the worst of ALL OF IT. Admit it or not. I don’t care. But please. if you’re going to call people “Bush supporters” out of your own paranoia, maybe you can check their voter registration first or something. Move off the Bush thing.

actually I’m the centerie. .Calling me a leftie only supports Strawberry’s thesis that you’re bush supporter. As does your hysterical comment (the panicked kind)that I in anyway suggested we let terrorists run freely among us while dropping Americans in gitmo for speaking out against the BOBO. As I have stated before. I’m liberal. I support the entire US constitution. That includes free speech for any under our umbrella. That includes due process for any in our custody.

WC, if Oiaf were smart, he’d realize just how badly Bush fucked up our military and our global relations. Those extremists out there don’t think in terms of months or even years but in terms of generations. We’ll be fighting the terrorists created in Iraq for decades. And Barky isn’t qualifed to fix a damn thing bush destroyed. The economy, Iraq, Afghanistan, Katrina, the privatization of the government with no accountability…Christ, I need a drink.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-12-15 00:49:22

it’s the rambling nature and the panicked tone of your recent posts that caused the question.

Uhhh…Panicked? Let’s see…the Supreme Court has been bought and paid for and won’t do their jobs. The Electors vote tomorrow, many of them KNOWING and ADMITTING that Fraudbama is a Fraud. There is turmoil in many countries across the Globe and Fraudbama will be shooting hoops while it all transpires. Hmmmm…should I be happy? On top of it all…I’m NOT a wing nut liberal, so I don’t have a dog in this race. I just love my country. Period. If that’s “hystria” to you, sorry.

ok xeno, then please stop making statement that say at least to me that throwing things at the president is ok, because it isn’t. the next thing in the air could be a bullet. i don’t take that lightly even though i don’t like bush at all.

Comment by Strawberrybitch | 2008-12-15 01:01:36

WC, if Oiaf were smart, he’d realize just how badly Bush fucked up our military and our global relations. Those extremists out there don’t think in terms of months or even years but in terms of generations. We’ll be fighting the terrorists created in Iraq for decades. And Barky isn’t qualifed to fix a damn thing bush destroyed. The economy, Iraq, Afghanistan, Katrina, the privatization of the government with no accountability…Christ, I need a drink.
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ROFLMAO…Do you not know I’m a FEMALE? for the love of God. “He?” LOL LOL LOL. Have that drink. The Dems have screwed this country as much, if not more, than Bush. Problem is that they live on the blame game. I’m all about moving forward and I’m not doing it with the Fraud if I don’t have to. That’s all I care about. And, for the lsat TIME…”He” didn’t vote for BUSH. “He” doesn’t give a damn about Bush or the mess the Dems made of America. “He” cares about getting the Fraud out of the WH as quickly as possible. Period.

Don’t bother WC, OIAF is an idiot and doesn’t get what I was saying…funny KathyNeocon did. As a liberal, I would fight just as hard keeping Kathy out of gitmo as I would anyone else, because I believe in the constituition. Not just a “Goddamned piece of paper” or a “flawed document”.

throwing that shoes says to our enemies they can throw things too. that is not a door we want opened contrary to the nasty attitude some have shown on here. i deplore that type of act. i applauded those who camped out in crawford to take bush to task for iraq. i can’t condone that ass’s behavior in throwing those shoes.

strawberry, bush fucked up badly. If what he did in his eight years is an example of what one does who loves America, then we should all go home and party because the war is over. That asshole left this country in greater shambles then any terrorist did on 9-11.

OIAF, yup, you’re posting in hysterics. Maybe it’s the strain of having to live under bush and seeing what he actually did compounded with looking into that big dark void that is the ghost of Obama’s presidential future that’s causing it. Because you’re filling up that void with all kinds of boogie men, and then freaking out about them.

Um whose been in power for the past eight years and had control of both the House and Senate during the Clinton administration? Um, that would be the republicans. And no I can’t tell your a female, but I’m sure you hear that all the time.

WC, my comments keep getting spammed, but yes, OIAF does sound a bit unhinged. He’s all yours…um she, she is all yours…yikes. And thanks for the back up. We screaming liberals with brains are getting it from all sides lately. We need to stick together. I need to hit the books, one last test before Christmas break. We’re studying weather…and it sucks. But I’m guessing you’d like me to know which clouds to avoid when I take you flying.

Good luck wing nuts. You’ll keep living this BS about Bush forever. And I hope WC calls all the families of the people who died in the Twin Towers and talks about how inconsequential they are and how our country is in “worse shape today than after 9/11.” I’m sure they’ll love hearing that. What you guys forget is that America means more than your PC wing nut rhetoric. And you can stop the repeated equating me with Bush. That’s mentally ill considering I have said forever I didn’t vote for him. Get a grip. Strawberry, what kind of WOMAN says that nonsense about another WOMAN? Hmmmm..someone who has griped and bitched about “sexism” all this time? So, now, what? Because I have strength and an opinion, I’m a MAN? Shame on YOU. You guys go read what you just wrote to me and if you think it’s okay then you know what’s wrong with this country. Two wing nuts who keep harping on me about Bush when I didn’t vote for him. And a woman who insults me, calls me a “man” because of my aggressive opinions and then acts proud about it. After all we’ve been through. Nice. But it’s you who calls yourself a “bitch” and is proud of it.

I try to avoid he ones with the lightning shooting out of them. Also I avoid the ones that seem to wispily connect with the ground. That’s rain.

We screaming liberals with brains are getting it from all sides lately. We need to stick together.

Indeed. It’s typical screaming screeching liberalism to label anyone who’s not out there on the fringe as a Bush supporter. I didn’t vote for Bush in 2000 or 2004. That said he’s looking a lot less threatening to me now than Obama with his Dem-controlled Congress–the thought of that is worthy of hysterics.

Give it a rest OIAF. Crosses went out with Rome. No one is impressed by the one you’re lugging around.

And a woman who insults me, calls me a “man” because of my aggressive opinions and then acts proud about it. After all we’ve been through. Nice. But it’s you who calls yourself a “bitch” and is proud of it.

I wouldn’t pay much attention to that OIAF. Heck maybe it’s a compliment. If I’m not mistaken Strawberrybitch is the poster who told another female poster that she needed to get laid/clearly wasn’t getting enough sex b/c she disagreed with her.

The universe is based on relativity. Any president will look a lot less threatening when he’s about to leave office.

actually I’m the centerie..Calling me a leftie only supports Strawberry’s thesis that you’re bush supporter.

That’s interesting logic, almost Bot-worthy.

More Bot-worthy logic.

Americans locked up in Gitmo .

So if there not at Gitmo, what black site where they taken too?

KathyNeocon respectfully, what makes think this has not occured to American citizens?

(not to be 24′ish but seriously) are you that secure in your person or effects knowing the law of the LAND IS…very different than what the public is told.

I would imagine that from your vantage point on the right, the center would seem quite botish. LOL not to worry, it’s just the illusion created by apparent foreshortening

(not to be 24′ish but seriously) are you that secure in your person or effects knowing the law of the LAND IS…very different than what the public is told.

Yes, I am. But then again I’m a delusional Bush lover so it’s only natural I feel this way.

How droll.

That must be it. LOL only bot would notice that Bush looks less threating with about a month left in office. (ROFLAMO) but then… the bots are freaking out that BOBO might get caught up in the blagejvich thing. So nope. I guess it can’t be coming from them since they’re occupied.

calling yourself a neocon pretty much gave that away.

How troll.

So if they’re not at Gitmo…

Oh how the people forget.
I’m Like OIAF I didn’t vote for Bush but I now think that he has kept us safe at all costs.
I also thing Iraq is a brilliant strategy for the coming wars.
Obama has seen the terror briefings and knows they’re for real. That’s why he threw the left wing pacifists under the bus to save his own family from mass death.
Bush is only a villain because he did the dirty work and killed and jailed those that don’t live by the rules.
I’m glad Bush gives NO Quarter on his decision to destroy a Stalinist tyrant and to expand the American presence in the middle east.
Obama and his self righteous loonies just don’t get the fact that when you don’t have security you don’t have life.

We haven’t forgotten anything, and that’s why Bush will never be our hero.

Teak..One thing I’ve learned is that there is the foreign policy which is for public consumption and is even guided by polls. Then there is the real foreign policy which looks at America in 50 and 100 year increments and involves doctrines for preserving and expanding the American sphere of influence.
Obama now talks about Americas interests and not getting out of Iraq in a way which would undermine those interests.
As for rendition of terror suspects and Gitmo. I guess it will take another attack for people to really understand.
I would rather the scum be there at Gitmo than in black holes somewhere.

locking up terrorists in gitmo has nothing to do with foreign policy or any vision of American 50 or 100 years in the future. All it does is show the world that we aren’t what we say we are and it undermines America’s sphere of influence.

Pardon WildChild for responding to Seattle Moss.

@seattle Moss, I was referring to the rendition of US persons to sites other than Gitmo and the false sense of security that accompanies the those that would believe we are safe from our government or those who kill innocents in the name of Allah.

In response to what has happened since 9/11…The SOB’s that planed it are still out there. I get that part.

The SOBs’ will always be out there as long as we are a 14 trillion economy and leaders of the free world.
Cruel world!

There was a president once who had an approval rating of just 25%. He had just nuked a country and the righteous just could not see the vision of that decision.
The Iraq war may be preventing the deaths of 100 million by prevnting or at least limiting resource wars. At the very least we have Iran surrounded on two sides and the Russians shut out of the area. I tend to be a futurist in how I view major long term Geo political struggles.
There is no justice in this world. Only winners and losers.Winner take all. We have shown the world that when you attack the richest most powerful country in the world we’re not just going to sit there and take it. After 911 most people who are now second guessers wanted Bush to do whatever it took to shut down the networks. We will never know exactly how successful he has been. One thing is for sure. I would rather have the world scared of our responses than have a world laughing at out timidity.
My father was one of those that hated Truman while in office.Years later he told me he was one of the great presidents.

we’re no longer the leader of the free world when the leaders of the free world won’t even look at our president when they all get together. Becoming what we aren’t in no way protects what we are. Bush isn’t going to go down in history as a great president because he was all too willing to give up what we are. Standing for nothing, we fought for nothing, we died for nothing and in the end we have nothing to show for it but the animosity of the world. And it didn’t have to be that way, but george bush made it that way.

You have been had! Don’t you get it many countries despise our power and would love to see us fall. That is why they want a suck up wimp like Obama in charge.
The reality is that the United States will lead the world out of this recession. By investing 7 trillion we pave the way for a revitalization of our manufacturing sector. The rest of the world will have to wait for our recovery.
I’m bullish on America and believe that it’s the American century after all.

LOL I’ve been had.. That’s funny. I can’t even imagine what our national debt is after this eight years but when I tally up that with economic collapse, with a strung out military, with a damaged international standing, with a drown city, with bridges collapsing…. yeah, I’ve been had, because I was once told that conservatives (like Bush) knew what they were doing.

That’s not quite the picture you would expect to be left by a tribe of guys with their shit together… now is it?

Glass half empty for you!
At least we have the infrastructure to be fixed.
Why does China have an economy that is only 2.7 trillion? Why is the Russian economy worth only 1.9trillion? The closest economy to America’s 14 trillion economy is Japan with a 4 trillion economy
We have so much more infrastructure than the rest of the world.
So let’s fix it! I plan on making a lot money supplying the industries involved in repairing our roads and bridges.

So we owe money..Big deal.The rest of the world can’t survive even a month without us.
Look at China.All the money they have made will now have to be diverted internally to stop unrest and save their own environment
Europe is going into a depression.India has lost up 60% of it’s wealth on paper in the last 3 months.
Things are bad right now.But be glad you get to walk around green lake knowing that the lake is not polluted with cadmium runoff or you have to wear a mask to get around town.
The products, services and infrastructure you take for granted is what many other countries don’t have and never will.

I don’t do the glass half full half empty thing. I’ll leave that to the doctor Phils of the world. By definition a half a glass of anything is both half full and half empty. Thats all it is. It is nothing else. Which is why being an American I have this tendency to put America before Russia or china. That’s a trait not exactly shared by the conservative movement when they sold out our industrial base and the jobs that went with it to the latter. So why does Russia and china have a smaller economy then we do? My guess is it’s because we include their numbers with ours since we like to think globally and fancy ourselves with having an economy that transcends national boundaries. And since it really is global now, when the conservatives took our down our economy as a result of their bullshit economic fantasy, they took a lot of other peoples down, just like they would have take down greenlake if they had their way.

They’ve opposed environmental restrictions for decades

Thank you candymarl, a voice of reason. I concur a hundred percent.

Kathyneocon, in my state someone was taken off and “rendered” and then released because it turned out the information was false. This election should have taught ALL of us that ANYTHING can be spinned and evidence and proof can be easily manufactured. I certainly don’t want our country reliving the McCarthy days, I hope you don’t want that either. Fear is a powerful motivator and if it is focused on “anyone” by someone more powerful and with more resources that “anyone” could easily be arrested and worse. We are a nation of laws for a reason. That’s why so many of us “liberals” became PUMAS and voted McCain/Palin. Does anyone here think lynching is okay? I doubt it? How about mob rule? Again I doubt it, but if we start down that path our way of life as a Democratic Republic will be a thing of the past. We have already seen pieces of it chopped off by Bush/Cheney, and now the fraud throughout this election is doing more shredding. This is the time all of should stand together and say no more, and that includes visiting injustice on others. I suggest those of us advocating “terrorist” policies watch Judgment at Nuremberg again or In The Heat of the Night.

A Third World Country ‘reporter’ acting in a Third World manner. I think it’s DISGRACEFUL what that jerk did. Can you imagine the OUTRAGE if one of our American reporters threw something at a visting dignitary on OUR soil? Countries all over the world would either be out to ‘get us’ (esp. if it was a Muslim big-wig) or we would be the laughing stock of the world and be made fun of until Doomsday.

I still believe in respect.

OK. Let me try again. I am no liberal but I am also not a neocon. Perhaps I can best explain myself as being a Goldwater conservative. You take the fight to the enemy, bin Laden, and not the Constitution or American citizens. When we lose rights because of a foreign madman, that madman gets what he wanted and we lose in the bargain. The order of business is: 1) Get that creature bin Laden and 2) seal the borders. That is how you make the US safe. You don’t do it by creating some behemoth of a bureaucracy (Department of Homeland Insecurity) which can’t find its ass with two hands, a map, a GPS, a flashlight, and a compass. We are only throwing money down a rathole. And bin Laden is still out there.

You don’t make people safe by downloading every scrap of electronic information going into, out of, or inside the country. All you get is an overhwelming amount of information but no real intelligence. You don’t do it by taking grandmothers out of line at an airport to search them for contraband. And bin Laden is still out there.

Everything done overtly since 9/11 has been a show, a really poorly-written one, but a show nevertheless. It was designed to make you feel safe but not BE safe. And while we were busy all feeling safe and warm and fuzzy, the shenanigans which directly led to our current mess were allowed to happen untended, right under our very noses. It is funny how distractions work, and how the American public is so adept at missing the important things while focusing on the meaningless. And bin Laden is still out there.

That One, Obama, Barry, or whatever he goes by is just another bit actor in this sordid, shoddy play. That is why I am dead-set against him AND the man he will presumably replace. That One is Dubya II. We all saw the first in the series and I know I was duly unimpressed.

We can only hope that one day he will be in an orange jumpsuit…

Good for you. Bush is leaving soon and Fraudbama has a long time to fuck up this country. They’re nowhere near two sides of the same coin. But you will find that out when you are either dead or critically injured because we got nuked by Fraudbama’s friend and family. What a joke. big frigging DIFFERENCE…Bush is AMERICAN and loves this country. You can say he made mistakes. Fine. I don’t agree with the wing nuts about that. But it’s a big, huge step from a mistake to sheer HATRED of America and the desire to destroy us at all costs. Give the Bush thing a rest and start focusing on preventing Fraudbama from doing anything further to destroy us.

These are exactly my sentiments about Mr. Bush and this disgraceful episode. Can’t believe that there are Americans that agree with or ‘celebrate’ this attack.

Here is the report by Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE4BE28Q20081215?feedType=nl&feedName=usmorningdigest&sp=true

The Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at U.S. President George W. Bush in a supreme insult has suddenly become the talk of Iraq, hailed by marchers as a national hero but blasted by the government as a barbarian.

TV reporter Muntazer al-Zaidi remained in detention on Monday, accused by the Iraqi government of a “barbaric act.” He would be sent for trial on charges of insulting the Iraqi state, said the prime minister’s media advisor, Yasin Majeed.

Throwing shoes at someone is the worst possible insult in the Arab world.

If other people start throwing shoes, it will be a very stupid thing to do, unless they are Arabs. But, it that happenes, I won’t be surprised. There are so much ignorance in the world…

Listen, folks can say what they will about Bush. I am a Bush voter, with plenty of regret over things I wish he’d done differently.

But one thing I think he gets right, and the thing I think he’ll be remembered for, is that free people are the way forward out of conflict. Whatever reasons going in, Iraq is free now.

And this episode is like a microcosm of that. Go ahead, call him a minster, throw some shoes. But you’re in a country now where you don’t get turned into ground beef for doing that anymore.

There’s no denying the difference between those two worlds. The lie Bush the Tyrant idea is best illustrated in moments like this.

Anyway, I like the guy personally, and I like a free Iraq even if they don’t end up loving us.

If this reporter had expressed the “freedom of speech” that he has, due to the Iraq War getting rid of Saddam Hussein and his oppressive dictatorship, then his head would now be separated from his body and probably the same done to all his family. Yes, they have suffered some casualties during the war, but Saddam had hundreds of thousands of his own people killed and tortured and sprayed with poison gas. Now they have a chance at freedom and a decent life. War is terrible, but those people are better off now than they were when Saddam was their leader and I think a lot of them know it. We lost 5000 of our troops and some other countries lost troops, too, to help them. They should be thanking us.

Back to the way Bush is portrayed:
I believe that Bush sincerely was trying to take the battle to the terrorist when he invaded Iraq. His judgement was, I believe, altered by the horrific attacks on 9-11. Hindsight has taught us other things, and many of you who have a much better understanding of this than I do believe he has made terrible mistakes, and I trust your judgement. But, I contend, George Bush has been called Hitler and worse, and that saddens me, because I believe he is a basically decent man. He may be horribly mistaken, but I do not think he is criminal or evil.
He has handles far worse than a couple shoes being pitched at him.
We face 4 years ahead of leadership from someone who won’t even allow out to view his birth certificate. We may soon long for the days of G.W.Bush.

Please excuse my typos!

(clarification: …and led away in chains, NOT a bodybag)

It was my impression it wasn’t the first time he’s had to duck something thrown at his head.

And it startled him.

WC…You need to stop saying probably and back your statements up with facts. the reason the Chinese and Russian economies are both below 3 trillion is becasue of communism and the decades of lack of products services and infrastructure.
The problem I see with your argument is that you think America is better than other countries. That we have to show something to the other world.
We are the same savages as any of these other countries. I guess you would rather the other guy kill us off so that your great concept of what America is can be fulfilled. I say BS..We have shown the rest of the world that we can play their game as well. That we’re not wimps and wussies. i’m sorry that it’s a cruel and unfair world but i would suggest you get the history books out and see how unjust it’s been throughout history.

Fuck yeah! That shoe was charging pretty fast and Bush…the cowboy that he is ducked a fast one. That’s my President! Obama’s lowlife Presidency will have millions of Americans wishing for the Bush years. Just wait and see.

xeno, and in closing i still have not heard you deplore the throwing of shoes at an american president(no matter who he/she it is). there is this self righteous, arrogant attitude by the left that bad acts on one side justifies bad acts on the other side. i don’t know if that is your feeling but some of your comments suggest it to me. i go back to the campaign to the trashing of hillary and sarah. i go back to the trashing of the clintons, middle america, and women voters. i go to calling sarah as cxxx. i go back to the groping of hillary’s cut out. i go back to rev wright damning america. i could go on and on. there is no excuse for throwing shoes at bush. the possibility of what could happen if it were a bomb or bullet is so scary.

Whatever reasons going in, Iraq is free now.
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Iraq is hardly a done deal.

LOL

No fan either…but you do have to give it to Bush.

Could you imagine if the guy connected? Those slow-mos would have been horrible to see. I’m glad he dodged it….made me kinda proud of the guy.

Pretty ironic that President Bush rids the country of an evil dictator that no one dared to even THINK about throwing a shoe at, yet now with an opportunity to live free of Saddam Hussein’s repressive regime someone dares to throw a shoe at the person responsible for giving them new found freedoms?! Ungrateful brat!

http://ontheseventhday.wordpress.com/

LOL, I love the caption…all I can report is it is a size 10. Damn, that’s funny. Wonder if Barry will have women throwing stilettos at him.

Iraq is no freer now than it was before. In fact, the civil strife is worse than ever.
Bush got NOTHING right on Iraq.

And since when does one country – U.S. – attack a sovereign nation – Iraq (with shock and awe no less), and then say that we (U.S.) freed you (Iraq) and we are working for peace??

What b***s***. What Bush did was criminal and he is now making jokes about being the target of scorn and hatred around the world. He doesn’t have the decency or the goodness of spirit to even apologize to the people he helped destroy. What a jerk.

If he hadn’t policed his “public” appearances, this would have happened sooner than it did – and maybe more frequently.

“… politicians of this decade spent more time babbling about terrorism and doing nothing substantive about it while allowing the real problems to go untended. Regulatory oversight under Bush and Congressional oversight under both Republicans and Democrats was nonexistent. There is a lot of blame to go around. 535 elected officials really should have been given their pink slips this last election cycle, as far as I am concerned.”

I agree completely.

Well said, Ferd.
Thank you.

Actually the IRAQ Prime Minister was the batter and took the 1st pitch (high) and wiffed on the 2nd pitch.

I say probably because I’ve never seen the numbers used to calculate the size of an economy. I’ve never met anybody who has. I’m just supposed to take them on faith. But what I have seen is our private sector using a system of accounting which isn’t based on a single standard but rather what ever standard makes them look the best for the current situation. Case in point is the different set of books they show the tax man vs the set they show the investor. The other little trick they use is part of mergers and acquisitions. Every parent company gets to include the numbers of the satellite companies in their own books. So what’s stopping our companies from doing the same when they are in businesses with companies that used to be in the US that were sold to the commies or to the Indians and have a few American bucks tied up in them. Where is the dividing line? Where does our economy stop and theirs begin? Even you can’t answer that question because you have to take it on faith too. So “probably” it will remain.

one last thing. America has to be what it says it is. If all we are is a bunch of savages then we should take down the flowery language that started this grand experiment in freedom and just go with that. It would be honest. But we have a history of standing for something and under Bush we stopped standing for those things. We’re never going our honor back with thinking like yours.

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