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No Inappropriate Contact?

I understand Bill Clinton lying about having sex with Monica Lewinsky. None of the married guys I know would want to fess up to their wife that they had been philandering. Better to lie and save the family. Bill Clinton had the added burden of making his denials in the public arena.

So what the hell was Obama thinking? Initially he denied any contact. Remember, we are talking about the most brilliant man to ever be elected President (or so we were told by Michael Bechloss). He’s a Constitutional scholar (so we were told) for God’s sake. His insistence that he did not talk to Blago left most folks scratching their heads. Why wouldn’t President-elect Obama talk to Blagojevich, or communicate in some fashion, about his preference for a successor to his Senate seat? As Truthteller has documented there clearly was contact between the two camps.

There was this announcement more than a month ago from Governor Blagojevich:

Governor Blagojevich Congratulates President-elect Obama and Discusses U.S. Senate Seat To fill President-Elect Barack Obama’s Senate seat, Governor will use deliberate process to select suitable replacement

And today, Obama admitted there was contact between his staff and the Governor. Did you notice he said, “there was no inappropriate contact?” We can be sure that the Feds have recordings not just of Rahm Emanuel, but also David Axlerod and Valerie Jarrett. As the case against Blagojevich proceeds it is highly likely they will be called as witnesses. We also cannot rule out that they will testify before a Grand jury.

If you think the visual of Emanuel, Axlerod, or Jarrett doing the perp walk into a Grand jury hearing is a positive for the Obama Adminiistration then you are delusional. Those are not the pictures they will want but they will appear. Compounding Obama’s problem is that Blagojevich is not going away quietly. He is going to fight like hell to save himself and, like a frantic drowning man, will latch on to anything to save himself. Don’t be surprised to hear his stories about fielding requests for favors from Barack via Tony Rezko.

For now we are left with the spectacle of Barack Obama carefully parsing words. So much for openness and transparency.

  • juan

    DON’T GO BLOGO: SING ABOUT OBAMO….!!!!!

    HEY, REZKO: SING ABOUT OBAMA….!!!!!

    You can bet the Obama’s & Gov. Richardson are very nervous about this.

    Maybe the Gaffe Machine Biden will utter something.

    POOR HILLARY. Wonder if she’s embarrassed or chuckling????

    • jd4hill

      I vote chuckling. Deservedly so.

      She tried to warn them all.

      • heartland dem

        Johnson – Are you being deliberately dishonest, or are you that obtuse?

        QUOTE THE WHOLE ARTICLE, SIR.

        “Governor Blagojevich Congratulates President-elect Obama and Discusses U.S. Senate Seat

        To fill President-Elect Barack Obama’s Senate seat, Governor will use deliberate process to select suitable replacement

        CHICAGO – After congratulating President-Elect Barack Obama on his decisive victory, Governor Rod R. Blagojevich announced today that he will take his time and use a diverse senior staff made up of key members of his administration who will assist him in selecting a suitable replacement for Obama.”

        IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS FROM THIS PASSAGE THAT HE WAS “DISCUSSING” IT WITH THE PRESS.

        You make your whole post intellectually void by deliberately mis-quoting this article. But I understand now – this blog is not about truth or facts. Really quite disgusting.

        • WildChild

          what are you talking about?

          • heartland dem

            Here is how this is presented:

            “As Truthteller has documented there clearly was contact between the two camps.

            There was this announcement more than a month ago from Governor Blagojevich:

            Governor Blagojevich Congratulates President-elect Obama and Discusses U.S. Senate Seat To fill President-Elect Barack Obama’s Senate seat, Governor will use deliberate process to select suitable replacement…”

            The way this is quoted makes it seem as if this is proof that Blagovich “discussed” filling the seat with Obama. If you read the link itself, it is clear that this is a press release where the Governor is “discussing” the appointment during a speech. NOT with Obama.

            • WildChild

              this is what you said IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS FROM THIS PASSAGE THAT HE WAS “DISCUSSING” IT WITH THE PRESS.

              Larry isn’t contesting that so your hysteria is unwarranted. Considering that you seem to want Larry to quote the whole press release otherwise you will blow a head gasket it would seem as though you might want to follow the same standard you set out for Larry and quote all of truth tellers documentation about the contact between BOBO and blago.. Specifically that the NOV 5 meeting that truth teller has been documenting between BOBO and blago to discuss the senate replacement

              but perhaps you always intended you make your whole post intellectually void by deliberately forgetting to talk about that meeting. But I understand now – you’re not about truth or facts. Really quite disgusting.

              • heartland dem

                Larry isn’t contesting what? – don’t try and change the subject – I did not refer to a Nov 5 meeting, and neither did the article quoted nor this blog post. I am talking about this specific post on this specific article, and it is clear – crystal clear – that Johnson is attempting to misrepresent the source material.

                • heartland dem

                  And if you want to go back to the quote that “truthteller” (what a canard of a name) first mentions: “I have never spoken to the governor on this subject. I am confident that no representatives of mine would have any part of any deals related to this seat.”… nothing has been uncovered or revealed that contradicts this. Obama says “no deals” were discussed. not “no discussions” were made.

                  This blog has been reduced to a house of cards, built for the intellectual masturbation of a bitterly divided and failed would-be political movement.

                  • Donna Brazile

                    Hearty demo:

                    Haven’t you gotten off then?

                    Stop the hate!

                  • WildChild

                    Ahh I see the disconnect. You’re attempting to replace BOBO’s lie about his never having the NOV 5 meeting with Blago to discuss the sale of his senate seat with truth tellers documentation of the meeting. Are you playing follow the leader here? LOL is BOBO example the one you are following?

                  • Marley

                    According to the complaint, deals were discussed. This does not mean deals were finalized. The “deals” were also two-way because there were negotiations. The negotiations are still wrong even though both sides may not have reached an agreement. Thus, “any part of deals” includes negotiation discussions.

                  • Chuck

                    You’re right on heartland dem. There’s no valid response to the truth you’re stating. You’ll just get receive more random insults from the echo chamber. All of a sudden these guys have taken on the mantle of being insatiable detectives on the hunt for the truth about Obama that only they have the moral fortitude to pursue, while the rest of us ignorant “bots” stroll along believing everything he tells us because we’re so dumb. It’s a great way to deceive oneself into believing your unfounded animosity towards a person actually has foundation. Hey btw guys, whatever happened to that tape of Michelle ranting on and on about “whitey”?

                • WildChild

                  Larry isn’t contesting your statement. The one I quoted. Here lets recap shall we

                  IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS FROM THIS PASSAGE THAT HE WAS “DISCUSSING” IT WITH THE PRESS. So you see there is no changing of subject. You went insane and we’re just trying to determine where it begins and where it ends.

                  • heartland dem

                    You simply aren’t making any sense.

                    Ok, then. I’ll let YOU do the analysis.

                    What does the following mean:

                    “As Truthteller has documented there clearly was contact between the two camps.

                    There was this announcement more than a month ago from Governor Blagojevich:

                    Governor Blagojevich Congratulates President-elect Obama and Discusses U.S. Senate Seat To fill President-Elect Barack Obama’s Senate seat, Governor will use deliberate process to select suitable replacement…”

                    Break it down for me.

                    • WildChild

                      I’m still trying to figure this goofy assed statement out.

                      T IS QUITE OBVIOUS FROM THIS PASSAGE THAT HE WAS “DISCUSSING” IT WITH THE PRESS.

                      LOL because Larry never said he wasn’t.

                    • heartland dem

                      I’ll repeat it again and again.Get this through your thick skulls if you can.

                      Johnson said this:

                      “As Truthteller has documented there clearly was contact between the two camps.

                      There was this announcement more than a month ago from Governor Blagojevich:”

                      …and follwed immediately with this:

                      “Governor Blagojevich Congratulates President-elect Obama and Discusses U.S. Senate Seat To fill President-Elect Barack Obama’s Senate seat…”

                      Thus implying that this linked press release reinforced his previous statement that there was contact.

                      It is that simple and if you cannot process that information, you are just not wanting to see it. Johnson is being dishonest here and so far nobody has coherently refuted my objection. Time for more name calling?

                    • WildChild

                      Truth teller has documented the NOV 5 contact between BOBO and Blago so Larry was absolutely correct in his statement. LOL you should stop by more often so as not to appear retarded when you post.

                    • heartland dem

                      The point is that that contact is not substantiated in any way by this press release. In fact, it more supports the opposite – that Blagovich called Obama to congratulate him and then released his statement about his own designs on the seat… perhaps this is where the supposedly “scrubbed” stories got their information? Perhaps that’s why they were removed. But that is conjecture, just like everything else on this site. My point still stands. Johnson and the rest cannot substantiate their claims with this press release. Nothing more, nothing less.

                    • WildChild

                      Except for the meeting that BOBO and Blago had that day to discuss the replacement for the junior senator seat, you might be right. But since they had the meeting to discuss the replacement of the junior senator seat on NOV 5, I’m not exactly sure why you you are speculating otherwise. LOL are you really that disparate to clear the name of your sweet lord that you’ll come here to NQ and lie like crazy for him?

                      On the bright side, BOBO will love you for it. You’re his kind of weenie.

                    • heartland dem

                      Is the only proof of that meeting these screenshots of “scrubbed” stories? Do we have a screenshot of Obama’s outlook calendar?

                    • WildChild

                      we’ve already been down that road with his birth certificate.

                    • heartland dem

                      WELL WELL WELL…

                      Looks like I’m not the only one coming to this conclusion:

                      http://hotair.com/archives/2008/12/11/khqa-retracts-blago-obama-meeting-reports/

                      “KHQA TV wishes to offer clarification regarding a story that appeared last month on our website ConnectTristates.com. The story, which discussed the appointment of a replacement for President Elect Obama’in the U.S. Senate, became the subject of much discussion on talk radio and on blog sites Wednesday.

                      The story housed in our website archive was on the morning of November 5, 2008. It suggested that a meeting was scheduled later that day between President Elect Obama and Illinois Governor Blagojevich. KHQA has no knowledge that any meeting ever took place. Governor Blagojevich did appear at a news conference in Chicago on that date. ”

                      Straight from the horses (ass) mouth:
                      http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1264113,CST-NWS-succeed06.article

                      “Saying he had no favorite candidate yet, Blagojevich said he has not spoken to Obama about the matter but would give “a great deal of weight” to the recommendations the president-elect might make.”

                      This is from Nov 6th.

                      Move along folks, nothing to see here.

                      THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF A MEETING, THERE WAS NO MEETING.

                    • Chicago Joe

                      You are about three days late on this.

                    • Diana L. C.

                      Did you see the word “today” in Larry’s article. It’s a pivotal word in Larry’s post. It shows that Obama’s previous denial that he and his staff had had contact. Now, “today” he admits that there was contact, but claims it was not “inappropriate contact.” A lie is a lie. No contact means no contact. He’s doing a lot of obfuscating, AGAIN. I guess that is because the very brillian ONE knows how to manipulate his many minions who can’t pass a seventh-grade reading comprehension exam.

                  • heartland dem

                    You simply aren’t making any sense. Larry isn’t contesting anything becasue he isn’t part of this discussion. His assertions were already made in his post.

                    Ok, then. I’ll let YOU do the analysis.

                    What does the following mean:

                    “As Truthteller has documented there clearly was contact between the two camps.

                    There was this announcement more than a month ago from Governor Blagojevich:

                    Governor Blagojevich Congratulates President-elect Obama and Discusses U.S. Senate Seat To fill President-Elect Barack Obama’s Senate seat, Governor will use deliberate process to select suitable replacement…”

                    Break it down for me.

                    • WildChild

                      you’re stuttering

                    • Donna Brazile

                      I don’t think hearty demo had finished the process that he/she/it mentioned in the above post before trying to type.

                      Stop the hate:-)

                    • rolling_thunder

                      Illinois Senate President Emil Jones (D-Chicago), Obama’s political godfather, is the next to go. Did you see how worried he looked standing beside Blago during a press conference? And they all fall down..

            • KintheNorthwest

              ck these scrubbed internet posts…..
              http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/12/10/blagogate-did-obama-talk-with-blago-after-election/

              Im still wondering why they were taken down…

              Was it because Obama told another white lie again.

              • beebop

                I guess that’s the new pc … lies are now “white?”

                I am beginning to understand why he won’t give up his blackandwhiteberry. If he can’t keep any notes of the fabrications he spews, how will he remember what he has said?

                “Oh, what tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive. And when we’ ve practiced for awhile, How we do improve our style!”. Courtesy of Will Shakespeare.

        • LDW

          Nice to meet a W.O.R.M. who can spell.

        • babalu123

          You are so wrong!!! Obama lied, that He didnt talk wit Blago, so why Obama lied???
          Another thing, from now on we openly can call Obama President Barak Husein Obama, because He will use His full name in Inauguration on Jan.20th!!!

    • Masha

      Another vote for chuckling. I’m chuckling too.

      • Lyn

        yep chuckling, bet they got a big laugh about Richardson today too. Karma? or paybacks?

  • cathnealon

    What’s going on behind the scenes with Blago and BO? They’re going to have to give him alot to shut him up and I’m sure Blago’s wife is setting up some offshore account.

    • extreme ways

      Probably nothing going on behind the scenes, unless they’re as arrogant and stupid as we think they are, which means we may be in for a treat because they are no doubt being closely watched.

  • grtphoto

    Larry-are you aware of the Rubin ponzi scheme connection to Obama? Not being reported in MSM due to Rubin’s son on Obama’s fiance team! Inappropriate relationship again. How much of this appalling excuse for a democracy are we going to see? I am so disgusted.

  • Marley

    I am just so frustrated. I feel as if he is untouchable. I mean, how could a former member of the New Socialist Party get elected President? I am just so confused.

    I thought Rezko would sing… now I am hoping Blago will too?

    Also, what is the role Biden’s son played in all of this?

    • rolling_thunder

      It is an inescapable fact that Dodd, Frank, and Obama bear much of the blame for the economic crisis, and for foisting upon us a new socialist bill, under the guise of “economic relief”.
      The federal government, responsible for this crisis, now owns a very large portion
      of America’s economy.
      Wow!
      The same bunch that screwed it up are now in charge of far more of it than before.
      It is called Socialism, and don’t you ever forget this time in our history
      when we became Europe II.
      History will vindicate those of us who fought this tooth and nail.

      • babalu123

        it looks like what Eastern Europe(Czech.Slowakia,Rumunia,Ukraina,Jugoslawia, Bulgaria ect, etc) were fighting against for 40 years, is coming here and and coming very fast…

  • pm317

    “There was no inappropriate contact” but “there was contact.” Inappropriate is in the eye of the grand jury.

    • Ferd Berfle

      Indeed. I’d really like to hear their definition of appropriate and inappropriate. I’m sure they’d find yet another way to torture the language. Christ.

      • WildChild

        BOBO and Blago didn’t touch wieners. Oh drat, that’s what they consider appropriate contact.

        • Ferd Berfle

          ROFLMAO. And that wasn’t touching they were doing, either.

  • candymarl

    This is terrible. The country doesn’t need this right now.

    I guess Blago wasn’t so “crazy” after all.

  • HARP

    Forty five percent (45%) of U.S. voters say it is likely President-elect Obama or one of his top campaign aides was involved in the unfolding Blagojevich scandal in Illinois, including 23% who say it is Very Likely.

    Just 11% say it is not at all likely, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey taken Thursday and Friday nights.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/december_2008/45_suspect_obama_team_involved_in_blagojevich_scandal

    • Ferd Berfle

      The Obamabot chorus: B,b,b,but the polls are never right!

      • I’m a Linda too

        WOW, just 11 percent say it aint so. LOL and WAIT until they hear about his other administration officials…Richardson comes to mind.

        • saving face

          It took people nearly two years to believe that Nixon was involved in Watergate. How much more naive we were then. Meanwhile I don’t like the fact that the Secretary of the Treasury has all those billions to dispose of as he sees fit. Another scandal in the making.

    • extreme ways

      How high does that number have to get to spur the MSM into cya mode so we can hear some truth from them? It’s heartening to see such a good number from people who still turn on the news and believe they’re getting impartial information.

      • beebop

        As long as there are pervs and bad parents murdering their children and burying them in their back yards or wayward and stupid husbands offing their spouses on public highways for people to find, the MSM has the smoke and mirrors they so deliciously parlay on the public. Its like Monday Night Football, Dancing With the Stars, American Idle, Minus Two and a Half Men, Don’t Ask Me, I’m Dumber than a Fifth Grader …. bread and circuses anyone?

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  • I’m a Linda too

    Thank you Larry.

    …you wrote, “So what the hell was Obama thinking?”

    Apparently his ego was causing him to think a bit too much about himself and that everyone was going to continue covering for him, as they did this past year of running for prez. In reality they are. The media tries to spin and goes with Obama talking points from Axelrod of what they should be trying to switch the story to, but you still have some that are actually listening to him now and ASKING QUESTIONS, especially when they don’t jive with his ANSWERS.

    • saving face

      Linda — This story has legs and the media is keeping it going. No matter what point of view they take, they are making it clear that this is not going away.

  • somerset

    For the record, one more time, Bill Clinton and other people my age do not consider what he did “sex”. We did not have much in the way of birth control back when we were young. “Sex” was what you did to cause pregnancy….the other stuff was called petting. Our generation used different criteria…if “a” didn’t go into “b”, it was not sex because there could never be a “c” and that was where blue dresses “came in handy”. He might as well have gone all the way for all the trouble he got into.

    • Strawberrybitch

      Let me guess, you went to Catholic school, too.

      • workingclass artist

        C’mon…WJC is from the South…and this was/maybe still is common down here…Listen to any teenger who gets caught in the Backseat of a car…lol…
        Teen Boy: ” But we weren’t having SEX…Honest! ”
        Teen Girl : ” I’m still a VIRGIN…Honest! ”
        Southern Colloquialism:
        Sexual Relations = Sexual Intercourse

      • babalu123

        live Cathilic and Our schools alone. It is up to any individual ant to Church, how they want to live their life. Church do not tell them to do what they are doing and how they live their life!

        • babalu123

          just clearing my answer; it is not up to Church to forse their fallower to live their life as they were teach by , but up to any individual in this case “catholic” to fallow their teachers. SO, dont blame catholic faith, for what peole choose to do in their life! Catholic faith is teaching ; good.love,honesty, to love another as we love ourselfs. What people are doing it has nothin to do with my catholic faith. We have good and bad people. Stop attacking Catholics and at Yourself…

    • saving face

      somerset — Damn right. We just called that heavy petting. Bill Clinton didn’t lie. Thanks for saying it one more time. For those of Bill Clinton’s generation anything you did which wasn’t penetration and still left the girl intact was not sex.

      • Judy L. NC

        I’m of Bill Clinton’s generation. NO, we did not call that “heavy petting.

        • somerset

          third base?

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    The sort of influence peddling and selling of political futures is done so much here in Chicago that Obama , Blago and especially the Crybaby JJJ probably do it from second nature.. not even realize they’re doing it.

    • connie

      that doesnt make it right!

  • connie

    No inappropriate contact reminds me of, it depends on what the definition of is is? ROTFLMAO!! I hope Bambi enjoys his vacation!! LOL!!! He will have white hair and smoking 2 packs a day by the time he gets back from Christmas vacation!

    • beebop

      Isn’t it amazing that we got pictures of Palin’s legs but we have not one picture of barky smoking? Not.One.Picture. Amazing grace or Professional Courtesy from one group of thugs (“journalists”) offered to another (“Chicago politicians”)?

    • Clara Barton

      No inappropriate contact. No controlling authority. It depends on what the definition of ‘is’ is.

      Zero is lying through his smoke-stained teeth and purple lips.

    • http://baddemocrat08.wordpress.com csuzeq

      Is that what they call jail now? Christmas Vacation?

  • dixi68

    We had a death in our family, so I am behind on the news. Will someone please bring me up to speed concerning both Rubin and Richardson? Thanks.

  • Mandelay

    He lies with ease. He calls press conferences to lie and get maximum press coverage. He stands in front of the flags and lies. And he knows he’ll always get away with it. I thought September 11th, 2001 was the saddest day I’d ever seen in my country and in my city of New York. Every day he holds a press conference and stands before the flags and lies, and draws even more praise from the press — those days are the saddest. These are the days of the lies.

    • rolling_thunder

      Comment by Mandelay | 2008-12-15 23:01:29

      He lies with ease. He calls press conferences to lie and get maximum press coverage. He stands in front of the flags and lies. And he knows he’ll always get away with it. I thought September 11th, 2001 was the saddest day I’d ever seen in my country and in my city of New York. Every day he holds a press conference and stands before the flags and lies, and draws even more praise from the press — those days are the saddest. These are the days of the lies

      I absolutely love this post. :cool:

      • barborka#1

        Bill Clinton never hurt anyone exp.Hillary, so stop comparing His stupid denials and look at all those politicians, who are so corrupted and stealing from as as much as possible. Bill Clinton hurt Hillary and His Family only. Get to real things, that are hurting the whole nation, especjaly Middle Class, and stop taking attentions from real problems!!!

  • justsomeone

    I’m not sure I get this. If someone in the Obama transition team spoke with Gov Elvis about their druthers, I don’t think that’s a crime. Hell if any of us had an opinion we could of phoned him up & told his staff our preference. Almost anyone can lobby any politician for just about anything. Right? Just like all the lame editorials hawking for Caroline Kennedy to fill HRC’s seat in NY. Where the alleged criminal activity enters is with the talk of money exchanging hands as a prerequisite for the nomination. That would be the “pay to play” charge. Extortion? Soliciting a bribe? Right? Now do you really think Rahm Emanual or David Axelrod is dumb enough to get involved with that? I doubt it. Saying you’d “appreciate” something is not a crime. So if that supposition is correct (& you don’t know it’s not)what can they be gotten on? What’s the charge? Failure to report a crime? Will they have to testify? Sure. Will they be indited? Doubtful. Looks to me Gov. Elvis is the target of the investigation not the Obama team. Am I missing something?

    • WildChild

      That would all be great except that Blago was selling and was real loud about it, and BOBO handed him a list of candidates for the junior senator seat that would be acceptable to him… definitely a negotiation in progress. The only thing that hadn’t been reached was the final price.

      • beebop

        Great. Barack Insane 0bama … the hooker president.

        • workingclass artist

          lol…good one bee

    • heartland dem

      You are missing the fact that this blog is simply full of intellectually dishonest people who staked their entire reputations in a cult of personality – not Obama – but Hillary Clinton, and will now use any absurd logical device to justify their hatred of someone who won the nomination under less than perfect circumstances…but more painful tothem, a candiadate who won a clear majority of the nation.

      • WildChild

        we were just wondering why BOBO had to lie about the meeting he and BLago had on NOV 5 to discuss the replacement for the junior senator seat from Illinois. Lying like that isn’t the kind of change we can believe in we were expecting out of BOBO.

      • workingclass artist

        Ehemmm…Heartland dem…STFU…You are tedious…sheeesh!

      • rolling_thunder

        Chicago has a sick political culture and that’s the environment that Barack Obama came from. Blago wasn’t just some guy who wrote a check once-in-a-while for Barack Obama, he’s someone who was an early supporter and had a personal relationship with zerObama for quite some time.
        Obama is bought and paid for not only by organized crime in Chicago but also by Syrians and other Arab interests.
        Obama’s now scrambling to cover his butt as evidence surfaces about shady deals.
        Obama shows a double standard. It’s only a crime if someone outside of his circle of thug buddies does it. Obama cannot escape the fact that he is a product of old-style, corrupt Chicago politics. zerObama and his cronies are fast-buck operators and backroom political kingmakers.

        There’s much more to come in this “Operation Board Games.”
        Stay Tuned.

      • Indy G-Dog

        They, meaning people like Obama, Rove, or Bush, Cheney, kind of coast along, in denial, until they wake up one day, and understand they are in fact accoutnable for their fuck ups.

        And suddenly, the overwhelming nature of a gabizillion dollar debt, a broken economy and two lost wars is real, to them.

        Most are immediately overwhlemd, some get to work, and some whine “nobody told me, had I known, I wouldn’t have taken the job.”

        Obama, like Bush, like Rove, is a farce, all stupid stupid men incapable of doing the work, thinking they could turn the low level deal of corruption, the simplistic PR troll, into a successful presidency.

        You can’t.

    • AnnieO

      I posted this quote from the Blogo complaint on a couple of other posts, but it’s an important point.

      On November 12, 2008, ROD BLAGOJEVICH talked with Advisor B. ROD
      BLAGOJEVICH discussed with Advisor B his idea for a 501(c)(4) organization. Advisor
      B stated that he likes the idea, but liked the Change to Win option better because, according
      to Advisor B, from the President-elect’s perspective, there would be fewer “fingerprints” on
      the President-elect’s involvement with Change to Win because Change to Win already has
      an existing stream of revenue and, therefore, “you won’t have stories in four years that they
      bought you off.”

      p68.

      • Kal

        Yes, sure sounds like an informed BO response to me, either direct or indirectly through someone who was told that that was his view.

    • Diana L. C.

      You’re missing the hint that Blago would have to wait two years. He didn’t want that. He wanted payoff right away. It appears the offered payoff may have been something down the road. Pay off is pay off, even when it comes in the form of a $200,000 pay raise for one’s wife, in my opinion.

      All this can be found in previous posts.

    • http://myfugue.wordpress.com Barrington

      I don’t know if they were dumb enough to do it in front of a national stage, but it’s what they routinely did in Chicago. Particularly Obama. Check into the job Michelle got at the hospital (to keep the poor black women away from the nice hospital), and then how when Obama became state Senator, Michelle got a 3x raise (6 figures), and then Obama diverted funds to the hospital.

      Then there’s the house and Rezko.

      There are other examples, too.

      He just plays a “clean person” on TV.

    • Marley

      Bribe: If a suspect hands a police officer a $100 bill after getting pulled over and says, “I’d appreciate it if you did not arrest me for DUI…”- that is a bribe.

      Bribe: “I’d appreciate it if you did not arrest me. By the way, I have a Board position your wife might be interested in. The pay is great.”

      Bribe:
      Suspect: “I’d appreciate it if you did not arrest me. Hey, I know someone who will hire your wife.”
      Police: That is not what I had in mind. However, I would appreciate if you set my cousin up with the head of a charity?”
      Suspect: I will let you know.

      And, “Yes!” Obama’s hand picked men could be that stupid. They are only mortals.

  • justsomeone

    excuse me, I should of called it “an appointment” NOT a “nomination”

  • justsomeone

    Wildchild, are you aiming for a conspiracy charge? Conspiring to get a cronie appointed? That’s what politics is all about…trying to get a majority vote. If that’s a crime the entire senate & house could go down, along with their parties.

    • WildChild

      getting a bro appointed is standard politics. But BLAGO was selling…. loudly.

    • Indy G-Dog

      When does it cross the line into corruption, though?

      Obama, in IL, was responsible for appointing his cronies to the hospital board, in order to facilitate kick backs, perhaps more, personally enriching himself, and Rezko, IMO, along the way, the combine, of which they were part, financially breaking the state of IL.

      White collar theft, criminal behavior, going far beyond any political intrigue.

  • EWard

    Heartland Dem

    Fifty-seven million Americans voted for McCain/Palin. When you factor in caucus fraud, Acorn fraud, and over $200 million dollars of unaccounted for donations, the President-elect has an ethical, moral, and criminal cloud over his administration.

    No Quarter – the Obamabites are pathetic!!!!

    • heartland dem

      Acorn “Fraud” did not result in a single vote for Obama.

      There are NO substantiated claims of “caucus fraud” whatever that would be. Cite your sources.

      And again, the $200 million dollars supoposedly came from where? Proof, please. My mother donated to a campaign for the first time. I donated to a campaign for the first time. So did co-workers, friends, family and and other aquiantances of mine. Sorry it’s hard for you to wrap your head around, but there truly was an unprecedented groundswell of support for this campaign. Thatr’s where the $200 million came from. That is the truth.

      • http://myfugue.wordpress.com Barrington

        Reputable news organizations have written the opposite. Donations under $200 only came from 25% of his donations. The vast majority came from wealthier people, belying the “grassroots support”.

        Furthermore, they intentionally undid the computer mechanism that required people to be citizens and to have only given so much money – and that’s how they got millions of dollars from overseas, you know, the people named xyz and Daffy Duck.

      • Marley

        Bundling.

      • Judy L. NC

        heartland dem, you’re pathetic.

        See Dr. Lynette Long’s work on caucus fraud.

        And if there was a great “groundswell”, explain why not more than ONE VOTE was cast in this election than in the 2004 election. Just more Obama hype.

  • justsomeone

    Or is the charge bull shitting a reporter?

    • WildChild

      get mom to teach you about the reply to this comment feature here at NQ

  • justsomeone

    I’m not defending Blago!!!

  • justsomeone

    Wildchild, It doesn’t appear anyone here is defending Blago, perhaps you should reread what Larry wrote…”Emanual, Axelrod or Jarrett doing THE PERP WALK…” “Perp walk” usually means they have been arrested, indited or convicted. It is that supposition that I object to. Get it?

    • WildChild

      ah so mom is sleeping. That’s ok, with a handful like you she’s probably in a coma. As far a Larry’s visual goes, if you don’t like it that’s really too bad. This is the United States of America you’re standing in. You don’t have to like it. If you want unbridled happy talk move to BOBOland.

    • Marley

      Wrong. A perp is any suspect- get it?

  • justsomeone

    WildChild, you & Larry are both putting the horse in front of the cart, leveling bogus legal charges without adequate foundation. I’m not an Obot, just a dumb ass American who still demands due process & evidence no matter who is being slandered or accused. As for me getting my Mom how to teach me how to use the reply button, SORRY, she’s dead.

    • WildChild

      well then I guess your shit out of Luck. But all is no lost. Google video professor. He might have a CD that could help your with your dilemma. As for proof, we’ve been posting screen shots of articles on the net that talk about BOBO’s NOV 5 meeting with blago to discuss this senate replacement. You know, the one BOBO lied about not having. That one. It really strains credibility that BOBO can’t remember the meeting he had with his home state governor one day after he was elected president.

    • Marley

      Stop throwing around legal words when you obviously have no idea of their meanings. You are being silly.

  • justsomeone

    Is that juvenile banter you’re frothing at me meant to suffice as a legal retort? Admit it, you have no evidence at this juncture against Emanual, Axelrod or Jarrett. Even in this court of public opinion your arguments are lacking.

    • WildChild

      Emanual delivered the list of candidates to blago that would be acceptable to BOBO for his replacement the week before the election. Then BOBO had to lie about the contact, so yeah Rahm is definitely implicated. I don’t know the other two so I can’t speak to them. As to me providing legal retort, I’m not a lawyer you idiot.

      I’m just the guy sitting here watching all this change we can believe in unfold before my eyes and laughing about it.

    • WildChild

      Emanuel delivered the list of candidates to blago that would be acceptable to BOBO for his replacement the week before the election. Then BOBO had to lie about the contact, so yeah Rahm is definitely implicated. I don’t know the other two so I can’t speak to them. As to me providing legal retort, I’m not a lawyer.

      I’m just the guy sitting here watching all this change we can believe in unfold before my eyes and laughing about it. :)

      • Kal

        In any event, how could Rahm create and/or deliver such a list without BO’s knowledge, and if there were to be no further discussions, why bother doing it at all?

    • Diana L. C.

      We have been reading the evidince in posts for many months. The research here is far better than what you’re obviously getting from your sources.

      I’ve provided links for the caucus fraud accounts to so many of my bot acquaintances. They are so convinced that the MSM is the only valid source that they either refust to look at the evidence I provide, or they think that somehow the evidence is all made us–it’s like they think all those people being interviewed on the We Will Not Be Silenced video are actors and actresses. Just because the 2,000 complaints in Texas alone weren’t handled by the states yet or that they may never be handled because it was really up to the party to enforce its rules, doesn’t mean those people filed the complaints for no reason.

      We could go on. But you need to open your eyes and your mind. Read things outside your comfort zone. It’s why many of us here are people who were actually Democrats. Heck, at first I thought I might be able to vote Obama if Hillary wasn’t nominated. HOWEVER, my actual experiences during the primary showed me what the O campaign was really like. It was an eye opener to me, so I began reading. First time I voted for a Republican for President ever.

    • rolling_thunder

      I’m sure Patrick Fitzgerald has all the evidence needed. And if Patrick goes missing we’ll know it’s zerObama who did it.

  • justsomeone

    Advisor B sounds like an idiot. Thanks AnnieO, that’s a very interesting document

  • sara

    Fitzgerald renews interest in Rezko-Obama deal
    Appraiser claiming fraud says prosecutor’s office talked to him after Blago arrest

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83760

  • rolling_thunder

    ZerObama is the second leading beneficiary of the hush-hush money from Fannie-May and Freddie-Mac exec’s, two of whom are now his top economic advisors, namely Jim Johnson and Franklin Raines.
    Both men got immensely wealthy, to the tune nearly one hundred million dollars running these institutions into the ground…More corruption for the FBI to look into.

    • KathyNeocon

      Both men got immensely wealthy, to the tune nearly one hundred million dollars running these institutions into the ground…More corruption for the FBI to look into.

      The FBI needs to staff up to handle the workload from BOBO.

  • heartland dem

    Just so everyone sees this:

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1264113,CST-NWS-succeed06.article

    “Saying he had no favorite candidate yet, Blagojevich said he has not spoken to Obama about the matter but would give “a great deal of weight” to the recommendations the president-elect might make.”

    This is from Nov 6th.

    There was no meeting. Don’t let these craven liars on this site cloud your mind. Think for yourself, folks.

    • Strawberrybitch

      And we should believe an indicted dirtbag like Blago because…? Rezco also stated the same about Obama…they’re both hoping for the Scooter treatment.

      • heartland dem

        Uh… “bitch”, that sun times story was from the 6th. Of November.

        But I suppose we should just go with the TV station from Hannibal, Missori, eh? Or is ther another corroborating story? Was this reported anywhere else?

        no?

        oh.

        • Strawberrybitch

          Uh yeah “dick”, sorry but I don’t believe Blago. He, like Rezco, is hoping that if they don’t squeal on that douche, Barky, he’ll let them off like Scooter got off. Then turn around and make millions on the speaking circuit and book rights. Sell Obama low downs some where else.

        • Indy G-Dog

          You do understand by trying so hard to troll this, you troll yourself?

          I mean, who are you trying to troll anyway?

          The FBI?

          The CIA?

          MI?

          This is whom Obama and crew have chosen to take on, by their crimes, right?

          But of course, you’re smarter, right?

    • barborka#1

      only close to Barak Hussein Obama ,Emanuel,Blogo knows the truth, so how anyone can say as if they did have any meeting or not, and if they truly talk about, and money subjesct were in their conversation. No one of US know anything, but many of US telling that they know all!! Speculation,speculation,speculation. Chill out and watch…

  • Hot Librarian

    Heartland – lucky you are going to be employed for some time trying to hose dwn nobama stuff on sites like this.

    • heartland dem

      This is pro bono work I’m doing for my country. I guess I’m a patriot now, and these ppl are the anti-American haters? whodathunk….

      • Indy G-Dog

        Why are you protecting corruption that harms America?

        I mean, how do you answer that question?

  • TeakWoodKite

    Mr. Johnson, another tone deaf moment brought to you by the “one” (and only) …

    I don’t expect much from BO, if anything.
    BO can not spin this.

  • Katmoon

    Maybe off base here, but I think there may be more to this as in perhaps Fitz had a concern over a leak in his office, I Know it has ben mentioned this broke prior to his office wanting to because of the trib going gaga prematurely. Perhaps Fits, had/ has more goods than we realize, and some of that may be a rat in his own office. Considering the filth that is considered daily politics in Chicago, it wouldn’t surprise me if Fitz is a few steps ahead, and tipping a false poker hand.
    There is a reason, beyond insanity the Gov. isn’t stepping down, maybe he has been cooperating for longer than known, and much has been done for appearances sake over the past two weeks; the media isn’t honest, that one certainly isn’t, and the Chicago machine inside and out has been corrupts for years, so perhaps this is some chum, that has been taken…just a thought.

  • Katmoon

    Pardon all those typos, getting over a cold; washed my hands and can’t do a thing with them!

  • ACPD

    Patients is what we need. The notion that Obama could be the only honest politician in IL and that he could be so successful in such a environment without playing “the game” makes no sense. He was given far too much help at critical times in his career for this to be a credible possibility.

    Life and corruption don’t work that way. In any system the norm is defined by what is acceptable. Obama never complained about corruption in IL and he never made any effort to hold corrupt politicians accountable. On the contrary he worked on their behalf and they worked on his. There is no way that he isn’t part of this mess.

    What we are seeing now is just the beginning of a story that will take time and effort to unfold. I have no doubts that in time, Obama will be exposed to be just as sleazy and as corrupt as all of his buddies.

    The defense of guilt by association only works, when there is one incident of association with a crook. In Obama’s case he has been friendly with too many crooks for too long; that adds up to a substantiating pattern, not a defense.

    It is going to be very difficult for his supporters to face this reality, but Obama may well end up being the first president to be forced out of office for corruption. (I don’t see him ever even having the little grace Nixon mustered to leave on his own.) So, we have to have faith in the truth and patience. This will play out the way the stories of all other demigods have gone…in time they are exposed and are discarded.

    • Kal

      I think you are so right. From everything I have seen, beginning with his earliest work with Acorn and his very first political moves, it is just beyond obvious to me (I’m from Chg) that BO made it perfectly clear at every step of the way that he was not only thrilled to have a chance to practice politics ‘the Chg way,’ but that he brought a lot of legal strategizing to his efforts.

      Here are some of the reasons I think he was determined to prove to the inner dirty circles that he was going to play their game, and help them improve it:

      1) He got involved with MO before he went into politics, so he had to have had coaching from those who learned at the ward boss knee level — crucial basic training

      2) As soon as he lost his first electoral contest, he did not campaign harder to overcome his obstacles — he redrew his district — district lines are like gold in Chg politics, and there is no way BO would have been allowed to do that unless he had somehow convinced higherups that he ought to be allowed to do this

      3) His redrawn districts cut out all but the supportive parts of the AA neighborhoods, and expanded to take in lots of latte types and big chunks of the financial district — which is where a lot of early games were played re contributions and Jarrett’s bank moves — nobody with any political power would have let him do that without prior discussion and full quid pro quo both present and future

      4) He used insider-type dirty tricks to knock everyone off the ballot in his key run

      5) In another key run, ‘leaks’ about dirty divorce facts re his opponents just so happened to come out at critical moments — again, not something that is allowed by a powerful political gang to be done to ‘their own’ without prior clearance

      Etc.

      Note that none of these moves did not involve BO getting out front and center and gaining votes by being Mr Clean or Mr Democracy.

      All of these moves are inherently anti-democratic because they are not transparent, open, or motivated by the best interests of the voters.

      So I believe that if Fitz is still looking — and the Rezko house deal certainly seems to still be getting some attention from him recently — there will be plenty to find, all Fitz has to do is look in the right places.

    • Thinker

      The notion that Obama could be the only honest politician in IL and that he could be so successful in such a environment without playing “the game” makes no sense. He was given far too much help at critical times in his career for this to be a credible possibility.

      - I had this same conversation with my cousin during the primaries. Her response,

      “So what! White people have been corrupt for a very long time so who cares?”

      And that sums the feelings of many Obama supporters. They know damned well that Obama is corrupt, but they rationalize it. They figure, White people have done so many bad things in this country, and any wrong thing that a Black politician does is therefore justified.

      Trust me, they know Obama is full of shit.

      A lot of them simply don’t care.

  • Chicago Joe

    Vince P is right. Barry is just smarter than your average bear, or so he thinks, or perhaps he has more protectors than we know.

    Last night on the local news, there was a lot of dicussion about Blago dissing JJJ’s wife for a lottery position, and how he has been working for the feds more long-term. Is that spin, or is that filed under the best defense is a good offense. So it is a domino thing…who is gonna fall…who is getting paid off….etc.

    Obama has played the game as well. The question is who is loyal and who will talk about what they know.

    • Thinker

      The question is who is loyal and who will talk about what they know.

      -exactly.

      It’s not about IF someone will talk, it’a about WHEN they will talk, and who will talk first.

      Blago?, Rezko?, or someone else that will spill the beans on everyone.

      Are we still voting?

      I say that HRC is chuckling right about now.

  • Chris

    Anybody notice the One start to say ” As I said before”, his famous phrase, and then he stopped himself at “be–” and didn’t get the “fore” out. Instead, he said quickly “at the press conference the other day.” Sorry, not an exact quote but doesn’t matter. The point is, he must have been told by his “words police”, that he needs to lose that particular phrase. I thought it was hilarious. He is so much controlled by “his people” about what he says, how he says it, and what he means. Just funny to me and so much a part of how he has developed into the politician he is today.

  • Thinker

    wow.

    Post of the day:

    Comment by rolling_thunder | 2008-12-16 01:04:37

    Chicago has a sick political culture and that’s the environment that Barack Obama came from. Blago wasn’t just some guy who wrote a check once-in-a-while for Barack Obama, he’s someone who was an early supporter and had a personal relationship with zerObama for quite some time.
    Obama is bought and paid for not only by organized crime in Chicago but also by Syrians and other Arab interests.
    Obama’s now scrambling to cover his butt as evidence surfaces about shady deals.
    Obama shows a double standard. It’s only a crime if someone outside of his circle of thug buddies does it. Obama cannot escape the fact that he is a product of old-style, corrupt Chicago politics. zerObama and his cronies are fast-buck operators and backroom political kingmakers.

    There’s much more to come in this “Operation Board Games.”
    Stay Tuned.

    • Chicago Joe

      For those of you just catching up….
      Evelyn Pringle’s articles are worth another look.
      Start with this…..and work through her articles up though the final chapter.

      Obama – The Wizard of Oz
      http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/13734