21: A Number Emanuel and Obama Will Remember on Fitzmas

Isn’t that just amazing. 21 taped conversations of Rahm in disussions on the Senate seat alone. And how does this equate to no contact….retracted to “no inappropriate”. Please.

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

21 TIMES!

HAH!!!!

Is there room under the bus for old Rahmbo? I’m not sure on my facts historically, but could Rahmbo possibly be the first White House Chief of Staff to go down “before” the inauguration?

Isn’t that just amazing. 21 taped conversations of Rahm in disussions on the Senate seat alone. And how does this equate to no contact….retracted to “no inappropriate”. Please.

How do I spell inappropriate: twenty-one.

I get the feeling that virgin obama is getting ready to throw Rahm under the bus. Bye bye Rahm. If this goes on, Obama won’t have anybody left to throw under the bus. He’ll be all alone. Poor dork!

Yeah–Vurgin Barry and the immaculate deception. Yikes.

shucks ferd, the way you spell it, it sounds obscene. lol

he he he. That really is something to laugh at. And in some of them he probably forwarded a quid pro quo and in others that JJjr. was going to visit him carrying a present. I keep insisting that Blago walks. For one we have not yet listened to Blago saying, ‘no no no’ I don’t trust Obambi that he will deliver. Better send JJjr with the message.’

Oops-typo-make that Virgin

This certainly builds our trust and confidence in the integrity and veracity of the PEBO. I’m getting out the popper for the corn for this real life soap opera.

LOL, Benny. I would have said blackjack but that would get the bots all stirred up.

This is now going to be a riot from now on. The Clown is leaving the WH and a whole circus is invading it.

21 I just had to 21 add 21 to my 21 user name. 21.

21

Speaking of popcorn, where is Galt?

Ferd
“immaculate deception” that’s great but I think it’s going to be revealed that the whole sordid mess is anything but immaculate.

Maybe the 21 conversations will totally exonerate PEBO. For example, I can imagine it might have gone like this:

Rahm in conversation 1: “Rod, didn’t I tell you yesterday the President Elect would have nothing whatsoever to do with any pay to play scheme?”

Conversation 2: “Rod, didn’t I tell you the day before yesterday the President Elect would have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any pay to play scheme?”

Conversation 3: “Didn’t I tell you the day before the day before yesterday . . .

And so on for 3 weeks.

LMAO. ROFL

True but I love the snarky irony in it.

rahm knows where a lot of bodies are buried. he will look after himself and not obama. that should make for very interesting testimony.

They’ll probably end up inadvertently circling the firing squad.

Blagwitch: ‘I want a fu****g million bucks. I don’t care what stupid bambi has to say. You gimme a fu****g million bucks, and I do as bambi says. Otherwise f*** off.’

dear santa fitz, all i want for christmas besides the new car are 21 indictments. you know who dear santa. thanks and i’ll leave those cookies out. oops sounds like pay to play.

Can he take his seat back or will he have to pay to take it back? I know, “I wasted my question.”

do you think Hillary is regretting taking Sec. of State job now?

oh dear….

what a mess…

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

Everyone in the MSM and radio pundits are canceling their Christmas vacation now. They can’t let the second strings take this over. Like McCain said, ‘It will make them famous.’ Happy Fitzmas holy crap days MSM.

Happy Fitzmas

And the angels will be singing “Rahm Emanuel” on high.

And to think, O me of little faith, I was going to have to be wishing everyone a Merry Barackmas.

21. stunning. but i thought just yesterday obama investigated himself and his group and found no impropriety. how does he spin 21? how in the hell do they spin 21 after saying there was no contact? once…even meeting twice…bad enough. but 21?? the audacity of this man is breath-taking.

it feels like bush & company all over again…

hmm..isn’t that reassuring…21 times but no one spoke to Rod about the seat. Why would anyone need to talk to the Gov. 21 times about this unless they were hatching a scheme??

-=chuckle=-

too funny…

i mean really, WTF where they talking about? filling the empty seat would only be the hottest topic in chicago….

good grief…

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

i bet galt has a bus leasing company also. who knew all the business acumen on here!

even better shooting themselves in the foot!

This Sunday instead of going to Meet the Press Obanana is going to visit Father Flagler for confession and then attend the 11:00 o’clock meeting at Trinity. He may want to find out what are Hillary chances of making President now.

rofl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT9_ZIUSLhY

hilarious video of Dear Leader stopping reporter from asking question about Rahmbo and Blago scandal….

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

How many times has Terd Kennedy spoken to the Governor of NY with respect to the contacts, cnnections and inflence Princess would bring to Hillary Clinton’s seat?

And just when did these chats begin?

How much $ did Spitzer spend for a fling? $4800 via his checking account? And how was he snagged, exactly? Why did he resign so quickly as he was not proven guilty, either.

hmmmmmm

The 12 days of Christmas. 21 conversations. Coincidence? I think not.

They’ll probably end up inadvertently circling the firing squad.

LOL Ferd!

Now close in, and don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes!

More than Rezko, but less than Abramoff.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-helpful-hand-in-blago-rezko-pay-to-play-scheme/2/

Wasted questions given to Obanana on Rambo from now on will be put for sale on EBay. That will revive the economy.

Holy Crapola!!!!!!!!!!!

But, but, he’s a father! Can’t he just be a father?

And a fraud in the white house

Wow… Holy s#&* …. Great catch Truthteller!!

Truthteller, a question:

Do you think BO’s excuse will be that Emanuel talked to Blagojevich before he was officially appointed as Chief of Staff?

Or better/worse yet that having named Emanuel to be his Chief of Staff does not mean Emanuel is part of his Transition Team??

How else is he planning to square his comment with all these conversations plus the list Emanuel gave to Blago on BO’s behalf?

Wow, if that doesn’t say it all.

Did anyone see Joe Scoubough chew out the press for not investigating Obama?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/12/16/scarborough-msm-was-wasilla-instead-investigating-obama-blago-conn

I laughed my ass off. If it was posted previously i’m sorry, but it so funny i had to share.

When do they start throwing shoes at the few with the audacity to question numero uno?

It’s totally inappropriate to speculate on answers to these questions since this is an ongoing investigation.

Oh–that’s right–we’re not polticians in hot water–I guess we can speculate all we want . . .

Wow… Holy s#&* …. Great catch Truthteller!!

Truthteller, a question:

Do you think BO’s excuse will be that Emanuel talked to Blagojevich before he was officially appointed as Chief of Staff?

Or better/worse yet that having named Emanuel to be his Chief of Staff does not mean Emanuel is part of his Transition Team??

How else is BO planning to square his (changing) comments with all these conversations in addition to the fact we also know about “the list” Emanuel gave to Blago on BO’s behalf?

Joe’s righteous indignation would have more resonance if he weren’t a major talking head employed by the most negligent of the MSM offenders.

Does anyone know how many times Rahm was taped talking to Gov?

But you’re right kgirl. It is funny, and it’s a step in the right direction. Sorry for being snarky.

The mobster will not let them bring him down. There is going to be alot of singing by the two corrupted SOB- The syrian slum landlord and the mobster russian. Before serving 20 years, the man is going to sing and do you blame him? Rahm is not going anywhere- if you believe after seeing Obama get away from Larry Sinclair’s accusations, the birth certicate, the real estate property, Rev Wright and Bill Ayers and NOTHING HAPPENED TO HIM- WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HIS MACHINE WILL BE TOUCHED? He bought the media, folks- are you forgetting that? And, I am still amaze at the diehard idiots who still hold Hillary as the queen- please……….wake up! Here comes the endorsement of Carolina by the ambitious Hillary. Country last as usual………never country first!!!!!!

YUP.

I was thinking about the spitzgate thing today.
in light of the CK push, I’m wondering if Spitz wasn’t set-up to put Patterson, a BO friendly gov in office who’s said if the US didn’t elect BO it would prove racism as a back door for CK????

I agree–he’s a talking head. But he DOES have a point. I can’t believe the guey admitting that he goes on “instinct.” I can’t believe that the justification for going after Palin was that she was “new.” When did journalists stop doing investigation and start thinking “interviewing” and using instinct is all we epect of them?

I am so sick about all of this.

I just want to wake up one morning to a newspaper headline about PEBO being arrested.

Then I’ll be happy!

21

The 12 days of Christmas. 21 conversations. Coincidence? I think not.

Oh, I love a good conspiracy theory!

They will record Rahm Emanuel on a Seedy Rahm….

Who can forget Rahm’s famous quote last summer, when asked about pissing-off Hillary supporters: “The women don’t tend to get involved in politics on the national level, anyway. They like to sit home and knit”…..or words to that effect.

just want to wake up one morning to a newspaper headline about PEBO being arrested.

Then I’ll be happy!

Me, too! In a perfect world, that would happen sooner than later. But, I’ll settle for later. I refuse to accept the idea of PEBO being in office for 8 years. I have faith that his machinations will come to light and the American people will wake up from their trance and all will be well…or at least much better.

Then I’ll be happy!

Yes, Diana, that would make me happy too.

In the big rock candy mountain.

I’m afraid that I’m old, bitter, and cynical. I did watch the Scarborough piece again, and I found myself cheering for him. Barnicle made a perfect fool of himself. Yay!

That’s true, it in no way equates to “no contact”. The only peerson who said they had “no contact” IS Obama. Of his team, he said the were part of “no deals”. THAT IN NO WAY precludes any number of conversations between Rahm and Blagojevich. They could have had 100 conversations legally if there was no “deal-making” aka corrupt activities going on.

Can you people read??? The taped conversations were between Rahm and Blagojevich, not Obama. So that supports Obama’s statements.

You can’t just make shit up.

Rahm’s first name means “lofty”.
“Emanuel” means “God is with us”.
He was named for two Jewish martyr/heroes.

It would seem that sometimes that naming your kid thing just doesn’t work out well.

Lets recap:

Blagojevish is taped complaining about not getting a deal from Obama’s team.

Obama states he has had no contact with the governor about the matter, and his staff had no part in any “deals” for the seat.

Fitzpatrick states that Obama is not under investigation.

No evidence is revealed so fart that indicates any deal was made, only that Rahm discussed the matter 21 times.

So Obama is so far smelling like a rose, and that seems to make the angry PUMAs even madder.

Any questions?

I rate Hillary’s decision right up there with Peter Frampton thinking it would be a great idea to do a movie with the Bee Gees performing nothing but Beatles songs…

Yes, I have a question: Does your mother know you’re up this late?

And I am sure you think it is perfectly appropriate for Obama’s future Chief of Staff to engage 21 times with someone under FBI investigation. Obama’s Chief of Staff is recorded on 21 conversations captured by the feds.

21

Obama would not answer questions about Emanuel when asked.

21

Think about it.

Marge, this is a perfect little gem, just in time for Christmas . . . ! Thanks for the BIG laugh!

I have no idea how many times would be a reasonable amount of time to discuss – not sell- bnut discuss a senate seat for the United States Congress. 21 times could be quite appropriate under normal circumstances. Just becasue you repeat teh number a bunch of times does not make it more SCARY. It’s also quite probable that a pitbull like Rahm did not want to take the crap that Blago was trying to foist and tried to force him to drop his BS and accept their list of acceptable candidates without any preconditions. In that circumstance, nad with those players it’s possible that 100 calls could be made. I’ve made a dozen or more myself to various friends (or enemies)in a short space in times of intensity over NOTHING… a Senate seat is a whole other matter.

This is exactly what shit is made off. Food plus bile. And you think they were talking about the parade in Chicago or Washington and for Blago to get some seats reserved for him at the podium.

What happened to the Democratic Party??

They took away our right to vote in FL and MI.

Allowed a corrupt politician “buy” superdelegates with cash under the table.

Push a Reverend Wright racist and pathelogical liar down our throats.

Tell us that experience isn’t important (except for Sarah Palin).

Turn their head the other way when they see Obama trying to bribe the Illinois governor.

And are now defending nepitism and trying to force another unqualified candidate (C. Kennedy) on to the American people.

What happened to the Democratic Party??

You’ll get nothing but coal in your stocking

to match your cold, dark and hard heart.

21 times?

For 21 calls Rahm has to tell Blogo no deal? Sounds to me like blago was of the price is free number after a contact or two.

Oblahma will not remove Rahm Em. Rahm Em will sing like the robin in spring if Oblahma he gets aborted.

Face it, the Democrats put a crook in the White House.

Impeach Obama!

Typical angry PUMA – when the facts hit you in the face like a wet noodle, distract distract distract.

Obama: The new Nixon…”I am not a crook”

“Hope and Change”??

More like “Greed and Corruption”

The day I see that headline I’ll start reading the paper again. I’ve been looking for months now.

who cares if it was pc or not pc….ferd..that was funny!

Angry? au contraire. You make me laugh. Alot.

man ferd you’re on a roll…”immaculate deception”…another great line.

any more excuses? lol

I wouldn’t say Obama smells like a rose. I’d say he reeks of corruption…and cigarette smoke.

Impeach the f***ing liar!

Olberman…..is that you?

everyone keeps saying bo’s team didn’t hatch a scheme…but you know, didn’t blago say “they told me I’d have to wait two years.” sorry, but no matter if the payoff is now or two years from now, that’s still a pay off. it’s just a deferred pay off. only thing is blago isn’t stupid..he knows bo can’t be trusted so he’d never give up something without having what he wanted first.

Thanks, I couldn’t find it anywhere

Isn’t Rahm an attorney?

And as an attorney is he not an agent of the courts?

Should he not have told the courts or head law enforcement official of illegal activity by the Govenor, If he was aware of it.

christ…december’s almost over. is the fraud ever going to Hawaii to hold a funeral for his grandmother??? what a P O S!!!!!!

bo didn’t attend the public memorial for the woman who raised him…and can’t be bothered to hold a private ceremony for her either. this guy is whacked.

who doesn’t attend their own mother’s funeral…or the funeral for the woman who raised him??? the woman sent him to ivy league schools?? he is just a creep.

Fitzgerald…it’s Fitzgerald and he said that Obama was not under indictment or not named in the complaint filed against Blagojevich. Big difference.

He doesn’t have to investigate Obama. The evidence will speak for itself.

21 contacts by Emanuel is too hard to hide or pass off. Emanuel acted on his own? Don’t think so… Obama is in deep shyt from the aspect of the lies he’s already told, the bogus internal investigation he’s tried to pass off and the unknown information Rezko, Blagojevich, Levine, et al have given to the feds.

LOL!!!

i need to quit my day job and become a journalist. i’ll sit on my backside and write bull based on my gut. but i’ll insist on being paid for it. that sounds ok.

the fraud seemed a bit testy…he apparently doesn’t like it when the press actually does their job.

just wait until this blows up even bigger when rezko starts singing…and blago starts singing. bo’s in for a long four years

being bothered by those pesky annoying reporters. remember..the msm may love to put their chosen ones on a pedestal and play kingmaker, but they also LOVE to knock the high and mighty off their perch. I for one can’t wait for that day to come.

What was that I heard—Was that the groan of a bus engine trying to get over all the people under it.

Good job, Joe Scarborough! Excellent job!

Gosh, I hope he keeps this up.

Indeed, that’s the fun of being honest, hard working people -unlike “The One”- we can speculate all we want !!

Heartland Dem, according to the pols in ILL, Blagojevich was the only one to do anything wrong or, at least, he and Rezko. Could it be you are politically naive or do you know all about pay to play and don’t care?

This is not about sending him or Obama to prison. If some questions had been asked of GWB and a little honest vetting had happened, if the American people had been told the truth about him eight years ago, we would be better off. The Republicans prevented that from happening then, so how can you justify the same attitude now?

This most definitely is not about your ego. It is about what’s best for us, the country and I am sick of spin and evasion. If he didn’t play the Board Game, he has nothing to worry about so why don’t we have some transparency instead of excuses?

I guess we can say “better late than never,” although it’s a real shame because we had two well deserving candidates who would have done a much better job than the clown. now we’re stuck with the eff’n circus.

lol, yes

I think the transmission is shot.

I loathe Bush but at least he waited until after his inauguration to step in the deep doodoo.

“What happened to the Democratic Party??”

I am sorry, but you have wasted your question. Please step out of the room.

Yes, I have questions.
What will you do?
…”smelling like a rose” is not how his own kids describe how he smells AND THEY WOULD KNOW! The quote by Michelle Obama was “stinky”, as in unclean.

Carp!

Got to give credit where credit is due. That was great. Somebody please make it stop.

Isn’t your shift over yet?

i’m sure you’ve all taken this poll but, i’m still pimpn the hell out of it.
news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/12/05/hot-seat-obamas-birth-certificate/

The lawyer that did the internal investigation goes under the bus with Rahm. It won’t work for BO but I can’t see any other way he can play it. It might buy him another day or two.

If he does make it to the inauguration, is he safe from indictment? I think it has to happen fairly soon.

Question: Do you believe that this is the ONLY evidence that Fitzgerald has on Blagojevich, Obama, etc?

Does anyone else remember this from the primaries?

2/26/08 – CTV reported that a senior member of Obama’s campaign called the Canadian embassy within the last month — saying that when Senator Obama talks about opting out of the free trade deal, the Canadian government shouldn’t worry. The operative said it was just campaign rhetoric not to be taken seriously. [CTV, 2/27/08]

2/26/08 – “Late Wednesday, Obama campaign said the staff member’s warning to Wilson sounded implausible, but did not deny that contact had been made. ‘Senator Obama does not make promises he doesn’t intend to keep,’ the spokesperson said.” [CTV, 2/27/08]

2/27/08 – “Earlier Thursday, the Obama campaign insisted that no conversations have taken place with any of its senior ranks and representatives of the Canadian government on the NAFTA issue.” [CTV, 2/29/08]

2/27/08 – Goolsbee: Canada’s consul general in Chicago contacted him ‘at one point to say ‘hello’ because their office is around the corner.’ [ABC, 2/29/08]

2/27/08 – Goolsbee: “I am not confirming or denying any meetings with anyone,’ Goolsbee told ABC News, directing queries to Bill Burton, Obama’s campaign spokesperson.” [ABC News, 2/29/08]

2/27/08 – “ABC News spoke to Goolsbee, Thursday, and who denied calling the Canadian embassy in Washington, or calling Rioux, but would “neither confirm nor deny” whether he had spoke to Rioux about Obama’s NAFTA rhetoric.” [ABC News, 2/29/08]

2/27/08 – CTV: “On Thursday night, CTV spoke with Goolsbee, but he refused to say whether he had such a conversation with the Canadian government office in Chicago. He also said he has been told to direct any questions to the campaign headquarters.” [CTV, 2/29/08]

2/27/08 – CTV: “The Obama campaign told CTV late Thursday night that no message was passed to the Canadian government that suggests that Obama does not mean what he says about opting out of NAFTA if it is not renegotiated.” [CTV, 2/29/08]

2/28/08 – Burton: “It’s telling that the Clinton campaign’s closing argument is based on a story run on a Canadian television station that’s already been debunked by the Canadian Embassy.” [ABC, 2/29/08]

2/28/08 – Burton: “Again, this story is not true. There was no one at any level of our campaign, at any point, anywhere, who said or otherwise implied Obama was backing away from his consistent position on trade. The only flip-flopping on NAFTA has come from Sen. Clinton, who talked about how good it was for America until she started running for President,” [ABC, 2/29/08]

2/28/08 – Sen. Obama: “The Canadian government put out a statement saying that this was just not true, so I don’t know who the sources were.” [CTV news, 2/29/08]

2/28/08 – Rice: “The Canadian ambassador issued a statement that was absolutely false. There had been no contact. There had been no discussions on NAFTA. So we take the Canadians at their word…period.” [MSNBC, 2/28/08]

2/29/08: Sen. Obama: “Our office has said the story is not true. It’s important for viewers to understand that it was not true.” Anchor: “So, completely inaccurate, did not happen, end of discussion.” Sen. Obama: “It did not happen.” [WKYC TV, 2/29/08]

2/29/08 – Goolsbee: “It is a totally inaccurate story…I did not call these people and I direct you to the press office.” [New York Observer, 2/29/08]

2/29/08 – Plouffe: “The story’s just not true…. No one in our campaign has said or otherwise implied that he would back away from his position on NAFTA.” [The Page, 2/29/08]

2/29/08 – Burton: “There was no one at any level of our campaign, at any point, anywhere, who said or otherwise implied Obama was backing away from his consistent position on trade.” [Politico, 2/29/08]

The Zero, via Rahm, put Blago on the lay away plan. First installment due now by way of an appointment and final payments due in 2 years.

PEBO got a tad testy today in his presser. How arrogant to say to the reporter asking the question “You don’t want to waste your question…”

Respectfully, heartland dem.

Ya’ll been standing in the mustard grass too long.

Furthermore, 21 (the number of spiritual lessons awaiting the Fool) is the sum of the first 6 digits, that is, 21 = 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6, a fact that was not lost on the original creators of the Tarot deck.

America is asleep.

Obama is not a citizen.

Obama is a liar about everything.

The courts wil not do anything about anything Obama does.

In fact, if the court finds out Obama is in deeper that they thought on this Blago shit guess what, Blago gets off free and clear. Yep!

Obama is the One who is in control and no one i repeat no one can stop him.

Obama is our dictator and we have no separation of powers.

Obama is all of them and our constitution is gone.

The courts do not matter any more.

Obama is the supreme ruler of this nation and the American People put him there.

There is nothing else to discuss.

You can bitch all you want about everything. But nothing is going to happen or change anything.

Obama is the supreme ruler of this country.

Nothing is as it seems.

Kennedy will be the next NY Senator. Hillary is bowing to the supreme one on this so Kennedy could get up on her Obama pony and ride ride ride……..

Obama being Obama…Thinking that the MSM will cover-up for him while he is involved in a pay to play scandal…When the Gov of Ill. was caught on tape not to pleased when Obama offered “Appreciation”… people don’t get. Blagojevich wants his $$$$ upfront (Lobby job for his wife for instance) while Obama wanted to keep it under the radar with installments over two years: “PROMISES = APPREICATION”… Understandably Blagojevich does not trust a fellow thug & went off on what ever of the 21 calls…. Also let’s not forget the person (s) in the FBI who leaked the wiretap to team Obama…Oh & to have a wiretap on a Gov…judges don’t grant that unless you have some strong evidence…Rezko singing like a canary … This will make Watergate look like Sunday school… All better read up on….

AMENDMENT XX
Passed by Congress March 2, 1932. Ratified January 23, 1933.
Note: Article I, section 4, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of this amendment. In addition, a portion of the 12th amendment was superseded by section 3.
Section 1.
The terms of the President and the Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.
Section 2.
The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.
Section 3.
If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
Section 4.
The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.
Section 5.
Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following the ratification of this article.
Section 6.
This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission.

Exactly – the evidence will speak for itself. But by then this site will have moved on to the next manufactured scandal. Yesterday it was an imaginary meeting between Blagojevich and Obama. Today it’s extrapolating a simple leaked statement into an admission of guilt. Two months ago it was athe “whitey tape”… can the angry Pumas keep this up a whole eight years?

What hasn’t been transparent about ANYTHING Obama has said, done or claimed here?

It’s only non-transparent if you believe he is lying!

Quid pro quo indeed.

Hearty demo:

Man you just can’t seem to get off enough! Are you working on #21?

Stop the hate!

Section 3 allows for a very messy process.

See – there is one of the oldest tricks in the book… “How long ago did you stop beating your wife?”

There is no “evidence” against Obama or Rahm. There are facts and there are opninons so far.

None of the facts, on their surface, implicate ANY wrong doing by Obama or Emanuel.

What happens to an Illinois senate seat is none of Soertoro/Obama’s business. He is finished with the Senate. He moved, illegally according to the election process, from the Legislative branch of government into the Executive branch of government. As a teacher of the constitution Soertoro should know that he doesn’t appoint a successor, the governor does that without any input from the previous occupant. There can be advice but that is all. Even a president doesn’t have the authority to make a governor obey him. That’s where Blagojevich went wrong; he should have just appointed someone instead of dealing with the Obama machine; they’re slippery than eels and have a shark’s bite when you don’t do what they say. I hope they get on with the trial and move on to the Obama Political Machine before any more damage is done to Our Country.

Nothing but personal insults on this site when facts get in the way. You are rediculous…

Better send JJjr with the message…

Who CNN is has reported has been an informant for the Feds for “10 years”.

Now ain’t that a peach! give the man a 12 gun salute!

@Ferd, you are very funny!

Maybe you should take it up with MOMO

God, you sound just like the Bushbots who claimed Bush knew nothing of Plame being outed by Rove. Not to mention you’re using the exact same arguments.

Heartland Dem,
If Obama’s Chicago ties and his involvement in the pay to play politics that are completely pervasive in IL are suitable for you, fine.But others see this as a problem.

If Blagojevich is guilty of wrong doing, Obama is as well. They all use the same tactics in Chicago.
Aside from the senate seat- look into: -Operation Board games
-The illegal appraisal of the Obama property subsidized by convitced felon, Rezko
-The political maneuvering which resulted in the privatizing of public housing and allocation of funds directly to Rezko which were misused and mishandled
-The appointment and pay raise given to Michelle Obama after Sen Obama’s allocation of funds to her workplace

To imply that Obama could survive much less succeed and prosper in the sewer of Chicago politics without getting wet is preposterous. Common sense fully dictates otherwise.

So again, if these types of actions are suitable for you and you value them as an attribute of your president, so be it. But do not insult the intelligence and decency of others by simply denying the obvious.

their hero

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Wow, Between this and the “Not a Natural Born Citizen” problem, Barry is up to his eyeball in poo. Remember, The Constitution and the Federalist papers (explaining the constitution in better detail) state that a Natural Born Citizen has 2 parents that are US Citizens and is born on American Soil. Barry’s Dad was born in Kenya (British Colony in 1961), and his Mom was a Minor (in 1961) when he was born. Barry’s Own Website states that at birth he held DUAL CITIZENSHIP due to his father being Kenyan. The British Nationality Act of 1948 states that his Father’s Citizenship Transfered to his children. Him Mom being 18, the constitution states that she had to be a Citizen of the US for more that 10 years, 5 of which needs to be after the age of 14 years. She was born in November, and she had him in August. 3 months shy to confer her US Citizenship upon her. It’s all in the Constitution and on Barry’s OWN website. Therefore he is NOT a “Natural Born Citizen” of the US, just a Naturalized Citizen. Citizen by LAW, not Citizen by BIRTH.

My posts keep getting munched. WC. Funny stuff.

It’s only non-transparent if you believe he is lying!

It’s not even transparent if you believe he’s telling the truth.
He should be releasing all communication between himself or any surrogate and Gov Blagojevich. He’s waiting it out like he always does, daring the press to even question him. He knows all the lies and half truths he’s told. He knows the questions that have never been asked- you just don’t.

You believe he’s transparent? He won’t even release the most commonly used and easily obtainable document in American society to calm the fears and prove his complete transparency to those he seeks to serve- his own birth certificate.

It’s a good thing you don’t need to see it to profess your undying love for a man you surely do not know because if you did, his answer to you is a BIG flip of the middle finger.

I’ve had that problem myself.

heartland dem; it’s good that you are starting realize why BO does not get gifts for his kids, he would have to explain the coal in his stocking…

Say, maybe BO has Pnumonomicroscopicsilicovolcanocoviosophobia?

– Fear of a lung disease caused by coal dust

Say didn’t Hillary Clinton work to get Dr. Carol help with her chronic lung problems caused by working at ground zero???

And Obama? Coal. Bah! Hum Bug!

Speaking of Coal, heartland dem, you honestly believe everything you read with using out an ounce of common sense?

speaking of coal chambers…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfWIKf0IfgA

Yup creepppppyyy!

and COLD!

Beebop,

I guess the questions asked of BO resemble shoes…

“No evidence is revealed so fart….”
“So Obama is so far smelling like a rose…”

Dude, by your own admission…..not really.

Heartland Dem,
“Fitzpatrick states that Obama is not under investigation” – WRONG!

He only said (drumroll), “there’s no reference in the complaint to any conversations involving the president-elect or indicating that the president-elect was aware of it, and that’s all I can say.”

Yes, Heartland, that means what is means. There was no reference to Obama in that paperwork filed last week.
Big deal! Surely you realize this investigation is in the early stages and little fish lead to bigger fish…
Tisk-tisk!

I’m not really convinced that the American people out him there. I think everyone could have stayed home on 11/4 and Obama would have had millions of votes anyway. This election was bought and paid for by someone and they bought their puppet. Their problem is going to be that narcissists don’t play puppet very long.

Heartland, I’m not going to reprise all of the evasions and misstatements of the last year. It would be a waste of time since we both know you will never accept the truth.

There are still some who think Richard Nixon was framed or we never landed on the moon. I believe he has been lying since the day he announced his presidency. I believe GWB lied.

Obama denied doing something anyone would expect him to do; Make recommendations for the appointment of the senate seat he is vacating.

I’m going to make a wild guess here, but I imagine someone from his office has already spoken to Gov. Patterson about Hillary’s replacement. Why wouldn’t he have talked to Blago? It’s perfectly logical. But, he said he didn’t. Has Emanuel or someone else spoken with Patterson? I wonder if he would answer that question?

Transparency: as used in the humanities, when used in a social context, implies openness, communication, and accountability. It is a metaphorical extension of the meaning a “transparent” object is one that can be seen through. Transparent procedures include open meetings, financial disclosure statements, the freedom of information legislation, budgetary review, audits, etc.

Not Obama.

Unfortunately for many of us, Americans get the garbage they voted for or get the garbage that has been imposed upon them. Either way, and unless we rebel, we’re stuck with the garbage…

Heartland, don’t you think someone should as if he or anyone on his team has been in contact with Gov. Patterson re. filling Hillary Clinton’s seat in NY? Is that a yes or no?

Heartland needs to know…it’s Fitzgerald!!!

The fact of the matter is, Heartland, you are extrapolating information, or spinning it, to suit your notion that Obama is not guilty at any point or level.

That simply doesn’t fly as Obama was named in the opening statements of the Rezko trial as one of two politicians that Rezko had dealings with. Do you know who the other one was that was named?

Wait for it….

Blagojevich

Now please inform yourself as to the true Obama by reading Pringle’s expose on Obama.

Since your not a investigative journalist and Pringle is…guess who we’re more apt to believe.

Hyperbole. Always here. I don’t love the man – at least in the way that you people slavishly drooled all over the Clintons. I am in love with the idea of a fresh start and an administration that is sober and gets things done for the good of the country. So far I am very impressed with the choices and hte staff Obama is picking. It’s funny too – because they are solid experienced performers, as I knew they would be. By this site, you would have thought he was going to promote Farakkhan to SOS. Angry Pumas…

I don’t give a shit what color Michelle Obama’s inaugural dress is, although I’m sure that will be the subject of at least 5 blog posts here. That seems to be the level of discourse here.

heartland dem, I did not state anything that was not fact and beside the question still stands.

What will you do?

I seek to insult no one.

heartland dem are you one of those fools that don’t lock your door when you leave home?

Do you tell your children to leave with strangers, if they have a great gut feeling about them, especially if they offer them candy?

Do you hitchhike and believe other stupid for not doing it?

The reason why normal people do those things is because we don’t like getting robbed or kidnapped. We don’t take chances, with out lives and with things that are important to us. The problem is not that we see problems with obama, the problems is you don’t. After having bush and his cabinet use our treasury for an atm, i CARE if my future president is involved in simular activity. It’s not a distraction it’s common sense.

Fresh start eh? It must kill you that they’re starting the investigation on BOBO’s whitewater housing deal with his BFF tony resko.

Yup, there’s nothing like a fresh start to a repeat of the nineties. Yes sir ree bob….. nothing like it.

So Heartland, you have intimate knowledge of the reported 21 ringy dingy‘s?

Yikes wildchild!

Ah, you just qualified your own statement – on their surface – so what’s your argument?

No one buying your point of view, so what do you need – validation?

Okay, so as much as you know, you are correct. However, if you would care to educate yourself, you conclusion might be different.

However, the whole scenario is just unfolding. No need to feel you must be the champion for Obama.

Fact of the matter: NO one on here knows what the feds know. It’s speculation on our parts but it is absolutely speculation on your part, Heartland, that Obama is not involved.

You simply do not have enough information to make that blanket judgement and expect those that have in depth information on the machinations of Obama, Chicago, the Rezko deals, etc to believe you.

Your time would be better spent educating yourself as to the real Obama.

I prefer to play “21″

What in the world are you talking about? Try making some sense.

@candymarl; I can’t wait till we get to the part about “two turtle dove” …

In BO’s case they are pigeons, but hey why sweat the details?

“All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities.

Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
Frank Herbert (DUNE)

Well, it is true that sharing the approved list of potential replacements is expected and appropriate.

But when it takes 21 phone calls to relay 5 names…..? That really suggests there were offers going back and forth, actual discussions, deal making. I can say 5 names in ONE phone call… how are they going to explain why it took 21 calls to do that?

You still didn’t answer the question, heartland.

Frank Herbert has a lot of good quotes – Here’s another – very apropos…
A mental epidemic leaps from person to person across leagues. It is overwhelmingly contagious. It strikes at the unprotected side, in the place where we lodge the fragments of other such plagues. Who can stop such a thing? The thing has roots in chaos.

The KoolAid.

Joe Scarborough’s rant on TV was the most eloquent depiction of poor journalism, captured by the media this year. Thank you Joe for the gift. It captured the sheer incompetence of the MSM. It showed what a good editor would demand, and what the lazy editors and journalists are doing. Their inept coverage of the election would make Edward R. Murrow roll over in his grave. It was absolutely perfect. Did you notice that neither journalist had a reasonable or adequate response to JS questions? They acted like, why are you asking me? no one has asked me those questions before? I KNOW WHAT IS RIGHT! I can tell America what is right and wrong, and Obama is right.

They were asked fundamental journalism questions. It is amazing that both veteran journalists just sat there and gave idiotic responses. It goes to show you that their editors have not even questioned their ethics or professionalism, because if they had been questioned in the past about this, they are quick enough and smart enough to throw back a typical neutral response, however they could not. They were blind sided in their own profession, because they are no longer professionals, they have turned themselves into mindless hacks. It was a truly graphic snap shot of what is going on in the news media. JS was doing what a good editor should be doing. Now we have insight into what is really going on and now we can see how poor the editors and the journalists in the MSM really are!!!!

heartland dem, dang what a tacky, tacky rather clumsy troll you are! back at ya!

well mary ole heartland doesn’t have a heart. maybe santa fitz will bring him one for xmas. oh that’s right, he’s been a very bad troll.

Keep changing the subject… How about we talk about his birth certificate again as well.

My point has not been refuted, that in regards to THIS investigation, NOTHING illegal or unethical has been uncovered or even intimated. Unless you feel that Emanuel speaking to the sitting Governor about a vacated seat is illegal. It clearly is not on it’s face, and I can’t WAIT to hear the actual details. Please promise to come back to the relevant thread so I may laugh at you or you may laugh at me, won’t you?

Deal?

I believe a parent being a US citizen mattters ONLY IF you are NOT born on US soil. The bit about his mom not being old enough only comes into play if Obama was NOT born in Hawaii.

If he was truly born in Hawaii, he is a citizen, regardless of his parents (pregnant Mexicans run over the border to have their kids here so they’ll be citizens).

The other issue is whether he had Indonesian citizenship, giving up his US citizenship during that time.

barrington i believe the stipulation about being born on american soil is very concise on that point. the question in most minds is why won’t obama show his birth certificate, harvard grades, medical records, etc. he wants us to follow him and trust him yet he hides the very thing any politican has been glad to share when running for president. scratch head and wonder!

It’s a real shame BOBO had to lie about a perfectly legal activity. Don’t you think?

who doesn’t attend their own mother’s funeral…or the funeral for the woman who raised him?

Caligula. We better keep a close watch on him.

Start a small magazine on the back of another and sell them two for the price of one.

Don’t say that. Slap in the face! People may cry. We will fight against a dictator.

There are witnesses in Kenya that attest he was born in Kenya. Witnesses.

He has lied so many times, explicitly and in public that the bc is now required – he is not trustworthy.

You must feel like a prince with all this attention you are getting. At least you are transparent. People like you, who must respond to everyone and everything, are actually good to prompt discussion. Keep doing what you are doing but watch your insults. Every now and then you make sense, but your points are lost because you act as if you already know everything.

You make dozens of calls to your enemies over nothing? Yikes! Why would you do that?

Look at who he works for for Christ’s sake!!!!!

Do you think that his network was going to be supportive of pulling 0bama’s pants down and exposing the fact that the man has an ass?

Please. Joe did way more than most of the professionally trained journalists any where to raise red flags. Way more. And for his pains, he was branded the token republican.

-=chortle=-

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

Don’t kid yourselves. He will be sworn in. All of the savages in suits have clams in the game. Last thing they want is world panic. Give the economy two years to come back and the shit hits the fan. Which is why a number of conservatives are urging the Republicans to ease up. This stuff isn’t going away. It’s only going to accrue more interest. And everyone wins except for barky. The media has stories. The comedians have material. The economy recovers. The unions get stronger. New careers are developed. The only loser? The one at the top. Watch him to age faster than any previous occupant of the WH. It will be sped up and he will be a wreck by time the boom is lowered. It won’t be soon because the US of A can’t afford it. But it is coming. In the mean time, my new favorite song is Carly Simon’s Anticipation — imagine how much it really really sucks to be Barack Insane 0bama ….

what do people think obama’s land deal with Rezko was? It has *pay to play* all over it. Rezko bought the lot, and Obama awarded contracts to Rezko…if that isn’t pay to play, i don’t know what is.

wasn’t it obama who said *the buck stops with him*? he is the one who makes final decisions? I could swear i heard him say those things..

So, that said, Rahm talking to Blago IS Obama talking to Blago, no? If not, and Rahm was speaking to Blago without consent of Obama, he should probably be fired, no?

I have been saying this forever. In 1933, we anticipated that the President-Elect might not qualify for the job, when states ratified the 20th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. In other words, that BO is ineligible will not create a Constitutional crisis; that is, as long as Congress admits his deception before January 20, 2009.

Not an attorney…that’s the first thing I checked when questions arose as to his duty to disclose. Good for you.

“They”? The DNC is a private club that selects candidates to place onto state ballots. And in most states, citizens wrote laws, through their elected D legislators, that entitle the names of Party candidates to get onto the ballots in the states. In other words, “they” is we.

Is that just your opinon ? It was my understanding under the law at the time of birth Obama’s mother would not have been old enough to confer citizenship.

“If a child is born abroad and one parent was a U.S. Citizen, which would have been his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother would have had to live ten (10) years in the United States, five (5) of which were after the age of fourteen (14). At the time of Obama’s birth, his mother was only eighteen (18) and therefore did not meet the residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship”

yeah that sounds about right to me!

so sad…

i still have that frampton live album somewhere….

a. hillary
b. mccain

america first!

his own grandmother…

21. You win.

Right, and Cheney was completely exonerated after the Valerie Plame investigation.

don’t you mean exposing the fact that the man is an ass

Does Fitzgerald know about this???? Did Obama get the ENTIRE $600,000 lot (not part of it as alleged) from the Rezkos for $125,000? From Jo Chgo over at TD blog:

I put the assessor’s parcel number into our friend Google, and this old blog post (APril 2008) from the Chicago Sun-Times pulled up. Hiding all in plain sight. What does it mean?

By Anna on April 26, 2008 4:42 PM
Dear Natasha and Chicago Sun Times Reporters,-
This link has some very curious information, some of which, I include below. If true this raises some questions for Sen. Obama (and some eyebrows) – Is this property linked to the bail of Tony Rezko?http://www.democrats.org/page/community/blog/mikestein
“Examine the Cook County land records:
“The deed for the house that the Obama’s purchased for $300k less than the asking price is from Frederic Wondisford and his wife, Sally Radovic, to the Obama’s Northern Trust Company Land Trust #10209 (established as such for “confidentiality”) is dated 15 June 2005 and is recorded 21 June 2005 as Document #0517233010. Declared value is $1,650,000.00.The deed for the vacant lot is from Wondisford/Radovic to Rita M. Rezko. This deed is dated 15 June 2005 and recorded a day earlier, on 20 June 2005 as Document #0517133004. Declared value is $625,000.00. Examination of the Cook County records very clearly indicates that Rita M. Rezko conveyed the entire lot to Obama’s Northern Trust Company Land Trust #10209 on 11 January 2006 and recorded 16 February 2006 as Document #0604733162. Declared value is $104,500.00.VERY IMPORTANTLY, thorough and careful examination of all Cook County land records fails to locate a deed back to Rita M. Rezko from the Obama’s Northern Trust Company Land Trust #10209.There is a “wild’ deed indicated from Rita M. Rezko to “5050 S. Greenwood LLC”. This is an Illinois limited liability corporation with the same address as Rezmar Corporation that is registered to the indicted Tony Rezko. (This deed is considered “wild” because it is not supported by any ownership deed from the Obama’s Land Trust.) Furthermore, Tony Rezko’s registered corporation, 5050 S. Greenwood LLC, then pledges the entire vacant lot in favor of a mortgage THAT IS STILL OPEN with Fifth Third Bank for the amount of $375,000.00. This is Document #0703357023 recorded 2 February 2007. THUS, THE ENTIRE VACANT LOT IS TITLED TO SEN. BARACK AND MICHELLE OBAMA (IN THEIR LAND TRUST FOR CONFIDENTIALITY) AND ALLOWED BY SENATOR BARACK AND MICHELLE OBAMA TO BE PLEDGED BY A TONY REZKO CORPORATION TO SECURE A LOAN.
This is contrary to what has been stated by Senator Obama; contrary to what has been stated by Senator Obama’s campaign staff: and contrary to what has been reported. It must be noted that a seemingly intelligent Harvard educated attorney does not make such unknowing errors as stated above. The above is obvious intent not “oversight”.
The home property description is 20-11-115-034-0000
The (entire) lot description is 20-11-115-035-0000
Originally, the entire piece of property was one description…so that the Obama’s could afford purchase, they pressed for the split. To do this, the county had to assign two property descriptions for each conveyance…and so that they could close on the same day as insisted by seller.Thus, to answer your question, which can very easily be determined…to sell only a portion of the lot, there would have to be assigned two (new) property descriptions for the lot…but that was never done and, obviously, not desired or requested.Proof positive that Obama and Rezko are partners. Everything that he said was false…Note, too, that Obama’s campaign stated that Rita Rezko sold the lot to Michael Sreenam, one of her husband’s attorneys…as the fable goes, for a profit…to make the whole scenario plausible…”
full post available at above noted link.

By midwestvaluz on April 27, 2008 11:21 AM
One hopes there will be follow-up on Anna’s posting.

By jp,michigan on April 27, 2008 11:52 AM
People need to know this information . Why was it not reported to the news agenies?

By Anna on April 27, 2008 3:44 PM
There is another curious posting that looks at the very odd way this property seems to have been “divided” and questions concerning Michelle Obama’s seat on the board of the Commission of Chicago Landmarks. Please follow the link to the report.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/4/20117/25087
How To Buy A Mansion You Can’t Afford
by truthteller2007, Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 08:11:07 PM EST
JP, Michigan – I don’t know if either of these individuals who researched and reported the information attempted to contact the media. Frankly, the only news people that seem to have the guts to dig into this story are the Sun Times Reporters and that’s why I submitted the link and info as soon as I found it, hoping they would allow the posting.
Sun Times Reporters – please let us know if this information is valid or not. Thanks again for your outstanding reporting. And Bravo on the well deserved award you received!

By Bessie on April 27, 2008 5:25 PM
What is with this Alsammarae guy, he escapes from Iraq, his $160 million dollar Chamchamal deal falls through, he’s wanted by Interpol, he’s seen in a 60 Minute report “Sate of Corruption” with George Bush. Rezko, Mahru,Frawley and AlSammarae were all partners to build a Electricity plant for Iraq which turned out to be a scam. In the Human Events report “The Fugitive” he said that he went to school with Rezko at ITT back in 1970. Dosn’t the F.B.I. have some sort of relationship with Interpol, some kind of obligation to deliver him back? He has already been found guilty in Iraq.

This may remind you of Barack Hussein Obama:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7787654.stm.

No license, no birth certificate? No job.

[...] Emanuel was recorded 21 times by Patrick Fitsgerald. This is from NOQuarters: According to Michael Sneed of the Chicago Sun-Times, Rahm Emanuel was not recorded in one, two, [...]

Always look for the qualifier in political speak!
Each adjective is inserted to nullify any statement…each one is always amendable at a later date.
That’s the real beauty of the art of politics…bob and weave, never commit, never get pinned down!

another question: have you taken your sleeping pils?

Good luck with that.

To me this is a game changer. Why aren’t people outrage at this. Obama was explicitly asked questions on this during the primaries against Hillary and he answer fraudulently to the MSM and the public. That need to have consequences otherwise elections are worthless. Obama committed fraud on the voters just like ACORN did. No different. They were one and the same, two faces of the same coin.

Soldier of C: I notice you never fail to take a shot at Hillary no matter the topic. Listen I know you are highly disappointed in her actions and behavior; so am I. As a black woman I admired her greatly and followed her and all the pitfalls of her campaign. She initially made one huge mistake and after that she doomed herself. That mistake was not listening to her husband who tried to advise her to fight the racism charges forcefully during the SC primary. He immediately tried (without her permission) by going on black talk radio programs like Tom Joyner. As we say in the black vernacular, he “clowned” on them for even suggesting he or she were racist. He understood the devastation of the charges, SHE DID NOT. She should have allowed him to continue his efforts but she insisted he cease saying that she called the shots in her campaign. That was a major mistake on her part not his. She followed up on that mistake by not pounding on his lack of achievements and accomplishments. Instead she allowed herself to be put on the defense about her own record, especially her foreign policy record. She kept backing off him as did Mccain. Her every move since suspending her campaign has been a detriment to her political future. The problem is that again she doesn’t know it. Give Obama less than 2 years and she will be replaced with Susan Rice as SOS. Caroline Kennedy will have her senate seat and she will be “knocked” out of the party. She will be used as a patsy.

Incidentally she has not endorsed Caroline but how does she dare oppose her especially since she is a woman? As I understand it, she has merely asked her supporters not to involve her in any action to oppose Caroline. These are the actions of one who was on top but now will be at the bottom; an object of pity. SHE BLEW IT AT A CRITICAL POINT, (NOT LISTENING TO HER HUSBAND) SOMETIMES YOU CAN’T RECOVER. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED TO HER. SHE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO RUN AGAINST A “BLACK” GUY.

Your example of pregnant Mexicans running over the border to give birth so the babies are citizens of the US does not fit. They still could not be POTUS because they are not natural born citizens (both parents were not citizens at the time of the child’s birth). Did you watch the video that explains this aspect?