Paid off, though, didn’t it. I believe the German citizenry cast zero votes for McCain as a result.

Isn’t that interesting. By way of reminder, the concern of those actually protesting the war at the time was the pointless destruction rained down upon southeast asia and its unlucky denizens.

I don’t believe your tale, rodent, and I pity those here who do. It seems far more likely, based on your post and comments here, that you watched on TV, and like Dubya, supported the war but didn’t want to actually fight it.

Your use of the third person in your post is the most basic tell, i.e., you do not say “I did this” but instead say “NewHampster did this”.

Odd that Dubya used the same phraseology you did in answer to a reporter’s question back in the day, when asked why he didn’t serve in ‘nam, despite his support for the war. He said he didn’t want to die face down in a rice paddy, and therefore joined the TANG to learn how to fly an airplane.

Brave man. And so are you.

I wouldn’t change a thing.

The laughing stock of the internet.

Agreed. It’s kind of cozy and warm here at NO QUARTER! I love the people, love the posts….
It’s my refuge and asylum from the insanity and inanity of this and every other “marketing election”

Thank you for an insightful post here….I remember getting 120 words per min. Pitman Award/certificate in highschool and feeling vindicated for all those damn typing courses I signed up for! They helped me get a job in a law office as law clerk and a few years later I decided to go to Law School. The senior partner, Mr. Robertson, said kindly to me, and I shall never forget it: “Girls only go to law school through the back door, Mary! But go ahead. You’ll do fine.” The other, more savvy partner, who became a Chief Justice a decade later, wrote me a reference letter praising my research and “great typing skills”~! This was bacdk in the 70s, but I found I received great encouragement from the older partners whereas the younger ‘articling students-at-law’ were condescending and, yup, sexist. And guess what the sign above my typewriter said:

” YEAR OF THE WOMAN–WHY NOT?
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As Hillary’s campaign taught us, there are many NOTs for us still to overcome. But really, I don’t feel we’ve come such a long way, baby, after all these years. I feel there was more respect for us back then. Now we are, regardless of our professional standing, all prey to the “young poisons” and their misogynist proclivities. How the hell did they acquire them? Are we responsible? No! It’s the misogynist media.

So, let’s get more girls and women in 3 areas:

a) Media
b) Politics
c) Advertising (yes, images count!)

sorry for this digression, but I’ve enjoyed th

Thank you! Thank you! Brilliant post!

I am saving this No Quarter Edition for posterity.
Well said….and how prophetic. Let’s hope the misogynist media frat-boys & gals will see the Light and get cured fast of their OBA-MYOPIA!!!

Point. Was I against the Vietnam war and is that why I supported McGovern? I marched with millions of others to protest the war but dang if I wasn’t happy as a lamb when my draft lottery number came up very high. Looking back, I know that from the day of the lottery in ’69 or ’70 my concern for the war dropped ever so slightly. My concern and I think the concern of so many others, was that middle class guys like me were dying in the rice paddies and I didn’t want to die over there.

I supported McGovern because I come from a Democratic family that taught us to make choices and then support them. My choice in ’68 was left on the sidewalks of Chicago.
Example of real feet on the street support, not bloggers or marchers but people who volunteer for a campaign and knock on doors and make phone calls. I’ve volunteered in almost every Presidential campaign. There are always the teen children of supporters which is what I was in ’72. Try to imagine the real opposition to the Irag war if we still had a draft. Just try and imagine the blogging, 20 something, Obama loving, white kid students quaking in their pants at the possibility of getting a letter from the draft board. Everything was different back then because of the draft. The two times cannot be fairly compared.

Those kids are there because Mom or Dad is there. My son voted for Obama because his mom did. In either case I will debate you all day that they have no real knowledge of the issues. And I wiould find the polls and videos to back up the argument that most voters, on all sides, have no knowledge of the issues. They vote GOP because they or their family always have. They voted for Hillary because we loved Bill or maybe thought a woman was good but I think that especially the young supporters of Hillary were no different than the Obama supporters of that age. They vote or give allegiance for peer pressure reasons, because of family and in some instances for real legit reasons. My daughter read all of Hill’s writings, met her, worked in NYC and cried with me when the nomination was stolen. Then she joined her boyfriend in supporting Obama and learned to ignore all the facts she had previously understood. That my friend is the real world not the fairy tale world of Bambi.

Obama is the PEBO because Axelrod ran the most incredible branding campaign in marketing history. You read at Fast Company and other places for articles about the Branding of Obama or even search dKos for a diary by NewHampster titled The Brand Called Obama. I refuse to link to that site.

You, the media and others ignore the value of the concerts. The free lead-ins to an Obama speech. The top German rock bands that preceded him before the Berlin event or the bands that pulled in the kids in Portland or any number of places. Axelrod and all good political operatives know that once you get them there, once people make a physical commitment, once they are part of a larger group, they are very tough to change. They may not know why they are there except for the music but the even has them cheering for Obama and offering their support by doing so. It is psychology plain and simple.

I’m full of crap you say. I stood for 3 days on a corner in Scranton, PA holding a sign for Hillary. Yes she won the state and the city and it was never in real doubt. Where I stood was at the entrance to U. of Scranton. A major intercection with walk lights and kids stopping to chat with friends while waiting to cross. Hundreds of college students walked by me every day, stopped to chat.

So, the day or two days before the primary, Obama came to Scranton and spoke that night at a rally in some field house. I heard one or two groups of kids speak about going to see Obama that night. More often and very often I heard kids ask their friends, “are you going to the free concert tonight?”.