Comments on: Noam Chomsky, You, and Me http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9086/noam-chomsky-you-and-me/ Sun, 27 May 2012 12:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: News Round Up: Blago, Obama Politics, Misogyny, and More | Red Hot & Blue Politics http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9086/noam-chomsky-you-and-me/#comment-1106052 News Round Up: Blago, Obama Politics, Misogyny, and More | Red Hot & Blue Politics Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:29:35 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=9086#comment-1106052 [...] Noam Chomsky: Obama the “brand” and “media creation”. [...] [...] Noam Chomsky: Obama the “brand” and “media creation”. [...]

]]> By: FembotsForObama http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9086/noam-chomsky-you-and-me/#comment-1099993 FembotsForObama Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:53:56 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=9086#comment-1099993 correction WHO does that anymore? except for the usual Fox, and Rush, Hannity, and now the alternative blogosphere? correction

WHO does that anymore?

except for the usual Fox, and Rush, Hannity, and now the alternative blogosphere?

]]> By: FembotsForObama http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9086/noam-chomsky-you-and-me/#comment-1099990 FembotsForObama Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:52:15 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=9086#comment-1099990 The reason I like Chomsky is he speaks "truth to power." Some of it may be wrong, and I've heard him admit mistakes of which Pol Pot is one, but overall he <strong>questions authority.</strong><em> I didn't like his in effect endorsement of Obama, thought he had bought the kool aid, but I'm glad to see that he does feel that Obama is a brand and at least is questioning him now about substantive things. WHO does that anymore?</em> The reason I like Chomsky is he speaks “truth to power.” Some of it may be wrong, and I’ve heard him admit mistakes of which Pol Pot is one, but overall he questions authority.

I didn’t like his in effect endorsement of Obama, thought he had bought the kool aid, but I’m glad to see that he does feel that Obama is a brand and at least is questioning him now about substantive things.

WHO does that anymore?

]]> By: FembotsForObama http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9086/noam-chomsky-you-and-me/#comment-1099980 FembotsForObama Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:46:46 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=9086#comment-1099980 Annie, they also <strong>used</strong><em> to care about censorship, but that went out the window when Google was supporting Obama</em> Annie, they also used to care about censorship, but that went out the window when Google was supporting Obama

]]> By: FembotsForObama http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9086/noam-chomsky-you-and-me/#comment-1099965 FembotsForObama Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:40:07 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=9086#comment-1099965 Doesn't this follow my <strong>either people take responsibility for actions or they don't meme</strong><em>? A lot of Democrats have consistently failed to take responsibility for their roles in these messes. Without the Democrats' complicity, Bush couldn't have done nearly as much as he did (that is, messing things up). When are they going to throw off the Daddy Obama and grow up?</em> Doesn’t this follow my either people take responsibility for actions or they don’t meme?

A lot of Democrats have consistently failed to take responsibility for their roles in these messes. Without the Democrats’ complicity, Bush couldn’t have done nearly as much as he did (that is, messing things up).

When are they going to throw off the Daddy Obama and grow up?

]]> By: FembotsForObama http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9086/noam-chomsky-you-and-me/#comment-1099955 FembotsForObama Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:33:04 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=9086#comment-1099955 xax, interesting distinction I'm pretty much in agreement with you. Having worked in government for over a decade, you see the effect of bad policies based on good intentions, or those side effects that were unknown until the actual carrying out of a particular policy occurs. Also, I tend to see people as a split between those who don't take responsibility for their actions and those who do (circumstances notwithstanding). I grew up fairly poor but at some point you have to get off the government trough. So I would guess I'm in the solidly Liberal camp. The term I like to describe the Bots is <em>neo-Liberals</em> or <em>neo-progressives</em>, because like Bush's supporters when he had them it is devotion to a particular leader that separates them from us. What they refuse to do is see any bad in their leader. Even those of us who still supported Clinton during Monica knew he was guilty. These Bots seem to believe that Obama can do no wrong and is motivated by a higher spiritual source so he is immune from corruption and being a politician. xax, interesting distinction

I’m pretty much in agreement with you. Having worked in government for over a decade, you see the effect of bad policies based on good intentions, or those side effects that were unknown until the actual carrying out of a particular policy occurs. Also, I tend to see people as a split between those who don’t take responsibility for their actions and those who do (circumstances notwithstanding). I grew up fairly poor but at some point you have to get off the government trough. So I would guess I’m in the solidly Liberal camp.

The term I like to describe the Bots is neo-Liberals or neo-progressives, because like Bush’s supporters when he had them it is devotion to a particular leader that separates them from us. What they refuse to do is see any bad in their leader. Even those of us who still supported Clinton during Monica knew he was guilty. These Bots seem to believe that Obama can do no wrong and is motivated by a higher spiritual source so he is immune from corruption and being a politician.

]]> By: FembotsForObama http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9086/noam-chomsky-you-and-me/#comment-1099911 FembotsForObama Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:58:33 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=9086#comment-1099911 yeah, but what's with the ring on Barry's wedding finger? I second you on Barry being in the closet. Believed that since his 2006 national exposure. That's gonna be the biggest secret of his administration, forget the birth certificate. yeah, but what’s with the ring on Barry’s wedding finger?

I second you on Barry being in the closet. Believed that since his 2006 national exposure. That’s gonna be the biggest secret of his administration, forget the birth certificate.

]]> By: SportPolitics http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9086/noam-chomsky-you-and-me/#comment-1098510 SportPolitics Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:44:29 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=9086#comment-1098510 From your link: " In April of 2008, President Bush signed into law S.1858 which allows the federal government to screen the DNA of all newborn babies in the U.S. ..." The point is - THE PROGRESSIVE CONGRESS WROTE AND PASSED THE LAW - and wether or not Bush signed it, THE CONGRESS CAN MAKE IT LAW ANYWAY - A MERE OVERRIDE OF A POTUS VETO - OR THE POTUS IGNORES IT AND IT BECOMES LAW. The president did not do this- CONGRESS DID IT ! _______________________________________________ This nation will be DESTROYED unless people come to this realization, and the sooner the better. From your link: ” In April of 2008, President Bush signed into law S.1858 which allows the federal government to screen the DNA of all newborn babies in the U.S. …”
The point is – THE PROGRESSIVE CONGRESS WROTE AND PASSED THE LAW – and wether or not Bush signed it, THE CONGRESS CAN MAKE IT LAW ANYWAY – A MERE OVERRIDE OF A POTUS VETO – OR THE POTUS IGNORES IT AND IT BECOMES LAW.
The president did not do this- CONGRESS DID IT !
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This nation will be DESTROYED unless people come to this realization, and the sooner the better.

]]> By: SportPolitics http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9086/noam-chomsky-you-and-me/#comment-1098501 SportPolitics Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:24:15 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=9086#comment-1098501 Haven't you heard ? Patriotism is a very real danger. "Jingoistic love of ones nation means you would follow Hitler to the grave" only for the USA though, otherwise you are a minuteman freedom fighter. "Nations are BAD things in a global world, and anyone for the USA is crapping on most of the world's people"... "remove the worlds borders!" they scream ( I guess their psychotic mind tells them that will bring world peace ) That's what they tell us nowadays - then the same preaching psychos scream about outsourcing and "America" losing jobs... (suddenly it's 100% moral, honest, loving, defensive, beautiful, wonderful, the right thing to do, - to be a hardcore USA defender and supporter) - those same people SCREAMED decades ago the poor of the world needed to be brought up from the 3rd world to modernity (decades before Bush or "The Gap" study of PNAC) - and the neocons went to do business and make it happen - but now that's exploitation, and worse, it's now raping and taking... taking American jobs...- and those same people SCREAMED they HATE the rich corporate owners and " rulers" - and those who were hated with such a vile, mean, searing hatred left the nation to be overseas closed down USA plants and put them overseas (I certainly don't blame them *the most hated people ever*)- to get away from the protesting hate mongers- and those same people SCREAMED "you outsourcer!"-- See, LYING PSYCHOS in the merriam webster for understanding. Alternately see: View from Mars Haven’t you heard ? Patriotism is a very real danger. “Jingoistic love of ones nation means you would follow Hitler to the grave” only for the USA though, otherwise you are a minuteman freedom fighter. “Nations are BAD things in a global world, and anyone for the USA is crapping on most of the world’s people”… “remove the worlds borders!” they scream ( I guess their psychotic mind tells them that will bring world peace )
That’s what they tell us nowadays – then the same preaching psychos scream about outsourcing and “America” losing jobs… (suddenly it’s 100% moral, honest, loving, defensive, beautiful, wonderful, the right thing to do, – to be a hardcore USA defender and supporter) – those same people SCREAMED decades ago the poor of the world needed to be brought up from the 3rd world to modernity (decades before Bush or “The Gap” study of PNAC) – and the neocons went to do business and make it happen – but now that’s exploitation, and worse, it’s now raping and taking… taking American jobs…- and those same people SCREAMED they HATE the rich corporate owners and ” rulers” – and those who were hated with such a vile, mean, searing hatred left the nation to be overseas closed down USA plants and put them overseas (I certainly don’t blame them *the most hated people ever*)- to get away from the protesting hate mongers- and those same people SCREAMED “you outsourcer!”–
See, LYING PSYCHOS in the merriam webster for understanding. Alternately see: View from Mars

]]> By: SportPolitics http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9086/noam-chomsky-you-and-me/#comment-1098477 SportPolitics Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:38:57 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=9086#comment-1098477 Well they told themselves how much they love a mverick for how many years ? They told us GWB was a uniter - and he clearly pissed off every conservative past recall in the nation ten times each. So it looks to me like they tell themselves. The reason we got Palin under mcctraitor/mclame was that pick remains a public secret till anounced, so the media had no control and persuasion. Yes, the media, they all decide, group think, open focus grouping - copying copy 100 times a day - and bus wheels for dissenters. You know the NYT "sets the tone" and all the sheepleheads follow. Well they told themselves how much they love a mverick for how many years ? They told us GWB was a uniter – and he clearly pissed off every conservative past recall in the nation ten times each.
So it looks to me like they tell themselves. The reason we got Palin under mcctraitor/mclame was that pick remains a public secret till anounced, so the media had no control and persuasion.
Yes, the media, they all decide, group think, open focus grouping – copying copy 100 times a day – and bus wheels for dissenters. You know the NYT “sets the tone” and all the sheepleheads follow.

]]> By: gil http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9086/noam-chomsky-you-and-me/#comment-1098274 gil Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:21:31 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=9086#comment-1098274 Oh my goodness - you people praising Chomsky? He who has called the United States the greatest purveyor of Terrorism in the world? Who consistently denounces the militarist policies of Israel. Who has said that if the Nuremberg principles were applied today, every president since WWII would have been convicted of war crimes. That, Noam Chomsky? If anyone on "the left" who supported Obama or even the man himself had indicated even a smattering of support for these positions during the election, you guys would have had a freaking field day. Chutzpah, thy name is No Quarter. Oh my goodness – you people praising Chomsky?

He who has called the United States the greatest purveyor of Terrorism in the world?

Who consistently denounces the militarist policies of Israel.

Who has said that if the Nuremberg principles were applied today, every president since WWII would have been convicted of war crimes.

That, Noam Chomsky?

If anyone on “the left” who supported Obama or even the man himself had indicated even a smattering of support for these positions during the election, you guys would have had a freaking field day.

Chutzpah, thy name is No Quarter.

]]> By: bemused http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9086/noam-chomsky-you-and-me/#comment-1097694 bemused Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:04:49 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=9086#comment-1097694 My catechism was that you should believe the best you can about others, due to your imperfect knowledge of their inner selves; but in any case G-d doesn't require that we be complete fools about people whose actions are questionable, and allow others to take unfair advantage of us. I find that a useful guide. My catechism was that you should believe the best you can about others, due to your imperfect knowledge of their inner selves; but in any case G-d doesn’t require that we be complete fools about people whose actions are questionable, and allow others to take unfair advantage of us. I find that a useful guide.

]]> By: xax http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9086/noam-chomsky-you-and-me/#comment-1097687 xax Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:41:36 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=9086#comment-1097687 It's often blurry. So no problem there. I guess for me, liberals believe in individual freedom while progressive believe in the state. I think the government has its role, but it should not be a nanny state. The lines between true liberalism and "progressivism" has been blurred deliberately to suit a "progressive" agenda. For me, I do care about the poor, but growing up in a poor city I also understand there are some who just live off the government teat and then feel entitled to more. So while progressives lobby for more money in the name of the poor and then throw it haphazardly in the street, liberals would help those who can get a job and for those who can't you'll give them money. I don't know if it's a good example, but that's just my opinion. It’s often blurry. So no problem there. I guess for me, liberals believe in individual freedom while progressive believe in the state. I think the government has its role, but it should not be a nanny state.

The lines between true liberalism and “progressivism” has been blurred deliberately to suit a “progressive” agenda. For me, I do care about the poor, but growing up in a poor city I also understand there are some who just live off the government teat and then feel entitled to more. So while progressives lobby for more money in the name of the poor and then throw it haphazardly in the street, liberals would help those who can get a job and for those who can’t you’ll give them money.

I don’t know if it’s a good example, but that’s just my opinion.

]]> By: ownaa http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9086/noam-chomsky-you-and-me/#comment-1097675 ownaa Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:36:59 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=9086#comment-1097675 I am so glad I saw this post. I used to be of chomosky's fans. I baught his books and listened to his lectures. Then doring the primaries I heard him saying some thing which kind of an Obama endorsment. Which of course to me is something like a blow to the head. So I just almost erased him totally from the list to go to, and almost threw away his books. Now I can go back to where I left of. I should have known he is too smart and clean for this BS. I am so glad I saw this post. I used to be of chomosky’s fans. I baught his books and listened to his lectures. Then doring the primaries I heard him saying some thing which kind of an Obama endorsment. Which of course to me is something like a blow to the head. So I just almost erased him totally from the list to go to, and almost threw away his books. Now I can go back to where I left of. I should have known he is too smart and clean for this BS.

]]> By: mary http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9086/noam-chomsky-you-and-me/#comment-1097513 mary Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:15:13 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=9086#comment-1097513 Noam is right! Women's struggles never came as "gifts from above" Great commentary on Obama's grassroots who are not "participants" but "meddlesome spectators".... Noam is right! Women’s struggles never came as “gifts from above” Great commentary on Obama’s grassroots who are not “participants” but “meddlesome spectators”….

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