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By Larry Johnson on October 1, 2007 at 8:30 PM in Current Affairs

The apologists for treason–you know, the guys and gals who excused the behavior of Scooter Libby in helping expose the identity of CIA officer, Valerie Plame Wilson–need wonder no longer about the true economic cost of the investigation. It turns out it is cheaper to commit treason than to get a blow job in the Oval Office. By a factor of almost 20. Here are the facts and linked references.

Patrick Fitzgerald investigation total expenses thru 31 March 2007 $2,396,283.00 .

31 March 2004 Audit $26,592.00

30 September 2004 Audit $584,899.00

31 March 2005 Audit $112,550.00

30 September 2005 Audit $178,077.00

31 March 2006 Audit $385,771.00

30 September 2006 Audit $337,556.00

31 March 2007 Audit $770,838.00

Kenneth Starr investigation total expenses: Through September 2001: $59,463,703.00

Ken Starr Expenses

Oh, and did I forget to mention that Scooter was convicted of perjury and obstructing justice while Ken Starr failed to get a conviction of anyone of note. And what about the effect of the underlying crime? Well, Scooter’s activities helped destroy an intelligence network during a time of war. Bill Clinton’s activities put a strain on his marriage but did not inflict physical harm on a soul.

As the successor to George Bush weighs possible Attorney General choices, Patrick Fitzgerald ought to be at the top of the list. The man gets results, the man is frugal, and the man can’t be bought.

And finally, be sure to order Valerie’s soon to be realized book. Three weeks and counting.

taters

Amen, Larry! Well said. And like they say at C&L, Frist.

http://robinstorm.blogspot.com Rob

Right! LOL! Fitzgerald…. No can do … never happen, even longer wild shot than the Cubs taking the World series… Man is not a Bush team player…. He is actually honest….

ybnormal

Patrick Fitzgerald – the present day ‘untouchable’, and arguably more effective than Eliot Ness.

A very good ‘05 WashPo bio said:

He registered to vote as an Independent in New York, only to discover, when he began receiving fundraising calls, that Independent was a political party. He re-registered with no affiliation, as he did later in Chicago.

What more do we want?
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

Nice post Larry. Just think how that money wasted…on witchhunts…uh….investigating the Clintons to death could’ve been spent instead?

http://www.liberaltopia.org RS Janes

Ken Starr’s squandering our money on nothing prosecutions had one result the GOP dearly wanted — it got rid of the Watergate-era Special prosecutor law, with the help of disgusted Dems.

If that law were still in effect, I think Bush/Cheney would have been impeached long ago or, at least, tied up responding to subpoenas.

GR3

I wonder if Fitzgerald would take the AG job?

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

What are the odds the Bushies would even offer him the job? Just asking.

Delia

Treason? B…b..b..but IOKIYAR!

Isn’t it?

(Or do you start to lose wars and stuff even if the nice repubs start committing treason every time they feel like it? Hmmm, a cause-and-effect relationship. How. . . how . . reality-based.
Oilwellian

The mere suggestion of Fitzgerald as Bush’s AG I’m sure made a few pucker factors go to zero. What a beautiful thought…the Elliot Ness of our time investigating the most corrupt administration in our nation’s history.

I just noticed the ad for Valerie’s book about to be released. I’m clicking over to Amazon right now to get my order in. May it live long and prosper.
Fred C. Dobbs

$59,463,703.00

Sounds like an appropriate amount for a tax bill for Richard Mellon Scaife. Maybe he can get Ted Olson and W.E. Tyrell to kick in, too.
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Pieter B

Actually, it’s a factor of almost 25, not 20. 59,463,703 ÷ 2,396,283 = 24.8

http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

OK, so I am math challenged. My bad.

Shirin

Isn’t Ken Starr chief council for Blackwater now?

If so, enough said, right?
Doran Williams

Larry, I sent your post on to some colleagues, one of whom responded by suggesting that K. Starr occupied a high ethical position vis-a-vis Clinton, because “When Ken Starr took Pres. Clinton’s deposition, before he started questioning him, he warned Clinton that he had proof that a semen stain on Monica Lewinski’s dress came from him.”

Does anyone know if that quoted material is accurate? Has it been demostrated to be inaccurate? Where can I find some record of this being the case?
MEP

I know Blow Jobs are much more entertaining than mass murder, but has anyone made note of what is taking place in Burma/Myanmar? OK, you might consider this way OT, however while we are discussing sexual acts we might as well open up the S&M vault. What do we find? It’s the Condi and Hamid show, only suitable for late night viewing. If strap ons bother you, this program is not for you. Condi joined the Chevron Board of Directors in 1991 and served in that capacity until being appointed NSC in 2001. Hamid Karzai….paid consultant for Unocal (Purchased by Chevron) LeMonde 12/13/01, CNN 11/22/01. Do a Google search on the following, Unocal/Burma, Chevron/Burma, Chevron/Myanmar etc. and start reading. If you find dots to connect, your reading comprehension is at least average.
http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

OT:
So I read that Rush is in a dust-up over some comments he made about phony soldiers.. Since i have never listened to his radio show before it’s hard to understand what topic or context he was speaking of.
Several years ago I think it was ESPN that hired Rush to do some football sports commentary on the pre game show…His knowledge of sports was horrible and he shot his mouth off about blacks and quarterbacks refering most famously to McNabb.. at which point he was quickly fired..So i’m guessing Rush again shot off his mouth about politics and caused a firestorm.. Why people listen to him is beyond me..
So, pray tell, what is a phony soldier? Is it like when we were kids and dressed up and played Army?
I used to know this guy that bought a police cruiser type car and had a police radio in it and used to follow the cops around..I guess he always wanted to be a cop,, now i think we could honestly say he was a phony cop..a wanna be.
So have anyone of you ever seen a phony soldier? You know the kind of guy that walks around the airport in uniform that relishes the applause and thanks? Or walks around town? I’m not getting it here..But wait this is Rush we are talking about..thank gawd i don’t get it…

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

Hoopster,
Rush said that soldiers who call for withdrawal are “phony soldiers.” [This from a guy who got a Vietnam deferment because of a pimple on his ass.] VoteVets.org, MediaMatters.org, Keith Olbermann last night and Jon Stewart on the Daily Show have been following it. You could visit any of those sites to learn more, or go to Rush’s website if you can stand it. [Rush claims his quote was taken out of context, and he's been editing it to prove it was edited. Kid you not.] Rep. Mark Udall [D-CO] may introduce a bill in the House to condemn Limbaugh…and I believe Senator Harry Reid said something on the Senate floor about the hypocrisy of the GOP firestorm over MoveOn’s ad versus their silence over Limbaugh’s comments.

Also see Susan’s post here

Shirin

Oh puleeeeze! Doesn’t the Senate have ANYTHING better to do than to add to Rush Limbaugh’s notoriety by officially condemning him?

And by the way, since when is it a federal issue when someone criticized someone in the military, or the military itself for god’s sake?

This is giving me a distinctly creepy feeling, and a chill is starting in the middle of my gut.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

Apparently not…it’s quid pro quo nonsense.

http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

I read susan’s post.. You have got to be kidding me!! He said if you are a soldier and are against the war you are a phony? Jez..no wonder this has turned into a firestorm..what an asshole..

Shirin

Hoopster, Rush Limbaugh is a prescription drug addicted right wing fanatic whose entire schtick is spewing hatred and shooting off his mouth and making outrageous, usually very ugly declarations about stuff he knows nothing about. I don’t know why anyone with any sense at all even pays attention to him. He is just a lot of empty noise coming from an empty container.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

Jeez, Hoopster,
Fox’s Melanie Morgan is repeating what Limbaugh said, calling soldiers like VoteVets’ founder and Iraq vet Jon Soltz “anti-American, a “fake,” a “poser.”

What is wrong with these people? They’re despicable.

Shirin

Nah, they’re desperate, that’s all.

Maybe they’re in their last throes or something.
http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

Fox news..The communications arm of the GOP..
What I have read about Jon Soltz is pretty good.. I hate that they call a Vet names and degrade them for thier service.
The GOP has no shame…

mudkitty

Ken Starr works for Blackwater?

http://robinstorm.blogspot.com Rob

Starr is outside Counsel to Blackwater and now handling this mess in Baghdad….

He is not an employeee as some spinmesters onn this site would like you to beleive……

Shirin

OK, Rob, it’s time for you to stand behind some of your nonsense. Now do tell us who here has said that Ken Starr is an employee of Blackwater? Provide direct, copied and pasted quotes, please, not your spin on what someone has said.

MEP

Yes, he repped them in the suit filed by the families of the four killed in Fallujah.

http://robinstorm.blogspot.com Rob

Hey business is business…. But these PMC’s really need to be regulated…. problem is the USG does not really want to do this….. They are the plausable deniability for the Pentagon…. and the Agency…. and….NSA and DIA….and the WH…..

Problem is out in Baghdad its hard to decern IFF… heck everyone carries a AK…. But it does look like Blackwater was ambushed this time…. We will just have to wait and see how this works out…..

Shirin

It looks like Blackwater was ambushed? Who says that besides Blackwater?

http://robinstorm.blogspot.com Rob

Shirin

Read the DSS Spot Report for christ sake…yeah yeah its all lies…. I know…..

Shirin

Oh yeah – I am certainly going to believe a report from the Americans over the testimony of Iraqis who were there.

Delia

Oh, but, Shirin, Blackwater investigated themselves on this one, and then handed the report to State. So, um, why in the world shouldn’t we believe them when they say, “Trust us”?

Shirin

You are so right, Delia! Silly me for doubting the Spot Report put together by the U.S. Imperial Authority – excuse me, embassy – based on Blackwater’s self-investigation. Of COURSE it is beyond reproach, as is the entire process.

Shirin

Oh yeah! Read the Spot Report for christ’s sake! That’ll tell you everything the Blackwater executives and Condi Rice want you to know. And it is, of course, a completely unbiased and utterly truthful report. LOOOOOL!

“The initial State Department report of last month’s killing spree involving Blackwater employees was written by a Blackwater contractor working in the U.S. Embassy’s Tactical Operations Center in Baghdad. The report was distributed under the letterhead of the Bureau of Diplomatic Security.”

LOOOOOOOOL! Who’s the spinmeister, again, Rob?

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

According to numerous reports in the US media, Iraqi investigators say eyewitness accounts and a police video show that Blackwater fired on civilians without provocation.

See here

It’s premature to say that they were ambushed, in other words, when there are conflicting accounts.

http://robinstorm.blogspot.com Rob

Again I said it appears I also said we would have to see how this works out. I am not going to convict anyone in a war zone especially in Iraq until all the facts are in. No matter how I feel about this war. If Blackwater is guilty then so be it, but I will wait until the investigations are done.

They are innocent until proved guilty not hung by the press and keyboard cowboys many who could not tell the difference between a P-38 and a regular can opener……. Like Shirin….

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

I’d like to know why one of the Blackwater teams decided to move out of the safety of the compound into a traffic jam, where’d they be sitting ducks for an ambush [assuming there was one]? If I got the story right, wouldn’t that be a really stupid thing to do?
Shirin

The point is, Rob, that it doesn’t AT ALL look like Blackwater was ambushed. The evidence so far is overwhelmingly against their claim that they were ambushed.

And by the way, even if they WERE ambushed on this occasion, there is no excuse for what they did. Furthermore, they have a very bad record overall in Iraq. The Iraqis have issued complaint after complaint about them to the Americans, and have been ignored up until now. They cannot ignore this because it is just too high profile.

http://robinstorm.blogspot.com Rob

What evdience? Yours? And I am not justifying anything Blackwater did or did not do. But boy, you best read the DSS spot report again.

“8 to 10 hostiles opened fire dress as civies and iraqi police” does not appear as an ambush eh? Grow up ….

BTW nice of you to say they what should and should not have been done from the safety of your computer…… sheesh….

Dam yeah be adevocates for your cause but be honest about it….

Shirin

Who says 8-10 “hostiles” (don’t you just LOVE the dehumanizing language invaders and occupiers use? “Hostiles”, “locals”, “friendlies” – GAWD!) opened fire? The Blackwater cowboys who have every motivation to exculpate themselves, and the Americans who want to protect them? Come on!

Oh, and by the way, when you violently invade someone else’s country, and use massive violence and destructive force to try to force your will on the people of that country, and when you use massive violence to maintain your presence there, YOU are the “hostile”, not the people who resist your presence.

Shirin

PS I just LOVE how the invaders like to call Iraqis who resist them “aggressors”!

http://robinstorm.blogspot.com Rob

Seems to me that no matter what is said to you, your just going to spin it the way you wish.

Here is my last remark to you. I have a lot of probelms with the way this administration does things and the use of PMC dating back to 93. But I also realize that there are always two sides to any story and until I know all of the facts I will not judge something like this.

As far as your concerned … Its simple, get a life….
Doran Williams

I wonder how long this could go on before the box is too small to hold a comment.
Shirin

“Seems to me that no matter what is said to you, your just going to spin it the way you wish.”

Gee, THAT’s funny! That’s kind of how you look around here, except you also make a lot of stuff up, or get it from sources that have zero credibility – like that crap about the American Muslim Association being a Hamas supporter.
Shirin

This is the kind of thing Blackwater has been getting away with in Iraq for going on five years. When something like this happens and they can’t keep it completely quiet, they are forced to do something, so they just quietly spirit the offenders out of Iraq. The offenders then often come back working for a different mercenary company:

“A Blackwater USA employee under investigation in the killing last December of an Iraqi bodyguard in an off-duty confrontation was so drunk after fleeing the shooting that another group of guards took away the loaded pistol he was fumbling with, a report to a House committee said Monday.

“The guards, employees of Triple Canopy, another private military contractor, returned the weapon to the Blackwater employee, who smelled of alcohol, and escorted him away from their guard post in the fortified Green Zone, the report said. Shortly afterward, the police detained the man, a 26-year-old firearms technician whom the report did not name, at the Blackwater camp inside the Green Zone, but determined he was too intoxicated to be interviewed.

“Within 36 hours, the report said, Blackwater fired the man for possessing a firearm while drunk and arranged with the State Department to fly him back to the United States, angering Iraqi officials who said the Christmas Eve shooting was murder.

“The acting ambassador at the United States Embassy in Baghdad suggested that Blackwater apologize for the shooting and pay the dead Iraqi man’s family $250,000, lest the Iraqi government bar Blackwater from working there [NOT because their employee committed a crime, not because he took an innocent human life, not because he robbed a family of their son, father, brother, uncle, and breadwinner, but "lest the Iraqi government bar Blackwater], the report said. Blackwater eventually paid the family $15,000, according to the report, after an embassy diplomatic security official complained that the “crazy sums” proposed by the ambassador could encourage Iraqis to try to “get killed by our guys to financially guarantee their family’s future.” ” [Oh yeah - those Eye rackians are not normal human beings like us, ya know.]

Long Tooth

Fitzgerald strikes me as someone who would think long and hard before throwing in with the gutless wonders of the democratic party. For that matter, I’m dubious a democratic administration would welcome aboard someone of his integrity. Finally, I don’t understand why Fitzgerald let Karl Rove off the hook. There’s no such thing as a hero in the cesspool that is Washington DC.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

Don’t you mean you’re dubious a Bushie administration would welcome aboard someone of his integrity?

MEP

“Hey business is business…”

I’ll try to remember that insightful comment. I’m sure Cofer Black and Joseph Schmitz use it often. Of course Cofer has a new gig working for Mitt. Gee such a small world and everyone needs a job.

http://robinstorm.blogspot.com Rob

Got to keep remembering that Cofer was the ONLY person fired because of 911…. and what happens? He went from CTC to State, then BW and now Mitt… sheesh…..

Long Tooth

“Don’t you mean you’re dubious a Bushie administration would welcome aboard someone of his integrity”?

No, Leslie, I’m aware the GOP hires only the corrupt (and sick in soul). My opinion of the democratic party is as stated: they are “gutless”.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

I think they’d be more inclined to hire Fitzgerald for AG, than the GOP. But since neither have offered him the job, and the Dems aren’t in a position to, the point is moot.

Regarding the “gutless” Dems: I believe the Dems that vote with the Bushies do so because they support them.

Shirin

Leslie, I think you are largely correct in this belief. I think, too, that most democrats when they vote with the Bush regime do so because they are for whatever it is they are voting for.

That’s unfortunate, since it is easier, I think, for someone to get a spine than it is to change an ideology.

http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

yea shirin and leslie..
But what we need is a clear majority in both in house and Senate.. Then it will be like the old days when we virtually told the GOP to ‘ bite me’. If you don’t have the votes to overturn a veto then it’s not spineless..it’s just useless..

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

Absolutely. I agree. Specifically, we need many more progressives in both houses if we want to end Bush’s wars, bring back habeas, stop the NSA spying, etc., etc.

[Plus, personally, I'd much rather be on the Dem side of the table than the reverse in general. Been a liberal/progressive since birth--maybe it's genetic.]

ybnormal

RE Ken Starr at Blackwater:

AP reports that

Members of Blackwater’s legal team have included former Whitewater prosecutor Kenneth Starr and current White House Counsel Fred Fielding.

Speaking of Blackwater, the same AP article also reports

[Central Command's Navy Adm. William ]Fallon said security contractors shouldn’t be seen as a “surrogate army” of the State Department or any other agency whose workers they protect.

“My instinct is that it’s easier and better if they were in uniform and were working for me,” Fallon told The Associated Press in Kabul, Afghanistan.

What is the disconnect that prevents State from asking DOD to provide security for State’s civilian personel? If Fallon is right, why not just call up the Blackwater contractors with military experience for another tour of military duty?

Since Blackwater acknowledges hiring experienced ex-military folks, why and how did those same folks get passed over when military called vets up for repeated tours of duty?

Seems to me that passing them over increases market demand, and hands the supply over to contractors on a silver platter, which in effect, simultaneously creates and fills the need for private contracting at the same time. Also establishes freedom from accountability on a silver platter as well.

http://robinstorm.blogspot.com Rob

I am listening to CSPAN coverage of the Blackwater hearings…. Sheesh what a bunch of stupid people we elect to office…. Westmoreland is a disgrace to the Republican party and the Democrats are about as dumb as dirt….

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

Enlighten us Rob,
what questions would you be asking?

By the way, Firedoglake is live-blogging the Waxman hearings here.

Delia

And here’s a yahoo article from the Nation just out on Waxman’s statements on Blackwater and the State Dept.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20071002/cm_thenation/15239181
http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

Speaking of Firedoglake Leslie:
Did you ever see the movie about them called ‘ Blog wars 2′ ? It was pretty cool.. i saw it on some sundance channel..got me really interested in blogging.. I’ve posted a few times there and the hoopster is always treated with respect and welcomed. That Christy Hardin Smith is really sharp and i enjoyed her live blogging of the fitz trial against libby.. ( which proves the saying about christy.. If you ever get in trouble always hire a lawyer with 3 names )

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

No, didn’t see the film. Darn. Thanks for the tip. Will have to look it up.

Good legal advice Hoopster!

mudkitty

Outside councils are hired hands…they ARE employees, as much as they would like to NOT think of themselves that way.

http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

yea mudkitty..I’m pretty sure no pro bono goes on with those cats. ( pun intended )

MEP

For those of you interested in digging a little deeper, check out Joseph Schmitz. Just looking for a job after such a proud career of public service. Rawstory has a related story up.
Long Tooth

“Regarding the “gutless” Dems: I believe the Dems that vote with the Bushies do so because they support them”.

Point well taken. But when democrats solicit money they sing a different tune, don’t they? Perhaps “treacherous” is more like it.
mudkitty

Shirin – if you are sincere, you need to learn math. You need to be able to add and subtract.

http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

mudkitty: I don’t follow your comments about math to shirin.. I looked and couldn’t find a reference or following your meaning..my bad.

Shirin

Neither could I, Hoopster, so I doubt it is your bad.

Shirin

Ummmm – Mudkitty, what the hell are you talking about?

ybnormal

How much for…..a contractor?

After listening to Waxman Committee hearing on Blackwater (still in progress), and reviewing FDL on-the-fly approximate transcription, it doesn’t appear that anyone knows what the cost would be for military to provide the services to DOState that Blackwater is hired for. The closest they got was something vague from Griffin:

Griffin: The cost for a State Department special agent to be deployed in a high threat area is $500,000.

which is not quite the same thing.

I would not be surprised if GAO or some other in Fed could estimate and find the military could do it for less, and hypothetically greater accountability. The potential for cost savings would be in the area of compensation outside of salary, where the military’s costs can be spread over a much greater number of individuals. You know, buy bulk. Also the military, internally at least, does not have a profit margin.

ybnormal

OOPS, almost forgot about Waxman’s Memorandum before the hearing under the heading “Costs to Taxpayers” on page 3 which says in part

Blackwater charges the government$.I,222 per day for the services of a private military contractor. This is equivalent to $445,000 per year, over six times more than the cost of an equivalent U.S. soldier.

So, $445000 / 6 = the equivalent U.S. soldier would cost less than $74166 per year, which is a cost of $74166 / 365 = $203 per day for the full-time soldier; versus in the thousand dollar range per day for the ‘temp’ Blackwater contractor.

I can’t tell how much if any non-salary benefits compensation is figured into this, but on the other hand, full-time soldiers could be deployed to other duties when they’re not assigned to DOState duties.

http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

Cost of diplomat in Iraq $850,000
Cost of Blackwater contractor $500,000
living in the wild west: priceless

Master-Contractor: Don’t leave home without it.
Bill Keyes

I have a comment but I don’t think any of you are going to like it.

I used to come to this site because first of all I like the topics that were presented especially written by Larry and of course sometimes by Leslie and Susan. I also liked the stimulating posts where I learned at lot about the current issues of the day being discussed here.

However recently and I won’t mention any names there has been a serious amount of off topic chat room like exchanges between posters. While the right of free speech still exists in the country, I find these exchanges to be way more destructive than constructive and not even very entertaining.

Since I don’t have the time to do chat room type quick responses I don’t feel there is much I can add to discussions on this site.

If someone doesn’t agree with a point I or anyone else has made, I welcome a challenging viewpoint not an attack on my character, my age race or anything else.

If I want to get attacked all I have to do is go to a right wing moonbat site, which I did once, and say ” I am a curious Democrat can we discuss an issue”? I received an email from the site administrator banning me from the site. So much for “free speech”.

I feel an sense that tolerance for discussing opposing views on this site has become less tolerant and exchanges are more combative than constructive.

I used to post on Huffpo but the same thing has happened there, unless your are online all the time you can’t get a word in edge wise.

I would hate to see that happen here, because this site has always seemed more of a community than a lot of others where most of the posting is just blowing off steam.

So please for the sake of the community could we have a little more civility??
http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

Hi Bill
you said:
So please for the sake of the community could we have a little more civility??

As a pretty new blogger i’m not sure if i’m following you…I haven’t seen a whole lot of flaming here..some disagreements yes, but not alot of name calling…nothing like a whitty response though to make your day..
Then you said:
However recently and I won’t mention any names there has been a serious amount of off topic chat room like exchanges between posters…

yea, but Bill, if i understand your comments..How else to build a community than some chatting amongst bloggers? I have found a rich colorful group of people contributing to today’s news and events and personal worlds also being discussed.. I think that is what a community on line is like…
So i’ll bet no one attacks you for age,race or anything else here..Just tell us what you think about politics and let’s talk..BTW.. I’m a lifelong Dem so we probably agree on alot of things..
Regards Bill

Bill Keyes

Thank HH

You seems to be one of the few here who doesn’t take himself/herself too seriously.

Perhaps I overreacted, my apologies.

mboy

amen to that, larry.
ybnormal

Larry said

As the successor to George Bush weighs possible Attorney General choices, Patrick Fitzgerald ought to be at the top of the list.

So why in spite of this, do multiple comments here say it can never happen because Bush won’t go for it?

Just curious.
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