Caroline Versus New York State

I’m all in for Andrew Cuomo. He’s the one with the integrity to represent NY and step in for Hillary who in my opinion is makeing a big mistake joining Obama as Secretary of State.

Sorry Carolyn… Not your time.

the main focus has been on Caroline Kennedy

You mean Caroline Schlossberger or however you spell it.. It’s the name she’s had for most of her life.
Let them ask Hillary to appoint someone for her seat.
The whole thing reeks really bad.First, Harry Reid, Chief thug of thugs, wanted Hillary removed from her seat. He begins his ‘remove Hillary’ project by offering her the appropriations committee job. She declines. Then he boldly and publicly comes out and endorses Caroline Schlossberg to take Hillary’s seat.
Why was Hillary stuffing back tears at the public announcement of her accepting the job for SOS?
Why didn’t Hillary hear she was to be given the SOS job until she read it in the newspapers?
Was Hillary forced to leave her seat and take the SOS job? Weren’t we warned by OBOT insiders that they would immediately try and remove Hillary from the Senate? Remember that?
Didn’t fat assed Ted ‘the murderer’ Kennedy cause some trouble for Hillary and her goals recently?

Isn’t Nancy Piglosi the puppeteer and Harry ” the dictator” Reid the water bearer for Piglosi.
‘Tell you this..get rid of these two and we will see a whole better world. These two are taking us down. Anyone listening?
And NO to Caroline Schlossberger the rich housewife. Let Hillary pick or pick Cuomo.
GO HOME TO YOUR HOUSEWIFE LIFE CAROLINE SCHLOSSBERGER! YOU HAVE NO RESUME!

Advice to Hillary-change your mind and ride it out. Stay in the senate.

‘Thing is, I think Hill was forced out.
When Piglosi and her crew can’t cheat the people of this country anymore, we may have more honest voting and government. Piglosi needs to be investigated and put in the slammer. She is the most corrupt of all and she is sly about it. She can hide her true intentions by not answering questions…she tells Barfy not to answer questions and now Caroline Schlossberger is instructed to not answer the press.

I’m for Cuomo, too. The news in today’s NYT is that Caroline refuses to release any financial disclosure information until AFTER she is named to the seat. (Or any other personal information, such as arrests, etc). Since she is publicly campaigning for the appointment, this is a pretty good indicator of just how entitled she thinks she is. Mere mortals who run for the office are subjected to a barrage of disclosure requirements.

CK is a shill, plain and simple. Whether she knows anything, including how to serve as a senator, is immaterial — A puppet is a puppet. She will serve some liberal shadow agenda.

Caroline is just following in the footsteps of the Messiah and her cousin’s husband. No experience necessary now to hold public office. No vetting necessary. Just another American idol type gig.

I will always remember when people from Arnold’s hometown in Austria were interviewed after the first American idol political election (the California governor recall). Arnold’s hometown citizens said something along the lines of – in order to be elected to any political office in their town, from dogcatcher on up, people MUST have experience and education. Unique concept, right?

Some one suggested Chelsea Clinton. I think people should continue to drop her name. For nothing else just to draw the comprison to the ex president daughter thing. From there alot of noise can be done to show how ridiculous the democratic party became.

I thought the Kennedys got out of the fertilizer business? Apparently not because BS is her (Caroline’) only resume. Just like Obamasiah’s. But at least we know she is american.

Ms. Kennedy’s biggest problem (with her resume) is that she has no experience as community organizer. A community organizer has instant qualifications to any seat in government this country can offer.

Comment by ownaa | 2008-12-23 15:21:48

Some one suggested Chelsea Clinton. I think people should continue to drop her name. For nothing else just to draw the comprison to the ex president daughter thing. From there alot of noise can be done to show how ridiculous the democratic party became.
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She is too young…She would qualify by the 2010 election, however.

I believe the minimum age requirement to becoming a U.S. Senator is 30 years old. Chelsea won’t be 30 until February 2010.

Caroline Schlossberg has never done anything for anyone other than herself, whether it be selling her mother’s personal effects at public auction, engineering her brother and sister-in-law’s barbaric and bizarre burial at sea in order to inherit as much as possible, or append her name to books others have written in a lame attempt to fool the public into thinking that she has value beyond her father’s name.

I am a democrat, a woman, and a New Yorker. Mrs. Schlossberg is an embarrassment to her uncle’s legacy and her mother’s memory. She will never get my vote.

Who cares if Chelsea is not 30 yet? No one cared the prez select is violating the constitution by not being a citizen at all.

Is this a devious way to finish off the Clintons and exile them, by moving her into the SoS spot, only to later connive a way to force her out, while, in the meantime, the inner Obumo circle further connives to get a willing puppet in CK into the vacated Senate seat? I’m sure Castro thinks the Obumo camp is brilliant. This move must have him slapping his knee with a big shit-eating grin.

SHV

You are right about the are requirement
25 Representative
30 Senator
35 President

HOWEVER:

The age requirement for Senator has been waved Three times in the past.

I’m from the Rochester Region of Upstate New York and We want Chelsea!

She stood tall during the worst of the campaign and was more than able to handle the “Nasty Stuff” that got thrown at her.

Caroline supported Obama and Lost in New York and Mass.

Chelsea supported Hillary and Won New York, Super Tuesday, a majority of the Primaries, The “Popular Vote” and—-

Anyway, she is a winner with name recognition and can help David Patterson get elected for the First Time as Gov. of New York in 2010.

She has her Mother’s Common Sense, Drive, Toughness and her Father’s Political touch.

There is much that can be said about Chelsea”s Qualifications that Kennedy lacks.

Aside from the age thing, there is nothing to recommend Caroline over Chelsea.

Chelsea in 2008, 2010 and 2012!

GET BEHIND IT!

Hillary should appoint her own replacement. Her daughter would be a smart choice and strengthen the rudder so badly needed by the Democratic Party to get back on course away for the bizarro nuts like Reid and Pelosi….which Obumo would hate.

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We are totally on the same page. Hillary, change your mind. You don’t need the party establishment in the senate. You now have your own power base. Get the courage you need from the movie “Mommy Dearest”, when Faye Dunaway stands up to the Pepsi Board of Directors who want to force her out. After saying something that would not get past NQ’s moderator, she said “This ain’t my first rodeo, boys”.

I’m with you Thunder:

How old was Joe Biden when he went to the Senate?

I think he was Twenty Nine.

Chelsea will be Twenty Nine in February and it is with in David Patterson’s power to appoint a Twenmty Nine year old.

Chelsea will be Thirty when she has to stand for election to “continue to fill the seat” in 2010.

Chelsea will be Thirty Two when the term actually “expires” in 2012 and she has to run again for a full six year Senate term.

Age is NOT AN ISSUE!

It has been waved three times in the past.

Chelsea’s “Youth” is just one of her great assets.

Chelsea represents a “New Generation” of Women to set the agenda for the New Century.

What is being decided RIGHT NOW will effect Chelsea’s Generation for the next sixty years.

It’s Chelsea’s Generation that will have to see that the “bailouts” are made good and the Twenty trillion Debt is paid off.

That Generation not only needs representation in the Senate— IT DEMANDS IT!

CHELSEA FOR SENATOR!

GET BEHIND IT!

Mere mortals don’t have to conform to requirements of full disclosure.

Sickening.

Who knows maybe there’s a DUI or two somewhere in her past and that’s what she’s trying to cover up.

It’s not like her family’s immune to drinking problems. I saw on TV the other night that Rose Kennedy claimed to be a born again Catholic because she changed her boozing and prescription pill popping ways one night when she cried to God for help.

Of course someone would have to ask Chelsea if she even wants to enter politics herself. So far she is having a very successful career and if there is one thing she learned growing up is that politicians don’t make much money for a long time.

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The way she campaigned during the primary, I will vote for her in a heartbeat. She is the best of both her parents, policy + people, though she may need to figure out a good strategy for the media.

Great post!!

Chelsea Clinton for Senator!!

…It’s obvious that she’s going to run for office.

“She has her Mother’s Common Sense, Drive, Toughness and her Father’s Political touch.”

I agree with that statement 100%. AND, I think that the Clintons are the true American first family, not the Kennedys.

Is this the dimwits way of saying that senators just take up space and are overpaid?
If anyone can do the job with no experience or desire to learn then why is the senate there?
oh I forgot you do not have to any experience or a desire to learn to be president now.
The people of this country are so screwed.

WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

I’m sorry but who the hell didn’t see this coming in the first place? Those of us who were against Hillary taking the SOS position weren’t against it because she couldn’t do the job, it was because of the shenanigans taking place now.

Don’t say you weren’t warned if gets bounced out down the road. Hillary had her own power in the Senate. The people of New York voted her there. There’s no reason for her to give it up.

I hope Hillary reconsiders and gives O the “cheek scratch”. ‘d like to see her pull a Ted Kennedy and run against O in 2012.

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“Robert Kennedy Jr. took issue with his former friend having the audacity to besmirch the character of his sister.”

Please. Attorney general Cuomo did not besmirch his wife’s character — her behavior was indicative of her character and he just made her behavior public. Now if she thought she had a good reason for having an affair (and it can happen — not judging here), then she should not be ashamed of the affair becoming public. It is what it is. If she is ashamed, then I just hope it was worth it.

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The Kennedy’s beieve that they have a right to exhibit whatever behavior they want to regardless of how other people feel.

In this case Andrew Cuomo was a good husband and father but unfortunately he married a Kennedy.

Wouldn’t that be just too sweet for words. I’m not a Hillary fan, but I would have been OK with her as POTUS. I yen for the day of an Obumo fall.

I suggested it, sort of jokingly, but I believe she would be better than Caroline Kennedy. Now that I know RFK, Jr. (:-( is pushing his cousin, I don’t want either of them in the seat for sure!
How the mighty fall. I was actually impressed with RFKJ until right now.

So Kerry Kennedy is following in the footsteps of Joe and the Boys!

interested: LOL!

I still don’t see it coming. I have more confidence in Hillary than that. Obama didn’t appoint her to SOS out of the goodness of his heart, he NEEDS her and he knows it. He’s just a pretty face, check out the Yahoo! News headlines. He’s over in Hawaii parading around topless!

There is no good reason for having an (extra) affair. If you have a problem in your marriage, you address that problem. If it can’t be fixed, you have an affair after you get a divorce. Simple. People have affairs who don’t have enough guts to face their problems or their own shortcomings.

OOps, extra-marital affair!

In all honesty if Patterson can take the heat..the best bet would be to find someone qualified that isn’t related to Kennedy, Clinton, or Cuomo. If it is only between a Cuomo or a Kennedy there is going to be more bad blood. Nothing will be done for New Yorkers. Caroline Kennedy, Andy Cuomo can duke it out in the primary of 2010.

S. Markom:

” Of course someone would have to ask Chelsea”

I agree!

So how do WE at No Quarter/Pumas go about it?

How about a Delegation” to approach Hillary AND Chelsea??

After all, you have stayed in the “Trenches” for them through out to entire election.

Hillary won New York in the Primaries so another “Delegation” To David Patterson is also in order.

Chelsea will disclose her “Finances” and her Mother and Father already have.

So THAT problem is solved for David.

David, who is filling a “Vacancy himself, Will have to run for election for the first time as Gov. of New York in 2010.

He will be on the ticket in 2010 with whomever he appoints to fill Hilary’s term even though it doesn’t expire until 2012

Chelsea on the Ticket in 2010 will be an asset to David, who has to run himself for the first time.

The Clinton’s are proven money raisers and “Stump Draws”.

Chelsea can bring out the “BIG GUNS” to help David Campaign in 2010—Bill and Hill!

Not to be “cruel” but Caroline can’t.

It’s not “pay to play” it’s smart politics and David is Smart.

Chelsea, like her Mother will have “Star power” for younger voters and Women.

Chelsea will make a Great Jr. Senator for Chuck Shummer to mentor, just as he did Hillary.

A winning Combo in the Senate For New York.

There is a narrow window for this appointment.

There are only three people you have to convince.
David Patterson, Chelsea and Hillary.

You now have your “talking points”

Form the “Delegations” and go talk to David, Chelsea and Hillary.

When you do– Tell each of them the Larry and Bill over at No Quarter said “Hey!”

Lets Get Behind This and “Gitter Done”

William Donlon:
How old was Joe Biden when he went to the Senate?

I think he was Twenty Nine.

Well, you “think” wrong. Biden was born on Nov 20, 1942. He was first elected to the Senate on Nov 7, 1972, at the age of 29 years, 11 months and 19 days old. He assumed the office of Senator on Jan 3, 1973, at the age of 30 years, 1 month and 15 days.
As long as a person will have reached the required age BY THE TIME HE/SHE TAKES THE OATH OF OFFICE, it doesn’t matter how old the person is when elected. (With the Presidency, as long as the person turns 35 NO LATER THAN Jan 20*, he/she is eligible to begin running for the office several years earlier.) As to this folderol about the “age requirement” being waived, it cannot be applied to Chelsea Clinton.
The history is as follows:
Prior to 1935 (you do see that date, correct?), only 3 men (I could have said people since no woman held the title of Senator until the late 20th Century, but I digress) younger than the Constitutional requirement were sworn in as Senators: Henry Clay (age 29 yrs, 7 mos, 8 days); Armistead Mason (age 28 yrs, 5 mos); and, John Eaton (age 28 yrs, 4 mos, 30 days). Clay took office in 1806; Mason, in 1816; Eaton, in 1818. The first problem is that birth records in those days were not entirely accurate–a number of politicians, as well as common folk, never really knew when they were born; in most cases, the problem was simply a matter of days or weeks but for some, especially those who were born out of wedlock or days after a “shotgun wedding”, months could be subtracted or added to the *official* date of birth to avoid or lessen scandal. Also, childbirth and early infancy was a struggle for many families and children’s births weren’t always formalized for 1-2 years, by which time it was incredibly easy to forget exactly when the child was born (or even how old he really was). Some early Census records carried question marks beside people’s ages because the person wasn’t exactly sure of his/her own age.
Another factor to be considered here is that all 3 men lived in an age when Senators were not all popularly elected (but instead, selected by their State Legislatures).
Now, to 1935. Rush Holt, who in 1934 ran for the US Senate seat then held by Henry Hatfield, was only 29 years old. During his campaign, he was aware that he was officially too young to take office on Jan 3, 1935 so he swore that he would not take the oath of office UNTIL he officially turned 30 until June of 1935. Hatfield filed a challenge to this with the Senate and demanded that he be declared the winner since he received the most votes of the other “eligible” candidates. The Senate rejected this and determined the age requirement applies at the time of oath-taking ONLY. (It also rejected Hatfield’s claim to being declared the winner by default.) Holt, who’d been elected at the age of 29 yrs, 4 mos, 19 days, took the oath of office on June 21, 1935, at the age of 30 years, 3 days.
By the time that Chelsea could do the same thing, she would have practically served no time at all in the Senate before the seat would be up in 2010. It’s REALLY unlikely that the Senate will waive the eligibility requirement, especially after Holt’s precedent. (And, if there’s one thing about “precedent”, the one that most closely matches both the spirit and the letter of the law is the one that will be followed thereafter–until the law is absolutely changed.)

*An exception is typically made when January 20th falls on a Sunday and the formal Inauguration Ceremony is then held on January 21st. This has very rarely happened throughout history (even before the 20th Amendment) but the theory is that the Speaker of the House acts as the temporary President; the law isn’t completely clear on when the outgoing President’s duties officially end–it’s always been presumed that they end the day before the new President takes the oath (i.e., Jan 19th). There’s only been ONE time since 1933 (when the 20th Amendment was ratified) that January 20th has fallen on a Sunday following a Presidential election–1985 (after Reagan had been re-elected); the next time we can expect that to happen in 2013 (if Obama should be re-elected, we’ll have dodged the Constitutional question again; if he’s defeated, we’ll get a new civics lesson).

For some reason I have this funny feeling that Hillary will no longer be a political person before long.

The wheels on the bus go bump bump bump

I thought NY had a couple very well qualified Congresswomen who were being considered?

I thought NY had a couple very well qualified Congresswomen who were being considered? Reps. in House. . .

Jozefal:

You are quite right!

Thank you for clarifying my Position.

The Age limit for Senator has been waved three times in the past — for Men.

Henry Clay 1806, 29years, 7 months, 9 days.
Armistead Mason 1816, 28 years 5 months, 17 days.
John Eaton 1818, 28 years, 4 months, 30 days.

These were in fact the ages of the three men, which they never denied.

We are now to deny to a Woman what has three times been granted to men??

I think not!

All three men sought their position, which was by appointment, not popular election, with the full knowledge that they did not meet the age requirement set forth in the First Article of The Constituion.

It was waved for all three men and the appointments made.

We are asking no more and no less for Chelsea Clinton.

As in the privious three cases, this will be by appointment until 2010.

When Chelsea is required to run for the seat in 2010 she will be Thirty years of age as required.

When the term expires in 2012 and she is again required to run, she will be Thirty Two.

I am aware of the change to the Popular election of Senators and that the requirement has not been waved since.

But, This is an Appointment! The precedent to wave on Appointment exists and David Patterson would be within his Constitutional Rights To wave it.

The 1935 Holt V Hatfield dispute was not an “Appointment” to the Senate, but an election.

Holt’s delay to take the oath did not violate the requirement and was O.K. with the “Majority” that elected him, so the Senate sided with Holt.

Again: David Patterson is appointing and will be in keeping with the precedent of the three previous “Appointments” that waved the requirement and will NOT violate the Holt precedent.

A “Democratic” Senate will not upset a sitting Democratic Governor on such a mute point.

Chelsea will turn Thirty eleven months before being sworn in after winning in 2010.

That means the seat will be held by a person who was not Thirty for just thirteen months.

We New Yorkers are tough, we can take it.

Again, Pumas, You have new talking points, form your “Delegations” and go meet with David, Chelsea and Hilary.

Lets Get Behind Chelsea.

Other than highly orchestrated public appearances for book events, fashion museums, family myth making (and I loved JFK but he wasn’t a God), etc., we know nothing about Caroline Schlossberg. I don’t even know whether or not she’s still married. If she is, then people need to know about their financial involvements for conflict of interest issues, etc. Do they have separation of finances? Here we go again with a candidate arrogantly dismissing the serfs and unwashed masses. I want to see her answer spontaneous questions from the floor of a town hall meeting.

There are a number of qualified candidates – men and women – many of whom are experienced Congress people, a popular county executive, a city mayor, and of course the NYS Attorney General.

I hearing more and more NY pols voicing opposition to Caroline Kennedy and the when she is going about this.

Can the Kennedy’s raise campaign money? Better than anyone. But they can’t make people vote for them.

Well, I have the exact opposite feeling.

Hillary and Bill Clinton are the Democratic Party, Obama is a fad, a trend, and when it’s finally proven that he is in fact not eligible to actually get sworn in as President, Hillary will be right there, picking up all the pieces.

I want to see her answer spontaneous questions from the floor of a town hall meeting.

- So do I. Chelsea did it, I don’t see why CK-not that one can’t.

But alas, it’s all a part of the Obama playbook. He declined numerous town hall meetings with McCain, Obama and Caroline only stick to scripted answers.

Yes, agreed.

But let’s not forget that it was ROBERT KENNEDY who ENDORSED HILLARY against his sister Caroline’s wishes. Robert F Kennedy wholeheartedly endorsed Hillary Clinton and courageously and persistently gave speeches to SUPPORT HILLARY in the Campaign.

Please leave Robert Kennedy alone! I only wish HE were running for the seat, rather than his spoiled brat sister Caroline….

Caroline Kennedy is an….

EMPTY DRESS! This spoiled-brat-Housewife decided to become a politico? Why? To fulfil whose agenda? Harry Reid’s and Piglosi’s?

Robert Kennedy (who supporterd Hillary storngly) should run instead! This man is decent and appreciates Hillary’s sacrifices. His sister’s a different animal. Andrew would be far more effective.

thinker

Yes. Chelsea’s qualified NOW! Even if she wasn’t born in B.C Canada or Hawaii like Oblabla!

Caroline’s resume I believe is MORE substantive than Obamama’s?