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Senator Byrd’s Iran Amendments + Open Thread

By Leslie on October 3, 2007 at 2:06 PM in Current Affairs

Senator Byrd [D-WV] has introduced two amendments to the 2008 Defense Appropriations bill.

From Iran Nuclear Watch:

The amendments would prohibit funding provided by the bill to be used for military operations or activities against any other country without explicit Congressional authorization. The text of both amendments is identical and I’m unsure why two identical amendments were submitted. The amendments do provide exceptions for certain activities. Though the amendments employ a non-country-specific approach similar to Senator Byrd’s S. Res. 39, the enactment of either amendment could prevent a military confrontation with Iran.

Iran Nuclear Watch’s Cara Ong provides the text of Byrd’s amendments here.

  • ybnormal

    You know, I generally like Byrd, but on this one he needs another cup of coffee, because WH is way ahead of him.

    All Cheney has to do is scroll down to the exception in (b)-(1)
    “Military operations or activities to directly repel an attack against the territory or the Armed Forces of the United States.”
    and according to ( c )
    “Not later than 48 hours after determining…blah blah…submit…blah blah…justification for the determination.”
    …and claim the justification already exists because Fox News says based on Cheney’s information that Iran has been attacking U.S. Armed Forces in Iraq.

    How tough could that be for the Dickster?

    After the coffee (no de-caff allowed) kicks in, re-focus on de-funding.

  • http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

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    Thanks Leslie…
    My sister flew in from Seattle this morning..
    Had a stop over in Minn. She took a pic on her camera phone of the famous Senator Craig’s bathroom door for me.. i love my sis..
    BTW Susan…she lives outside of the city in LaConner,
    might be in your neck of the woods..
    So here is a little true story for you all to have a giggle about..Everybody needs to laugh at least once on a weds. afternoon.
    How I almost had dinner with Pres. Bush
    ********************************************
    So several years ago I got an invitation from my Congressman to go to the president’s Dinner in DC.
    So I said yes and he sent me an official email from his office..
    although it would be alittle wierd for the GOP to invite me to such a prestigious event i thought what the heck..Once in a lifetime opportunity.so go for it..And then I started thinking..Man, I might get 30 sec’s to get a picture taken with him or briefly speak to Bush.. So knowing time was short i drafted copy after copy of the fewest words possible to convey what i thought.. ( without getting dragged out by my ass by the secret service ) I wanted to be polite but firm in my couple of seconds.
    It went something like: Mr. President, All of America was behind you after 9-11 but you have really made a mistake by your war policies and hurt our country. I was jacked up and was really going to do this thing.. I’m telling everyone what is about to happen!
    So the RSVP came in my mail box and i began filling it out.. It was 5 pages long for information..jeez..ok
    whatever.. I came to the last page and it instructed me to mail a check for 25,000!!! let me repeat that..25,000.. for Dinner!! payable to the GOP.
    I feel off my chair..My big chance to met Bush..My Wife is laughing going.. ‘idiot, they want your friggin money!!’…
    yes..the hoopster is an idiot..

    • ybnormal

      The fast-track way to add new meaning to “no such thing as a free lunch” in one easy lesson.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    Oh no Hoopster!?
    No, you’re not an idiot. You were Bushwhacked by pros. #@$#@^%&!!!

  • mudkitty

    Charles Dickens covered this stuff years ago.

  • ybnormal

    The Hill quotes Reid as saying

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) would not rule out holding the supplemental until there is a change of course in Iraq.

    “There is nothing dealing with Iraq that is off the table,” Reid said. He also would not say whether Democrats would complete the supplemental this year, saying the president needs to send to Congress the full details of his $190 billion request, and said Democrats “would take a look at anything he sends.”

    Makes me wonder if one way to de-fund is to argue forever over details and ammendments.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    Crooks & Liars: Ann Coulterghoul, appearing on the Today Show, said Giuliani “seems sort of crazy enough that he’d nuke Iran and that warms our hearts.”

    Why is this abomination given TV face time? Oh, and, Coultergeist doesn’t think women should vote! But it’s OK for her to vote twice, illegally. Again, why does the Today Show, MSNBC, et al, have her on?

    • ybnormal

      Folks just love to hate someone.

      Reminds me of the Howard Stern movie. There’s a scene where NBC looks at polls and discovers just as many listeners hated him as loved him; and for the same reason; to see what he was going to say next.

      • ybnormal

        BTW Leslie, the above comment was not to accuse you of hate, it was an answer to “Why is this abomination given TV face time?”

        • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

          Ybnormal,
          Got that. But I also hate Coulterghoul. ;)

          • http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

            She is kind of the female Rush Limbaugh..
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  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    An important vote to end the Iraq war was held today and defeated…the Feingold-Reid bill got only 28 senators voting for it. Obama missed this one again. [In fairness, I heard that Obama missed the Kyl-Lieberman vote because it was called early, while he was campaigning out-of-state. But I forget where I saw that?]

    From Taylor Marsh, the nays included: Webb, because he reportedly wants a “clean” appropriations bill.

  • Kian Kiani

    Voice of America and Fiasco at Persian Service.
    There is no need to attack Iran IF the Bush administration pays attention:
    Millions of dollars are spent in Persian Service of Voice of America but the end result is nothing but scandalous way of cockamamie management and programming.
    It is hard to believe but the Persian Service which supposed to be an organization to convey the policy of the U.S. has become a free platform for hard-line terrorist group of communists who attack the United Sates!
    I have the documents in writings to prove that these were done with the full knowledge of the management.
    I used to work there and as I said before, I have all the documents in writings.
    The manager is a woman called Sheila Gandji who can not read and write Persian. Therefore, in order to hide this shortcoming from the higher management, she has hired an eighty something man called Kambiz Mahmoudi who has a lengthy background as crook and in charlatanism.
    You expect a doctor to be in charge of a medical clinic. You expect an engineer to be in charge of an engineering department. You expect a plumber to fix your plumbing.
    So why do you expect a person who has no education in Iran and doesn’t know the language of that country should be in charge of publicity, literature or politic for such position?
    Sheila Gandji falsely pretended and presented herself as educated with background in journalism. These are absolute fabrications. Nobody in Iranian communities inside of the country or outside has any knowledge about her being a journalist, then and now.
    Her partner, Kambiz Mahmoudi is a hateful and despicable person whose activities as crook are widely known through out Iran. Can’t the U.S. government appoint somebody without such shameful background and baggage?
    Don’t think that this is a personal vendetta.
    Let me quote you a view from another media:
    “The Iran Steering group concluded that much of the anti-American perspective that is broadcast is the result of decisions made by station managers in Washington D.C. and Prague. Sheila Gandji, the manager of Persian service has faced sharp criticism, particularly for her decision to stop VOA shortwave radio program in July, 2006 in order to focus on television broadcasts, which are more susceptible to censorship, since the government regularly confiscates satellites dishes in order to prevent the infiltration of foreign broadcasts.”
    And this is not the only one. The mismanagement at the Persian Service of Voice of America is the subject of hundreds of web sites and articles in newspapers indicative of disgusts and ridicules in the world about VOA.
    The bizarre situation at the Persian Service of Voice of America caused even the Republican Senator Coburn to write a long letter to President Bush about the fiasco there.
    It is only in America where the government pays to be insulted. Really, why Voice of America is doing this harm to our nation?

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  • ybnormal

    Open thread item
    So let me see if I got this. Bush proclaims 10/1/07 to be Child Health Day, 2007
    with the noble words

    On this day it is also appropriate to recognize the important role the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) has played in helping poor children stay healthy . To preserve that role and ensure that poor children can get the coverage they need, SCHIP should be reauthorized.

    Then he immediately proceeds to celebrate the occasion by…..vetoing SCHIP!

    All right, that’s it, he’s doin’ it on purpose. He’s fuckin’ with us; just to be mean for it’s own reward! Does he really enjoy this?

    Then again, maybe he’s providing cover for a bunch of Republicans in Congress to proclaim outrage.

    Or maybe both?

    • Leslie

      No, I’ll go with your first theory: He’s fuckin with us, and he doesn’t think we’ll notice.

      P.S. I deleted your duplicate comments Ybnormal.

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  • Danube of Thought

    Senator Byrd’s limitation is unconstitutional. Once the funds are appropriated, the commander-in-chief can use them as he chooses. If he launches a strike against, say, Iran, the congress has no remedy other than impeachment. It lacks the courage, the votes, and above all the time to avail itself of that remedy.

  • graywolf

    FOX News Poll:

    ” Nearly 1 in 5 Democrats Say World Will Be Better Off if U.S. Loses War”

    But don’t question their patriotism

    • zappodave

      Well lets see, if by “lose” you mean ending an occupation of Iraq, then that question has the support of 75% of the country.

      But we wouldn’t expect much “fairness” from conservative FOX, so called, news.

      “Would the World would be better off if the Iraq invasion ended”

      Sorry graywolf, most in this country and throughout the world agree with the above. It appears your ilk is now of the “fringe”. (get used to it)

    • ybnormal

      Hey wolfie, how’s it goin’ pooch?

      Note that this was a poll commisioned exclusively by Fox News, a known ‘unbalanced’ advocate of Bush policy, which means it might also be viewed as being commisioned for the purpose of using the results as ammunition.

      Note also, Fox’s link to the “poll results” only links to questions 41 – 44; 41 is the ‘losing the war’ question and 42 – 44 have something to do with prayer.

      Would it be patriotic to trust Fox, when Fox doesn’t even trust it’s own with the complete results of it’s polling?

      • Shirin

        It is obvious on its face that the world, including the United States itself, would be better off if the U.S. loses in Iraq. I have been saying that since before the beginning. Had the U.S. succeeded in Iraq, they would have very quickly moved on to Iran, Syria, and the rest of the countries on the neocons’ “list”, and done so to the increasing detriment of everyone in the world.

        This has nothing to do with “patriotism” or lack thereof. It has to do with an awareness of what this kind of unbridled aggression combined with unequaled power would do not only to the world, but also domestically to America and Americans.

        In any case, as I have said here before, I hold the view firmly that being a member of the human race, and a citizen of the planet trumps nationalistic fervor (aka “patriotism”) every step of the way. That is particularly true in this day and age in which all of our fates throughout the world are inextricably linked.

  • Thinker

    YBN you done it again, you have pointed out how they will justify the attack on Iran. It is now all about winning the “hearts and minds of the people”.

    For that they will use a similar strategy, get the majority to be for what the people want then, at the last minute, do the opposite. The difference between children’s health and war with Iran is children’s health is ongoing, whereas the other is final. Iran will have implications that will make the World shudder and President Bush and his cronies will spawn universal hatred as well meaning as they feel they are. I believe Iran will be attacked by accident and then “what the hell”.

    The stakes have been raised which offers a lot more possibilities concering potential outcomes. I feel even the sane are preparing for insanity and nothing will turn this around. What is will be. Short of interplanetary interference (or the war of the Worlds) there is nothing on offer, as things stand, that could divert the inevitable.

    • ybnormal

      Well, I occasionally have moments. thx

      I think it’s worth considering what the meaning is of winning the hearts and minds of the people. There’s a definite pattern in the Bush/Cheney WH showing that one of their highest priorities, if not #1, is a claim of higher authority.

      I don’t think they view this authority as something gained by concensus. Wide concensus is similar to cooperation, which is not the same as authority. Authority has more meaning to an authoritarian if it’s gained by prevailing over significant objection; because it’s a way of emphasizing the strength of the authority.

      In spite of polls showing high disapproval of Bush’s handling of the war, Congress is reluctant to force change; or at least reluctant to force it by direct confrontation – i.e. impeachment, withdrawing authorization, etc. This seems to be because Congress fears character assasination through association with “not supporting the troops”, which they fear might result in voters at re-election time, irrationally deferring to presidential authority.

      The next batter up at the plate is funding/de-funding, you know, a switch hitter. In spite of polls showing high approval for reducing funding, there’s also low approval for eliminating it, even though de-funding is arguably more effective.

      In light of all this, I seriously wonder about the possibility of endless funding negotiations, defaulting to a virtual result of non-funding, in turn resulting in forcing Bush’s hand.

      I think the future is less than clear in this area. Attacking Iran, either directly or by Israeli proxy, might create enough urgent fear for Bush to claim even more authority. On the other hand, the variables for failure include not only a strong reaction of public and congressional disapproval, but also the possibilities of outright insurrection, possibly even within some elements of the military itself.

      Odds anyone?

  • Kathleen

    Yes Senator Byrd. Wonder if this is similar to the Webb amendment.

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    Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear “bunker-busters”, according to several Israeli military sources.

    The attack would be the first with nuclear weapons since 1945, when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Israeli weapons would each have a force equivalent to one-fifteenth of the Hiroshima bomb.

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